Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[inca]

What a great setup we have here. Market overwhelmingly bearish with retail shorting bitcoin to all time highs at the end of a bear market. Coin supply dwindling and swap rates rising on finex.

All we need now is a spark start a cascade of short contract capitulation, say, the opening of a wall street etf.

With all due respect to the powers that be, I don't think many of us got into Bitcoin giving a shit about Wall Street. I don't see why that should change now.

True. But for bitcoin to attract new participants it either needs a stable value or not to fuck over everyone who invested previously. A great way for that to happen is for it to function firstly as a store of value (e-gold) and then function as a working currency second.

Gold and silver have destroyed as many fortunes as they've made. I don't expect Bitcoin to behave any differently and don't see why it would.

If you cannot see what suddenly allowing the vast sea of investment capital (multi trillion dollar pool) access to btc could potentially do to the price then I can't help you. Just fifty million USD would smash the price into the stratosphere.

Big picture remains that bitcoin is an excellent assymetric financial bet to speculate upon. Why do you think all the trolls and bears are really here?

[billyjoeallen]

Volume on BTC-E is nothing like yesterday though

yet. The day's not over.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

What a great setup we have here. Market overwhelmingly bearish with retail shorting bitcoin to all time highs at the end of a bear market. Coin supply dwindling and swap rates rising on finex.

All we need now is a spark start a cascade of short contract capitulation, say, the opening of a wall street etf.

With all due respect to the powers that be, I don't think many of us got into Bitcoin giving a shit about Wall Street. I don't see why that should change now.

True. But for bitcoin to attract new participants it either needs a stable value or not to fuck over everyone who invested previously. A great way for that to happen is for it to function firstly as a store of value (e-gold) and then function as a working currency second.

Gold and silver have destroyed as many fortunes as they've made. I don't expect Bitcoin to behave any differently and don't see why it would.

If you cannot see what suddenly allowing the vast sea of investment capital (multi trillion dollar pool) access to btc could potentially do to the price then I can't help you. Just fifty million USD would smash the price into the stratosphere.

Big picture remains that bitcoin is an excellent assymetric financial bet to speculate upon. Why do you think all the trolls and bears are really here?

Bears and trolls are here probably to talk up their shorts, which have been considerably more successful than my long.

[JorgeStolfi]

a BTC-e bot is buying 10BTC a minute for an hour.. Some weird shit is happening on this exchange..

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[Ezmoneyezlife]

I am a little tired and unimpressed with all those fake massive bid walls going around in circles.

We had 5 k wall on coinbase, free willy bot on btc-e, 5 k wall at bit penny stock fund (the most hilarious one, because there is 0 % risk that it will be filled)...and mickey mouse chian exchanges doing their magic as usual...

...and yet a 5 k dump on stamp would instantly bring us to 180. not to mention 26 mils of longs sitting on bitfinex since god knows when.

price barely moving for days, idiots talking about a secret rocket building in the middle of a whale conference (haha!)...

how about no?

How dare you to break wet dreams of steers praying about over9000 $ per btc without inevitable retesting of sub 200$ levels, cheesus dont like you.

[inca]

I am a little tired and unimpressed with all those fake massive bid walls going around in circles.

We had 5 k wall on coinbase, free willy bot on btc-e, 5 k wall at bit penny stock fund (the most hilarious one, because there is 0 % risk that it will be filled)...and mickey mouse chian exchanges doing their magic as usual...

...and yet a 5 k dump on stamp would instantly bring us to 180. not to mention 26 mils of longs sitting on bitfinex since god knows when.

price barely moving for days, idiots talking about a secret rocket building in the middle of a whale conference (haha!)...

how about no?

How dare you to break wet dreams of steers praying about over9000 $ per btc without inevitable retesting of sub 200$ levels, cheesus dont like you.

Well a quick look at the stamp orderbook shows a 5k purchase would drive the price up to 270.

Shorters have already shot their load. All they can do is buy the price up higher if we move up another few percentage points. Tarmi knows this better than most

[publicjud]

What a great setup we have here. Market overwhelmingly bearish with retail shorting bitcoin to all time highs at the end of a bear market. Coin supply dwindling and swap rates rising on finex.

All we need now is a spark start a cascade of short contract capitulation, say, the opening of a wall street etf.

With all due respect to the powers that be, I don't think many of us got into Bitcoin giving a shit about Wall Street. I don't see why that should change now.

True. But for bitcoin to attract new participants it either needs a stable value or not to fuck over everyone who invested previously. A great way for that to happen is for it to function firstly as a store of value (e-gold) and then function as a working currency second.

Gold and silver have destroyed as many fortunes as they've made. I don't expect Bitcoin to behave any differently and don't see why it would.

If you cannot see what suddenly allowing the vast sea of investment capital (multi trillion dollar pool) access to btc could potentially do to the price then I can't help you. Just fifty million USD would smash the price into the stratosphere.

Big picture remains that bitcoin is an excellent assymetric financial bet to speculate upon. Why do you think all the trolls and bears are really here?

Bears and trolls are here probably to talk up their shorts, which have been considerably more successful than my long.

You have as much of an agenda as anyone then...

[Fatman3001]

I am a little tired and unimpressed with all those fake massive bid walls going around in circles.

We had 5 k wall on coinbase, free willy bot on btc-e, 5 k wall at bit penny stock fund (the most hilarious one, because there is 0 % risk that it will be filled)...and mickey mouse chian exchanges doing their magic as usual...

...and yet a 5 k dump on stamp would instantly bring us to 180. not to mention 26 mils of longs sitting on bitfinex since god knows when.

price barely moving for days, idiots talking about a secret rocket building in the middle of a whale conference (haha!)...

how about no?

I am really sorry if all of this frustrates you

[ChartBuddy]

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[noobtrader]

I am a little tired and unimpressed with all those fake massive bid walls going around in circles.

We had 5 k wall on coinbase, free willy bot on btc-e, 5 k wall at bit penny stock fund (the most hilarious one, because there is 0 % risk that it will be filled)...and mickey mouse chian exchanges doing their magic as usual...

...and yet a 5 k dump on stamp would instantly bring us to 180. not to mention 26 mils of longs sitting on bitfinex since god knows when.

price barely moving for days, idiots talking about a secret rocket building in the middle of a whale conference (haha!)...

how about no?

I am really sorry if all of this frustrates you

i wonder if today we can break those 270 price point @btce, that would be interesting and discourage a lot of bear...

[cyclotronmajesty]

I think the market is tangled up in knots. The only thing to get it moving again is to restart the thing. It is down from 330 6 months ago and 260 1 month ago. Nothing looks good right now. U gotta give people an incentive to get back in. A repeat of the crash would help. Bulls need to take a break.

220 does not inspire the noobs. Only the professionals who sold at 250 can get in this market.

[bassclef]

If you cannot see what suddenly allowing the vast sea of investment capital (multi trillion dollar pool) access to btc could potentially do to the price then I can't help you. Just fifty million USD would smash the price into the stratosphere.

Big picture remains that bitcoin is an excellent assymetric financial bet to speculate upon. Why do you think all the trolls and bears are really here?

Good point that a paper BTC derivitave (like GBTC and COIN) will attract a small but significant sum of money from investors who want to hedge against recessions and market/currency/economic crises. It's yet another tool for portfolio management.

This fact alone puts it on the radar for Wall Street, who make money selling these investment instruments to the public. They have undoubtedly "helped" the bear market due to the fact that there are so many green traders who are easy to shake out.

Think about this: Hedge funds aren't allowed to buy bull markets--in fact this is a great way to lose your job of you work for one--instead they buy down markets. When they buy, they buy low and they make sure to not mark the price up. Why would they make you rich at their expense? If the $200 level holds it's good evidence that these prices are "low" to whomever seeks to build a position in Bitcoin, and they hope to revisit higher price levels in the future.

Seeing how twitchy and hungry for good news this market is, watch everyone fat finger the margin buy button if GBTC begins trading at any price above spot.

[Fatman3001]

I am a little tired and unimpressed with all those fake massive bid walls going around in circles.

We had 5 k wall on coinbase, free willy bot on btc-e, 5 k wall at bit penny stock fund (the most hilarious one, because there is 0 % risk that it will be filled)...and mickey mouse chian exchanges doing their magic as usual...

...and yet a 5 k dump on stamp would instantly bring us to 180. not to mention 26 mils of longs sitting on bitfinex since god knows when.

price barely moving for days, idiots talking about a secret rocket building in the middle of a whale conference (haha!)...

how about no?

I am really sorry if all of this frustrates you

i wonder if today we can break those 270 price point @btce, that would be interesting and discourage a lot of bear...

We need stamp and finex to follow past 240

[noobtrader]

I am a little tired and unimpressed with all those fake massive bid walls going around in circles.

We had 5 k wall on coinbase, free willy bot on btc-e, 5 k wall at bit penny stock fund (the most hilarious one, because there is 0 % risk that it will be filled)...and mickey mouse chian exchanges doing their magic as usual...

...and yet a 5 k dump on stamp would instantly bring us to 180. not to mention 26 mils of longs sitting on bitfinex since god knows when.

price barely moving for days, idiots talking about a secret rocket building in the middle of a whale conference (haha!)...

how about no?

I am really sorry if all of this frustrates you

i wonder if today we can break those 270 price point @btce, that would be interesting and discourage a lot of bear...

We need stamp and finex to follow past 240

i wonder if Barry https://twitter.com/barrysilbert  has something to do with this  sudden pump  

PS: buying private island in Canada ?

[inca]

If you cannot see what suddenly allowing the vast sea of investment capital (multi trillion dollar pool) access to btc could potentially do to the price then I can't help you. Just fifty million USD would smash the price into the stratosphere.

Big picture remains that bitcoin is an excellent assymetric financial bet to speculate upon. Why do you think all the trolls and bears are really here?

Good point that a paper BTC derivitave (like GBTC and COIN) will attract a small but significant sum of money from investors who want to hedge against recessions and market/currency/economic crises. It's yet another tool for portfolio management.

This fact alone puts it on the radar for Wall Street, who make money selling these investment instruments to the public. They have undoubtedly "helped" the bear market due to the fact that there are so many green traders who are easy to shake out.

Think about this: Hedge funds aren't allowed to buy bull markets--in fact this is a great way to lose your job of you work for one--instead they buy down markets. When they buy, they buy low and they make sure to not mark the price up. Why would they make you rich at their expense? If the $200 level holds it's good evidence that these prices are "low" to whomever seeks to build a position in Bitcoin, and they hope to revisit higher price levels in the future.

Seeing how twitchy and hungry for good news this market is, watch everyone fat finger the margin buy button if GBTC begins trading at any price above spot.

Exactly. Which is why the huge overhang of 32000 shorts is brilliant. Relatively modest buying is all that is needed to start a nice little upswing back towards 300.

[Norway]

If you cannot see what suddenly allowing the vast sea of investment capital (multi trillion dollar pool) access to btc could potentially do to the price then I can't help you. Just fifty million USD would smash the price into the stratosphere.

Big picture remains that bitcoin is an excellent assymetric financial bet to speculate upon. Why do you think all the trolls and bears are really here?

Good point that a paper BTC derivitave (like GBTC and COIN) will attract a small but significant sum of money from investors who want to hedge against recessions and market/currency/economic crises. It's yet another tool for portfolio management.

This fact alone puts it on the radar for Wall Street, who make money selling these investment instruments to the public. They have undoubtedly "helped" the bear market due to the fact that there are so many green traders who are easy to shake out.

Think about this: Hedge funds aren't allowed to buy bull markets--in fact this is a great way to lose your job of you work for one--instead they buy down markets. When they buy, they buy low and they make sure to not mark the price up. Why would they make you rich at their expense? If the $200 level holds it's good evidence that these prices are "low" to whomever seeks to build a position in Bitcoin, and they hope to revisit higher price levels in the future.

Seeing how twitchy and hungry for good news this market is, watch everyone fat finger the margin buy button if GBTC begins trading at any price above spot.

I agree, sir. I called "Wall Street Monday" more than a week ago, but it didn't happen. I still believe the "launch" will be planned and timed by central players, but I will never try to predict the timing. Ever. Again.  

[noobtrader]

If you cannot see what suddenly allowing the vast sea of investment capital (multi trillion dollar pool) access to btc could potentially do to the price then I can't help you. Just fifty million USD would smash the price into the stratosphere.

Big picture remains that bitcoin is an excellent assymetric financial bet to speculate upon. Why do you think all the trolls and bears are really here?

Good point that a paper BTC derivitave (like GBTC and COIN) will attract a small but significant sum of money from investors who want to hedge against recessions and market/currency/economic crises. It's yet another tool for portfolio management.

This fact alone puts it on the radar for Wall Street, who make money selling these investment instruments to the public. They have undoubtedly "helped" the bear market due to the fact that there are so many green traders who are easy to shake out.

Think about this: Hedge funds aren't allowed to buy bull markets--in fact this is a great way to lose your job of you work for one--instead they buy down markets. When they buy, they buy low and they make sure to not mark the price up. Why would they make you rich at their expense? If the $200 level holds it's good evidence that these prices are "low" to whomever seeks to build a position in Bitcoin, and they hope to revisit higher price levels in the future.

Seeing how twitchy and hungry for good news this market is, watch everyone fat finger the margin buy button if GBTC begins trading at any price above spot.

I agree, sir. I called "Wall Street Monday" more than a week ago, but it didn't happen. I still believe the "launch" will be planned and timed by sentral players, but I will never try to predict the timing. Ever. Again.  

cmon now... you are scaring the bears. they still has hope that price will hit lower than 200 at least once so they can buy cover their short 

[lemmyK]

http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/rickards/chinese-plan-to-destroy-us-dollar.php?iris=358073&ad=wc-am-cfem

but strong yuan destroyed the Chinese economy-based on the cheap people from rural areas. the way they already occurring.
for example, a large manufacturer returns to Europe, sneakers, t-shirts ...
Current blog on one man who manage a com- pany in China and have huge problems finding common people to work. After the holidays, they typically did not return because they find the third likewise paid work at home in the countryside.

  bitcoin must find other uses such as wash money from different versions cryptolocker or a new version of the Silk Road

[tarmi]

smart bears are waiting for double digits like I do.

you are not scaring anyone with fake bid walls and buys on illiquid exchanges.  

[Norway]

If you cannot see what suddenly allowing the vast sea of investment capital (multi trillion dollar pool) access to btc could potentially do to the price then I can't help you. Just fifty million USD would smash the price into the stratosphere.

Big picture remains that bitcoin is an excellent assymetric financial bet to speculate upon. Why do you think all the trolls and bears are really here?

Good point that a paper BTC derivitave (like GBTC and COIN) will attract a small but significant sum of money from investors who want to hedge against recessions and market/currency/economic crises. It's yet another tool for portfolio management.

This fact alone puts it on the radar for Wall Street, who make money selling these investment instruments to the public. They have undoubtedly "helped" the bear market due to the fact that there are so many green traders who are easy to shake out.

Think about this: Hedge funds aren't allowed to buy bull markets--in fact this is a great way to lose your job of you work for one--instead they buy down markets. When they buy, they buy low and they make sure to not mark the price up. Why would they make you rich at their expense? If the $200 level holds it's good evidence that these prices are "low" to whomever seeks to build a position in Bitcoin, and they hope to revisit higher price levels in the future.

Seeing how twitchy and hungry for good news this market is, watch everyone fat finger the margin buy button if GBTC begins trading at any price above spot.

I agree, sir. I called "Wall Street Monday" more than a week ago, but it didn't happen. I still believe the "launch" will be planned and timed by sentral players, but I will never try to predict the timing. Ever. Again.  

cmon now... you are scaring the bears. they still has hope that price will hit lower than 200 at least once so they can buy cover their short 

He he. If you short for over a year, and it works almost every time, it's hard to kick the habit. My strategy has always been to buy as much as I can as fast as I can. Because I can't predict the near future, but I see the long term potential of bitcoin. I'm surprised that not more big investors see it my way. Maybe I'm over rating big investors long term skills