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July 06, 2016, 05:17:54 PM

Jezus people, learn to spot a troll.  The only question is whether Bulgarian is Lambie again or not.  My money is on yes.




Haha that was actually funny. Wondering if people engaging NLC are really that dumb or just clones/NLC talking to him/herself  Undecided

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July 06, 2016, 05:52:19 PM

Get your lambie watch, to tell you how many shill accounts are roaming bitcointalk forums, anytime, anywhere.

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Hello from the Bulgaria, everybody !

It is not very a happy here in the Bulgaria , our Bulgarian the lev keeps inflating the relative filthy the US dollar . Our Bulgarian the President Rosen the Plevneliev refuses to run again , and even our the Bulgarian the Socialist opposition leader , Korneliya the Ninova , don't want to run .

That is how bad the things have got .

With the 3 days left to go to the halving , when the Bulgarian sources tell me the price will the double for the sure , is it too late for me to go "all" in on the Bitcoin ?

It's not about the price doubling. It's about getting your funds out of an inflationary currency.

If you could use dollars instead of the Bulgarian lev would you?

Bitcoin is like that but better when it comes to inflation. And you can use Bitcoin all over the Internet.

In the Bulgaria, I not buy Bitcoin on internet. I go to Bazaar and buy US the dollar or European the euros with Bulgarian the lev from corrupt Boyko the Boriso , for to buy the Bitcoin from prostitutka Nika "under the ground" . Is very difficult .

You know what you know at this time, and yeah, even if it is difficult to get bitcoin, it may be worth some premium to put a certain percentage of your savings into bitcoin.  If you have to track down new sources to get bitcoin, then that maybe a bit more difficult to achieve before the halvening....  

Nonetheless, none of us really know at this time whether bitcoin's prices are going to be going up or down in the short term, and it is possible that it could take several months before the effects of the halvening begin to be felt (that is the shortage of new coins)...

If I were in your position I would put some money into bitcoin through means that you know, and attempt to research other means that may be available to get bitcoins in the future, but surely you have to decide for yourself regarding percentage of allocation, and I personally don't believe in going "all in" anything because I personally try not to gamble with my investments, but instead to distribute risk and allocate in accordance with my personal financial situation, view of the future and risk tolerance.




Oh yeah... this is even a better answer in terms of looking for additional potential sellers in your local area





I pay to buy the WebMony , I pay 706 the WebMony dollar to buy the BTC from the moneyman2k , then the moneyman2k give me 605 the dollar if I want sell ?

That what prostitutka Nika do "under the ground" , 5 kilometer away , at behind bazaar .


Maybe you are trolling?

You can look around for individual sources for bitcoins... and yeah, if there are only a few folks selling bitcoin, then you need to look for new sources.



Jezus people, learn to spot a troll.  The only question is whether Bulgarian is Lambie again or not.  My money is on yes.


O.k. ... It is starting to appear that you could be correct... that we got another lambie account in our midst
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July 06, 2016, 06:48:13 PM

I mean, you have -54k coins per month / -650k coins per year in supply. That's a lot of coins that will not be there. And this reduction in supply is something that can only be "priced in" in real-time supply/demand scenarios.

Those coins didn't disappear, AlexGR. They're still there.
If filthy statists start printing half as much dollar bills out of thin air, the supply of worthless government scrip will not decrease. It will continue to increase, just not as fast.

Most banks are going to enforce nagative interest rates soonish.
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That would introduce some kind of deflationary scenario in an inflationary system.
No. If anything, it would do the just the opposite, introduce an *inflationary* scenario. It is supposed to stimulate *buying*, and disincentivize "delayed gratification," e.g. keeping money in a bank.
Please take Econ 101 or read a book.

If a central bank charges negative interest rates, doesn't that mean the issued money ends up where it was created? Thus removing it from the economy. That doesn't change the fact that the issuance of new money is way higher than the burning of old money.

Also a farty idea, but banks should pay us for lending money if they charge negative interest. It would speed up the inevitable.


I think that you are writing passed the point that is being made here by respawn2, and that is the incentive that is attempting to be created to spend rather than save... In that regard, it should be clear that if the fed had continued to lower  and to lower and to lower interest rates in order to create incentives for spending in the economy... after they go to zero, then there is no where to go except to negative... it's about attempting to create certain incentives on a macro level, while seeming to lose sight regarding the damaging nature of the whole fiat system that is creating weird incentives and an artificial pump that becomes more and more likely to implode the more that it seems to fuck more and more regular people around, and in the mean time while better asset (value) preservation systems exist, such as bitcoin.
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July 06, 2016, 07:11:25 PM

I mean, you have -54k coins per month / -650k coins per year in supply. That's a lot of coins that will not be there. And this reduction in supply is something that can only be "priced in" in real-time supply/demand scenarios.

Those coins didn't disappear, AlexGR. They're still there.
If filthy statists start printing half as much dollar bills out of thin air, the supply of worthless government scrip will not decrease. It will continue to increase, just not as fast.

Most banks are going to enforce nagative interest rates soonish.
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That would introduce some kind of deflationary scenario in an inflationary system.
No. If anything, it would do the just the opposite, introduce an *inflationary* scenario. It is supposed to stimulate *buying*, and disincentivize "delayed gratification," e.g. keeping money in a bank.
Please take Econ 101 or read a book.

If a central bank charges negative interest rates, doesn't that mean the issued money ends up where it was created? Thus removing it from the economy. That doesn't change the fact that the issuance of new money is way higher than the burning of old money.

Also a farty idea, but banks should pay us for lending money if they charge negative interest. It would speed up the inevitable.


I think that you are writing passed the point that is being made here by respawn2, and that is the incentive that is attempting to be created to spend rather than save... In that regard, it should be clear that if the fed had continued to lower  and to lower and to lower interest rates in order to create incentives for spending in the economy... after they go to zero, then there is no where to go except to negative... it's about attempting to create certain incentives on a macro level, while seeming to lose sight regarding the damaging nature of the whole fiat system that is creating weird incentives and an artificial pump that becomes more and more likely to implode the more that it seems to fuck more and more regular people around, and in the mean time while better asset (value) preservation systems exist, such as bitcoin.
I get that the reasoning behind negative interest rates are to make people spend their money rather than save it.
But if this trend continues, will we eventually see -10% or higher interest rates? At what point does a commoner realize that they are being fucked over big time by a system that should have been replaced ages ago?
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No. If anything, it would do the just the opposite, introduce an *inflationary* scenario. It is supposed to stimulate *buying*, and disincentivize "delayed gratification," e.g. keeping money in a bank.
Please take Econ 101 or read a book.

Too bad for you Jewish banking shills that negative interest rates had the exact opposite effect and caused people to save more instead of spend in order to offset negative yield.

For other lessons on the future of the world economy:

#1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1413819.msg15471618#msg15471618

#2  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1413819.msg15473998#msg15473998
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July 06, 2016, 07:53:10 PM

I mean, you have -54k coins per month / -650k coins per year in supply. That's a lot of coins that will not be there. And this reduction in supply is something that can only be "priced in" in real-time supply/demand scenarios.

Those coins didn't disappear, AlexGR. They're still there.
If filthy statists start printing half as much dollar bills out of thin air, the supply of worthless government scrip will not decrease. It will continue to increase, just not as fast.

Most banks are going to enforce nagative interest rates soonish.
Sure. In Two WeeksTM.
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That would introduce some kind of deflationary scenario in an inflationary system.
No. If anything, it would do the just the opposite, introduce an *inflationary* scenario. It is supposed to stimulate *buying*, and disincentivize "delayed gratification," e.g. keeping money in a bank.
Please take Econ 101 or read a book.

If a central bank charges negative interest rates, doesn't that mean the issued money ends up where it was created? Thus removing it from the economy. That doesn't change the fact that the issuance of new money is way higher than the burning of old money.

Also a farty idea, but banks should pay us for lending money if they charge negative interest. It would speed up the inevitable.


I think that you are writing passed the point that is being made here by respawn2, and that is the incentive that is attempting to be created to spend rather than save... In that regard, it should be clear that if the fed had continued to lower  and to lower and to lower interest rates in order to create incentives for spending in the economy... after they go to zero, then there is no where to go except to negative... it's about attempting to create certain incentives on a macro level, while seeming to lose sight regarding the damaging nature of the whole fiat system that is creating weird incentives and an artificial pump that becomes more and more likely to implode the more that it seems to fuck more and more regular people around, and in the mean time while better asset (value) preservation systems exist, such as bitcoin.
I get that the reasoning behind negative interest rates are to make people spend their money rather than save it.
But if this trend continues, will we eventually see -10% or higher interest rates? At what point does a commoner realize that they are being fucked over big time by a system that should have been replaced ages ago?

Libertarians have been predicting the downfall of capitalism as we know it and the US dominant dollar for decades, so we know that some of these various seemingly unsustainable systems can adapt an stay in place for extended periods of time.  Look at the US, also, it seems a bit ridiculous that voters have choices between two corrupt persons for the presidency, and seeming like no real way out of this kind of ridiculousness that is going to come out of either result.

A few years ago, I was feeling quite nervous too, about the sustainability of the current ever increasing ridiculous monetary system, and I kind of concluded that surely it could be possible to get another 30 years out of such an evolving ridiculousness... No one really knows for sure, and kind of the nature of implosions is that they occur unexpectedly.

Nonetheless, Bitcoin seems to continue hold a pretty decent place in this whole scheme of things.... At some point, there may be some other complementary systems to bitcoin, but a lot of us who already know and study bitcoin, should feel really excited about bitcoin when we are also seeing the folding and unfolding of other world developments, including the various financial systems.  I personally don't think that it would be good for anyone, including bitcoin holders, if there were a total financial system implosion, but some of the weird and ongoing subtle and camouflaged collapses of various fiat systems seems much more conducive to the prospering of bitcoin.
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July 06, 2016, 08:12:29 PM

Jezus people, learn to spot a troll.  The only question is whether Bulgarian is Lambie again or not.  My money is on yes.



Haha... if they would have known the Leva was pegged to the Euro in 2007 since they joined the European Union. And is the same price since then! Unchanged!

Btw... I see $750+/BTCitcoin today/tomorrow .. 1-3 days max!
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Nonetheless, Bitcoin seems to continue hold a pretty decent place in this whole scheme of things.... At some point, there may be some other complementary systems to bitcoin, but a lot of us who already know and study bitcoin, should feel really excited about bitcoin when we are also seeing the folding and unfolding of other world developments, including the various financial systems.  I personally don't think that it would be good for anyone, including bitcoin holders, if there were a total financial system implosion, but some of the weird and ongoing subtle and camouflaged collapses of various fiat systems seems much more conducive to the prospering of bitcoin.
I'd rather find that we would switch from one financial system to another seamlessly trough adoption. People who come to the party prepared, don't have anything to lose. We don't even need end-point users to adopt anything new, just the financial institutions.

JJG, can you speculate a scenario where Russians instead of trying to ban bitcoin, would start hoarding bitcoin. Also what are the odds of any country publicly announcing that they are hoarding bitcoins? Also aren't governments the biggest institutions that are currently interested in bitcoin?

Thanks again for the idea to document my finances in excel, it has worked out for me really well.
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Nonetheless, Bitcoin seems to continue hold a pretty decent place in this whole scheme of things.... At some point, there may be some other complementary systems to bitcoin, but a lot of us who already know and study bitcoin, should feel really excited about bitcoin when we are also seeing the folding and unfolding of other world developments, including the various financial systems.  I personally don't think that it would be good for anyone, including bitcoin holders, if there were a total financial system implosion, but some of the weird and ongoing subtle and camouflaged collapses of various fiat systems seems much more conducive to the prospering of bitcoin.
I'd rather find that we would switch from one financial system to another seamlessly trough adoption. People who come to the party prepared, don't have anything to lose. We don't even need end-point users to adopt anything new, just the financial institutions.

I don't think that any of us can really predict various kinds of political and/or financial calamities because in any kind of scenario, there are a lot of various human actors in play, and frequently these various influential actors (and sometimes not influential, but coincidentally effective actors) can act out in predictably unpredictable ways that in the end remain unpredictable because there are so many various probabilities, so many players and likely even quite a bit of irrationality involved too. 

Actually, I have had some recent theories regarding the behavior of rich people, which certainly depend upon social, political and cultural context, but sometimes some of the super rich and influential rich folks behave in certain ways under certain systems that allow such behavior of goals of not become more wealthy but instead engage in activities and persuasion to avoid more fair wealth distribution to society as a whole, and sometimes these influences of the super rich can sabotage society in a lot of ways to allow super rich folks to have so much influence over outcomes when their goals are quite selfish, disempowering and exploitative.






JJG, can you speculate a scenario where Russians instead of trying to ban bitcoin, would start hoarding bitcoin.

I am not sure whether I understand the political context sufficiently in order to be very accurate.  I think that now, Russian officials are kind of skeptical of bitcoin and even having misconceptions that it is a kind of USA product; however, yeah, there could be scenarios in which they recognize bitcoin as a possible means to undermine the USD, which seems like it would be a more accurate assessment to consider Bitcoin as a competitor to the USD rather than some kind of USA invention.


Also what are the odds of any country publicly announcing that they are hoarding bitcoins?


I think that your questions are very good, and in order to come up with such questions, you have probably thought through some of these various scenarios.

To me it does not seem that any government would announce that they are hoarding bitcoins, unless they have already invested considerably into bitcoin and then are attempting to cause a pumping effect by such announcement.  Sure, those kinds of scenarios could play out in the future, but it seems that we are quite a ways from such a scenario playing out.  On the other hand, the seeming assumption of the question seems to be correct that sometimes it may take only a few influential persons within a government system to cause by persuasion some changes in policy and risk taking in terms of adopting and/or hoarding bitcoins.   I do recall that there has been some discussions of these kinds of potentialities in some smaller governments, including Cypress and Barbados, and probably there have been some other areas in which bitcoin had been given some serious attention... but yeah, seems like the more likely scenario would be secret hoarding rather than public hoarding.

Also aren't governments the biggest institutions that are currently interested in bitcoin?


I think that frequently a large and overwhelming majority of government officials do not recognize potentiality in bitcoin, so they are frequently considering ways to compete against it rather than somehow playing into the bitcoin infrastructure.  Sure there are some exceptional government officials, but so far they are likely rare and not influential in terms of causing radical bitcoin adoption within their respective governments.

Thanks again for the idea to document my finances in excel, it has worked out for me really well.

Sure, yeah. 

I recall that maybe I had mentioned Excel as a means to project your personal cashflow for several months in advance (I usually do at least a year, but sometimes nearly 2 years depending on some projected cash flow issues), and certainly, Excel is a very powerful program in which you can create a lot of spreadsheets to project a variety of your personal finances and also, for example, to project the money that you have invested into bitcoin and what you have available for bitcoin/or other crypto currencies and also various financial aspects of your bitcoin investment. 

I have been creating excel spreadsheets for nearly 20 years, so several of mine have become more and more sophisticated , and possibly some of them only readable (or workable) by me, but really this practice seems to allow me a great means to keep tabs on my finances and to adjust along the way.... better than paper, but does not eliminate paper for some quick jotting situations.

For example, with Excel I may project my cashflow to have $1,000 to invest into bitcoin in the next 3 months at certain time frames, depending on bills and income; however, sometimes there will be unexpected flow of cash in or out, which will cause me to have to adjust the projection (frequently can have rippling effects of months in advance), yet in the end, it allows me to have some future security and to create my own priorities in terms of which investments are more important than others.  For example, eating, rent, utilities and a minimum level of monthly recreation do have higher priorities over my bitcoin investment because I never really want to be in a position to have to cash out my bitcoin because I have not adequately planned ahead.   

Also, currently, for me, bitcoin has a higher priority than some other investments that I may consider, and even a higher priority than creating some seemingly extra recreational expense, like maybe I really don't need that trip to Vegas.
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July 06, 2016, 08:53:59 PM

No. If anything, it would do the just the opposite, introduce an *inflationary* scenario. It is supposed to stimulate *buying*, and disincentivize "delayed gratification," e.g. keeping money in a bank.
Please take Econ 101 or read a book.

Too bad for you Jewish banking shills that negative interest rates had the exact opposite effect and caused people to save more instead of spend in order to offset negative yield.

For other lessons on the future of the world economy:

#1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1413819.msg15471618#msg15471618

#2  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1413819.msg15473998#msg15473998

how comes? people are losing money aka paying money to the bank to park their money there @negative interest rates.

lending money to spend is much much easier now. im smelling a return of 2007/2008.
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July 06, 2016, 09:52:09 PM

LOL I'm gonna laugh so hard when the price gradually goes down after halving.

People think it's just gonna shoot up on halving day lmao
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July 06, 2016, 10:05:08 PM

LOL I'm gonna laugh so hard when the price gradually goes down after halving.

People think it's just gonna shoot up on halving day lmao

Why would it gradually go down when the reduced supply of coins restricts the miners to only dumping half the coins they could beforehand? Most posts here expect a gradual increase in the price, not a huge price spike on halving day.
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LOL I'm gonna laugh so hard when the price gradually goes down after halving.

People think it's just gonna shoot up on halving day lmao

Why would it gradually go down when the reduced supply of coins restricts the miners to only dumping half the coins they could beforehand? Most posts here expect a gradual increase in the price, not a huge price spike on halving day.

Good thing major players don't understand how this price rise is a sure thing. More cheap coins for us!
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July 06, 2016, 10:35:34 PM

LOL I'm gonna laugh so hard when the price gradually goes down after halving.

People think it's just gonna shoot up on halving day lmao
it will most probably go down a little bit but i think that it will grow over time most probably
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Good thing major players don't understand how this price rise is a sure thing. More cheap coins for us!

A wise newbie you are.
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