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Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 21410162 times)
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October 12, 2019, 04:48:57 AM

I am not asserting that you are NOT telling the truth, but it does seem a bit strange for any of us BTC HODLers to NOT attribute a decent amount of significance to the surprising dynamics of the April 1 to June 27 period.
I was trading in that period, but only long positions. Unfortunately I don't have trace of the details. As I said earlier, my shorts only began with the latest bear market in 2018. Originally it was meant as a hedge.


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You know I had been thinking that bitcoin's doubling in late 2015 was quite amazing, and it took place from about October 15 to November 5, but the rise was so goddamned gradual until the decisive break above $320 that brought BTC's prices up to $504 from November 1 to November 4.
Before 2016 I wasn't trading at all.


I know that you are probably starting to suspect that I am either stalking you or becoming a pest, but the relevant period for this particular line of "interrogations" is April 1, 2019 to June 27, 2019.. our most recent exponential BTC price run up.. and clearly you had been in the BTC shorting practice already, after having had gotten a decent amount of experience under your belt during our somewhat deep and painful bearish period of 2018.  

And, also this 2019 BTC price run up would have been a BIG one to actually challenge any ongoing BTC shorting strategy.  That is if you would have kept your BTC shorting strategy as ongoing and it seems like you are saying that you weren't, even though there would not have seemed to have been any reason (except in retrospect) to actually NOT expect a significant and meaningful correction of 30% or more.. which is quite common in BTClandia.. but did not really seem to happen during this 2019 BTC price run up.

I was just using those older dates of late 2015 as a relative comparison of the magnanimity of this particular 3.5x BTC price rise (with hardly any significant price corrections of 10% or more within that decently extended 3 month period).
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October 12, 2019, 04:50:35 AM

You forgot the bit where the big blockers try to fool newbies into thinking Bcash lol and BSV are Bitcoin.

Quite a different proposition than trying to fool newbies into thinking BCH or BSV are BTC. But nobody is doing that. That would be dishonest.

How about addressing the substance of my post which you have selectively cut off?

Your entire value proposition is based on fraud.  

One of these logos is a BSV logo.  One of these logos is a Bitcoin logo.  I can’t tell the difference so I can’t see how a newbie could.  This is plainly fraudulent passing off.  






It is more than dishonest. It is fraudulent.
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October 12, 2019, 04:59:07 AM

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How about addressing the rest of my post which you have selectively cut off?

By now, we all ready have a good idea how the jbreher rolls, and that is to divert, distract and redirect.  He's not even attempting to engage in meaningful discussions. He just wants to spout out his various bcash / BIGBLOCKENER talking points on a regular and ongoing basis... out of pie in the sky speculations that one or more of those fraud coins are going to somehow meaningfully challenge bitcoin.. perhaps he is betting on the fluke, to the extent that he really believes his own bullshit.. and mostly he seems to smart to actually believe that crap... which only leaves a reasonable conclusion that he is merely trolling.... and he denies shilling, but we have no real way of verifying that beyond the contradictory nature of his ongoing persistence in posting crapology that no reasonably smart person (or even a dumb person) should actually believe.
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October 12, 2019, 04:59:40 AM

Trezor (security by open-source) or Ledger (security by obscurity)?

which do you prefer?
 

trezor.. security via open source. had a trezor since 2016

i have several trezor model ones (one will do u2f), a trezor t and a ledger. the trezor seems easier and more intuitive than the ledger. and it seems i always have issues with the ledger, minor ones but annoying.

Yep had a Trezor for a long time also and wouldn't trust anything else myself. Have a Nano S and a Ledger Blue (which I regret) The Ledger stuff is decent but Trezor is definitely ahead in my books, both in UX and just all round support/solidness.

The guys behind Trezor are OG Bitcoiners and have proved their place in the ecosystem IMO
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October 12, 2019, 05:01:17 AM

I want him to answer why almost identical logos are not misleading. I am almost looking forward to his dancing, weaving, obfuscating bullshit.  
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October 12, 2019, 05:02:31 AM

Trezor (security by open-source) or Ledger (security by obscurity)?

which do you prefer?
 

trezor.. security via open source. had a trezor since 2016

i have several trezor model ones (one will do u2f), a trezor t and a ledger. the trezor seems easier and more intuitive than the ledger. and it seems i always have issues with the ledger, minor ones but annoying.

Yep had a Trezor for a long time also and wouldn't trust anything else myself. Have a Nano S and a Ledger Blue (which I regret) The Ledger stuff is decent but Trezor is definitely ahead in my books, both in UX and just all round support/solidness.

The guys behind Trezor are OG Bitcoiners and have proved their place in the ecosystem IMO

Open source does seem to be the better route, too, in terms of security and allowing all kinds of technically smart folks to be able to review and criticize their product.
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October 12, 2019, 05:02:38 AM

You ignored my entire defense

What defense?

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If you want to counter something, counter the reasoning below:

I'd be happy to, if you had something to respond to other than 'a couple of the people who believe this is the route forward have engaged in behavior I consider unsavory'. But you don't. There is nothing to respond to.

Again: Defend your statement. Or retract it. Any other path forward for you would be dishonorable.

You forgot the bit where the big blockers try to fool newbies into thinking Bcash lol and BSV are Bitcoin.

Your entire value proposition is based on fraud.  

One of these logos is a BSV logo.  One of these logos is a Bitcoin logo.  I can’t tell the difference so I can’t see how a newbie could.  This is plainly fraudulent passing off.  



Thanks Hairy. He insists on making it an argument about whether or not a piece of software has the ability to act immorally on its own, which is of course, never what the argument was about.

breher: just because you ignore a defense doesn't mean its not a defense. I'm tired of playing these word games with you. Look at the scoreboard: your favorite altcoins are dying slow but measurable deaths because they were built on the fraudulent premise that they are the real bitcoin. Had they not tried so hard to blatantly piggyback off bitcoin's good name, perhaps they would both be doing better than they currently are. They would almost certainly be better respected by the general community.
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October 12, 2019, 05:11:18 AM

I want him to answer why almost identical logos are not misleading. I am almost looking forward to his dancing, weaving, obfuscating bullshit.  

good luck trying to get a grip on the slimy / wiggly fish.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



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October 12, 2019, 05:18:28 AM
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IMHO, you fellas should ease up on jbreher.
He is NOT R. Ver or craig W, clearly.  
An engineer and/or scientist, no doubt.

I root for the proper btc, but the jury is still open on whether LN would behave when we stress it with 100s of millions if not billions of users.
BTW, personally, i like second layer solutions like LN more, but I am perfectly willing to listen to the opposite opinion.
Y'all espouse 'political correctness' here, which i never cared much about.

Besides, anyone who did not split their btc yet carries expected future bch and bsv coins within.
I don't think that for btc to succeed, forks have to zero-out.
Mostly, I just not follow them as closely as btc, but time comes, I would like to collect the proceeds if there would be any.

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October 12, 2019, 05:31:50 AM
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IMHO, you fellas should ease up on jbreher.
He is NOT R. Ver or craig W, clearly.  
An engineer and/or scientist, no doubt.

I root for the proper btc, but the jury is still open on whether LN would behave when we stress it with 100s of millions if not billions of users.
BTW, personally, i like second layer solutions like LN more, but I am perfectly willing to listen to the opposite opinion.

Jbear and the Bcash crowd would be ok if they sought competitive differentiation.  That's what competitors do.  They say 'our product is different and better'.  They have logos / brands which are instantly visibly distinguishable.  They make their product stand on its own merits. Jbear doesn't do that.  He pretends that his coin is 'Satoshi's Vision'.  He pretends that it much closer to the 'original Bitcoin' than 'Segwit coin'.  He says things like:

One of the things that makes BSV good is that it is being incrementally returned to the original Bitcoin protocol.

Jbear is not seeking competitive differentiation.  He is seeking to pass his shitcoin off as the original Bitcoin.  And I have no tolerance for shills, frauds or charlatans.
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October 12, 2019, 05:42:46 AM

IMHO, you fellas should ease up on jbreher.
He is NOT R. Ver or craig W, clearly.  
An engineer and/or scientist, no doubt.

I root for the proper btc, but the jury is still open on whether LN would behave when we stress it with 100s of millions if not billions of users.
BTW, personally, i like second layer solutions like LN more, but I am perfectly willing to listen to the opposite opinion.

Jbear and the Bcash crowd would be ok if they sought competitive differentiation.  That's what competitors do.  They say 'our product is different and better'.  They have logos / brands which are instantly visibly distinguishable.  They make their product stand on its own merits. Jbear doesn't do that.  He pretends that his coin is 'Satoshi's Vision'.  He pretends that it much closer to the 'original Bitcoin' than 'Segwit coin'.  He says things like:

One of the things that makes BSV good is that it is being incrementally returned to the original Bitcoin protocol.

Jbear is not seeking competitive differentiation.  He is seeking to pass his shitcoin off as the original Bitcoin.  And I have no tolerance for shills, frauds or charlatans.

Yep.. no deserving of any break(s) for the reasons stated by HairyMC. Those bcasher, BIGblocker, bitcoin naysaying nutjobs are not even attempting to actually provide a better product, as they pretextually assert, so they don't deserve any scintilla of a benefit of the doubt for supposed good intentions that they do not possess.
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October 12, 2019, 05:47:34 AM

It's bullshit people claim JayJuanGee passes a Turing test when people just assume the code is a mentally insane human.  To pass a Turing test people would have to think it's a normal human.

It's bullshit that you actually believe that anyone gives any shits what you believe, except maybe perhaps for the sake of some humor in witnessing that actual dumbasses like you actually exist in this world (at least on the interwebs).

Fuck you, JayJuanGee.  You're not fooling anyone.  To pass a Turing test people are required to belive you're a normal human, not a defective one.
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Fucking Erdogan man...lame
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October 12, 2019, 06:12:05 AM

Just saw the greatest Bitcoin commercial of all time last night and can say Joker is a masterpiece.

Well, it's a movie created by a Jew designed specifically for incels, so of course you would love it.  You see, Jews are the original prototype incel - the untermensch.  As talked about by people such as Ted Kaczynski - the first person to diagnose liberalism as a mental disorder based on inferiority complex - Jews, lesbians, incels, 60 IQ dark-skinned people incapable of building or functioning in civilizations - they're all not able to particpate in society so they all want to just burn it down out of spite.

The idea of 'being different' is sold by propagandists as being 'cool', but when you look at a zebra, do any of them look different?  No.  The only ones that look different got eaten by lions from being dysfunctional.  So as you can see, The Joker is a far leftist, incel uprising movie attempting to pretend the untermensch reversing natural selection and killing off all the functional people instead of themselves being the ones who natural selection should have eliminated is somehow a good thing.  If a neurotic, rodent-like Jew or butch lesbian kills off all the non-neurotic and normal looking people, they believe they will then be normal by default since all comparisons are...dead.
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[A reaction to china coin launch in a few days/weeks?]

US is about to experience yet another "sputnik" moment.
In the 60ies it was a smart response: NASA, lunar missions, science education in schools.
What now? I am not confident at all that a response would be intelligent this time around.
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October 12, 2019, 06:22:38 AM

Interesting...SEC files emergency relief against Telegram token (TON).
https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2019-212
Someone already invested 1.7 bil.

What is there to even argue about?  It says in the letter "you can't bypass securities law just by claiming something is a 'cryptocurrency'" LOL.  It's like someone selling green, moldly hotdogs on the side of the road and saying "Nah, I don't need to follow any health inspections.  These are crypto-hotdogs".
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October 12, 2019, 06:23:34 AM

You ignored my entire defense

What defense?

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If you want to counter something, counter the reasoning below:

I'd be happy to, if you had something to respond to other than 'a couple of the people who believe this is the route forward have engaged in behavior I consider unsavory'. But you don't. There is nothing to respond to.

Again: Defend your statement. Or retract it. Any other path forward for you would be dishonorable.

You forgot the bit where the big blockers try to fool newbies into thinking Bcash lol and BSV are Bitcoin.

Your entire value proposition is based on fraud.  

One of these logos is a BSV logo.  One of these logos is a Bitcoin logo.  I can’t tell the difference so I can’t see how a newbie could.  This is plainly fraudulent passing off.  



Thanks Hairy. He insists on making it an argument about whether or not a piece of software has the ability to act immorally on its own, which is of course, never what the argument was about.

breher: just because you ignore a defense doesn't mean its not a defense. I'm tired of playing these word games with you. Look at the scoreboard: your favorite altcoins are dying slow but measurable deaths because they were built on the fraudulent premise that they are the real bitcoin. Had they not tried so hard to blatantly piggyback off bitcoin's good name, perhaps they would both be doing better than they currently are. They would almost certainly be better respected by the general community.

Segwit and LN and Schnorr are not BitCoin, for a very good reason.

If u don't get that, visit a lawyer but don't misinform all the others.
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October 12, 2019, 06:37:40 AM

Segwit and LN and Schnorr are not BitCoin, for a very good reason.

You miss the real point.  Money is supposed to be a constant and unchanging.  Things like the noble metals (physical silver and gold) resist entropy.  Bitcoin FACILITATES entropy.  It's the #1 worst form of 'money' ever created.  If something starts out as some completely arbitrary abomination and randomly transforms into some other new, completely arbitrary abomination, it's obviously not fungible or money.

"Fungible" does not mean tumbling coins in some Albanian mixer to try and obfuscate outputs, it means the object has actual, inherent properties that don't mutate at random.  Fungibility is a requirement of money and no imaginary, digital shitcoin has it.  Physical metals are money and digital shitcoins are scam hoaxes pretending to have the traits of metals when they don't.
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[A reaction to china coin launch in a few days/weeks?]

US is about to experience yet another "sputnik" moment.
In the 60ies it was a smart response: NASA, lunar missions, science education in schools.
What now? I not confident at all that a response would be intelligent this time around.


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