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December 11, 2013, 02:04:56 PM
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No but I certainly didn't expect so many people to get fleeced in the not too distant future.

Bitcoin trading is a zero-sum game, each person's gain is someone else's loss.

If the ordinary money (USD,EUR,...) that you put in is less than the money you got out, consider yourself lucky; if you can make even more ordinary money by selling your bitcoins, better for you.

If the money you put in is more than you took out, then you are provisionally a loser. The only way you can avoid becoming a definitive loser is to find some other loser who is willing to take your loss by buying your bitcoins at a price that will clear your deficit (including bank and exchange fees and the interest you could have earned by investing your money elsewhere).

You may find that redeeming loser right away.  You may have to wait years for him to come up.  Or he may never come up.

The bitcoin market will crash once every sucker with money gets smart and realizes that all other suckers got smart too.

So, what you need to keep the bitcoin market from crashing is an ASIC miner that creates new suckers with money, rather than new bitcoins.
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December 11, 2013, 02:05:10 PM
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seriously bitfinex, what the fuck are you doing to me???

Is there any fucking competent exchange out there...

stop crying and pay transaction fees next time
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December 11, 2013, 02:11:51 PM
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BTC transactions are seriously joke.

0 fee?
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December 11, 2013, 02:13:56 PM
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No but I certainly didn't expect so many people to get fleeced in the not too distant future.

Bitcoin trading is a zero-sum game, each person's gain is someone else's loss.

If the ordinary money (USD,EUR,...) that you put in is less than the money you got out, consider yourself lucky; if you can make even more ordinary money by selling your bitcoins, better for you.

If the money you put in is more than you took out, then you are provisionally a loser. The only way you can avoid becoming a definitive loser is to find some other loser who is willing to take your loss by buying your bitcoins at a price that will clear your deficit (including bank and exchange fees and the interest you could have earned by investing your money elsewhere).

You may find that redeeming loser right away.  You may have to wait years for him to come up.  Or he may never come up.

The bitcoin market will crash once every sucker with money gets smart and realizes that all other suckers got smart too.

So, what you need to keep the bitcoin market from crashing is an ASIC miner that creates new suckers with money, rather than new bitcoins.


You don't understand Bitcoin.

This isn't a financial game of hot potato. This is a transaction protocol the likes of which has never before existed. There is plenty of real value here - there need not be a loser for every winner, not long-term.

If you don't get that, go to Vegas. There's more girls there anyway.
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December 11, 2013, 02:16:49 PM
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No but I certainly didn't expect so many people to get fleeced in the not too distant future.

Bitcoin trading is a zero-sum game, each person's gain is someone else's loss.

If the ordinary money (USD,EUR,...) that you put in is less than the money you got out, consider yourself lucky; if you can make even more ordinary money by selling your bitcoins, better for you.

If the money you put in is more than you took out, then you are provisionally a loser. The only way you can avoid becoming a definitive loser is to find some other loser who is willing to take your loss by buying your bitcoins at a price that will clear your deficit (including bank and exchange fees and the interest you could have earned by investing your money elsewhere).

You may find that redeeming loser right away.  You may have to wait years for him to come up.  Or he may never come up.

The bitcoin market will crash once every sucker with money gets smart and realizes that all other suckers got smart too.

So, what you need to keep the bitcoin market from crashing is an ASIC miner that creates new suckers with money, rather than new bitcoins.

JorgeStolfi, I know you like to think you are coming up with new innovative reasons why bitcoin is definitely going to fail but really?  What you are describing is the greater fool theory.  You are not the first to discover this phenomenon, and if you had spent any time reading up on bitcoins you would see it is one of the most common criticisms made of it - usually by those who do not understand it.

To claim that bitcoin value will fall to zero because of the greater fool phenomenon is to claim that all those who say they have bought bitcoins with the intention of holding them until either they fall to zero or until I can use them to buy my everyday goods and services and make my everyday financial transactions is a liar!

The thinking behind the 'bitcoin is nothing but an implementation of the greater fool theory' appears to go like this:

I don't understand what value there is in bitcoin
therefore there can not be value in bitcoin
therefore the only reason I would buy bitcoin is if I thought I could sell it for more
therefore the only reason anyone is and has ever bought bitcoin is because they believe they can sell it for more
therefore bitcoin is an implementation of the greater fool theory
therefore the value of bitcoin will fall to zero with everybody losing out other than implementers/early adopters.

Jorge, please take a look at this.  Can you see where there may be a flaw or two in this reasoning process?

You can see that people have bought bitcoins, that people have sold bitcoins and how much for.  You can not irrespective of the numbers bought at what price deduce why they bought them and what plans they have for them.  Please stop kidding yourself otherwise.
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December 11, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
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BTC transactions are seriously joke.

0 fee?

nope
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December 11, 2013, 02:20:24 PM
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December 11, 2013, 02:21:14 PM
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strange.

who's the tx recipient? your own wallet or a forex one? Does the tx appear on the blockchain?

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December 11, 2013, 02:24:33 PM
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No but I certainly didn't expect so many people to get fleeced in the not too distant future.

Dollar trading is a zero-sum game, each person's gain is someone else's loss.

If the service or product that you put in is less valuable than the money you got out, consider yourself lucky; if you can make even more ordinary money by selling your dollars, better for you.

If the service or product that you put in you put in is more than you took out, then you are provisionally a loser. The only way you can avoid becoming a definitive loser is to find some other loser who is willing to take your loss by buying your dollars at a price that will clear your deficit (including bank and exchange fees and the interest you could have earned by investing your service or product elsewhere).

You may find that redeeming loser right away.  You may have to wait years for him to come up.  Or he may never come up.

The dollar market will crash once every sucker with service or products gets smart and realizes that all other suckers got smart too.

So, what you need to keep the dollar market from crashing is a Federal Reserve that creates new suckers with money, rather than new dollars.


There, I fixed it.
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December 11, 2013, 02:25:06 PM
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stamp going ape towards 900 again, bear trap complete.

How many freaking bear traps re we going to get out here.  When is this greed going to stop!!   Cool

Thanks for giving me back the 0.1 BTC i lost earlier from the 900-> 950 move
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December 11, 2013, 02:25:31 PM
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strange.

who's the tx recipient? your own wallet or a forex one? Does the tx appear on the blockchain?



it's gone through now .it was btc-e to bitfinex...

In other news, price goes up again, lol
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December 11, 2013, 02:33:37 PM
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Chugga Chugga....Chugga Chugga....
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December 11, 2013, 02:41:07 PM
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Hahha nice rally going on once again Grin
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December 11, 2013, 02:46:45 PM
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Hahha nice rally going on once again Grin

Theorize with me here, I've heard some grumblings if we don't attack the ATH this week blah blah we'll regress by the weekend. I believe another sell off Friday or over the "weak-end" would require some bad enough news or be easily misinterpreted. That being said I would like to just see us consolidate for a whole week and move horizontal which in my opinion would confirm were building a base for our next liftoff.
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December 11, 2013, 02:52:46 PM
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Just woke up.



LOL   Cheesy
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December 11, 2013, 02:54:13 PM
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Hahha nice rally going on once again Grin

Theorize with me here, I've heard some grumblings if we don't attack the ATH this week blah blah we'll regress by the weekend. I believe another sell off Friday or over the "weak-end" would require some bad enough news or be easily misinterpreted. That being said I would like to just see us consolidate for a whole week and move horizontal which in my opinion would confirm were building a base for our next liftoff.

Stress tests on the Slovenian banking system will be released on Friday evening. Speculation is that the government will have to find 4billion Euro from somewhere to recapitalise its banks. My guess is that they announce a bail-in on Saturday morning (the Cyprus bail-in was also announced on a Saturday morning). Fuck knows what that will do to Bitstamp and the price on other markets.
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December 11, 2013, 02:54:27 PM
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"Easily misinterpreted" characterises this whole "crash". The China news was easily misinterpreted as China outlawing Bitcoin completely, and the 10-year-old JPM patent, completely unrelated to anything Bitcoin does, is being easily misinterpeted on purpose by maxkeiser as JPM preparing to sue all Bitcoin exchanges. Bitcoin holders are the most jumpy creatures ever.
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December 11, 2013, 02:59:53 PM
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Bitcoin holders are the most jumpy creatures ever.

No kidding.
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December 11, 2013, 03:00:23 PM
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Anyone see mtGox API is down?

clarkmoody just cant connect.
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