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[rdbase]

Bitcoin down and gold $1488.  A sign from the gods.

What gods? The jews who control the gold market?

Revenge for the Nazis for stealing their gold and claiming as their own during WWII maybe?
They made a killing off of it in the 2000s.
No wonder Germany is not affected by this reccession.
Even Chinas Yen is hurting right now.

[JayJuanGee]

Golly

I guess these alts really can go to zero.

Which one(s)? 

We have a lot of zombie coins, that's for sure.

Scammer Vitalik wants to scale ETH on the bCash chain temporary until ETH 2.0 arrives.

If this doesn't ring any alams bells towards the bag holders greater fools...

ETH 2.0?

Do you have a link to such a suggestion to put ETH on bcash.. I thought that was just a joke or FUD rather than real considerations.

Would not put anything past those various dweebs, and it may be good for some of them to band together in their efforts to pool resources, and brains against the foundational superiority of king-daddy bitcoin.

[HairyMaclairy]

It was interesting to learn than Schiff's dad, Irwin, died in prison 3 years ago as part of his protest/boycott on federal income tax.

Fascinating. I had no idea they were related.

Peter Schiff published a moving memorial speech about his Dad Irwin.

https://schiffgold.com/commentaries/death-of-a-patriot/

Sorry I am going to call this out. This will be a highly unpopular post.

Dying chained to a hospital bed because you refuse to pay federal taxes is not the act of a patriot.

It is an act of greed, foolishness and stubbornness.  

If you have not read the evidence (I gather you have not), you may wish to retract your claim.

I have read the Code. I have read the legislative register. In contrast to what the IRS claims, there is no law nor regulation which subjects the regular income of US persons to an assessment of income tax.

Of course, the IRS claims differently. As was once famously said (Voltaire?) It is dangerous to be correct when your government is incorrect. So I have stopped tilting at that particular windmill, and pay according the illegal assessment as per the various 1040 forms. And reel in disgust each time.

Dude. 16th Amendment, followed by the Revenue Act of 1913?

I googled that in less than 10 seconds.

Edit:  here is the text of the 16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

[rdbase]

Golly

I guess these alts really can go to zero.

Which one(s)?  

We have a lot of zombie coins, that's for sure.

Scammer Vitalik wants to scale ETH on the bCash chain temporary until ETH 2.0 arrives.

If this doesn't ring any alams bells towards the bag holders greater fools...

ETH 2.0?

Saw this a while ago and just laughed!

Ethereum development is just too slow.
Have moved on to another coin which has been going full tilt and even transitioning to the ethereum blockchain so to make it even more accessible to those who dont like the current chain which it is on.
Ethereum will be dead in the next two years. Vitalik is using old world thinking in this crypto age.

[STT]

Like the political horseshoe of far left and far right extremes in politics, to me the hyper inflationary and the debt default leading to deflation seems very similar in wiping out the common people.    It doesnt exactly matter when the simple take is they cannot repay that amount of debt.  The potential interest rates payable within the average term of 4 years is enough to require the entire budget purely on debt servicing.   I agree the average person hasnt got the wealth to tax but things can certainly get very unpleasant.

Their only option is for the govt to raid billionaires at places like Apple, Google, and Amazon because they accumulated all the money, but it will never happen because they're connected and have their money offshore anyway.  

This isnt going to happen or it shouldnt because it would be very foolish.    Apple is a non fab manufacturer, there isnt a giant amount of physical assets to seize.  Not really, not in comparison to the market cap they command.   The wealth all these companies have is brand and Intellectual property, this is very hard to seize and they can and will just move overseas.

[HairyMaclairy]

It was interesting to learn than Schiff's dad, Irwin, died in prison 3 years ago as part of his protest/boycott on federal income tax.

Fascinating. I had no idea they were related.

Peter Schiff published a moving memorial speech about his Dad Irwin.

https://schiffgold.com/commentaries/death-of-a-patriot/

Sorry I am going to call this out. This will be a highly unpopular post.

Dying chained to a hospital bed because you refuse to pay federal taxes is not the act of a patriot.

It is an act of greed, foolishness and stubbornness.  

Here is some great educational reading: https://www.paynoincometax.com/federalmafia.htm

Given he died in prison, maybe not such a good idea to follow his advice. 

Would you say the same of tank man at Tiennaman square?
Read Irwin s books, it's all documented truth  https://www.paynoincometax.com/federalmafia.htm

I’ll make you a deal.  Find one original great concept / idea / principle in that book and quote it with a page reference from the pdf.   If it is not drivel, I will read it.  But I sincerely doubt there is anything but self serving drivel and right wing conspiracy theories in that book.

[600watt]

wtf those dumps?

who is trying to lose money here on purpose?

in addition they get weaker and weaker. if price manages to get a break out instead of a fake out it will be epic.


disclaimer: I have panic sold 8% of my stash end of june. with all those up and downs i got lost when to buy back or if at all or not. i thought we are going down to sub $8k and cannot really believe in new yearly highs. but there is some real bullishness and it makes me wonder.

tldr: as always, no clue other than hodl and enjoy the show.

[JayJuanGee]

Golly

I guess these alts really can go to zero.

Which one(s)?  

We have a lot of zombie coins, that's for sure.

One seems to be BCH.

There is waxing and waning in levels of enthusiasm, but can we really call anything in the top 100 or so to be zombie coins, even if zombie status is their ultimate destination?  

A top 100 coin has $43 million of market cap value.  A top 14 coin has more than $1billion... Those are hardly zombie status, yet, right?

There are more than a couple thousand coins listed on coin market cap, but there are other coins that are not listed on there, too.

Golly

I guess these alts really can go to zero.

Which one(s)?  

We have a lot of zombie coins, that's for sure.

we live in times of ZIRP & NIRP, so I guess these shitcoins might as well go sub zero, too.  

If they actually go to zero, then that's gotta be it, no?  I understand sub-zero, but really we have to have some kind of limits, don't we?   (I am talking about the royal we here because surely I am not sure if there is any other we that exists besides the weeeeee weeee).

[cAPSLOCK]

Aight.  Here we are knocking at the top of the channel for the THIRD time in 2 days...  What do they say about third times?

[JayJuanGee]

wtf those dumps?

who is trying to lose money here on purpose?

in addition they get weaker and weaker. if price manages to get a break out instead of a fake out it will be epic.


disclaimer: I have panic sold 8% of my stash end of june. with all those up and downs i got lost when to buy back or if at all or not. i thought we are going down to sub $8k and cannot really believe in new yearly highs. but there is some real bullishness and it makes me wonder.

tldr: as always, no clue other than hodl and enjoy the show.

I agree that we seem to have a real battle currently.

I also agree that bears seem to be running out of coins... So, I am not sure what is going to happen.

Regarding your selling 8%, geez.  I thought that you were a bit more than a HODLer than that, but at least it is only 8%.  I surely would have bought a decent amount of those back by now, but that is just me... I don't like to play around with such large portions of my stash at any particular price range.

[cAPSLOCK]

And the daily.  It's that stinky volume that is really the bete noire.

[El duderino_]

Been busy this evening but good to see These price movements when I check now and Then....

Btw BTC short explained “Ferrell” style....no one knows what it means, but its provocative it gets the people going

[fillippone]

Been busy this evening but good to see These price movements when I check now and Then....

Btw BTC short explained “Ferrell” style....no one knows what it means, but its provocative it gets the people going

[El duderino_]

^
I need to early HODLsleep today

Good night observing brothers !

[El duderino_]

^
@12k

Sweeeeeeeet

[Biodom]

Dude. 16th Amendment, followed by the Revenue Act of 1913?

I googled that in less than 10 seconds.

Edit:  here is the text of the 16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

I agree with you on income, but that law/amendment does not say anything about capital gains.

[makrospex]

^
@12k

Sweeeeeeeet

Checking by at Bitfinex Bitstamp:



EDIT: Because tired. Good night

[jojo69]

fucks sake hairy

stop acting like a statist douche, you're embarrassing us in front of the moderates

[jbreher]

It was interesting to learn than Schiff's dad, Irwin, died in prison 3 years ago as part of his protest/boycott on federal income tax.

Fascinating. I had no idea they were related.

Peter Schiff published a moving memorial speech about his Dad Irwin.

https://schiffgold.com/commentaries/death-of-a-patriot/

Sorry I am going to call this out. This will be a highly unpopular post.

Dying chained to a hospital bed because you refuse to pay federal taxes is not the act of a patriot.

It is an act of greed, foolishness and stubbornness.  

If you have not read the evidence (I gather you have not), you may wish to retract your claim.

I have read the Code. I have read the legislative register. In contrast to what the IRS claims, there is no law nor regulation which subjects the regular income of US persons to an assessment of income tax.

Of course, the IRS claims differently. As was once famously said (Voltaire?) It is dangerous to be correct when your government is incorrect. So I have stopped tilting at that particular windmill, and pay according the illegal assessment as per the various 1040 forms. And reel in disgust each time.

Dude. 16th Amendment, followed by the Revenue Act of 1913?

I googled that in less than 10 seconds.

Edit:  here is the text of the 16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Bravo. You have learned how type a query into the convenient text box provided by Da Gooble. Too bad you are unable to understand the text to which it leads you.

First: That is NOT legislation. Any existing power is not exercised until legislation is enacted.

More importantly: The 16th does not say what you seem to think it says.

Firstly, the Supremes have clarified that the 16th only clarifies pre-existing power:

"... aside from the obvious error of the proposition, intrinsically considered, it manifestly disregards the fact that, by the previous ruling, it was settled that the provisions of the Sixteenth Amendment conferred no new power of taxation, but simply prohibited the previous complete and plenary power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged, and being placed in the category of direct taxation subject to apportionment by a consideration of the sources from which the income was derived -- that is, by testing the tax not by what it was, a tax on income, but by a mistaken theory deduced from the origin or source of the income taxed."
- USSC Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U.S. 103 (1916)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/240/103/

... and that the 16th does not make taxable anything that was not previously taxable:

"As pointed out in recent decisions, it does not extend the taxing power to new or excepted subjects, but merely removes all occasion which otherwise might exist for an apportionment among the states of taxes laid on income, whether it be derived from one source or another."
- USSC Peck & Co v. Lowe, 247 U.S. 165 (1918)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/247/165/

and...

"Does the Sixteenth Amendment authorize and support this tax and the attendant diminution -- that is to say, does it bring within the taxing powers subjects theretofore excepted? The court below answered in the negative, and counsel for the government say: "It is not, in view of recent decisions, contended that this amendment rendered anything taxable as income that was not so taxable before." "
- USSC Evans v. Gore, 253 U.S. 245 (1920)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/253/245/

...for starters.

Let alone the fact that the 16th Amendment was fraudulently declared as enacted by Secretary of State Philander Knox, without the acquiescence of the requisite 2/3 of all states ratifying.

But even IF the 16th were legally ratified, and even IF the 16th covered regular income of the average person, there would still need to be enacting legislation for the income tax to be applicable to the income of the average person.

Three strikes - you're OUT!

[Ibian]

Got a call from my bank today. They had a few questions about my finances and expected money movements in the coming year. I barely deal with them so it was over quick, but they know I have bitcoin and I know they don't like it. Probably just a matter of time until they boot me, but that's expected.

I'm gonna buy my plane tickets with bitcoins the next few times. Lots of places that do it now, gotta see if I can actually live a normal life without a bank.