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[YamashitaRen]

Some stop orders got rekt on Finex. Now we're back to parity with Stamp

[bitserve]

If a majority of those 90%+ hashrate signaling for Segwit2X

Only 16% do this.






16%, it's 1 pool ... not hard to identify, for sure.

What are you talking about?

Segwit2x (intention) is at 90.4% BTC hashrate signaling for it.

[savetherainforest]

Some stop orders got rekt on Finex. Now we're back to parity with Stamp

Yep... that was funny to watch. These mofos not understanding they are standing on a brick wall that is laid down on a concrete wall and hard dense gravel under it. The ground is very stable, 4k for now is the lowest point of value in bitcoin history! The only way is up! I'm waiting to sell a bit on 5.8k, 6.5k, 7k or 8k .. dunno where exactly the next correction for the pump will be. Lets wait and see where it goes.

[Meuh6879]

Segwit2x (intention) is at 90.4% BTC hashrate signaling for it.

4 blocks = 20000000 = Bitcoin Core (no SegWit)
18 blocks = 20000012 = Segwit2x (Bitcoin BTC1)
122 blocks = 20000002 = Segwit (Bitcoin Core)

https://xbt.eu/ (144 blocks)

[Torque]

Well fellas, get ready for some fun in the next two weeks.

Tomorrow is a solar eclipse.

It's also the day that President Trump announces that we're back into the war game in Afghanistan. A build up of troops and more airstrikes likely. This has secretly been in the planning for months and months by the Deep State. But make no mistake, this is really the precursor to war in the Asia Pacific. Can't have all that pesky surplus oil just sitting around stockpiled in tankers everywhere... gotta burn it somehow.
"When all else fails [to stimulate the economy], you take 'em to war."

Gold market is showing signs of shorts exiting positions.

U.S. Stock market is overheated and showing signs of exhaustion.

U.S. govt about to hit the debt ceiling.... again.

Hedge Funds moving into bitcoin through LedgerX come on line in Sept.

Things are heating up fast. Anything can happen in the coming months.

Hold HODL on to your butts bitcoin!

[bitserve]

Segwit2x (intention) is at 90.4% BTC hashrate signaling for it.

4 blocks = 20000000 = Bitcoin Core (no SegWit)
18 blocks = 20000012 = Segwit2x (Bitcoin BTC1)
122 blocks = 20000002 = Segwit (Bitcoin Core)

https://xbt.eu/ (144 blocks)

Really, this is absurd, just look the second BAR, the one that says "NYA" (New York Agreement=Segwit2X) and how it is at 90%+.

20000002 is NYA/Segwit2X.... Just look at the header text of the blocks.
20000012 is maybe BU

[bones261]

Segwit2x (intention) is at 90.4% BTC hashrate signaling for it.

4 blocks = 20000000 = Bitcoin Core (no SegWit)
18 blocks = 20000012 = Segwit2x (Bitcoin BTC1)
122 blocks = 20000002 = Segwit (Bitcoin Core)

https://xbt.eu/ (144 blocks)

Really, this is absurd, just look the second BAR, the one that says "NYA" (New York Agreement=Segwit2X) and how it is at 90%+.

They are signaling, but they are not running the actual software. In order to implement the 2x portion, the pool will be needing to run version 20000012.

[bitserve]

Segwit2x (intention) is at 90.4% BTC hashrate signaling for it.

4 blocks = 20000000 = Bitcoin Core (no SegWit)
18 blocks = 20000012 = Segwit2x (Bitcoin BTC1)
122 blocks = 20000002 = Segwit (Bitcoin Core)

https://xbt.eu/ (144 blocks)

Really, this is absurd, just look the second BAR, the one that says "NYA" (New York Agreement=Segwit2X) and how it is at 90%+.

The are signaling, but they are not running the actual software. In order to implement the 2x portion, the pool will be needing to run version 20000012.

Maybe that is because there is no need to do it now, there are still some months for testing, etc....
They are signaling their intention to go on with the agreement.

[bones261]

Maybe that is because there is no need to do it now, there are still some months for testing, etc....
They are signaling their intention to go on with the agreement.

We'll see. I would hope the big players will see what a mess this will cause and have a get together, this time with Core developers. That's what they did with the UASF threat when they cooked up Segwit2x (except with the Core team this time.). Or the btc1 developers can implement some robust replay protection, and they can just go fork off. Maybe they'll actually win, and Core will be vanquished on a minority chain...

[JayJuanGee]

They don't need to run btc1. It's just a simple patch to core code.

They don't need to keep signaling anymore. If they keep doing it, it needs to be interpreted as their intention to follow on with the agreement. In this case with the 2x part of it.

It's not because they "signaled" it... it is because the keep signaling it now.

What other interpretation would be possible for their signaling now?

Trying to play chicken with the Core team to get them to agree to Segwit2x agreement even if no one from the Core team was there to be party to the agreement. I think the big blockers will be the ones to pull off to the side come early November.

Well, CORE should not try to play chiking with 90%+ of the hasrate. If they do, maybe this time it won't end good.

P.S.: And I am pro-CORE. But everything has limits....

This is not new, and it is not new that you keep proclaiming your support for core while at the same time trying to act as if the nutjob bigblockers are acting reasonable with their ongoing upping of the ante in their blackmailing and terrorist efforts. 

The big blocker nutjobs are not reasonable, they just are attempting to become more and more creative and more and more severe in what they are willing to try in order to attack bitcoin (while acting as if they are pro-bitcoin).. ... ongoing talking out of both sides.

[jojo69]

Well fellas, get ready for some fun in the next two weeks.

Tomorrow is a solar eclipse.

It's also the day that President Trump announces that we're back into the war game in Afghanistan. A build up of troops and more airstrikes likely. This has secretly been in the planning for months and months by the Deep State. But make no mistake, this is really the precursor to war in the Asia Pacific. Can't have all that pesky surplus oil just sitting around stockpiled in tankers everywhere... gotta burn it somehow.
"When all else fails [to stimulate the economy], you take 'em to war."

Gold market is showing signs of shorts exiting positions.

U.S. Stock market is overheated and showing signs of exhaustion.

U.S. govt about to hit the debt ceiling.... again.

Hedge Funds moving into bitcoin through LedgerX come on line in Sept.

Things are heating up fast. Anything can happen in the coming months.

Hold HODL on to your butts bitcoin!

right now rhymes with 1913/1914 more closely than I would like, I am not at all sure that adults are in charge of the ship here

[bitserve]

Well, CORE should not try to play chiking with 90%+ of the hasrate. If they do, maybe this time it won't end good.

P.S.: And I am pro-CORE. But everything has limits....

This is not new, and it is not new that you keep proclaiming your support for core while at the same time trying to act as if the nutjob bigblockers are acting reasonable with their ongoing upping of the ante in their blackmailing and terrorist efforts. 

The big blocker nutjobs are not reasonable, they just are attempting to become more and more creative and more and more severe in what they are willing to try in order to attack bitcoin (while acting as if they are pro-bitcoin).. ... ongoing talking out of both sides.

No, the bigblockers are not acting reasonably at all. BU was a joke. BCH is another joke and an attack to Bitcoin (unless they recognise it just an unrelated altcoin, which some of them doesn't).

But the Segwit2X agreement is somewhat reasonable and feasible.

So maybe I am expecting that CORE put this to a fucking end with a very simple change that will be needed soon anyways?

I don't think this is a change so critical that both camps need to keep the finger over the "mutual destruction" button. And that is exactly what they are doing now.

[marcus_of_augustus]

But the Segwit2X agreement is somewhat reasonable and feasible.

So maybe I am expecting that CORE put this to a fucking end with a very simple change that will be needed soon anyways?

I don't think this is a change so critical that both camps need to keep the finger over the "mutual destruction" button. And that is exactly what they are doing now.

You're wrong, core owes you nothing. Stop acting like a whiny bitch who is not getting extra ice-cream all over your face. There is only one side making threats of destruction and it is not core. Core are basically a group of volunteers, not your paid servants that you can shit on any time you're feeling upset. I doubt you know shit about software security systems but you expect to know what is a "reasonable position" for fundamental protocol changes to the bitcoin distributed network. Sometimes people have to know their limitations and when it is time to shut the fuck up. Your time is now you idiot.

A hardfork needs to be well-thought out and the opportunity to clean up a lot of legacy technical debt is the wisest course of action. It will need significant testing and long advance notice, probably 12-18 months for all the older operational nodes. Core has always said that there will be a hardfork and an algorithm to increase blocksize would be implemented at that time, just not tonight dear. This is an operational $60 billion financial clearing and monetary security system, not something you can just tinker with next time you have a panic desperation anxiety attack that your technical opinion is becoming irrelevant.

[Paashaas]

Roger Ver, Bitmain and r/btc r/BCash bigblockers are the most disgusting retards in the entire Bitcoin community.

Those cheap hostile take-overs are pure cancer, however Bitcoin is becomming more stronger and immume after that.

Great times ahead when we get Segwit witin 2 days, no more bullshit.

[cAPSLOCK]

But the Segwit2X agreement is somewhat reasonable and feasible.

So maybe I am expecting that CORE put this to a fucking end with a very simple change that will be needed soon anyways?

I don't think this is a change so critical that both camps need to keep the finger over the "mutual destruction" button. And that is exactly what they are doing now.

You're wrong, core owes you nothing. Stop acting like a whiny bitch who is not getting extra ice-cream all over your face. There is only one side making threats of destruction and it is not core. Core are basically a group of volunteers, not your paid servants that you can shit on any time you're feeling upset. I doubt you know shit about software security systems but you expect to know what is a "reasonable position" for fundamental protocol changes to the bitcoin distributed network. Sometimes people have to know their limitations and when it is time to shut the fuck up. Your time is now you idiot.

A hardfork needs to be well-thought out and the opportunity to clean up a lot of legacy technical debt is the wisest course of action. It will need significant testing and long advance notice, probably 12-18 months for all the older operational nodes. Core has always said that there will be a hardfork and an algorithm to increase blocksize would be implemented at that time, just not tonight dear. This is an operational $60 billion financial clearing and monetary security system, not something you can just tinker with next time you have a panic desperation anxiety attack that your technical opinion is becoming irrelevant.

Harsh.  But truth.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Tough but fair. I lol'ed.

[bitserve]

But the Segwit2X agreement is somewhat reasonable and feasible.

So maybe I am expecting that CORE put this to a fucking end with a very simple change that will be needed soon anyways?

I don't think this is a change so critical that both camps need to keep the finger over the "mutual destruction" button. And that is exactly what they are doing now.

You're wrong, core owes you nothing. Stop acting like a whiny bitch who is not getting extra ice-cream all over your face. There is only one side making threats of destruction and it is not core. Core are basically a group of volunteers, not your paid servants that you can shit on any time you're feeling upset. I doubt you know shit about software security systems but you expect to know what is a "reasonable position" for fundamental protocol changes to the bitcoin distributed network. Sometimes people have to know their limitations and when it is time to shut the fuck up. Your time is now you idiot.

Look who's whining here. If you want to derail the discussion with personal attacks and projecting things that not only have I never said nor even implied, it's up to you.

If you have, somehow, felt attacked or uncomfortable with my opinion, my apologizes. It wasn't my intention to upset you.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Moral indignation is just his style.

[jojo69]

But the Segwit2X agreement is somewhat reasonable and feasible.

So maybe I am expecting that CORE put this to a fucking end with a very simple change that will be needed soon anyways?

I don't think this is a change so critical that both camps need to keep the finger over the "mutual destruction" button. And that is exactly what they are doing now.

You're wrong, core owes you nothing. Stop acting like a whiny bitch who is not getting extra ice-cream all over your face. There is only one side making threats of destruction and it is not core. Core are basically a group of volunteers, not your paid servants that you can shit on any time you're feeling upset. I doubt you know shit about software security systems but you expect to know what is a "reasonable position" for fundamental protocol changes to the bitcoin distributed network. Sometimes people have to know their limitations and when it is time to shut the fuck up. Your time is now you idiot.

A hardfork needs to be well-thought out and the opportunity to clean up a lot of legacy technical debt is the wisest course of action. It will need significant testing and long advance notice, probably 12-18 months for all the older operational nodes. Core has always said that there will be a hardfork and an algorithm to increase blocksize would be implemented at that time, just not tonight dear. This is an operational $60 billion financial clearing and monetary security system, not something you can just tinker with next time you have a panic desperation anxiety attack that your technical opinion is becoming irrelevant.

post of the week

[JayJuanGee]

Well, CORE should not try to play chiking with 90%+ of the hasrate. If they do, maybe this time it won't end good.

P.S.: And I am pro-CORE. But everything has limits....

This is not new, and it is not new that you keep proclaiming your support for core while at the same time trying to act as if the nutjob bigblockers are acting reasonable with their ongoing upping of the ante in their blackmailing and terrorist efforts.  

The big blocker nutjobs are not reasonable, they just are attempting to become more and more creative and more and more severe in what they are willing to try in order to attack bitcoin (while acting as if they are pro-bitcoin).. ... ongoing talking out of both sides.

No, the bigblockers are not acting reasonably at all. BU was a joke. BCH is another joke and an attack to Bitcoin (unless they recognise it just an unrelated altcoin, which some of them doesn't).

But the Segwit2X agreement is somewhat reasonable and feasible.

So maybe I am expecting that CORE put this to a fucking end with a very simple change that will be needed soon anyways?

I don't think this is a change so critical that both camps need to keep the finger over the "mutual destruction" button. And that is exactly what they are doing now.

O.k.  Well maybe this whole argument boils down to whether segwit2x is reasonable and feasible, and your mere assertion that it is does not mean that it is.

No one is saying "no" to the 2x part - however, they are saying "no" to the stupid ass and untested timeline.

So let's get the fuck on with the segwit part of the agreement (the part that almost anyone that is anyone agrees upon) and see how it plays out before getting ahead of ourselves.   So yeah, maybe a few years down the road, there may be a need for the 2x part (possibly sooner, but I doubt it)

Currently, there is no real justification for the 2x part, except for a bunch of whiners (and seemingly you too) asserting that it is logical and reasonable (and supposedly feasible in your phraseology) and there is absolutely no evidence to support that it is either needed or that it will not create more problems than it supposedly resolves.

So, yeah, down the road there might be some reason for the 2x part, but we are a whole hell-of-a long way from any kind of justification for going down that path, and you are seeming disingenuous to still be acting as if the big blocker nutjobs really believe that there is some kind of a technical justification for the 2x part of segwit2x and for the timeline that they are unreasonably and prematurely whining for.

Edit- After I posted, I see that marcus beat me to the essence of my post.. and more succinctly too.