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Question: Dec. 14 Closing Price:
<$6,000 - 4 (12.1%)
$6,000-$6,500 - 0 (0%)
$6,500-$7,000 - 2 (6.1%)
$7,000-$7,500 - 5 (15.2%)
$7,500-$8,000 - 8 (24.2%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 6 (18.2%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 1 (3%)
>$9,000 - 7 (21.2%)
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June 16, 2019, 03:53:13 PM

I understand your case for gold, but why not find a middle term and own both? Both gold and Bitcoin have a point. You have become our resident Peter Schiff at this point.

Bitcoin is not a resource or commodity.  It's an imaginary, valueless, designed to centralize, government tracking system token.  The goal of all Keynesian scams is to give someone something of zero value while stealing their resources, goods, or labor that actually does have value.  Only a moron accepts a Keynesian scam for their goods or labor.


There is always going to be a need for something with the properties of Bitcoin for someone out there, just like there's always going to be a need for something with the properties of gold for someone out there. Case in point, none of them is going to 0. There are no real reasons to not own some of both unless you've become a goldbug only drone/bitcoin only drone which rejects the good use cases of both.
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June 16, 2019, 03:53:51 PM


Indeed. I also had a RS200 for about a month before it went to a new home. That had a 640 bhp rallycross engine. The prospect of it grenading was too horrifying so I did less than 50 miles in it.

I find the prices these days mental but understandable for group B stuff. What I don't get is the more modest cars. I turned down an E30 M3 Sport Evolution that was about $7000 in 2000 ish. A good one of them goes for $150-175,000 now. It's a nice enough motor but very deffo not that nice or special.

You could get Mercedes 190 Evo 2s for $20,000 all day long from Germany. They're now $250,000 or more. My hire car felt faster than one of them.

Sunday's lesson is - get your internal combustion fix while it's still legal and affordable, kids.



I'm a Quattro man myself, when it comes to group B fantasy.  Nothing has ever sounded quite like those relentlessly boosted 5 jugs.  Also. Ms. Mouton made quite the impression on my hormone addled teenage self setting back to back records at Pikes Peak.

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June 16, 2019, 03:58:17 PM

My parents had a 300ZX Z32 as well, awesome cars, horrible to work on under the hood however. I think their history of Z ownership (from the 240 all the way to 350) inspired my love of Jap cars too and lead to me owning an R33 GTR.

There's something about mid 90's to mid 00's Jap cars that hold a special place in my heart

I had a R32 GTR. Without a shadow of a doubt the most hateful vehicle I have ever possessed. Everything went wrong, it handled and braked like shit. The engine was incredible so some day I will place one in a Morris Minor and enjoy the sole bright spot that car had to offer.

Ideally I'd like to buy back that specific car so I can slowly cut it to pieces with tin snips but I think it got scrapped which made me smirk.

When I was a kid playing Gran Turismo I always remember dreaming about owning an Skyline.



Fastforward to 2019 and I wouldn't even bother. I expect it would be a PITA to maintain.

How do you rate the 370 over the 350 for a proper, affordable ricer with easy to find spare parts? Much better imo. Sure it's not as "cool" as the mightly Skyline but let's be realistic. Also sorry for the purists but I can't drive on the right.

What else is there? The new Supra sucks, the old ones are overpriced and you would feel like wasting an investment everytime you use it. The new GTR is awesome, but BTC would need to bottom at $100k to even bother spending that much on a car.
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June 16, 2019, 03:59:01 PM

Why are you even talking about racing gas guzzler cars when oil exploration has to be like $100+ a barrel to even be viable, so no oil exploration has occurred in A LONG TIME.  Whether you believe in peak oil, thermodynamic collapse of oil EROI, or anything like that, simply from lack of exploration alone there's going to be a Seneca cliff.  Or maybe man has already conquered the entire planet and there's no new oil to 'explore' for in the first place.  Even if oil is plentiful and everyone talking about oil shortage is wrong, the rigged financial system with everything priced horrifically wrong seems to have set up the world for shortage regardless.
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June 16, 2019, 04:06:36 PM

imaginary, valueless, digital shitcoins

Sorry for quoting Roach but it seems he's trying to follow his idol's advice:

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed." - Adolf Hitler

WRONG.  The "big lie" is the Bitcoin whitepaper itself.  A "peer to peer currency with no middlemen", except every transaction requires three or more parties AND government infrastructure to boot, so it's obviously not peer to peer, and each transaction also has built-in, rent seeking middlemen (transaction validators).  Then the transaction validators are designed to centralize too.  Virtually everything about the whitepaper is a lie.  It is YOU PEOPLE who are the big lie. 

A "peer to peer" transaction with no middlemen is NOT EVEN POSSIBLE using Bitcoin.  It's possible with real money, though - physical metals.
Man you are a real fucking piece of work ain't you. You Sad cunt get the fuck out of here
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June 16, 2019, 04:12:31 PM

imaginary, valueless, digital shitcoins

Sorry for quoting Roach but it seems he's trying to follow his idol's advice:

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed." - Adolf Hitler

WRONG.  The "big lie" is the Bitcoin whitepaper itself.  A "peer to peer currency with no middlemen", except every transaction requires three or more parties AND government infrastructure to boot, so it's obviously not peer to peer, and each transaction also has built-in, rent seeking middlemen (transaction validators).  Then the transaction validators are designed to centralize too.  Virtually everything about the whitepaper is a lie.  It is YOU PEOPLE who are the big lie. 

A "peer to peer" transaction with no middlemen is NOT EVEN POSSIBLE using Bitcoin.  It's possible with real money, though - physical metals.
Man you are a real fucking piece of work ain't you. You Sad cunt get the fuck out of here

You demonic gremlins that do nothing but lie in an attempt at personal gain need to get the fuck out.  Trollgoossens even admitted to being a member of the evil cult of Judaism.
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June 16, 2019, 04:17:40 PM

I had a 190 E too,

I'm more interested in a Japanese Turbo Nutters Barge these days.

Jap FTW!




Any particular flavor?  

Had 3 MR2's the 3rd one a MK3 with added turbo and intercooler oil cooler standalone ECU overbore sleved racebuilt engine forged everything etc. and the last was a Nissan 300zx Twin turbo, FAF!

*edit*  and if you meant the Merc, it was the racey one. Best ever looking Merc in my opinion

Haha when I was a kid my father also had a 300zx-twin turbo.... but he always have had the crazy cars in my youth but more Porsche turbo etc kind of things....

I wasn't not the car racer as I was a MOTO-racer I still have a few pic from earlier years as I stopped recently (4years back or something) After that I have owned my fair share of fast cars as well Cheesy

You can’t just say that and not provide details...
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June 16, 2019, 04:18:28 PM
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imaginary, valueless, digital shitcoins

Sorry for quoting Roach but it seems he's trying to follow his idol's advice:

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed." - Adolf Hitler

WRONG.  The "big lie" is the Bitcoin whitepaper itself.  A "peer to peer currency with no middlemen", except every transaction requires three or more parties AND government infrastructure to boot, so it's obviously not peer to peer, and each transaction also has built-in, rent seeking middlemen (transaction validators).  Then the transaction validators are designed to centralize too.  Virtually everything about the whitepaper is a lie.  It is YOU PEOPLE who are the big lie. 

A "peer to peer" transaction with no middlemen is NOT EVEN POSSIBLE using Bitcoin.  It's possible with real money, though - physical metals.

You can't send physical metals from Africa to Australia in 10 minutes. There isn't a single practical use for precious metals other than buying and hodling (which is also not practical btw, you'll need space for that.)

Try to buy a pizza with your gold coin in your pocket and face the reality. Wake the fuck up man.
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June 16, 2019, 04:18:42 PM

imaginary, valueless, digital shitcoins

Sorry for quoting Roach but it seems he's trying to follow his idol's advice:

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed." - Adolf Hitler

WRONG.  The "big lie" is the Bitcoin whitepaper itself.  A "peer to peer currency with no middlemen", except every transaction requires three or more parties AND government infrastructure to boot, so it's obviously not peer to peer, and each transaction also has built-in, rent seeking middlemen (transaction validators).  Then the transaction validators are designed to centralize too.  Virtually everything about the whitepaper is a lie.  It is YOU PEOPLE who are the big lie. 

A "peer to peer" transaction with no middlemen is NOT EVEN POSSIBLE using Bitcoin.  It's possible with real money, though - physical metals.
Man you are a real fucking piece of work ain't you. You Sad cunt get the fuck out of here

You demonic gremlins that do nothing but lie in an attempt at personal gain need to get the fuck out.  Trollgoossens even admitted to being a member of the evil cult of Judaism.

So tell me roach, you hate bitcoin and hate WO. Why waste your time here? Why not some other forum? Did you get kicked out of 4chan?
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Best not to feed the trolls by quoting or responding to them that is why there is an ignore button.
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June 16, 2019, 04:23:24 PM

I was a late starter so have a lot of ground to make up.

Don't most bitcoiners feel like that to some degree?
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June 16, 2019, 04:25:24 PM

You can't send physical metals from Africa to Australia in 10 minutes.

Just like you can't send a house, car, boat, or drumstick over a phone line.  You can't send ANYTHING of value over a phone line.  If something can be sent over a phone line, it doesn't mean it's worth something, it means it's WORTHLESS.
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June 16, 2019, 04:29:02 PM

I understand your case for gold, but why not find a middle term and own both? Both gold and Bitcoin have a point. You have become our resident Peter Schiff at this point.

Bitcoin is not a resource or commodity.  It's an imaginary, valueless, designed to centralize, government tracking system token.  The goal of all Keynesian scams is to give someone something of zero value while stealing their resources, goods, or labor that actually does have value.  Only a moron accepts a Keynesian scam for their goods or labor.


There is always going to be a need for something with the properties of Bitcoin for someone out there, just like there's always going to be a need for something with the properties of gold for someone out there. Case in point, none of them is going to 0. There are no real reasons to not own some of both unless you've become a goldbug only drone/bitcoin only drone which rejects the good use cases of both.

yeah, but if you own bitcoin, then it largely serves the same hedging purpose that gold had previously served, so in that regard, there is really no need to hold any gold but at most 1% of your value in gold, at most.
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June 16, 2019, 04:29:16 PM

You can't send physical metals from Africa to Australia in 10 minutes.

Just like you can't send a house, car, boat, or drumstick over a phone line.  You can't send ANYTHING of value over a phone line.  If something can be sent over a phone line, it doesn't mean it's worth something, it means it's WORTHLESS.

You can send Bitcoin you dumb fuck.

OK OK I got carried away. Sorry.

Nope I am not.
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June 16, 2019, 04:32:25 PM

Weekly resistance is around 9600, above that not much until 11k.


Though i personally believe 10k will be a big psycological hurdle.

5 digits zone, 50+% from ath etc pp.

Fair enough, I wouldn't mind sitting at 9-10k for a bit, good time to decide if I want to get back into the work for bitcoin thing again. Wonder what I could do....
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June 16, 2019, 04:33:23 PM

You can't send physical metals from Africa to Australia in 10 minutes.

Just like you can't send a house, car, boat, or drumstick over a phone line.  You can't send ANYTHING of value over a phone line.  If something can be sent over a phone line, it doesn't mean it's worth something, it means it's WORTHLESS.

You can send Bitcoin you dumb fuck.

OK OK I got carried away. Sorry.

Good good BTC=valueless..... Smiley

Then another thing keep me thinking? Why is user count growing and more and more people getting interested in this value-useless thing?
Aaaaahaa got it, because its the most useful, valuable thing in our lifetimes perhaps Cheesy
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June 16, 2019, 04:34:01 PM

I was a late starter so have a lot of ground to make up.

Don't most bitcoiners feel like that to some degree?

I'm still angry with myself for not buying in at 20000 BTC for $10. It's unlikely I'll ever make that lost ground up.
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June 16, 2019, 04:36:08 PM

Time for a new Hat?
Vegeta hat worked fine.
Do we have a 5 digits hat? Xhomerx10 do you have something appropriate?
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June 16, 2019, 04:37:27 PM

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there's a newish system for recovering accounts
here at WO we leave no man behind

Oh really, what’s that?

I think it's explained here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777.0

Ah, yeah I tried that but didn’t have any keys that proved anything. With a little bit of detective work I’m sure it could be solved if Theymos wanted to look into it but understandably isn’t going to spend that kind of time on every jacked account.

Tried to buy it back off the hacker but no answer to any of my messages.

Oh well, c’est la vie. Bitcoin is flying so I have other things keeping my spirits up
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At what point can I get my avatar back?
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