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February 08, 2015, 11:20:36 AM
Last edit: February 08, 2015, 12:59:50 PM by NotHatinJustTrollin

It is in fact cheaper for online transactions
It's cheap now that miners are allowed to print money faster than the FED mine bitcoins with a high block reward.
Bitcoin core developers like Peter Todd already said "in regards to fee economics we're probably already in deep shit in the long run".

Yeah, cheap, forevah.


safer for protecting your identity
Sure, if you're dealing with child pr0nz you want to protect your identity. I am sure the average Joe prefers to remain anonymous over the fact that he can get his money back if somebody steals it or gets lost with credit cards data breaches and whatnot (VERY EASY to get your coins stolen with bitcoin if you have to move your money around and use it, but yeah as long as it's in cold storage and you don't use it's secure... lol)


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simpler for international transactions
It's so much simpler for the average Joe to get into bitcoin that he needs to do wire transfers to some obscure exchange and wait few days to be able to buy bitcoin, but be careful, he should also look into trading and pay the fees to convert his BTC to USD (and keep it in an exchange online, because secure) else he can get easily screwed by the volatility which defies the whole purpose to use it as a currency.

As an alternative to wire transfers to buy bitcoin (and use bitcoin to pay for goods and services online instead of those ugly credit cards), he can buy it on circle with a... ehm... credit card.
Woops.

All of this is very user-friendly, straightforward and very convenient for the average joe. Very appealing.


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faster for online payments
Left time I checked credit card transactions were instant.



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and more secure
Credit cards can give you your money back in case of data breaches and what not, if you lose your bitcoins or you get hacked (happens all the time even to people who tried their best to secure their funds, again, if they have to move their money around), you get nothing, it's over, you're done.







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Yes he addressed scaling in the whitepaper.
Yeah, it's so addressed in the whitepaper that the bitcoin community is having debates on a solution proposal that created more controversy (and arguably other problems too) anyone has ever seen within the community.

However, since then I have come to realize that bitcoin was never intended for large-scale use, but only to test whether the solution proposed by Satoshi to the "distributed ledger problem" (block reward + proof-of-work + longest-chain-wins) would indeed motivate the miners to maintain the ledger and protect it from malicious attacks.  The experiment has been running for 6 years, which is remarkable; but it exposed one flaw -- the centralization of mining -- which may require another genial idea to solve.
Well, the ripple network (but yeah as you said, the ripple NETWORK, not ripple the coin) and their consensus protocol solves most of these problems.
No mining or mining centralisation, more scalable, it effectively cuts fees that are gonna stay low forever (not like in bitcoin), no proof-of-work, no wasting of resources etc but most importantly it doesn't force you to adopt a volatile ponzi currency that nobody needs or wants.
You can put any asset or currency in the network and it's more suitable for smart contracts and all the other possible "blockchain technology" applications.


And that's an example of distributed ledger that works, others might follow the coming years.

distributed ledgers = the internet
cryptocurrencies = pets.com
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February 08, 2015, 11:23:57 AM

damn sold at 220, should i rebuy? Embarrassed
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February 08, 2015, 11:26:29 AM

handing that BTC to a payment processor (which also profits from the deal because not charity)

I don't know whether BitPay is profiting.  

IIRC, when they started, they offered merchants a free entry-level plan, that allowed only some small volume.  Merchants who exceeded that volume would have to upgrade to a plan with a monthly fee.  But at some time they dropped all fees.

Even if they are processing 200 million USD/year of e-payments, and taking a percentage of that somehow, their revenue must be only 3-4 million USD/year.  Their payroll alone must be more than that.  

Didn't they lay off some staff recently? Anyone remembers how much they paid for the Bitcoin Bowl?

So perhaps they are still operating at a loss, burning their venture capital, hoping for a substantial traffic increase.  Which, again, would explain why they are not releasing any meaningful numbers.

could they ran a trading desk and make profits off that?
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February 08, 2015, 11:28:08 AM

damn sold at 220, should i rebuy? Embarrassed

If you wish, I would Wink
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February 08, 2015, 11:39:08 AM

damn sold at 220, should i rebuy? Embarrassed

If you wish, I would Wink

time to get the other half

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February 08, 2015, 12:00:00 PM

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February 08, 2015, 12:14:07 PM

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February 08, 2015, 12:14:33 PM

handing that BTC to a payment processor (which also profits from the deal because not charity)

I don't know whether BitPay is profiting.  

IIRC, when they started, they offered merchants a free entry-level plan, that allowed only some small volume.  Merchants who exceeded that volume would have to upgrade to a plan with a monthly fee.  But at some time they dropped all fees.

Even if they are processing 200 million USD/year of e-payments, and taking a percentage of that somehow, their revenue must be only 3-4 million USD/year.  Their payroll alone must be more than that.  

Didn't they lay off some staff recently? Anyone remembers how much they paid for the Bitcoin Bowl?

So perhaps they are still operating at a loss, burning their venture capital, hoping for a substantial traffic increase.  Which, again, would explain why they are not releasing any meaningful numbers.

By "profit," I meant profit in the sense of the word as it is used by Bitcoiners--quick personal gain.
In other words, the founders/principals may be profiting through salaries, creative accounting, embezzlement, money laundering schemes, etc., etc.
So, while not strictly profitable in the old-school fiat sense, Bitcoin businesses could be tremendously profitable.  We simply need to start thinking outside the box Smiley

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February 08, 2015, 12:29:17 PM

What are the specific benefits to a customer of using bitcoin?

Say Amazon take bitcoin tomorrow, it would still be an extra step and an extra conversion charge for the general public to use bitcoins. Unless they got paid in bitcoin and they would be pretty sick now if their salary was set at the value of 1200$/b.

Buying things from overseas? it simplifies I guess. But you lose any protection.

Sending money to someone far away. Not an everyday thing for general p.

Imagine if you have fairly grown up kids, but not grown up enough that you want to let them loose on the net with a credit card, but old enough that the amount of internet purchases they make far exceeds what you want to have to deal with. Bitcoin.

Prepaid card.  

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Imagine if you're a respectable mum or dad in a conservative neighborhood, but you just happen to love spending Sundays in your basement busting your whatever to german scheisse movies shooting crank and molesting children.  Bitcoin.

Always knew Bitcoin enthusiasts are degenerates.  FTFY.

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Imagine that you found this marvelous doohickey that costs next to nothing on a site you don't trust. Bitcoin.

Lol, 0 protection.  Consider your coin gone.

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Imagine if you have a cousin somewhere in Africa or Asia who needs to get out of the country ASAP because shit's going down, or simply suddenly ran into some economic dire straits. Bitcoin.

Happens to me every day.  I just tell them to stop running from problems & stay & fight.

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Imagine.... use your imagination!

For crying out loud...

Now what?
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Yes look at the massive movement.


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February 08, 2015, 12:38:06 PM


This time, 4 realz.



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February 08, 2015, 12:39:42 PM

Is the market stalling?

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February 08, 2015, 12:42:01 PM

What are the specific benefits to a customer of using bitcoin?

Say Amazon take bitcoin tomorrow, it would still be an extra step and an extra conversion charge for the general public to use bitcoins. Unless they got paid in bitcoin and they would be pretty sick now if their salary was set at the value of 1200$/b.

Buying things from overseas? it simplifies I guess. But you lose any protection.

Sending money to someone far away. Not an everyday thing for general p.



Why would I pay 25EUR a year just to have a creditcard, when I can also use bitcoin, wich is free?

When buying from respected places that "protection" isn't needed, besides where is the merchant his protection with shady customers?

Who pays to have a credit card? You might pay interest if you keep a balance (which is fair since you're borrowing money). but I've never paid one red cent simply for the right to have any credit card.

As for merchant protection, here's the thing: the customer spends the money, and the customer does not give a shit about merchant protection. The merchant can't stop selling his goods/services because he isn't as well protected, but the customer sure can stop spending his money with that merchant if they don't allow the customer to use payment methods that feel safest to the customer.

The world is bigger than your hometown. I have to pay an annual fee just to have one.
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February 08, 2015, 12:44:17 PM

^Try paying your bills--you'll get one 4 free Smiley
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February 08, 2015, 12:45:01 PM

Ay Bulls, bearish divergence on 230!

230!!

Please go home, bulls! Ridiculous!

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February 08, 2015, 12:45:58 PM

^Try paying your bills--you'll get one 4 free Smiley

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February 08, 2015, 12:50:05 PM

ze fuck...bitstamp going nuts again Grin Grin Grin
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^Try paying your bills--you'll get one 4 free Smiley

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