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Physical metals, on the other hand, DO NOT have built-in middlemen like bitcoin
Fuck yes they do

No, they do not, and you just make yourself look like a lying scammer every time you post nonsense like this.  If I have a gold or silver coin in my hand and want to buy my neighbor's lawnmower, the transaction is completed and done involving only two parties.  If I want to buy my neighbor's lawnmower using bitcoin, I have to ask permission to a centralized miner if he will allow my transaction to take place at all or if he will blacklist my non-fungible token, then pay him an extortion fee to do the transaction.  There are more than two parties involved in the bitcoin transaction because bitcoin has built-in middlemen.

It doesn't matter how fucking stupid you are, or how much bitcoin propaganda and cultist koolaid you have drank from people like Andreas Antonoplous, you cannot even fool a 10 year old with your lies and claim there are only two parties involved in that bitcoin transaction.  There's technically not just three people, but even more than three in the bitcoin transaction because it requires nodes behaving in a manner conducive to your wants and such as well.  So the lower bound of people involved in a bitcoin transaction is three, but the upper bound is much higher, aka bitcoin has a metric fuck ton of counterparty risk and middlemen while metals don't.
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January 12, 2019, 05:02:15 PM

And what about the spread of PM's.... you buy some gold/silver today and you sell it tomorrow to someone else losing like 20%. And that is in ideal circumstances. WTF?!

I like PM's, they did fill some niche in the recent past, but I don't see them in the future at all or maybe just as a way smaller niche.
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January 12, 2019, 05:08:37 PM

^Whatever spread you convert fiat dollars to metals with has absolutely zero to do with what I just typed.  Why would you have fiat dollars in the first place?  You're trying to pretend it's somehow a requirement that everyone on earth must willingly subjugate themselves to the debt based, Jewish fiat Ponzi scam.  If you did not, there would be no conversion fee in the first place...because you would already be using metals.  If you did fall for the Jewish fiat scam, then yes, you will probably need to convert over with a one time fee.
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Do not insist more, do not understand that BTCitcoin is not a currency, BTCitcoin is an asset.  Wink
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Do not insist more, do not understand that BTCitcoin is not a currency, BTCitcoin is an asset.  Wink

It doesn't have the attributes to qualify as money.  It's a currency.  Asset typically refers to things like resources, property/land, a cow, a car, etc.  Bitcoin is not a resource, and it's not a house or land or anything similar.  It does not exist in the real world so it does not fit the classification of asset.  It's just a currency and nothing more.  Why are you trying to confuse people with bullshit?
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Physical metals, on the other hand, DO NOT have built-in middlemen like bitcoin
Fuck yes they do

No, they do not, and you just make yourself look like a lying scammer every time you post nonsense like this.  If I have a gold or silver coin in my hand and want to buy my neighbor's lawnmower, the transaction is completed and done involving only two parties.  If I want to buy my neighbor's lawnmower using bitcoin, I have to ask permission to a centralized miner if he will allow my transaction to take place at all or if he will blacklist my non-fungible token, then pay him an extortion fee to do the transaction.  There are more than two parties involved in the bitcoin transaction because bitcoin has built-in middlemen.

It doesn't matter how fucking stupid you are, or how much bitcoin propaganda and cultist koolaid you have drank from people like Andreas Antonoplous, you cannot even fool a 10 year old with your lies and claim there are only two parties involved in that bitcoin transaction.  There's technically not just three people, but even more than three in the bitcoin transaction because it requires nodes behaving in a manner conducive to your wants and such as well.  So the lower bound of people involved in a bitcoin transaction is three, but the upper bound is much higher, aka bitcoin has a metric fuck ton of counterparty risk and middlemen while metals don't.

if I have a printed code.... with the exact amount of BTC on it
then I could transact just as easy as you with your coin in your hand
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Physical metals, on the other hand, DO NOT have built-in middlemen like bitcoin
Fuck yes they do

No, they do not, and you just make yourself look like a lying scammer every time you post nonsense like this.  If I have a gold or silver coin in my hand and want to buy my neighbor's lawnmower, the transaction is completed and done involving only two parties.  If I want to buy my neighbor's lawnmower using bitcoin, I have to ask permission to a centralized miner if he will allow my transaction to take place at all or if he will blacklist my non-fungible token, then pay him an extortion fee to do the transaction.  There are more than two parties involved in the bitcoin transaction because bitcoin has built-in middlemen.

It doesn't matter how fucking stupid you are, or how much bitcoin propaganda and cultist koolaid you have drank from people like Andreas Antonoplous, you cannot even fool a 10 year old with your lies and claim there are only two parties involved in that bitcoin transaction.  There's technically not just three people, but even more than three in the bitcoin transaction because it requires nodes behaving in a manner conducive to your wants and such as well.  So the lower bound of people involved in a bitcoin transaction is three, but the upper bound is much higher, aka bitcoin has a metric fuck ton of counterparty risk and middlemen while metals don't.

if I have a printed code.... with the exact amount of BTC on it
then I could transact just as easy as you with your coin in your hand
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Well, it was a nice try, higher than normal 80 IQ Micgoosen's posts, but sadly an off-chain transaction does not count because the other party has no way to verify that only he has the private key and will not be double spent, so no real settlement has actually taken place.
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January 12, 2019, 05:25:12 PM

^
its higher as 80,  less then 167

and with my FIAT euro's, dollars I can also pay and receive immediately (BUT WHAT ARE THEY WORTH Roll Eyes )


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January 12, 2019, 05:25:45 PM
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Physical metals, on the other hand, DO NOT have built-in middlemen like bitcoin
Fuck yes they do

No, they do not, and you just make yourself look like a lying scammer every time you post nonsense like this.  If I have a gold or silver coin in my hand and want to buy my neighbor's lawnmower, the transaction is completed and done involving only two parties.  If I want to buy my neighbor's lawnmower using bitcoin, I have to ask permission to a centralized miner if he will allow my transaction to take place at all or if he will blacklist my non-fungible token, then pay him an extortion fee to do the transaction.  There are more than two parties involved in the bitcoin transaction because bitcoin has built-in middlemen.

I hope your next door neighbor:

1) Likes you enough to even want to transact with you
2) Wants your gold or silver
3) Has proper change for you when you buy 2 eggs from him for a gold coin, or you're fucked
4) Has a warehouse full of Amazon goods (that you need) in his backyard, because the "next door neighbor transaction" scenario is the only fucking example that you hang the hat of your entire argument upon. Your argument falls apart completely when talking about transactions outside of your own "neighborhood", like the next city or state over, or across the world.
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January 12, 2019, 05:30:06 PM

@r0ach

If you had read what I posted in the trolls thread you would already know I absolutely do not care about all those Jewish references. You insist on blaming Jews for everything you think about. It is you who have the problem/obsession. I don't know if it is racism, religion or what.... as I said I don't fucking care.

If you want to refer to the current economic/banking system, that I do know how it works but please stop mixing subjects that have nothing to do. And don't even try to explain me how they do because, again, I don't fucking care if there is any relationship to any specific culture/religion/race/or whatever the Jewish are. No.Fucking.Care.Ok?

And yes, as long as current FIAT system do exist (and I see no reason in the short/middle term future to cease to exist) conversion will be needed for many things. It is you who thinks is living in an utopian world that does not currently exist not have enough prospects of becoming a reality in any reasonably near future.
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January 12, 2019, 05:30:32 PM

^^
he's always walking with coins



think its very HANDY, what he gets back after transaction are some good old dollars??
maybe physical bronze, aluminium, iron ?
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I can think of at least one strong reason why satoshi would like to sow doubt about his existence.

So in your example of a possible scenario he (Satoshi) would come out and pretend to be a total dick to not be outed properly as a genius?

Or perhaps satoshi is a total dick. I mean, why not?

As I recall, the initial outing was not uttered by CSW.
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January 12, 2019, 05:31:59 PM
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And what about the spread of PM's.... you buy some gold/silver today and you sell it tomorrow to someone else losing like 20%. And that is in ideal circumstances. WTF?!

I like PM's, they did fill some niche in the recent past, but I don't see them in the future at all or maybe just as a way smaller niche.
Silver your only real choice is to sell private, ebay or what ever your local website for buy/sell stuff.  A lot of hassle.
Dealer is not an option depending on the tax in the area but you need like a 25% price increase to come out in front.

Gold, most dealers you walk in will pay you 98% of spot price, however recently some dealers have tried to pay only "scrap" price if the coin/bar has not the piece of paper with identical number one the coin/bar with it.
Metals nearing the use-by date. Dumped most, stuck with the Silver. Oh well may come in handy one day (as a doorstop).
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Physical metals, on the other hand, DO NOT have built-in middlemen like bitcoin
Fuck yes they do

No, they do not, and you just make yourself look like a lying scammer every time you post nonsense like this.  If I have a gold or silver coin in my hand and want to buy my neighbor's lawnmower, the transaction is completed and done involving only two parties.  If I want to buy my neighbor's lawnmower using bitcoin, I have to ask permission to a centralized miner if he will allow my transaction to take place at all or if he will blacklist my non-fungible token, then pay him an extortion fee to do the transaction.  There are more than two parties involved in the bitcoin transaction because bitcoin has built-in middlemen.

I hope your next door neighbor

1) Likes you enough to even want to transact with you
2) Wants your gold or silver
3) Has proper change for you when you buy 2 eggs for a gold coin, or you're fucked
4) Has a warehouse full of Amazon goods (that you need) in his backyard, because the " next door neighbor transaction" scenario is the only fucking example that you hang the hat of your entire argument upon

Nice attempt at derailment, but your argument did nothing to address the fact that there's only two parties in a peer to peer physical metals transaction while bitcoin has 3 or more due to having built-in, rent seeking middlemen (transaction validators).  Your lists of 'ifs' and 'buts' are completely unrelated, extraneous, irrelevant to the topic.
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I can think of at least one strong reason why satoshi would like to sow doubt about his existence.

So in your example of a possible scenario he (Satoshi) would come out and pretend to be a total dick to not be outed properly as a genius?

Or perhaps satoshi is a total dick. I mean, why not?

As I recall, the initial outing was not uttered by CSW.
A dick would dump coins, I haven't seen that happen.
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Silver your only real choice is to sell private...Dealer is not an option depending on the tax in the area

The US does not have the 20% silver VAT tax like the United Cuckdom and other Euro cuck countries.  In the US, the law states that a dollar is required to be 371 grains of silver and the coinage act of 1792 states the punishment for debasing or manipulating the currency is death.  You can extrapolate from these facts that things like loans originating from fractional reserve, debt based fiat does not involve silver or gold anywhere in the process, so the debt is entirely odious with no liability for anyone to pay it and necessary to be wiped out.
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January 12, 2019, 05:46:25 PM

I can think of at least one strong reason why satoshi would like to sow doubt about his existence.

So in your example of a possible scenario he (Satoshi) would come out and pretend to be a total dick to not be outed properly as a genius?

Or perhaps satoshi is a total dick. I mean, why not?

As I recall, the initial outing was not uttered by CSW.

If by satoshi you mean the individual that was profusely posting here for a really long time... It is very improbable for him to be a "total dick" no matter how much effort he put into hiding it.

Also there's almost zero probability for CSW to not being a "total dick" no matter how much effort he is putting in looking as one.

Almost negligible possibility they are the same individual.
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^^
shut up over that dumb silver please
there is to much silver on the globe, it is word shit, if it wasn't that hard it would be a good solution for ass wipe papers
but even for that it has no use, only for eating with
in spoons, forks, knifes etc
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+1 (this merit thing is starting to get annoying for WO leechers)

send him yours Smiley

especially you with that pacman avatar

why isn't that on a HAT yet ??

 It would probably be too small in the patch plus he can't part with his avatar.




OK Homer, I capitulate. If you somehow manage a themed hat I will wear it with pride.



Tempted to buy some, but I told myself for the first time to be disciplined and stick to a limit order 10% below ATL.
Perhaps the sign of the bottom reached, is actually myself. Let's see, happy either way.

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20 BTC donation in a twitch livestream  Shocked Shocked Grin

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