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June 14, 2016, 12:01:45 AM

ok let talk about 900
so after 900 comes 1000
hmmm interesting.

question will be what happens at 1150? ath should be a decent resistance.
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June 14, 2016, 12:05:45 AM

Lets think about it in another way as "Zimmah" did here.

What do you think ?

I agree with the principal of that commentary but in practice the "limited supply" aspect is not quite true because Bitcoin will be levered. Any limited supply asset base is always levered in order to meet liquidity requirements in its derivative markets. If the banks don't do it, the free market will in order to achieve price stability in certain trading sectors.

Despite that, the fact that Bitcoin is an electronic "bearer" token means it is more accessible to the ordinary holder so its easier for people who actually want to hold the base asset to do so.


I have never experienced an all time high rally before, and half the forum members probably joined after the last one. The bullish emotions sweeping through the forum are infectious and could become the biggest driving factor for the price. Zimmah's prediction could be made a reality by those emotions despite any other factors.
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June 14, 2016, 12:11:28 AM


question will be what happens at 1150? ath should be a decent resistance.

The ATH was so long ago it feels a little like ancient history now. Perhaps the market will simply shit all over it on its way north just to prove that we're in a juicy new era.
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June 14, 2016, 12:17:06 AM


I have never experienced an all time high rally before, and half the forum members probably joined after the last one. The bullish emotions sweeping through the forum are infectious and could become the biggest driving factor for the price. Zimmah's prediction could be made a reality by those emotions despite any other factors.

I experienced the last one in 2013 - every last day of it, including the grizzly descent back to $200.

You'd be surprised how smart many traders are who actually drive the price. They just go by charts - nothing else and if it went up then it's coming down, no buts about it and no matter what the "fundamentals" say. I was amazed at how all kinds of bullish events were happening - Overstock started accepting bitcoin, new Chinese exchanges, Bitpay arrived, talk of ETFs you name it. Yet the price kept plummeting. It was perplexing to watch.

The only thing you can be sure of is there's no amount of reality that can out-do your imagination. So if you imagine some future, take 5% of that and you might be in the ballpark cos hype won't do it - ever  Wink
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June 14, 2016, 12:20:28 AM


I have never experienced an all time high rally before, and half the forum members probably joined after the last one.


I was there for it all too. I bought some coins a few months before and then started paying more attention when they went batty. As I hadn't really been checking the movements in the meantime I thought $100 movement per day might be par for the course. I was proven ever so slightly wrong. It's a weird feeling to see something approximating it again.
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June 14, 2016, 12:36:54 AM

You do know you can find on YouTube how you can melt a frying pan and make a gun out of it ... or melt some copper/bronze coins/wires to make some bullet shells.. and also the recipe for the inside content of the explosive power that goes inside it you can find.

Hm, sounds like a good way for noobs to blow their hands off.
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June 14, 2016, 12:41:47 AM

ok let talk about 900
so after 900 comes 1000
hmmm interesting.

question will be what happens at 1150? ath should be a decent resistance.


Mark my words:
it will go through 1150 like a knife in butter  Cool
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June 14, 2016, 01:05:34 AM


Really? It's captured almost 13% of Bitcoin's market cap in less than a year.

Mining it is really profitable, and accessible to the avg user, unlike the megawatt warehouses of the decentralized BTC.

To add insult to injury... it's rallying harder than the coin that is actually having its inflation halved:



The mindset that BTC's inertia is insurmountable is a dangerous one. Especially when its dev team is committed to crippling it in favor of as-yet-non-existent payment channels (channels that have huge incentives for centralization into monolithic hubs btw).

Pffffft, what am I thinking? Let's moon this biotch!  Cool

You are just on and on about Ethereum, and it seems that you don't even believe the bullcrap that you are spouting.

Who the fuck knows about short term price directions of ETH?  I'm sure they can continue to pump Ethereum for a while, but there is just a lack of fundamentals - at least in respect to the decentralized aspect of it, and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down. 

Yeah, they can keep pumping it, but when there is a lack of some of the fundamentals, then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there. 
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June 14, 2016, 01:08:44 AM

question will be what happens at 1150? ath should be a decent resistance.


Mark my words:
it will go through 1150 like a knife in butter  Cool

700s is the pivotal resistance imho. If we can break that the rest will break itself so to speak.
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June 14, 2016, 01:37:01 AM

You are just on and on about Ethereum, and it seems that you don't even believe the bullcrap that you are spouting.

Who the fuck knows about short term price directions of ETH?  I'm sure they can continue to pump Ethereum for a while, but there is just a lack of fundamentals - at least in respect to the decentralized aspect of it, and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down.  

Yeah, they can keep pumping it, but when there is a lack of some of the fundamentals, then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  

Lol @ unironically trotting out fundamentals while invested in beetcoin.
Number of non-criminal unique bitcoin use cases that aren't contrived bullshit: ZERO.
Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that have made money for their investors: ZERO.
Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that went belly up/simply ran away with the money: staggering.
What fundamentals are we talking about? A bunch of guys in China running casinos exchanges while their buddies turn electricity into waste heat?

At least ETH isn't associated with child porn/failed drug dealers & extortionists, has a better backstory & is profitable. Like so:

http://s31.postimg.org/vn5dm5lqj/Capture.gif

>and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down ... then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  
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June 14, 2016, 01:39:18 AM

...etherpoop shill...
feeding and quoting etherpoop troll

If you feel the need to feed the troll at least take the etherpoop shilling out of your own quotes, or go discuss it in the alts section
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June 14, 2016, 01:47:02 AM

5 months on...

14th Jan 2016: $429.74
                                                                                          
Bitcoin... has failed
                                                                  
The death spiral begins
                                                                  
Bitcoin has no future
Bitcoin has entered [...] a crisis of the core system, the block chain itself.
the long term trend should probably be downwards.
the network is on the brink of technical collapse.


14th June 2016: $697.47

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June 14, 2016, 01:54:22 AM

I can not stress this enough:

the average amount of bitcoin people will have is less than 0.003 bitcoin

The average amount of bitcoin people DO have is less than is less than 0.003 bitcoin. Right now. Hazzah!
And the average amount of Dash people will have is less than 0.003.
And the average amount of BBQ coin people will have is less than 0.003.
And the average amount of [most_worthless_shitcoins] people will have is less than 0.003.

Why are people impressed by this? Does it imply that all shitcoins are astoundingly undervalued? Should I issue an alt with just 2 million max coins, making it x10 as valuable as BTC?
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June 14, 2016, 02:24:37 AM

Question:    On June 30th price will be
<1000
<800
<700
<600
<520
<480
<450
<420

   

hello OP can you add > 1000
i think people believe bitcoin can reach $1000 above
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June 14, 2016, 02:32:12 AM

Just got back from the ballpark and I see nothing's changed. Still going sideways trying to break $700 resistance.

This could go on for a while. Why do the Chinese wait until the weekends to go on buying sprees?
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June 14, 2016, 02:38:16 AM

Just got back from the ballpark and I see nothing's changed. Still going sideways trying to break $700 resistance.

This could go on for a while. Why do the Chinese wait until the weekends to go on buying sprees?
Yep, I was a bit surprised to see it hit 700, off and on today.... but its been great!  Smiley
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June 14, 2016, 02:55:45 AM


question will be what happens at 1150? ath should be a decent resistance.

The ATH was so long ago it feels a little like ancient history now. Perhaps the market will simply shit all over it on its way north just to prove that we're in a juicy new era.

New ATH is better measured on market cap due to all the bitcoins that have been issued since the last ATH ... same as measuring the low versus previous ATH worked out more reliable for picking the low.

New ATH will be hit around $888 (~$13.9 bill market cap)... I'm expecting solid rocket boosters to be engaged if we go through that convincingly and since it is lower than current cost ($~950) fully expect it to happen but not sure how soon.
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You are just on and on about Ethereum, and it seems that you don't even believe the bullcrap that you are spouting.

Who the fuck knows about short term price directions of ETH?  I'm sure they can continue to pump Ethereum for a while, but there is just a lack of fundamentals - at least in respect to the decentralized aspect of it, and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down.  

Yeah, they can keep pumping it, but when there is a lack of some of the fundamentals, then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  

Lol @ unironically trotting out fundamentals while invested in beetcoin.
Number of non-criminal unique bitcoin use cases that aren't contrived bullshit: ZERO.
Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that have made money for their investors: ZERO.
Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that went belly up/simply ran away with the money: staggering.
What fundamentals are we talking about? A bunch of guys in China running casinos exchanges while their buddies turn electricity into waste heat?

At least ETH isn't associated with child porn/failed drug dealers & extortionists, has a better backstory & is profitable. Like so:

http://s31.postimg.org/vn5dm5lqj/Capture.gif

>and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down ... then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  
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I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.
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June 14, 2016, 02:56:56 AM

You do know you can find on YouTube how you can melt a frying pan and make a gun out of it ... or melt some copper/bronze coins/wires to make some bullet shells.. and also the recipe for the inside content of the explosive power that goes inside it you can find.

Hm, sounds like a good way for noobs to blow their hands off.

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I can not stress this enough:

the average amount of bitcoin people will have is less than 0.003 bitcoin

So lets assume we use bitcoin on a mass scale... in exactly 35 years we will have Gold, Silver, Platinum, Copper, Sheep's Wood, Cotton, Corn, Water, Electricity .... all commodity and currency that can be thrown in to BTCitcoin to devalue its own value.

If you think of $$ dollars ... you are royally f^#@%!!! ... because lets say in 35 years 1 kilo of gold = 0.0001BTC000000000000000... and the dollar is devalued 800x times the amount of gold.

And some people here might not know that devaluation is a spiral effect! It is not only pegged to BTCitcoin ... they will try to do currency wars between each other! And if they all devalue ... then all currencies and commodities on this planet and other planets that we will mine ... will increase the value of BTCeastcoin.
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June 14, 2016, 02:57:14 AM

You are just on and on about Ethereum, and it seems that you don't even believe the bullcrap that you are spouting.

Who the fuck knows about short term price directions of ETH?  I'm sure they can continue to pump Ethereum for a while, but there is just a lack of fundamentals - at least in respect to the decentralized aspect of it, and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down.  

Yeah, they can keep pumping it, but when there is a lack of some of the fundamentals, then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  

Lol @ unironically trotting out fundamentals while invested in beetcoin.


I wonder if I should even respond to your nonsense.....

Yes, it's called fundamentals if you even considered facts beyond mere superficial quibblings around the word itself.  Fundamentals for bitcoin includes permissionless immutable decentralization that has been built upon quite extensively, which is a set of fundamentals that no other coin can meaningfully claim.  Yes, there are some coins that attempt some forms of decentralization and attempt to make meaningful improvements to bitcoin (such as monero and dash), and many claim decentralization in a kind of in-name only way, such as Ethereum, but many, including Ethereum, still do not have a decentralized proof of work infrastructure that secures a public ledger and presets value in such a manner that has been extensively time tested and attacked (like bitcoin has).

Your inability to call bitcoin by it's proper name, here, also goes to show that you are not even attempting to consider actual technical or use case facts.. because your goals appears to be denigrate, distort and make superficial and self-selective assertions.



Number of non-criminal unique bitcoin use cases that aren't contrived bullshit: ZERO.

What is bullshit, is you.  There may be a lot of folks who use bitcoin for legally questionable activities, yet you defy adult logic with your attempt to suggest that merely because there is quite a bit of questionably legal or even illegal activities within bitcoin, that the totality bitcoin has no legal purpose.


Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that have made money for their investors: ZERO.

I doubt that we have enough information regarding this point, but you could be correct that bitcoin companies are not making money.  I personally would imagine that several of the exchanges have a lot of potential to make decent money.. but I don't really claim to know particulars, except for an understanding that frequently early venture capitalists will have difficulties monetizing within new industries.  That is not unique to bitcoin, and remains a so fucking what, because there are still companies investing into the space, and the space is still growing, so there remains decent potential to figure out various profitable business models within the bitcoin space.




Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that went belly up/simply ran away with the money: staggering.

You sound like a fucking old disgruntled and out of touch person-bot, here with your non-specifics... it's just "staggering", "staggering."    And, whatever, even if your assertion regarding "staggering" has some accuracy, bitcoin should not be condemned as a whole because of the fact that a large number of companies have run off with funds that were entrusted to them and easily able to transport without detection.  I doubt that you have any studies that would make any kind of statistically significant comparison to establish that bitcoin is worse than other industries in which large sums of money had been given to company owners.

In other words, you are just talking out of your ass with what you had read in your anti-bitcoin shill playing book.





What fundamentals are we talking about? A bunch of guys in China running casinos exchanges while their buddies turn electricity into waste heat?

Bitcoin is much more diverse than China..... why don't you provide some support for your xenophobic claims.



At least ETH isn't associated with child porn/failed drug dealers & extortionists,

likely not associated with any kind of meaningful commercial use, because it remains too much of a newbie and lacks liquidation avenues (even though some ETH liquidation avenues are currently growing, they are no where near bitcoin's liquidation abilities at this time).






 has a better backstory


who gives a shit about.. your attempt to distort a backstory with selective emphasis on negative aspects...



& is profitable. Like so:




Yeah, you can look at one day here and there, and so fucking what?  The lack of establishment in ETH is going to make that downside quite hurtful when it does take place.  Bitcoin has already gone through several of those early day stages of extensive negative price performance.

Another problem with ETH is that after some of the hype wears off, a large number of folks are probably going to come to realize that there really wasn't much of any there, there, in spite of a lot of the pie in the sky hype regarding ETH and DAO etc...

Yeah, of course, there is a bit of there, there, but it is no where near the level of fantastical hype.





>and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down ... then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  <<<<<

Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise Cheesy


You seem to be wrongly implying that I am making some kind of complement?  Part of my point is "buyer beware."  Sure it is possible that ETH could experience another 2x, or 5x or even 10x, but even if it does experience these kinds of additional pumps, there still seems to remain considerable issues regarding what's behind the curtain and can it actually deliver without considerable downfallings... I am already amazingly surprised that it was able to be pumped beyond $5, so I don't really claim to know or understand what some of the finanancial forces behind the pump and whether they may be losing money to sustain such an ETH pump and until what point they will continue to engage in such pumping.  I know banks and even governments such as the usa government has an enormous budget to be able to pump such a stupid ass deceptive concept such as ETH, but it does not mean that I am going to invest in such ridiculousness or even recommend such, even though people could profit from such seemingly nonsensical and foundation lacking speculation.


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