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September 10, 2017, 05:53:06 AM

Might need to spend the day getting the last of my B*CH over to bitcoins while they still have any value.

I have yet to do it too. Does anyone have the easiest way to do it from paper wallets?

Yep

1 - Make a new paper wallet
2 - Transfer BTC to new paper wallet
3 - Download and install Coinomi wallet for android
4 - Click on +coins
5 - Add new BCash wallet
6 - Click on sweep wallet
7 - Enter Private key of OLD paper wallet (the one with Bcrash)
8 - Send Bcrash to exchange
9 - Wait for next pump
10 - DUMP

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Why waste an android device with your operation?

Better use a live linux system or virtual machine then destroy it after you dumped the Bitcoin Cash
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September 10, 2017, 05:57:35 AM

Might need to spend the day getting the last of my B*CH over to bitcoins while they still have any value.

I have yet to do it too. Does anyone have the easiest way to do it from paper wallets?

Yep

1 - Make a new paper wallet
2 - Transfer BTC to new paper wallet
3 - Download and install Coinomi wallet for android
4 - Click on +coins
5 - Add new BCash wallet
6 - Click on sweep wallet
7 - Enter Private key of OLD paper wallet (the one with Bcrash)
8 - Send Bcrash to exchange
9 - Wait for next pump
10 - DUMP

 Grin Grin


Why waste an android device with your operation?

Better use a live linux system or virtual machine then destroy it after you dumped the Bitcoin Cash

Well because an android device is probably more readily available to most people than a linux system, also I really dont think the coinomi app is going to compromise your phone in any meaningful way. Plus probably should not have too much info on a phone anyway.

Also this is the easiest way compared to installing linux etc and that was what was requested.

But sure your way is safer but how safe do we need to be?  Wink
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September 10, 2017, 06:19:36 AM

A Tokyo-listed company is spending over $300 million to get into bitcoin mining
https://qz.com/1071926/japans-gmo-internet-group-plans-a-300-million-investment-in-bitcoin-mining/
It is seriously time to get rid of Jihan & co.

46 companies in the bitcoin ecosystem, including some of the most relevant, have indicated their support for segwit2x:
Which represents, according to other metrics, less than 5% of the userbase consensus. Keep drinking the kool-aid and centralize your own altcoin if you want. I'll stay with the real Bitcoin. You know, the one that isn't controlled by corporations? Kiss

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Bitcoin, coming up next 🚀 SegWit effect 🚀 Lightning in action 🚀 Free S2X tokens 🚀 Schnorr 🚀 MAST 🚀 ETF approval🚀 More users 🚀 ...
It should probably not say Schnorr but rather signature aggregation, but I'll go with it. Cheesy Post: https://twitter.com/benvh/status/905805434552012802.

Meanwhile, honeybadger does not care about their upcoming attack on the Bitcoin network. Up we go.

To the Moon.

BCH, not so much.


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September 10, 2017, 07:06:35 AM

Bloodbath#chainsaw massacre# red cliff#suicide squads# selling fools# World war BTC# red morning ...........
Btc hodl boss in here  Smiley  Grin.           
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September 10, 2017, 07:12:31 AM

its still a minor correction. but it looks like we will have finally long red weekly candle.
Ill try to catch the bottom this time, but its hard to tell how deep it can be


Sure, there are decent chances that this week's candle will be red. 

I think that we have about 24 hours before this week's candle closes, and I think that it has to close above $4550 in order for the candle to be green.  Something like that.

On the other hand, you are talking nonsense, if you are suggesting that some kind of continued correction is inevitable.  Pure nonsense, and wishful thinking too.   Cheesy Cheesy    Tongue
If you look at the past there were not many periods with so many consequent green weekly candles of such magnitude as in the recent rally. Its likely due to happen this month.
continued correction, maybe only for few weeks. but i still see this as a bull market. IMO It would take many weeks of consolidation around here before it could turn down bearish for longer period. If it drops sharply, it will likely rise back fast.
wishful thinking..maybe Smiley i want to buy cheaper than i sold them  Undecided
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September 10, 2017, 07:27:43 AM


China banning crypto exchanges was a huge blow.

With Japan investing millions & millions of Yen & South Korea investing tons of Won, BTC will correct in no time.

The world saw it break $5K (in Asia's inflated markets, reminiscent of Mt. Gox), so there's no doubt it can hit that again.

Now is an excellent time to buy BTC.

I'm sure the Chinese will continue to find ways to profit off of the huge BTC mining infrastructures & exchanges they have built, by moving them or selling them.

Maybe there will be massive unloading of hardware at discount, although the promise of new monster ASICS has been made.

I just wish I had more $ to buy BTC.  I'm looking forward to dumping my BCH forBTC as well.

When exchanges like CoinBase finally credit the BCH to their account holders, there will probably be more dumping of BCH & more buying of BTC.





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September 10, 2017, 07:28:03 AM

Very good Dotto. Very good.
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September 10, 2017, 07:54:00 AM

Why people saying that the price should be 3800??
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IDK whom you're referring to.

Even FORBES predicted $5K.
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IDK whom you're referring to.

Even FORBES predicted $5K.
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September 10, 2017, 08:18:27 AM

O.k.  But does the fact that there are a lot of newbies who are being taken advantage of change any analysis.

I haven't observed the market long enough to draw definitive conclusions but the lack of trading experience of the many small  investors seems to make it easier for the pros to make their moves which makes to the price & volume action look as if taken from a manual of TA principles, particularly on the shorter time frames (1 to 15 minutes).  For those versed in TA this becomes an advantage if they trade on these short frames, as the pros moves become easier to read and anticipate.


 

Don't try to act as if you are the first person coming to this space and applying TA.  There are all kinds of attempts at TA, and I am not discounting TA in its entirety, that's for sure.  So yeah, some people use technical, and some people couch it with appropriate grains of salt, including considering exponential s-curve factors, metcalfe principles and the level of maturity of bitcoin as compared to various other markets... accounting for fundamentals and ta.

You are sure right and I didn't mean to imply I was the first one, sorry if I gave that impression





To conclude, based on Fibonacci and Elliot,  I think BTC is undergoing a correction within an uptrend, that will resume once the correction is done.   I think this correction will reach down to about 3800 USD  as a minimum and 2800 USD as a maximum  and extend itself over 3-10 trading days depending on how deep it will reach.  A break over 4670 USD in strong volumes would invalidate my hypothesis.

That is a fairly reasonable way of rephrasing your proposition, and I have no real problems with that - even if I might assign differing probabilities and even have slightly different targets.

My targets are also slightly different, I mean I didn't set buy orders at round figures...  one problem, though, with setting targets at very specific levels clearly identified by previous support/resistance level, trend lines, fibonacci levels, etc.  is  that the pros know them all too well and chances are they are going to spin the market around these marks very very fast, making it difficult for people to enter/exit the market at these specific and very precise levels.   My suggestion is to identify the levels and then give it some leeway in setting your buy/sell orders  erring on the side of caution to make sure your trades are executed.



Do you concede that we appear to be in a bull market and there is a pretty decent likelihood that we will continue in a bull market, in spite of possible shorter term corrections.

Actually, even currently, it is seeming like it could be difficult to break below $4k, so even reaching your upper side of a low of $3800 could be a bit of a struggle.. but surely not impossible... I am currently thinking that maybe 40% odds of reaching down to $3800... even though if we break below $4100 then the odds of going to $3800 become greater and may even become closer to 50/50 at that point, if we were to reach it.. but we have to reach it, first, no?


I concede we are in a bull market and I believe we are just undergoing a correction.  Whether this is an ABC correction (3 steps Eliot wave) or proper impulse wave (5 steps) down - that temporarily inverts the trend -   remains to be seen. In the first case I think the target is  around 3800-3700 USD,  in the second case around 2800-3000 USD. I'm unsure about the odds, but at the moment I see a slightly higher probability this is just an ABC correction, precisely because the underlaying bullish sentiment is so strong.  Sooner or later however there will be a deeper correction that will retrace to at least -61,8% Fibonacci level of whatever upleg it will follow, meaning, for those not versed in TA jargon, that 2/3 of previous gains will be wiped out.



This is what I am going to do and, of course, I might be wrong and I will pay the price of errors


Of course, you can do what you want, and I personally don't bet too heavily in any direction - I play in a kind of incrementalist methodology that has been extremely profitable, and sure it is possible that there are ways that I could have made way more money, but incrementalism seems to work pretty well, including NOT betting too much at any one time regarding whether one direction is more likely than another (except maybe some tweaking, here and there, on the edges).
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I agree, incrementalism is in the long term the safest - and often also the most profitable - way to proceed  unless you are very very confident to have nailed a long term bottom or top  at  which to take your position  and times proves to be have  been right.  I stress the fact that these tops or bottoms have to be long term, to be seen on weekly or monthly time frames.  These opportunities do not come around often.  If you don't see one coming your way already, then incrementalism is definitely the best option.
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September 10, 2017, 08:57:41 AM

Why people saying that the price should be 3800??

Because they want to buy for a cheaper price. Either because they sold, took some profit and want to reload those sold coins and they just want to accumulate more. Corrections during sharp upwards movement are good. We had a pretty good run so far this year. Right now it looks we continue consolidating in the 4000-4500 area and the a new ath close to 5k was just a short breakout.
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September 10, 2017, 10:36:24 AM

it's probably embarrassment

I just woke up 15mn ago and see your picture, You made my Sunday,  thank you.

No clue about Chinese government, its so long time they harass us.
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September 10, 2017, 10:39:39 AM

Most welcome. Grin
Looks like Chinese govt ran into the Bitcoin Resistance.

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September 10, 2017, 10:41:19 AM

Why people saying that the price should be 3800??
Fibonacci extension based reasoning.
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September 10, 2017, 10:44:16 AM



China have a problem ...
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September 10, 2017, 10:47:23 AM

I think TA is like astrology - 50/50 chances Smiley
I tried it on an AI model, by applying TA (on normal stocks), I could increase my success rate by 20% sometimes, nothing more.
Unless someone can point me that TA clearly predicted the Chinese ban news...
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September 10, 2017, 10:47:35 AM

Panic sell because China banned Bitcoin is so 2014, when will people learn?
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