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[mmitech]

Highly recommend for everyone:

Bitcoin Neutrality - Andreas Antonopoulos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy6XIBnThpY&feature=youtu.be

This was two weeks ago here in Argentina. This guy is a beast. He was the best speaker of the conference.

Great video, thanks for sharing, watching here...

Should I continue to listen past 5m19s? He already said he doesn't regard Bitcoin a currency and that he thinks the USD is superior. I already want to smack him twice. Does his talk improve?

Yes im at 16 min. and it gets better

I like his opinion on fungibility.

Edit:

Haha @ "Fuck off, Bitcoin works fine!" he just scored points. And now disrupting nation states. He should just skip the first 15 minutes of his talk.

 

Oh it's done @ 23:30. I loved the final few minutes. I don't understand what all the rest was about, it sounds like they replaced the speaker in the end. The first 15 minutes is just politically correct, untrue bull shit.

Bitcoin is WAY better than any fiat currency. Hell, Litecoin is better than any fiat currency, hell any PM is better than any fiat currency. Fiat currencies SUCK. Saying USD is better than Bitcoin makes me nauseous
and I wouldn't be able to say it out loud without making a face.

I was thinking the same, but I remembered my co-workers who are BTW all IT engineers and how hard was it to explain the concept of Bitcoin to them and even when I did they still think that Bitcoin is a scam or monopoly money, his method can be a great approach to people like my co-workers....but it is too late I am out of energy and I give up, it is their lost anyways  

[wachtwoord]

Highly recommend for everyone:

Bitcoin Neutrality - Andreas Antonopoulos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy6XIBnThpY&feature=youtu.be

This was two weeks ago here in Argentina. This guy is a beast. He was the best speaker of the conference.

Great video, thanks for sharing, watching here...

Should I continue to listen past 5m19s? He already said he doesn't regard Bitcoin a currency and that he thinks the USD is superior. I already want to smack him twice. Does his talk improve?

Yes im at 16 min. and it gets better

I like his opinion on fungibility.

Edit:

Haha @ "Fuck off, Bitcoin works fine!" he just scored points. And now disrupting nation states. He should just skip the first 15 minutes of his talk.

 

Oh it's done @ 23:30. I loved the final few minutes. I don't understand what all the rest was about, it sounds like they replaced the speaker in the end. The first 15 minutes is just politically correct, untrue bull shit.

Bitcoin is WAY better than any fiat currency. Hell, Litecoin is better than any fiat currency, hell any PM is better than any fiat currency. Fiat currencies SUCK. Saying USD is better than Bitcoin makes me nauseous
and I wouldn't be able to say it out loud without making a face.

I was thinking the same, but I remembered my co-workers who are BTW all IT engineers and how hard was it to explain the concept of Bitcoin to them and even when I did they still think that Bitcoin is a scam or monopoly money, his method can be a great approach to people like my co-workers....but it is too late I am out of energy and I give up, it is their lost anyways  

Also his answer to the second to last question proves he doesn't believe in the long term value of Bitcoin. He thinks ~6 crypto's will end up sharing the market and Bitcoin not being one of them. Wow, I see this as a possibility but certainly not the most likely.

[Voodah]

I specially like the concept of "separation of money and state".

If you think about it for just one second, it's just like in the past and ultimately unavoidable. Some time ago we did the separation of the church and state, even though for a long period of time that was something unimaginable. Now's the time for money...

"Instead of trying to change governments with a useless vote, or pathetic pleading, we merely abandon the government's powerbase - the power derived from control of exchange and currency." - Erik voorhees April 2012

Yeah, evorhees was here too. Later that day Andreas interviewed Vorhees.

Now I'm gonna fall to new lows, and give you guys shitty gossip:

Erik brought a supermodel superhot girlfriend to the full packed 800 male 20 female conference.  

[wachtwoord]

I specially like the concept of "separation of money and state".

If you think about it for just one second, it's just like in the past and ultimately unavoidable. Some time ago we did the separation of the church and state, even though for a long period of time that was something unimaginable. Now's the time for money...

"Instead of trying to change governments with a useless vote, or pathetic pleading, we merely abandon the government's powerbase - the power derived from control of exchange and currency." - Erik voorhees April 2012

Yeah, evorhees was here too. Later that day Andreas interviewed Vorhees.

Now I'm gonna fall to new lows, and give you guys shitty gossip:

Erik brought a supermodel superhot girlfriend to the full packed 800 male 20 female conference. 

Haven't you heard about his new site? Escorts4Bitcoin.com

[MicroFi]

Has this already been posted?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/european-union-loses-aaa-credit-rating-at-s-p-on-weaker-cohesion.html

[mmitech]

Highly recommend for everyone:

Bitcoin Neutrality - Andreas Antonopoulos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy6XIBnThpY&feature=youtu.be

This was two weeks ago here in Argentina. This guy is a beast. He was the best speaker of the conference.

Great video, thanks for sharing, watching here...

Should I continue to listen past 5m19s? He already said he doesn't regard Bitcoin a currency and that he thinks the USD is superior. I already want to smack him twice. Does his talk improve?

Yes im at 16 min. and it gets better

I like his opinion on fungibility.

Edit:

Haha @ "Fuck off, Bitcoin works fine!" he just scored points. And now disrupting nation states. He should just skip the first 15 minutes of his talk.

 

Oh it's done @ 23:30. I loved the final few minutes. I don't understand what all the rest was about, it sounds like they replaced the speaker in the end. The first 15 minutes is just politically correct, untrue bull shit.

Bitcoin is WAY better than any fiat currency. Hell, Litecoin is better than any fiat currency, hell any PM is better than any fiat currency. Fiat currencies SUCK. Saying USD is better than Bitcoin makes me nauseous
and I wouldn't be able to say it out loud without making a face.

I was thinking the same, but I remembered my co-workers who are BTW all IT engineers and how hard was it to explain the concept of Bitcoin to them and even when I did they still think that Bitcoin is a scam or monopoly money, his method can be a great approach to people like my co-workers....but it is too late I am out of energy and I give up, it is their lost anyways  

Also his answer to the second to last question proves he doesn't believe in the long term value of Bitcoin. He thinks ~6 crypto's will end up sharing the market and Bitcoin not being one of them. Wow, I see this as a possibility but certainly not the most likely.

the definition of short term varies from a person to another, when we talk about the short term future of bitcoin we usually mean 5-10 years (on the speculation board means 1-2 weeks ) but I "think" in order for bitcoin to continue to mainstream and "survive" there are a lot of things has to be addressed short term ( we are still on the 5-10 years) like the block size limit, transaction fees, the selfish miner issue,regulation.....

the point is that if these issues wont be addressed there will be another alt (not a single from the existing ones) created that solves all existing issues and this is my biggest fear

[jatajuta]

Erik brought a supermodel superhot girlfriend to the full packed 800 male 20 female conference.  

Pics or didn't happen...

[wachtwoord]

the definition of short term varies from a person to another, when we talk about the short term future of bitcoin we usually mean 5-10 years (on the speculation board means 1-2 weeks ) but I "think" in order for bitcoin to continue to mainstream and "survive" there are a lot of things has to be addressed short term ( we are still on the 5-10 years) like the block size limit, transaction fees, the selfish miner issue,regulation.....

the point is that if these issues wont be addressed there will be another alt (not a single from the existing ones) created that solves all existing issues and this is my biggest fear

Why? Bitcoin will simply assimilate it. Bitcoin is like the Borg

[spooderman]

Anyone see that email from gox?

[Rampion]

Anyone see that email from gox?

Yes.

What a joke.

[Voodah]

the definition of short term varies from a person to another, when we talk about the short term future of bitcoin we usually mean 5-10 years (on the speculation board means 1-2 weeks ) but I "think" in order for bitcoin to continue to mainstream and "survive" there are a lot of things has to be addressed short term ( we are still on the 5-10 years) like the block size limit, transaction fees, the selfish miner issue,regulation.....

the point is that if these issues wont be addressed there will be another alt (not a single from the existing ones) created that solves all existing issues and this is my biggest fear

Why? Bitcoin will simply assimilate it. Bitcoin is like the Borg

Yup. All of the problems you mention are technical problems. Technical problems are easily solved in due time, when needed.

The real challenges ahead lie on the Regulatory and Compliance side of things; specifically on how to successfully co-exist with gov's and fiat....  until we can squash them  

[Ashitank]

Anyone see that email from gox?

What happen ?

[jatajuta]

the definition of short term varies from a person to another, when we talk about the short term future of bitcoin we usually mean 5-10 years (on the speculation board means 1-2 weeks ) but I "think" in order for bitcoin to continue to mainstream and "survive" there are a lot of things has to be addressed short term ( we are still on the 5-10 years) like the block size limit, transaction fees, the selfish miner issue,regulation.....

the point is that if these issues wont be addressed there will be another alt (not a single from the existing ones) created that solves all existing issues and this is my biggest fear

Why? Bitcoin will simply assimilate it. Bitcoin is like the Borg

Yup. All of the problems you mention are technical problems. Technical problems are easily solved in due time, when needed.

The real challenges ahead lie on the Regulatory and Compliance side of things; specifically on how to successfully co-exist with gov's and fiat....  until we can squash them  

There is a great book that describes Bitcoin perfectly.

Bitcoin is the best example of something Antifragile.

http://www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Taleb_Antifragile.pdf

[Voodah]

Erik brought a supermodel superhot girlfriend to the full packed 800 male 20 female conference.  

Pics or didn't happen...

I was at the conference thinking you trolls would demand to see evidence, so I took some.

But now I feel like the worst vermin in the planet (paparazzi), so I'm not posting. Let private affairs be private..

[spooderman]

Like it Andreas Antonopoulos got his shit together

edit: gox email says "pmg! fank u si much for trade 2013. haf moar traid f0r cheeper."

[Cablez]

Anyone see that email from gox?

What happen ?

I didn't receive as well, anyone care to share the joke?

[spooderman]

U guys aren't 1447 enough :p. We get cheap trade for a month. yay

[Voodah]

Anyone see that email from gox?

What happen ?

I didn't receive as well, anyone care to share the joke?

"
Dear xxxxxx,

Thank you for your patience and support all throughout 2013.
As we noted in our previous update there are many things happening, and we’re proud to announce two more major developments that will make MtGox both easier and more economical for our valued customers:

One million MtGox customers and reduced fees for the holidays!

Thanks to our loyal customer and increased global interest in Bitcoin, MtGox has now achieved a milestone of over one million customers and growing. This is an incredible moment for us all, and to celebrate, we are offering a Special Holiday Discount of 25% off all trading fees starting today, December 20th 2013 to January 20th 2014!

For more information, please click on the following link: https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20131219.html

Thank you again for your support,

Best regards,

MtGox Team

"

[wachtwoord]

Erik brought a supermodel superhot girlfriend to the full packed 800 male 20 female conference.  

Pics or didn't happen...

I was at the conference thinking you trolls would demand to see evidence, so I took some.

But now I feel like the worst vermin in the planet (paparazzi), so I'm not posting. Let private affairs be private..

Hahaif you took the pics and are not sharing them that might not make you a paparazzi but a pervert instead

[mbets]

Erik brought a supermodel superhot girlfriend to the full packed 800 male 20 female conference.  

Pics or didn't happen...

I was at the conference thinking you trolls would demand to see evidence, so I took some.

But now I feel like the worst vermin in the planet (paparazzi), so I'm not posting. Let private affairs be private..

Hahaif you took the pics and are not sharing them that might not make you a paparazzi but a pervert instead

We should make a poll about this