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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 3 (3.8%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (1.3%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (2.5%)
$85K to $90K - 9 (11.3%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (15%)
$95K to $100K - 13 (16.3%)
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April 15, 2017, 06:48:10 PM

Positive in like a 2 months bearmarket?


When is this fucking bear market supposed to come?  Helrow?

We had a bear market from about the beginning of 2014 until nearly the end of 2015.. Times have changed.  Currently we are not in a bear market and have not yet come even close to converting into a bear market.

Now on the other hand, if prices dip below $800 and stay there, then I might begin to consider whether some kind of transformation might be taking place... Anywhere above $800 is certainly not a bear market.. and maybe even we might have to wait for below $600 before we really start to consider that a bear market might be taking place.

Zoom out a little bit York, especially if you are coming up with nonsensical thoughts about some kind of bear market in our present state of BTC prices and ongoing seemingly upwards price pressures.
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April 15, 2017, 06:58:23 PM

Positive in like a 2 months bearmarket?


When is this fucking bear market supposed to come?  Helrow?

We had a bear market from about the beginning of 2014 until nearly the end of 2015.. Times have changed.  Currently we are not in a bear market and have not yet come even close to converting into a bear market.

Now on the other hand, if prices dip below $800 and stay there, then I might begin to consider whether some kind of transformation might be taking place... Anywhere above $800 is certainly not a bear market.. and maybe even we might have to wait for below $600 before we really start to consider that a bear market might be taking place.

Zoom out a little bit York, especially if you are coming up with nonsensical thoughts about some kind of bear market in our present state of BTC prices and ongoing seemingly upwards price pressures.
just doesnt look bullish the last couple of weeks or months (march+april).  I think that this is quite bearish for bitcoin. Seems that you dont agree, what I understand because you talk about a larger timeframe. But you cant ignore the bearish news, indicators and the chart of the last 2 months. Of course when you look in a year perspective its bullish.
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April 15, 2017, 07:04:06 PM

just doesnt look bullish the last couple of weeks or months (march+april).

Hit a new all-time high. I'd say that's bullish.
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April 15, 2017, 07:13:19 PM

Positive in like a 2 months bearmarket?


When is this fucking bear market supposed to come?  Helrow?

We had a bear market from about the beginning of 2014 until nearly the end of 2015.. Times have changed.  Currently we are not in a bear market and have not yet come even close to converting into a bear market.

Now on the other hand, if prices dip below $800 and stay there, then I might begin to consider whether some kind of transformation might be taking place... Anywhere above $800 is certainly not a bear market.. and maybe even we might have to wait for below $600 before we really start to consider that a bear market might be taking place.

Zoom out a little bit York, especially if you are coming up with nonsensical thoughts about some kind of bear market in our present state of BTC prices and ongoing seemingly upwards price pressures.
just doesnt look bullish the last couple of weeks or months (march+april).  I think that this is quite bearish for bitcoin. Seems that you dont agree, what I understand because you talk about a larger timeframe. But you cant ignore the bearish news, indicators and the chart of the last 2 months. Of course when you look in a year perspective its bullish.


Since you seem to talk so much nonsense, I have difficulties giving you any kind of benefit of the doubt.

Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about?

When normal people use the term bear market or bull market, they are referring to longer term trends.. such as there was a bull market in bitcoin through much of 2013  and there was a bear market in bitcoin in 2014 and 2015 and then we returned to a bull market towards the end of 2015 - however, we did not necessarily know that we had returned to a bull market until several months after we were in it.


In other words, we are currently at the top of a price range and the price could go either way...

Even if prices correct 30% or more from here, we have not gone into a "bear market."  These are basic concepts and I am not trying to argue anything or trying to project my views upon you.

You should get your terms straight rather than throwing out concepts that are misleading.

For example, if you want to argue that the price is going to go down from here or sideways or that there is little likelihood for more upwards price movements, those are all fine and dandy assessments and fair game .. or you could even argue that you think that we are going to go into a bear market.. but really we are not going to know that we entered into a bear market until the price goes below some point that is quite lower than current prices .. for sure below $1000, but more likely would have to go below $800 or even $600, like I already mentioned before such price actions would rise to the level of a "bear market"
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April 15, 2017, 07:35:15 PM

just doesnt look bullish the last couple of weeks or months (march+april).

Hit a new all-time high. I'd say that's bullish.
After the 150$ dip bitcoin wasn't bearish anymore .. if you know what I mean
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April 15, 2017, 07:42:54 PM

Evening BTC friends - The Shadow Brokers are now on STEEMIT.COM! 30K VIEWS ALREADY!:

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April 15, 2017, 07:48:15 PM


they are russians?

PS I doubt they are real shadowbrockers
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April 15, 2017, 08:20:23 PM

just doesnt look bullish the last couple of weeks or months (march+april).

Hit a new all-time high. I'd say that's bullish.
After the 150$ dip bitcoin wasn't bearish anymore .. if you know what I mean
Yes I know what you mean but I an still in doubt. I keep holding tho.
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April 15, 2017, 10:17:03 PM

Sorry guys, we must wait a little more ...

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April 15, 2017, 11:06:52 PM

What in the hell is going on with Coinbase/GDAX right now?
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April 15, 2017, 11:13:44 PM

What in the hell is going on with Coinbase/GDAX right now?

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

It is called pre-announced scheduled maintenance.


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!
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April 15, 2017, 11:19:05 PM

What in the hell is going on with Coinbase/GDAX right now?

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

It is called pre-announced scheduled maintenance.


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!
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No, it's called a colossal fuck-up that resulted in a flash crash on GDAX.
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April 16, 2017, 12:08:25 AM

What in the hell is going on with Coinbase/GDAX right now?

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

It is called pre-announced scheduled maintenance.


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!
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No, it's called a colossal fuck-up that resulted in a flash crash on GDAX.

You seem to be exaggerating.

In this case, GDAX completely cleared its books - so when it came back online, there would have been no orders... and yes, I see that there appeared to have been some kind of selling all the way down to $.06..

Would have been nice to pick up a few BTC at those kinds of prices...

I would not call that a "colossal fuck-up." because they came back online as scheduled... the order situation seems to have been some kind of aberration based on a thin order book..
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April 16, 2017, 12:41:48 PM

$46 spread between Finex and Bitstamp.  I'm feeling a new Gox-like scandal incoming for Bitfinex.  Nobody should have been allowing that crooked exchange to lead the market in the first place.
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April 16, 2017, 12:44:11 PM

What in the hell is going on with Coinbase/GDAX right now?

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

It is called pre-announced scheduled maintenance.


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!
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No, it's called a colossal fuck-up that resulted in a flash crash on GDAX.

You seem to be exaggerating.

In this case, GDAX completely cleared its books - so when it came back online, there would have been no orders... and yes, I see that there appeared to have been some kind of selling all the way down to $.06..

Would have been nice to pick up a few BTC at those kinds of prices...

I would not call that a "colossal fuck-up." because they came back online as scheduled... the order situation seems to have been some kind of aberration based on a thin order book..

Except for the fact that they fucked up both 1broker and bitmex customers. Luckily for them their losses are going to be compensated by the owner from their pockets.
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April 16, 2017, 12:48:33 PM

Except for the fact that they fucked up both 1broker and bitmex customers. Luckily for them their losses are going to be compensated by the owner from their pockets.

If you're trading on a bucketshop, the term "victim" is usually more applicable than "customer".
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April 16, 2017, 01:37:09 PM

Bitstamp wants to dump but market still is shaping by bitfinex price.
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April 16, 2017, 04:22:23 PM

Bitstamp wants to dump but market still is shaping by bitfinex price.

Nope.

The fact that no one is following the Bearwhale on Stamp does not mean that Bitfinex is leading.  Sounds a bit ridiculous at worse and premature at best to conclude such.

It just means that no one is following the Bearwhale on Stamp.

In the end, I don't know how long it is going to take to resolve this ongoing situation of the bearwhale(s) on Stamp continuing to dump, and none of the other exchanges seem to be following.

In the last couple of days, we have had several dumps bring the price on Stamp from the $1180s to the lower $1160s and then a couple times to the lower $1140s and then twice (in the past 4 hours ) to the lower $1150s .

It's like everyone else is continuing to ignore the Stamp dumps, and maybe the bearwhale on Stamp happens to be much too small - and if such bearwhale was bigger (s/he) could put some coins on other exchanges and coordinate such a dump in order that other exchanges might follow. In the meantime, such Stamp bearwhale is likely losing a lot of money, if no one is following or if no one follows in the end.

In the end, I do not know what is going to happen, because sometimes such dumps seem to be unsuccessful, at first, but in the end, they result in the rest of the market to follow... a kind of continued eating a way at buy support.. but if no one else agrees to dump, then sometimes it just emboldens buyers to buy, then the Stamp dumps increasingly lose credibility and the buyers end up pushing the price back upwards.

I remain a bit torn in my thinking about which way the whole market will end up going in the short term, but as I type this post, I also remain a bit inclined to consider this matter as most likely resolving against the Bitstamp whale.. which means we are going to go up - at least in terms of the Stampwhale getting on board with the rest of the exchanges.. ..

It still remains too early to see exactly how the situation will play out, but the bitstamp whale(s) is (are) the ones that are most out of line at the moment. 

Further, I do appreciate that there was more than one point in which there was nearly a $70 difference between Bitfinex and Stamp.. .. and yeah, that is crazy that the Bitstamp whale(s) were dumping into the  lower  $1140s while the Bitfinex whale(s) were pumping into the upper $1210s.
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April 16, 2017, 04:29:16 PM

looks to me like another explanation is possible?

just bitfinex being way higher than all the others implies some kind of Gox 2.0.

weird that this doesn't seem to be being talked about?

i saw some posts on reddit a few days ago from people asking finex to prove their solvency?

anyone care to throw in their 2 sense?
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April 16, 2017, 04:33:42 PM

-snip-

what do you think about this:
- bitfinex fiat withdrawals are disabled
- people fear Gox specially with everyone repeating it online
- so they cancel fiat withdrawal and buy up bitcoin on bitfinex (price goes up)
- they withdraw bitcoin to other places (mostly bitstamp) and dump there (price goes down there)
- they withdraw their fiat out of fear.

this is more buy pressure on bitfinex and more sell pressure on stamp.
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