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December 21, 2017, 09:13:55 PM

If by "shill" you mean someone who has volunteered thousands of hours and years of my life to help grow Bitcoin into a global peer-to-peer electronic cash system, then here are some of the ways I've "shilled":

1. In 2014, I developed the first ECDSA signing tool capable of signing Bitcoin transactions offline over an air-gap by drawing power from the NFC field [video].

2. In 2015, I co-founded (and still co-manage) the first peer-reviewed scholarly journal for Bitcoin and blockchain research, Ledger.  

3. Also in 2015, I did research to demonstrate that a transaction fee market would exist without a block size limit [paper] [video]

4. In 2016, I co-founded Bitcoin Unlimited, which is now a $10 million+ organization that supports Bitcoin research and outreach across the world.

5. Also in 2016, I did research to show that with subchains, bitcoin's transaction capacity could be increased while also providing faster TX verification by miners to users [paper] [video]

6. In 2017, I demonstrated a security weakness in segregated witness [video]

7. Also in 2017, I spearheaded the launch of the $3 million "Gigablock Testnet Initiative" and presented our initial result in Stanford [video]

I have done all this to date as a volunteer because I love bitcoin and hope to see it change the world for the better.  

Roger Ver's CV is a lot better Smiley
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December 21, 2017, 09:15:44 PM

If by "shill" you mean someone who has volunteered thousands of hours and years of my life to help grow Bitcoin into a global peer-to-peer electronic cash system, then here are some of the ways I've "shilled":

1. In 2014, I I I I I I I I I ad nauseum


Clinical narcissists tend to overuse the words "I" and "my" in their ramblings because they tend to self-reference alot. You managed to cram it in no less than 10 times.

Please go seek some help.


Sure, I'm proud of what I've accomplished; I'll admit to that.  

But the point I was trying to get across is that calling me a "shill" is pretty silly when I've clearly worked very hard to help grow Bitcoin for the last several years, as I just demonstrated.  

From my perspective today, we have two visions of "Bitcoin" competing with each other:

1. BTC is digital gold to be held and not spent; friction is a feature.

2. BCH is peer-to-peer electronic cash with low fees and reliable confirmations.

Both are achieving their "visions" right now. Let's continue to watch the experiment unfold and see which the market comes to prefer.

Only one of these is achieving their "vision" through ASIC exploits, mining cartels, spamalot, insider trading, and downright petty tyranny.

"BCash, BCash, Beeecash"
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December 21, 2017, 09:15:53 PM

NICE. Instant classic:

https://youtu.be/UG7zLhEWanc

Remy - Bitcoin Billionaire

"Opposing forks like a Chinese restaurant" haha

out   standing   !
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December 21, 2017, 09:16:10 PM

Peter - answer the question:  who does Jihan Wu report to?

Rumor has it PBoC has him punch a timecard every morning.
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December 21, 2017, 09:16:50 PM

I actually noticed back in my days at university that the academics who used "I" in their talks instead of "we" or "one" tended to be a complete waste of attention (with very few exceptions). May or may not be related.

Completely related.

Blowhards that are haughty and full of themselves. They overestimate their own intellect, skills, and importance in the world.

Deep down inside they are completely insecure and miserable.
This was my experience as well. As a student it wasn't even possible to ask questions in a friendly discourse without seeing those people heavily offended due to their lack of an answer. Meanwhile the "we/one" camp just either outright said they had no obvious answer or at least tried to provide some possible angles to tackle the questions from, while clearly indicating that they aren't sure. And here I used to believe that university was about honest intellectual discourse before I got there, but oh well.
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December 21, 2017, 09:17:22 PM

If by "shill" you mean someone who has volunteered thousands of hours and years of my life to help grow Bitcoin into a global peer-to-peer electronic cash system, then here are some of the ways I've "shilled":

1. In 2014, I developed the first ECDSA signing tool capable of signing Bitcoin transactions offline over an air-gap by drawing power from the NFC field [video].

2. In 2015, I co-founded (and still co-manage) the first peer-reviewed scholarly journal for Bitcoin and blockchain research, Ledger.  

3. Also in 2015, I did research to demonstrate that a transaction fee market would exist without a block size limit [paper] [video]

4. In 2016, I co-founded Bitcoin Unlimited, which is now a $10 million+ organization that supports Bitcoin research and outreach across the world.

5. Also in 2016, I did research to show that with subchains, bitcoin's transaction capacity could be increased while also providing faster TX verification by miners to users [paper] [video]

6. In 2017, I demonstrated a security weakness in segregated witness [video]

7. Also in 2017, I spearheaded the launch of the $3 million "Gigablock Testnet Initiative" and presented our initial result in Stanford [video]

I have done all this to date as a volunteer because I love bitcoin and hope to see it change the world for the better.  

Roger Ver's CV is a lot better Smiley
Can't beat some good old jailtime.
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December 21, 2017, 09:17:40 PM

Peter - answer the question:  who does Jihan Wu report to?

Putin!

No, wait,  that's Vitalik...
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December 21, 2017, 09:18:07 PM

hope to see it change the world for the better.

hoping to change the world while being paid to do a job (money first, world second)

would you still of done it if you were not being paid?


In the same sentence that I said I wanted to see bitcoin change the world for the better I stated that I worked on bitcoin as a volunteer.  As a volunteer, I do not get paid (although I've seen significant gains on my BTC+BCH holdings).  

I have done all this to date as a volunteer because I love bitcoin and hope to see it change the world for the better.  
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December 21, 2017, 09:19:42 PM

I actually noticed back in my days at university that the academics who used "I" in their talks instead of "we" or "one" tended to be a complete waste of attention (with very few exceptions). May or may not be related.

Completely related.

Blowhards that are haughty and full of themselves. They overestimate their own intellect, skills, and importance in the world.

Deep down inside they are completely insecure and miserable.

And that explains their love for VerWu shit. It has leaders they can follow to compensate for their own insecurity and lack of initiative. Give them a leader... . And they will follow...
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December 21, 2017, 09:20:12 PM


[ ... ]

I have done all this to date as a volunteer because I love bitcoin and hope to see it change the world for the better.  

Do you honestly think that the motives of Jihan Wu and Roger Ver are to change the world for the better? Really? Have you followed their actions and their modus operandi? And you have decided to side with them and support Bcash? If that is true, then I'm afraid you are self-disrespecting your own achievements. It's sad, really...
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December 21, 2017, 09:20:37 PM

If by "shill" you mean someone who has volunteered thousands of hours and years of my life to help grow Bitcoin into a global peer-to-peer electronic cash system, then here are some of the ways I've "shilled":

1. In 2014, I developed the first ECDSA signing tool capable of signing Bitcoin transactions offline over an air-gap by drawing power from the NFC field [video].

2. In 2015, I co-founded (and still co-manage) the first peer-reviewed scholarly journal for Bitcoin and blockchain research, Ledger.  

3. Also in 2015, I did research to demonstrate that a transaction fee market would exist without a block size limit [paper] [video]

4. In 2016, I co-founded Bitcoin Unlimited, which is now a $10 million+ organization that supports Bitcoin research and outreach across the world.

5. Also in 2016, I did research to show that with subchains, bitcoin's transaction capacity could be increased while also providing faster TX verification by miners to users [paper] [video]

6. In 2017, I demonstrated a security weakness in segregated witness [video]

7. Also in 2017, I spearheaded the launch of the $3 million "Gigablock Testnet Initiative" and presented our initial result in Stanford [video]

I have done all this to date as a volunteer because I love bitcoin and hope to see it change the world for the better.  

Roger Ver's CV is a lot better Smiley


Indeed.  

Roger Ver has done a huge amount to further Bitcoin adoption.  Perhaps more than anyone else besides Satoshi Nakamoto.  He truly loves Bitcoin and wants to see all of the world adopt it.  That people now abuse him for trying to fix the problem of high fees and unreliable confirmations is heart-breaking for me.
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December 21, 2017, 09:21:25 PM

I have done all this to date as a volunteer because I love bitcoin and hope to see it change the world for the better.  

Roger Ver's CV is a lot better Smiley
Can't beat some good old jailtime.

Seriously!What a noob XD
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December 21, 2017, 09:23:11 PM

Indeed.  

Roger Ver has done a huge amount to further Bitcoin adoption.  Perhaps more than anyone else besides Satoshi Nakamoto.  He truly loves Bitcoin and wants to see all of the world adopt it.  That people now abuse him for trying to fix the problem of high fees and unreliable confirmations is heart-breaking for me.

He is also fucking up with lots of peoples finances just for a stupid block size instead of waiting a little bit for community acceptance (I am sure if he put one fifth of the effort he is putting into shilling BCH, SW2X would have been implemented already in BTC)
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December 21, 2017, 09:23:38 PM

NICE. Instant classic:

https://youtu.be/UG7zLhEWanc

Remy - Bitcoin Billionaire

"Opposing forks like a Chinese restaurant" haha

Man, this is quality stuff!

Thx for posting!
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December 21, 2017, 09:23:52 PM

Who the hell are you? You joined in 2015. Fuck off you twit
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* BobLawblaw pats nikauforest on the head for not being able to see the forest through the trees

Ooh, a dick measuring contest. This oughta be good.
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December 21, 2017, 09:24:33 PM

Peter - answer the question:  who does Jihan Wu report to?

Putin!

No, wait,  that's Vitalik...


Jihan Wu notionally controls Bcash.  But there is a Chinese Communist Party member on Bitmain’s board of supervisors.  Why don’t you Bcash shills do a little research into who really controls your coin.
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December 21, 2017, 09:24:49 PM

Any vets out there caring to calm my nerves with some words of wisdom?

BTC is the longest time window on a complete scam the world has ever seen.  Kiss

I thought that honour belonged to the global fiat monetary system
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[ ... ]

I have done all this to date as a volunteer because I love bitcoin and hope to see it change the world for the better.  

Do you honestly think that the motives of Jihan Wu and Roger Ver are to change the world for the better? Really? Have you followed their actions and their modus operandi? And you have decided to side with them and support Bcash? If that is true, then I'm afraid you are self-disrespecting your own achievements. It's sad, really...

I communicate directly with both of them, have met both in person and had lengthy discussions with each.  I believe they love Bitcoin for the same three reasons I do:

1. The technology behind bitcoin is interesting and novel; Satoshi solved a long-standing problem in computer science.
2. The adoption of Bitcoin would change the world for the better, by giving us a better form of money.
3. The potential to earn of a huge amount of money.
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December 21, 2017, 09:25:38 PM

If by "shill" you mean someone who has volunteered thousands of hours and years of my life to help grow Bitcoin into a global peer-to-peer electronic cash system, then here are some of the ways I've "shilled":

1. In 2014, I developed the first ECDSA signing tool capable of signing Bitcoin transactions offline over an air-gap by drawing power from the NFC field [video].

2. In 2015, I co-founded (and still co-manage) the first peer-reviewed scholarly journal for Bitcoin and blockchain research, Ledger.  

3. Also in 2015, I did research to demonstrate that a transaction fee market would exist without a block size limit [paper] [video]

4. In 2016, I co-founded Bitcoin Unlimited, which is now a $10 million+ organization that supports Bitcoin research and outreach across the world.

5. Also in 2016, I did research to show that with subchains, bitcoin's transaction capacity could be increased while also providing faster TX verification by miners to users [paper] [video]

6. In 2017, I demonstrated a security weakness in segregated witness [video]

7. Also in 2017, I spearheaded the launch of the $3 million "Gigablock Testnet Initiative" and presented our initial result in Stanford [video]

I have done all this to date as a volunteer because I love bitcoin and hope to see it change the world for the better.  

Roger Ver's CV is a lot better Smiley


Indeed.  

Roger Ver has done a huge amount to further Bitcoin adoption.  Perhaps more than anyone else besides Satoshi Nakamoto.  He truly loves Bitcoin and wants to see all of the world adopt it.  That people now abuse him for trying to fix the problem of high fees and unreliable confirmations is heart-breaking for me.
You don't actually believe this bullshit, do you?
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December 21, 2017, 09:25:45 PM

Indeed.  

Roger Ver has done a huge amount to further Bitcoin adoption.  Perhaps more than anyone else besides Satoshi Nakamoto.  He truly loves Bitcoin and wants to see all of the world adopt it.  That people now abuse him for trying to fix the problem of high fees and unreliable confirmations is heart-breaking for me.

He is also fucking up with lots of peoples finances just for a stupid block size instead of waiting a little bit for community acceptance

He also likes shoot the middle finger at people who disagree with him or his pet "project", and poor-shame people for not being millionaires like him. He also believes that insider trading is a "non-crime" and should be encouraged.

Such a humble, upstanding guy.  Roll Eyes Let's all give him a Nobel prize.
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