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January 12, 2019, 08:38:37 PM

According to coinfairvalue, Bitcoin should be at $7415 right now.
https://www.coinfairvalue.com/



I was going to give you a merit for providing this source, yet when i reviewed the other coins assessed by the source, I see that a very large majority of the other coins listed therein are currently greatly undervalued based on their "utility" criteria. 

Accordingly, even though there is some interesting described values contained therein, gotta take the whole matter with a considerable grain of salt because my overall consideration is that if you give a lot of weight to sound money, then the utility of bitcoin should become immensely distinguishable from almost all other coins on that they list on that site.

Is Monero's value the one that "bothers" you the most ?
I heard about the issues with this one.
There's a topic on reddit about it :
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/9m88px/according_to_httpscoinfairvaluecom_monero_is/

But yeah, there is an "uncertainty" % for each coin and for Monero it's about 80%. They recently changed that value for some of the coins actually.
These are the criterias they use to give what they call a "fair value".
https://www.coinfairvalue.com/reference/

So yeah, a grain of salt is definitely necessary here.
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January 12, 2019, 08:47:29 PM

So please tell us what is your probability that CSW is Satoshi.  

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https://www.gate.io/article/16740
https://twitter.com/AnselLindner/status/1084163451432435712
theory on who attacked etc
whoever it was seems to have returned some of the money
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January 12, 2019, 08:54:38 PM

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@BTCMILIONAIRE ??
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January 12, 2019, 08:57:37 PM

According to coinfairvalue, Bitcoin should be at $7415 right now.
https://www.coinfairvalue.com/



I was going to give you a merit for providing this source, yet when i reviewed the other coins assessed by the source, I see that a very large majority of the other coins listed therein are currently greatly undervalued based on their "utility" criteria. 

Accordingly, even though there is some interesting described values contained therein, gotta take the whole matter with a considerable grain of salt because my overall consideration is that if you give a lot of weight to sound money, then the utility of bitcoin should become immensely distinguishable from almost all other coins on that they list on that site.

Is Monero's value the one that "bothers" you the most ?
I heard about the issues with this one.
There's a topic on reddit about it :
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/9m88px/according_to_httpscoinfairvaluecom_monero_is/

But yeah, there is an "uncertainty" % for each coin and for Monero it's about 80%. They recently changed that value for some of the coins actually.
These are the criterias they use to give what they call a "fair value".
https://www.coinfairvalue.com/reference/

So yeah, a grain of salt is definitely necessary here.

I did notice the over valuation given to Monero, but I also noticed that a lot of shitcoins were described as undervalued.  In other words, I was not just going by the Monero assessment.
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January 12, 2019, 08:58:08 PM

Too funny. Trumps wants to appoint Ivanka as head of the World Bank

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/12/ivanka-trump-world-bank-donald-trump-report
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January 12, 2019, 09:08:27 PM
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Too funny. Trumps wants to appoint Ivanka as head of the World Bank

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/12/ivanka-trump-world-bank-donald-trump-report

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January 12, 2019, 09:15:02 PM

Too funny. Trumps wants to appoint Ivanka as head of the World Bank

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/12/ivanka-trump-world-bank-donald-trump-report

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Maybe if you could put a gag in her mouth so you wouldn't have to hear her.

And a bag on the head so you wouldn't have to see her face. Then maybe.
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January 12, 2019, 09:16:35 PM

Too funny. Trumps wants to appoint Ivanka as head of the World Bank

I think after he gets out of jail Donald is going to elope with her to Novaya Zemlya where they open an American diner serving Russian air force pilots and have as many kids as possible before he dies.

Putin will craft a special law allowing them to marry each other as long as they stay above the Arctic Circle.
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+1 (this merit thing is starting to get annoying for WO leechers)

send him yours Smiley

especially you with that pacman avatar

why isn't that on a HAT yet ??

 It would probably be too small in the patch plus he can't part with his avatar.




OK Homer, I capitulate. If you somehow manage a themed hat I will wear it with pride.



Tempted to buy some, but I told myself for the first time to be disciplined and stick to a limit order 10% below ATL.
Perhaps the sign of the bottom reached, is actually myself. Let's see, happy either way.

 Pac man proved to be a tough caP, man!



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You sir are an artist, very creatively done. It is almost a shame the avatar is so small, love the trail covering the hat.
Thanks! And have my last merits please.


donated ONE for bitebits as well Smiley

Thanks Smiley

 Thanks for the compliment but all the art that will ever appear on the hat is already in the hat; I just have to change the colour of a few pixels to make it appear.



 I am my own worst critic.  I would like to offer an alternative to the Pac caP; I think the trails show up better on this one.



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January 12, 2019, 09:32:09 PM


 I am my own worst critic.  I would like to offer an alternative to the Pac caP; I think the trails show up better on this one.



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I’m a gamer, so seeing this almost gave me hat envy lol  Cheesy

Great work as always xhomerx10
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January 12, 2019, 09:35:09 PM

Any chance this could explain the recent drop ?
A few days ago a lawyer spread the rumor that the VanEck and SolidX ETF would have to be accepted by default if the shutdown was still effective by Feb. 28 th as it can't be pushed back any further.
But another lawyer (Jake Chervinsky, a Washington-based securities lawyer) said the exact opposite right after.

https://twitter.com/jchervinsky/status/1081798902737702912

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don't give a fuck about ETFs, Bakkt and shit. they're the ones begging to be let into this bitcoin business, and i'd let them squirm for eternity if i was the one deciding to let them in. the truth is, it's the institutions that are going to get a boost on crypto's back, not the other way around. the floodgates have been opened, the wooden horse is already within the walls of Troy, the virus has spread. bitcoin doesn't need them, they're the ones who need it simply to stay relevant.
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January 12, 2019, 10:08:33 PM

Too funny. Trumps wants to appoint Ivanka as head of the World Bank

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/12/ivanka-trump-world-bank-donald-trump-report

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Thats some acceptable fuck material no matter who she is.
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January 12, 2019, 10:20:45 PM

My question is can you or anyone else give me their best argument as to why the bottom is in or not.

From my perspective, your question is inappropriate useless.

Bitcoin is a new emerging asset class, in the initial throes of price discovery. To attempt to time this market is madness. Price goes up; price goes down - you can't explain that. All we really know is:
1) whether or not the world knows it or not, it needs a permissionless uncensorable form of money free from the whims of central planners; and
2) a vanishingly small percentage of the world has yet awaken to postulate 1).

From these two, we can conclude that the long term trend is up, and will remain so until such time that the world at large is onboard.

Ignore the noise. Buy today all you can conceivably afford to lose. Hodl on.

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Bear waxes bullish..  Set defcon3.   Reluctantly issues +1 WOsMerit..

Quite being so speciest. I've always been bullish. Publicly, even.

Thanks for the merit. Smiley

My condition is much more specific..and by many considered much more serious.


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I can think of at least one strong reason why satoshi would like to sow doubt about his existence.

So in your example of a possible scenario he (Satoshi) would come out and pretend to be a total dick to not be outed properly as a genius?

Or perhaps satoshi is a total dick. I mean, why not?

As I recall, the initial outing was not uttered by CSW.

Yes he did, he told various people 'in confidence' and left clues lying around in the hope they would be picked up.

https://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/bizarre-saga-craig-wright-latest-inventor-bitcoin

A particularity dickish thing to do.

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In your opinion, what are the odds that CSW is Satoshi?

I would be interested in you stating in clear terms what probability you consider this to be true?  I appreciate that certain things may be unknowable with present knowledge, but that is why we assign probabilities. 

So please tell us what is your probability that CSW is Satoshi.   

I have a vague curiosity as well. Personally, I have never had any interaction with Craig so all of my data is either second or third hand speculation. Be that as it may, what I am able to intuit tell's me that he is narcissistic to the point of arrogance. That he thrives on the attention that the uncertainty of he's identity creates and seems to have no problem at all dealing with what some could call shady personalities.
These things and other "facts" lead me to believe with 99.9% confidence that he is not Satoshi.

Logically the reasons behind hes unwillingness to disclose whether or not he controls the key to the genesis block make no sense too me.

Lets look at these rationally.

Pros
1) Revealing control of the genesis key basically tells the world it was never about money. Coins could and should have been dumped many times over if it had been.
2) Even controlling such a big stake of coins that there was a true belief in decentralization. A hands off approach or at least a behind the scenes one over the project direction has been encouraged.
3) The incredible social network effect that would happen to Bitcoin knowing that the creator was still around and interested in development.
4) Banishing doubt over dishonesty or fraudulent claims.
5) ?

Cons
1) Opsec becomes increasingly difficult.
2) The continuation or creation of a cult of personality.
3) Becoming(more of) a known fraud and liar.
4) ?


This is just a short list off the top of my head..I am sure it can be made much longer with some creativity.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/4-billion-lawsuit-against-craig-wright-moves-forward-as-judge-declines-dismissal-request

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/68/kleiman-v-wright/

Interesting how the last dump occurred about this time no?



I will be following this case with interest as I am sure many are. What are your thoughts jb?
 
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https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/1084117803744092162

Hal Finney:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/finney/
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Have we already broken the 100 Hats resistance? I think we have
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January 12, 2019, 10:54:44 PM

Too funny. Trumps wants to appoint Ivanka as head of the World Bank

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/12/ivanka-trump-world-bank-donald-trump-report

She can be appointed head of my wank bank



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Maybe if you could put a gag in her mouth so you wouldn't have to hear her.

And a bag on the head so you wouldn't have to see her face. Then maybe.

I would like to volunteer as a a gagging specialist.
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