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December 04, 2013, 10:01:13 PM |
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I have no problem paying for taxes if the government uses them well. Frankly the libertarian utopia doesn't convince me, Bioshock is a testament to that  . But you should try it to see if it works although I wouldn't hold my breath. Libertarians do not believe in zero government, that is liberal scare tactics. What libertarians do believe in is limited government covering essential common good services (roads, courts, education (not union education), etc), which today comprises a fraction of the bloated US government. Depends on the libertarian you talk to I guess... some of them are quite extreme. But I agree the government needs to be more controlling in some places and less in others. Although there's a main flaw in libertarian theory and that is that once a corporation gets big enough it starts controlling economic policy much like a government or central authority so we end up with the same problem. |
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TheKoziTwo
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December 04, 2013, 10:04:36 PM |
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We should use some of our new-found wealth to fund a bitcoin country, something like what seasteading institute is doing. We shouldn't have to waste money on taxes when it can be used for so much good instead.
We may soon be able to found a semi-autonomous city in Honduras. Thanks, I remember watching that video and it sounded really exciting. Will definitely have to keep an eye on this. "I can guarantee that hard-core libertarians are going to be disappointed with the first zones"Well, at least a step in the right direction. Competitive governments is the way to go. |
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Odrec
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December 04, 2013, 10:05:49 PM |
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Well Ayn Rand's work, which is the basis for the philosophy of many libertarians I know, is also highly fictional...
If they're basing their philosophy on the story, they're doing it wrong. If the story inspires them to consider the philosophy or they consider it illustrative of the philosophy, that's more like it. By the way, it's nice that you are happy to pay your taxes if the government spends it well. However, you might want to consider that other people may have different opinions on that or, indeed, what constitutes "spending it well" and taxes are not voluntary. The problem with that is that if taxes are voluntary then their purpose is pretty much void. I've always been of the idea that there should be countries for every taste. Countries that follow a more libertarian or even comunistic way of government and people should decide where they go to live. The problem is that the world power structures are very intolerant to variety. |
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Richy_T
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December 04, 2013, 10:10:14 PM |
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The problem with that is that if taxes are voluntary then their purpose is pretty much void. I've always been of the idea that there should be countries for every taste. Countries that follow a more libertarian or even comunistic way of government and people should decide where they go to live. The problem is that the world power structures are very intolerant to variety.
Yep, they're not voluntary. I'm just saying that that means "Well, I'm happy to pay them" is not a very good yardstick to measure with. The rest of your paragraph I can't find much fault in. There's room within the libertarian philosophy for communistic or socialistic communities as long as membership is voluntary. |
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December 04, 2013, 10:12:56 PM |
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"I can guarantee that hard-core libertarians are going to be disappointed with the first zones"
Well, at least a step in the right direction. Competitive governments is the way to go.
I still think we should arm up and take Somalia. That would shut up those "Why don't you move to Somalia" people. |
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December 04, 2013, 10:16:32 PM |
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"I can guarantee that hard-core libertarians are going to be disappointed with the first zones"
Well, at least a step in the right direction. Competitive governments is the way to go.
I still think we should arm up and take Somalia. That would shut up those "Why don't you move to Somalia" people. talked to an anarchist who used somalia as an example, but he admitted that he doesn't want to live there.. wtf? he told me about the "everyone should have their own arms rule," and that by doing that, people have less reason to behave badly.. wtf? |
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December 04, 2013, 10:17:14 PM |
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Capital Gains. god damn it, i should of never sold anything  i need to learn how to hide my Capital Gains, should i dump it in BTC?  Dude, we have a $750k capital gains personal exemption here in Canada....use it. I'm going to move to New Zealand (from Australia) for a year when I sell mine. Fuck giving 45% of my BTC to the government. If anyone wants to throw out a good tax strategy for an American, I'm all ears. I'm dreading having to pay on my BTC profits. There isn't one. You either cheat or pay. Oh and moving won't help you. Americans are taxed on their worldwide income and you can't give up citizenship for tax reasons. You have to pay an exit tax on your entire holdings. |
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PantsParty
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December 04, 2013, 10:26:26 PM |
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I've just been "cashing out" by buying metals (mostly gold) with bitpay. You can then sell the metals over the counter to a local coin shop for cash. If you do a couple coins at a time they don't usually even care who you are.
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December 04, 2013, 10:34:02 PM |
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I love how nothing is considered off topic in this thread, from random trolling to serious debate, there are times in which "wall observing" is just noise |
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December 04, 2013, 10:35:41 PM |
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Only 830 Bitcoins to $1245, current gold parity, on Gox! This next hour could get interesting...
Now 700... |
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December 04, 2013, 10:43:10 PM |
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China close to 7k, jus waiting for that last big buy before we're going to the moon again! ' |
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December 04, 2013, 10:55:19 PM |
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China close to 7k, jus waiting for that last big buy before we're going to the moon again! ' done  |
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December 04, 2013, 10:56:37 PM |
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Only $2 short of the ATH then!!
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December 04, 2013, 11:06:12 PM |
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So it's either double top or new ATHs and more escape velocity.
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December 04, 2013, 11:10:41 PM |
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Hoping for new ATH - it'll be an excuse to crack open teh beer in my fridge C'mon bulls!! |
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December 04, 2013, 11:23:37 PM |
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No doubt. The collapse of this thread is imminent. Any time now EDIT: Maybe we'll just have a correction and be set back 325-375 pages imo |
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December 04, 2013, 11:24:17 PM |
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Hoping for new ATH - it'll be an excuse to crack open teh beer in my fridge C'mon bulls!! I don't need no excuses =D |
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kurious
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December 04, 2013, 11:26:40 PM |
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Hoping for new ATH - it'll be an excuse to crack open teh beer in my fridge C'mon bulls!! I don't need no excuses =D Me neither - been watching for three beers already. I wonder if I will run out before the ATH - UK time it's late in the day, and I was hoping.... |
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December 04, 2013, 11:34:13 PM |
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Capital Gains. god damn it, i should of never sold anything i need to learn how to hide my Capital Gains, should i dump it in BTC? Dude, we have a $750k capital gains personal exemption here in Canada....use it. I'm going to move to New Zealand (from Australia) for a year when I sell mine. Fuck giving 45% of my BTC to the government. If anyone wants to throw out a good tax strategy for an American, I'm all ears. I'm dreading having to pay on my BTC profits. There isn't one. You either cheat or pay. Oh and moving won't help you. Americans are taxed on their worldwide income and you can't give up citizenship for tax reasons. You have to pay an exit tax on your entire holdings. Wrong! Live in Puerto Rico for 183 days out of the year and you do not pay captial gains tax, OR federal income tax. We see another month like November and I'll be moving there.  Maybe we can get a Bitcoin economy going in Puerto Rico? |
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