Bitcoin Forum
May 02, 2024, 07:13:51 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Poll
Question: What happens first:
New ATH - 43 (69.4%)
<$60,000 - 19 (30.6%)
Total Voters: 62

Pages: « 1 ... 15614 15615 15616 15617 15618 15619 15620 15621 15622 15623 15624 15625 15626 15627 15628 15629 15630 15631 15632 15633 15634 15635 15636 15637 15638 15639 15640 15641 15642 15643 15644 15645 15646 15647 15648 15649 15650 15651 15652 15653 15654 15655 15656 15657 15658 15659 15660 15661 15662 15663 [15664] 15665 15666 15667 15668 15669 15670 15671 15672 15673 15674 15675 15676 15677 15678 15679 15680 15681 15682 15683 15684 15685 15686 15687 15688 15689 15690 15691 15692 15693 15694 15695 15696 15697 15698 15699 15700 15701 15702 15703 15704 15705 15706 15707 15708 15709 15710 15711 15712 15713 15714 ... 33316 »
  Print  
Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 26371031 times)
This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (174 posts by 3 users with 9 merit deleted.)
kobilica
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 280
Merit: 300


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 10:56:12 AM

http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/

6.14 blocks per hour, hashrate rising slightly ... so much BS FUD and failed doomer-mongering around the halving, what's the next propaganda meme they'll try bashing bitcoin with? ... every cheap shot and underhand trick they try only makes bitcoin more resilient , diminishing returns, soon it will be cheaper to just buy bitcoin and get on board, just like mining at some point it is more profitable to be an honest miner.

Dark side wants coins too  Wink


would be good if they could fuck off and leave us alone for one day ... take a holiday with all their multiple personalities sometime maybe? guys are just worthless parasites

I doubt they gained much this time, i remember huge sell offs and price didn't even moved.
1714677231
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1714677231

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1714677231
Reply with quote  #2

1714677231
Report to moderator
It is a common myth that Bitcoin is ruled by a majority of miners. This is not true. Bitcoin miners "vote" on the ordering of transactions, but that's all they do. They can't vote to change the network rules.
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
edgar
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1848
Merit: 1001


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 12:59:51 PM

is aztecmoaner dead?
Elwar
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3598
Merit: 2384


Viva Ut Vivas


View Profile WWW
July 10, 2016, 01:08:47 PM

what do you guys think about this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QL8fDEhjvw

made by deloitte.

Well, AOL was pretty successful for a short time. No reason private blockchains won't have some success too. Some people even still have aol email accounts.
elite3000
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1073
Merit: 1000


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 02:05:27 PM

what do you guys think about this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QL8fDEhjvw

made by deloitte.

Well, AOL was pretty successful for a short time. No reason private blockchains won't have some success too. Some people even still have aol email accounts.

AOL is quite a success in the USA.

I know in some countries they have been a failure, but AOL is far from being an almost dead enterprise.

And private blockchains seems like a paradox, considering that the nature of the blockchain is being decentralized. Maybe some technology inspired in the blockchain, but with some modifications. Gonna watch the video carefully when I have time

Andre#
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 737
Merit: 500


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 02:29:59 PM

I found this so fascinating, I quote it here in full.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-695#post-24393

----

Saw these two similar small-blocker articles that came out recently:

Why a 1MB Block Size May Be Right for Today's Bitcoin

and

Don't Increase the Block Size for Bitcoin Transactions

(Spoiler alert: the reason we can't increase the block size limit is ... "decentralization.") BTW, I think this is my favorite part:

Quote
The Bitcoin developers are experienced programmers and cryptographers, and they’re most certainly not ignorant of economics. They have spent years studying every line of the source code, developing new features, and understanding the economic ramifications of those changes. As much as you think you know about Bitcoin, these guys know and have considered more. You can have an hours-long conversation with someone like Peter Todd or Eric Lombrozo on things like UTXOs, Merkle Trees, Block Headers, or other dense topics.

Telling this select group of developers on why the blocksize should be raised is like lecturing Tom Brady on how to throw a football.​

There are no words.

Anyways, I've already written at length about why I think this basic argument is garbage, but I had a few additional thoughts I wanted to share. The small-blockists seem to assume that an increase in the block size limit always translates into a decrease in "decentralization" (however the hell that's defined). After thinking about it some more, I think there's an easy way to demonstrate pretty convincingly that this is false. More specifically, I think you can show that, at least for a block size limit below a certain threshold of "smallness," it is clear that increasing the limit will result in more "decentralization" (by any reasonable metric for "decentralization").

The first thing to note is that the "smallness" of a particular block size limit should be viewed as being relative to the amount of transactional demand that exists. (Thus, the 1-MB limit wasn't particularly "small" at the time it was put in place, but it is becoming increasingly "small" as transactional demand continues to grow.)

With that in mind, imagine a block size limit that would allow for only a single (non-Coinbase) transaction in each block. I don't know exactly how small that would be while still allowing for the Coinbase transaction and the basic block overhead (maybe 1.5 kb?), but it doesn't really matter for the point I want to make. The point is, we're talking about tiny blocks and a Bitcoin main chain that would allow for a maximum of about 50,000 transactions per year. Now imagine that transactional demand is simultaneously huge -- all 7 billion people on this planet are attempting to use the Bitcoin blockchain as the backbone for the global financial system. It should be pretty apparent that in this scenario, the Bitcoin ecosystem (if we assume for the moment that it could somehow survive under these absurd conditions) would be hugely "centralized." The LN would obviously be a complete non-starter. If the world's population formed a line to make a single on-chain transaction to open a LN payment channel, it would take us around 140,000 years to work our way through that line. That seems unworkable, no? I suppose you could imagine a traditional banking model built on top of the main chain, but clearly the only real use for the actual blockchain would be as a ridiculously-expensive interbank settlement network. Maybe the billionaires of the world could hold some of their wealth on-chain, but everyone else would never touch anything other than Bitcoin IOUs.

The goal of "decentralization" is supposedly "censorship resistance." The point behind my extreme example is that, at a certain point, attempts to guard against censorship effectively result in self-censorship. In other words, it makes no sense to try to protect Bitcoin against attacks ... by crippling its functionality. ("I know. If I cut off my arms and legs, I'll make for a smaller target.")

I'm sure the small-blockists would argue "well, but you're example is so extreme. Clearly at 1-MB we're above the 'threshold' you're referring to, such that further increases in the block size limit would result in decreased 'decentralization.'" Sorry, but no. First of all, of course my example is extreme. It's intended to be, because that can be a useful way of illustrating a principle. And no, it's not at all clear to me that we're "at a point on the curve" where increasing the limit would result in decreased "decentralization." (In fact, my strong intuition is that the opposite is true.) So... prove it.

I think my extreme example is also useful for highlighting the fact that the cost of running a full node, looked at in isolation, is obviously NOT a "reasonable metric for 'decentralization.'" It's ridiculously simplistic and one-dimensional. Just as an aside, the small blockists probably like this metric because it seems like the one that should unambiguously favor the conclusion that "smaller blocks = moar decentralization," but I think that's only necessarily true if you take a static view of things. To the extent that larger blocks and a non-crippled Bitcoin fuel much higher levels of adoption and make many more people want to run full nodes, that demand should incentivize more businesses to innovate to offer solutions that bring down the cost of doing so. (I admit that argument might not be entirely convincing to the extent that all or most of the costs associated with running a full node involve "off-the-shelf"-type components. In other words, there are presumably already huge incentives for entrepreneurs to bring down the costs of storage, bandwidth, etc. But in any case, I think it's still kind of interesting theoretically as a reminder of the importance not to view things from a static perspective.)

So what's the real takeaway from all this? I mean, who the hell knows where we're at "on the curve" and what the optimal block size limit is right now, i.e., the one that most perfectly balances all of the supposed tradeoffs? And who knows what it will be tomorrow since we have to keep in mind that we're dealing with a constantly-shifting target? I think the likely answer is: no one knows. Not even Gregory Maxwell, the Tom Brady of cryptocurrency. "When it is realized that the problem is impossible, the solution becomes simple." (Ok, I just made that quote up, but it sounds good.) What I mean is that the "solution" here is to stop treating the block size limit as a "hard-coded consensus parameter" and instead allow the limit to be determined via a flexible, emergent (and decentralized) manner by adopting a Bitcoin Unlimited-type approach.
Fatman3001
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1526
Merit: 1013


Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 02:49:19 PM

what do you guys think about this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QL8fDEhjvw

made by deloitte.

Well, AOL was pretty successful for a short time. No reason private blockchains won't have some success too. Some people even still have aol email accounts.

AOL is quite a success in the USA.

I know in some countries they have been a failure, but AOL is far from being an almost dead enterprise.

And private blockchains seems like a paradox, considering that the nature of the blockchain is being decentralized. Maybe some technology inspired in the blockchain, but with some modifications. Gonna watch the video carefully when I have time



The NXT team are working on its 2.0 iteration called Ardor. That will be able to deliver "private" decentralized blockchains as child chains.
Bitcoinstalker.com
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 28
Merit: 0


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 02:55:49 PM

.@Andre#, It's propaganda. Propaganda doesn't have to make sense, it only needs to work on its target demographic.
If the overall effect is positive (if it fosters desired beliefs in the target demographic), it's good. If not? It's bad.
It makes absolutely no difference if you and I cringe when we read it - we're not the target demographic.
Elwar
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3598
Merit: 2384


Viva Ut Vivas


View Profile WWW
July 10, 2016, 03:07:14 PM


How embarrassing. You posted a block size post in the Wall Observer thread instead of the Development section.

Happens to the best of us.
Fatman3001
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1526
Merit: 1013


Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 03:15:47 PM


How embarrassing. You posted a block size post in the Wall Observer thread instead of the Development section.

Happens to the best of us.

Some care about fundamentals.
Bitcoinstalker.com
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 28
Merit: 0


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 03:18:13 PM

^
Probably more than they care about AOL.
lemmyK
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 293
Merit: 250


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 03:44:03 PM

Probably they need more OL... Grin Cheesy
JimboToronto
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 4004
Merit: 4466


You're never too old to think young.


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 03:59:30 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland.

All that halving hoopla and the morning after, we're still going sideways.



Honey badger DGAF.  Cool
Mrpumperitis
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2730
Merit: 1075


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 04:46:19 PM

what do you guys think about this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QL8fDEhjvw

made by deloitte.

lol gd video, the intro sounds like Saw meets Matrix,lol
I remember hearing about Deloitte working with ETH and a few others recently...http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/deloitte-build-ethereum-based-digital-bank-new-york-citys-consensys-1557864
BlindMayorBitcorn
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1260
Merit: 1115



View Profile
July 10, 2016, 05:03:47 PM

.... To the extent that larger blocks and a non-crippled Bitcoin fuel much higher levels of adoption and make many more people want to run full nodes, that demand should incentivize more businesses to innovate to offer solutions that bring down the cost of doing so. ....

Sounds like a pipe dream to me.
funbarrel
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 394
Merit: 250

CryptoTalk.Org - Get Paid for every Post!


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 05:04:29 PM

on july 31st the price will be over 1000 dollars for sure, i think that we will reach a new all time high
hodl_2015
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 371
Merit: 57


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 05:21:02 PM

[...]
Blockchain. Blockchain. Blockchain.

*Cringe*
Every time a bank or something else is talking about the blockchain, you can be sure they are working on bitcoin and use the blockchain as a coverop. If they would really be interested in blockchains they would have said so 7 years ago. There is absolutely nothing new about blockchains 7 years later. the blockchain has not changed in any way, and anything financial should have know about it and looked into it about 6 years ago.
What is new is that bitcoin has grown up. If they are interested NOW, you can be sure that they are interested in bitcoin itself, as a currency. They may experiment with there own blockchains and there own alt-coins, saying it will improve the services for there customers (like they ever cared about that), but in the end they will go to the coin where money is to be made.
Mrpumperitis
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2730
Merit: 1075


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 05:44:36 PM

[...]
Blockchain. Blockchain. Blockchain.

*Cringe*
Every time a bank or something else is talking about the blockchain, you can be sure they are working on bitcoin and use the blockchain as a coverop. If they would really be interested in blockchains they would have said so 7 years ago. There is absolutely nothing new about blockchains 7 years later. the blockchain has not changed in any way, and anything financial should have know about it and looked into it about 6 years ago.
What is new is that bitcoin has grown up. If they are interested NOW, you can be sure that they are interested in bitcoin itself, as a currency. They may experiment with there own blockchains and there own alt-coins, saying it will improve the services for there customers (like they ever cared about that), but in the end they will go to the coin where money is to be made.
True
The banks current coins are dying ,lol ( fiat, unlimted supply ) now its a case of ...do banks add BTC ( could become the closest to the old Gold standard ) as another option or will people leave the banks shitcoins for BTC?
redsn0w
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1778
Merit: 1042


#Free market


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 05:47:50 PM

[...]
Blockchain. Blockchain. Blockchain.

*Cringe*
Every time a bank or something else is talking about the blockchain, you can be sure they are working on bitcoin and use the blockchain as a coverop. If they would really be interested in blockchains they would have said so 7 years ago. There is absolutely nothing new about blockchains 7 years later. the blockchain has not changed in any way, and anything financial should have know about it and looked into it about 6 years ago.
What is new is that bitcoin has grown up. If they are interested NOW, you can be sure that they are interested in bitcoin itself, as a currency. They may experiment with there own blockchains and there own alt-coins, saying it will improve the services for there customers (like they ever cared about that), but in the end they will go to the coin where money is to be made.
True
The banks current coins are dying ,lol ( fiat, unlimted supply ) now its a case of ...do banks add BTC ( could become the closest to the old Gold standard ) as another option or will people leave the banks shitcoins for BTC?


Dear banks, it's not about blockchain technology, it's about we don't want you controlling our money any more. ----- from reddit
BlindMayorBitcorn
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1260
Merit: 1115



View Profile
July 10, 2016, 05:48:40 PM

JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3710
Merit: 10196


Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


View Profile
July 10, 2016, 06:28:28 PM

I think we first go short, then long to a new highs... Smiley

Sounds like you are talking your book... There is no reason that we go short before we go long...

There have already been several downward attempts on the price, and sure you could be correct that there will be another one or that the next downward attempt (if there is one) will be successful, but certainly, you gotta be careful, at this point regarding how much you were to bet on downwards.
Pages: « 1 ... 15614 15615 15616 15617 15618 15619 15620 15621 15622 15623 15624 15625 15626 15627 15628 15629 15630 15631 15632 15633 15634 15635 15636 15637 15638 15639 15640 15641 15642 15643 15644 15645 15646 15647 15648 15649 15650 15651 15652 15653 15654 15655 15656 15657 15658 15659 15660 15661 15662 15663 [15664] 15665 15666 15667 15668 15669 15670 15671 15672 15673 15674 15675 15676 15677 15678 15679 15680 15681 15682 15683 15684 15685 15686 15687 15688 15689 15690 15691 15692 15693 15694 15695 15696 15697 15698 15699 15700 15701 15702 15703 15704 15705 15706 15707 15708 15709 15710 15711 15712 15713 15714 ... 33316 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!