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You ever buy a Ledger? Sad

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Our data show that 1M email addresses and 9500 detailed personal information leaked.

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https://twitter.com/trezor/status/1288463431750885383
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Fact of the day:
After 90 days, we get rid of all sensitive data about your order in our e-shop database (even e-mail addresses).

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https://www.epsilontheory.com/the-grifters-chapter-1-kodak/

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They’re. Not. Even. Pretending. Anymore.

Who is “they”?

On the corporate-grift side, it’s Kodak Chairman and CEO Jim Continenza (SEC CIK 0001197594), who picked up about 3 million shares and cheap options over the past year. It’s Kodak board member George Karfunkel (SEC CIK 0001085765), of the private equity and banking Zyskind-Karfunkel family, with his 6.4 million shares. It’s Kodak board member Philippe Katz (SEC CIK 0001579836), who owns about 4.3 million shares through at least five shell companies.

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Who is “they”?

On the government-grift side, it’s Donald Trump, who gets a press conference and a talking point.

It’s Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who sit on the DFC board of directors and approved this deal, each pocketing a favor.

It’s Larry Kudlow, University of Rochester alum and friend of Kodak, who pockets a BIG favor.

It’s Adam Boehler, 41 year-old CEO of the DFC, who cements a lucrative career once his government “service” is complete.


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 I'm surprised that 600watt isn't named there.  His opsec must be spot on.
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You ever buy a Ledger? Sad

https://twitter.com/Ledger/status/1288452973811703810
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Our data show that 1M email addresses and 9500 detailed personal information leaked.

[...]

https://twitter.com/trezor/status/1288463431750885383
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@Trezor

Fact of the day:
After 90 days, we get rid of all sensitive data about your order in our e-shop database (even e-mail addresses).

[...]

https://gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/

The "right to erasure". I'd take advantage of that, but many non-EU citizens might not be aware about it and a good amount of EU citizens, too.
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When 12 o’clock ??
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When 12 o’clock ??

Surely in August  Cheesy Wink
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eth dragging us up. need eth to 'invest' in defi
defi is not the scam we want but it's the scam that will drive this bull, just like ico's last time
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Good morning Bitcoinland.

Still consolidating around $11k after this week's jump up to 5 digits... currently $10986USD/$14747CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Almost time to start moving up again.

Go Bitcoin go.

*Develop a strategy now and do not deviate*

Best strategy: Don't sell unless absolutely necessary.

Buy whenever possible and hold.

Resist the temptation to waste your bitcoins by buying fiat currencies just because the price went up. Be strong.

Do not deviate.




My original plan was to sell about 50% for fiat, and put it into a traditional retirement portfolio (stocks, etc.) for income. I've been doubting the long term viability of that, especially over the last several months.

Aside from trying to avoid the inevitable post-bubble crash, I'm more seriously considering keeping a higher percentage of BTC in BTC.

I realized that its possible to live mostly on BTC, at least in America.
https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin/who-accepts/
https://www.hotcars.com/car-companies-accept-bitcoin/

There are some companies on here that I didn't realize take BTC. I'm pretty sure between using some of these companies, services like gyft.com, and a BTC-funded debit card for other incidental expenses, one could  easily come close to living entirely on bitcoin. Fiat would really only be absolutely necessary for most real estate purchases, and taxes.


eth dragging us up. need eth to 'invest' in defi
defi is not the scam we want but it's the scam that will drive this bull, just like ico's last time
shrug

That's what it's looking like.
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whatever the forces are that make bitcoins price explode in the slow motion pattern we are experiencing, I find it hard to answer the question where will it ever stop? I have the gut feeling that there is no limit. where is the point of saturation? where will be an equilibrium reached between the new truly digital money and the rotting fiat system?
on the other hand, looking at the log chart price history it does appear to flatten out in the future. why is it flattening?

100k is indeed ridiculous. and so was 100 before.

Personally, I believe that the larger the market cap, the more likely bitcoin curve (and price) is going to be flattening out...

Pretty likely that it will start to flatten out somewhat in the $10million to $100 million range.

Why don't you an d some of your rich buddies test it out to try to prove me wrong?   Tongue Tongue

I dare you.  I double dare you.  I will bet you a whole bitcoin.   Wink
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eth dragging us up. need eth to 'invest' in defi
defi is not the scam we want but it's the scam that will drive this bull, just like ico's last time
shrug

Fuck it, whatever lines our pockets.
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  I am a simple man with absolutely no need for "Lambos",cannot afford the years taken off my life due to any drug habits, and don't want hookers.

....

I suppose that sounds boring.

Yes.... it does..

You are absolutely

NO

FUN!!!!!!!!

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Sucks to be me.. so many BTC emotional roller coasters..    Cry Cry Cry

isnt that part of what we signed up for?  [...]

Fair enough... you party poop.

I was largely just emoticating for funzies... and for exaggeration purposes.

I mean if you look at the contents of my earlier post.  I was saying that based on recent BTC price rises, I had pre-ordered hookers, lambos and blow, but then after reading OutOfMemory's negative nancy price prediction post, I had to go through the efforts of cancelling my seemingly premature pre-orders.

Could anyone really take those kinds of representations seriously, except maybe metaphorically?   Tongue Tongue

i knew you were exaggerating, i answered in a general way more for some of the new peeps here.

and admit it.. youre hooked on the rollarcoaster like the rest of us. my crack habit was easy to kick. this? NEVER
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  I am a simple man with absolutely no need for "Lambos",cannot afford the years taken off my life due to any drug habits, and don't want hookers.

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I suppose that sounds boring.

My rusty pipe is ready...  Grin
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Are we resuming THE PUMP?  Cool
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I'm sure many here have areas of their life that they are looking to progress and are exceedingly tired of being chained to this whipsawing headfuck. I sure as shit am. I'd never be fully out of the game but I am extremely keen to not be so deep into it.

So I have been spending a lot of time speculating on the commonness of the above rationale.

That combined with the people who FOMOed in at 15k plus 3 years ago are very likely to make the road between 15k-25k kinda swirly and narrow.

Consider this script:

-Bitcoin slowly gains steam from here  
-Over the next 3-18 months we see it decisively make a new high... somewhere between 20-25k.  I dunno I am no technical wizard.
-The above scenario is kicking in pretty strong.
-We see a strong pullback.
-We drop under the current ATH again (19.5k), perhaps by a good bit.

That is the point of greatest pain.  A LOT of people will be saying "Oh my God.  I am going to lose 90% of this AGAIN."

They will sell into the hands of people who recognize what is happening (stronger hands).

Then over a fairly short amount of time we clear out all the balsa wood resolve around the ATH and we are ready for open skies.

This is what I see happening... and I KNOW it is going to hurt.  A LOT.  I believe this is the BOOS FIGHT. I think this is what I have to make my decisions for.  And I should only sell enough corn near the new ATH to put myself into a 3-4 month medically induced coma.

Of course I could be wrong.

P.S On the other side of this?  The hyper bullish version?  We will also be seeing the biggest avalanche of capital coming into corn so far.  There is a chance we hurdle past 20k so fast and hard we barely have a chance to blink.  I think still many of the OG set will be selling at these levels, even if their sales are lost in the torrent of new buys.  They will end up in the history books kind of like that guy who tweeted about selling at $30 because he wanted to lock in at least those gains.  This scenario too (though I think MUCH less likely) will be difficult to live through.  But I for one welcome that sort of difficulty. Wink

I am NOT going to proclaim that anything cannot happen, but your P.S is the more likely scenario.

Every fucking time, HODLers are so worried about those wanting to get out, and they bought at $14k and they just want to make some profits, blah blah blah.

It's just not going to happen.  The buys are way more likely to outnumber the sells.

Sure, of course, there may likely be some headfakes, and even several days or weeks of wondering which way she is going to go, but in the end, from about $17,250 to about $23,500 is a fucking dead zone.

Sure, no two exponential price rises play out the same way, and sure, we might get more head faking than we though was possible (including believing that the head-faking is real), but in the end, you should not be planning to sell large amounts in the deadzone... sure.. protect your lil selfie a bit, but the  2-3 more years of a correction or whatever from the previous ATH range is nearly pure scare rather than a way to really contemplate what scenarios are more likely and which ones are less likely.

Again, sure anything can happen, but seems ridiculous to be preparing yourself for less than 5% scenarios rather than preparing yourself for 45% scenarios, and sure that does not mean that NO preparation needs to be done for the 5% scenarios, but each of us should be attempting to prepare in accordance to the likelihood of the scenarios instead of attributing bad probability assignments to low likelihood events.

#DYOR
#YMMV
#BTMFD
# blah blah blah
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So I have been spending a lot of time speculating on the commonness of the above rationale.

That combined with the people who FOMOed in at 15k plus 3 years ago are very likely to make the road between 15k-25k kinda swirly and narrow.

You could've said the exact same about the return to $1000 and there was a lot more pain and terror before that happened.

If you're still here the chances are you've had a long, long time to learn and increase your resolve. The hopeless and gullible will have acted on that hopelessness and gullibility long before.

I am remembering the way it was right at the time we blasted through 1k for the second time and then fell to what was it? 800 or so?

I think a LOT of people pulled ripcords around that time.

My scenario is directly inspired by a move of a LARGE amount of my personal holdings onto Kraken, and then a sober realization of the danger I was in and a move back off.  I did not sell any BTC, but i lost an enormous amount of privacy because of that emotionally charged indescretion.

Yep... exactly.. you are proving my point.

Those 3-4 months, right around the beginning of 2017 seemed like a long fuckign time, while they were happening, but the reality of the matter is that they were a blip on the radar in the whole scheme of things.. and looking back, we largely sailed right the hell past previous ATH of $1,163... even though that sailing past took nearly 4 months.... hahahahahaha

Of course, also, history is not going to repeat with any kind of exactness... but still does not mean that any of us should be overweighting those FUD spreading (shaking of the weak hands) scenarios in order to be included in the weak hand category.. which it sounds as if you, cAPSLOCK, have a predisposition to be.

Best strategy: Don't sell unless absolutely necessary.

Buy whenever possible and hold.

Resist the temptation to waste your bitcoins by buying fiat currencies just because the price went up. Be strong.

Do not deviate.

No one's going to sell to leave the money to rot in a bank account, unless they have some sort of condition.

I'm sure many here have areas of their life that they are looking to progress and are exceedingly tired of being chained to this whipsawing headfuck. I sure as shit am. I'd never be fully out of the game but I am extremely keen to not be so deep into it.

When the opportunity arises to exit enough to no longer have to care anywhere near as much it's being grabbed with both hands. Around half should do it.

It is a ratio thing.
Always be prepared to sell some, but not all.

Also when people say numbers like :
     10,000 ----------- been there done that
     20,000 ----------- been there done that

     50,000 ----------- to move to this number by 2021 means 922,339,050,000 or 922 billion

the world's money supply is easily able to achieve bumping btc to 50,000 or 922 billion by the years end
the world has well over     49,220 billion in wealth

so pushing btc to 50,000 by years end is not that hard to do.

So the upside if you have 3 coins right now is 150,000 by 2021 is possible.

If your coins cost you 3,900 x 3 = 11,700

do your math and figure what to sell.

If you want to be highest risk hold it all risking 11,700 for a possible 150,000

If you want to be lowest risk sell it all.  you get about 33,000 - 11,700 = 21,300 profit a certain win.

If you are sane and want to do what you said in your post

you sell 1.1 coins gives you 12100 you invested 11,700. you are up 400 usd.

and you have 1.9 coins in hand.

Set a price point for next sell say 20,000

do ratios  the upside is the 1.9 could go to 95,000

at 20,000 if you sell .4.  you get 8,000

and still have 1.5 coins.

You can alter the numbers since I do not know your cost basis or your coin wealth. But it is the 50-50 game or 60-40 game or 70-30 game I am playing.

philipma1957 is way nicer than me.

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Our data show that 1M email addresses and 9500 detailed personal information leaked.

[...]

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After 90 days, we get rid of all sensitive data about your order in our e-shop database (even e-mail addresses).

[...]

https://gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/

The "right to erasure". I'd take advantage of that, but many non-EU citizens might not be aware about it and a good amount of EU citizens, too.

Good for Trezor. As I said earlier the only reason I could see a vendor holding onto an address or email would be to sell it to Lamborghini. Or the US secret police.

Hint: Get a drop box for mail and such.
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I understand that sometimes some forum members do not want to share too many of their buy/sell point specific details because it could screw up their plan if others end up front-running their various buy/sell BTC price points in the even their plan gets too much publicity or further adoption.

You ever buy a Ledger? Sad

Hypothetically, yes.   Embarrassed

eth dragging us up. need eth to 'invest' in defi
defi is not the scam we want but it's the scam that will drive this bull, just like ico's last time
shrug

You deserve this V8!!!!!!  Angry



I am sorry, V8.  I provokedly slapped in your direction upon reading about shitcoinery before I realized your ambivalent shrug.   Embarrassed

My bbbbbaaaaaaadddddd.

Sucks to be me.. so many BTC emotional roller coasters..    Cry Cry Cry

isnt that part of what we signed up for?  [...]

Fair enough... you party poop.

I was largely just emoticating for funzies... and for exaggeration purposes.

I mean if you look at the contents of my earlier post.  I was saying that based on recent BTC price rises, I had pre-ordered hookers, lambos and blow, but then after reading OutOfMemory's negative nancy price prediction post, I had to go through the efforts of cancelling my seemingly premature pre-orders.

Could anyone really take those kinds of representations seriously, except maybe metaphorically?   Tongue Tongue

i knew you were exaggerating, i answered in a general way more for some of the new peeps here.

and admit it.. youre hooked on the rollarcoaster like the rest of us. my crack habit was easy to kick. this? NEVER

I was trained (some label that as "programmed" - deny... ) to deny first, and ask questions later.

In other words, I am never going to admit to anything whether material or trivial, even if I might have perhaps made some seeming statement, at some point, that appears to be an in the ballpark of an admission.. It is not.  You must have misread the context.     Lips sealed
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I was trained (some label that as "programmed" - deny... ) to deny first, and ask questions later.
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I'm sure many here have areas of their life that they are looking to progress and are exceedingly tired of being chained to this whipsawing headfuck. I sure as shit am. I'd never be fully out of the game but I am extremely keen to not be so deep into it.

So I have been spending a lot of time speculating on the commonness of the above rationale.

That combined with the people who FOMOed in at 15k plus 3 years ago are very likely to make the road between 15k-25k kinda swirly and narrow.

Consider this script:

-Bitcoin slowly gains steam from here  
-Over the next 3-18 months we see it decisively make a new high... somewhere between 20-25k.  I dunno I am no technical wizard.
-The above scenario is kicking in pretty strong.
-We see a strong pullback.
-We drop under the current ATH again (19.5k), perhaps by a good bit.

That is the point of greatest pain.  A LOT of people will be saying "Oh my God.  I am going to lose 90% of this AGAIN."

They will sell into the hands of people who recognize what is happening (stronger hands).

Then over a fairly short amount of time we clear out all the balsa wood resolve around the ATH and we are ready for open skies.

This is what I see happening... and I KNOW it is going to hurt.  A LOT.  I believe this is the BOOS FIGHT. I think this is what I have to make my decisions for.  And I should only sell enough corn near the new ATH to put myself into a 3-4 month medically induced coma.

Of course I could be wrong.

P.S On the other side of this?  The hyper bullish version?  We will also be seeing the biggest avalanche of capital coming into corn so far.  There is a chance we hurdle past 20k so fast and hard we barely have a chance to blink.  I think still many of the OG set will be selling at these levels, even if their sales are lost in the torrent of new buys.  They will end up in the history books kind of like that guy who tweeted about selling at $30 because he wanted to lock in at least those gains.  This scenario too (though I think MUCH less likely) will be difficult to live through.  But I for one welcome that sort of difficulty. Wink

I am NOT going to proclaim that anything cannot happen, but your P.S is the more likely scenario.

Every fucking time, HODLers are so worried about those wanting to get out, and they bought at $14k and they just want to make some profits, blah blah blah.

It's just not going to happen.  The buys are way more likely to outnumber the sells.

Sure, of course, there may likely be some headfakes, and even several days or weeks of wondering which way she is going to go, but in the end, from about $17,250 to about $23,500 is a fucking dead zone.

Sure, no two exponential price rises play out the same way, and sure, we might get more head faking than we though was possible (including believing that the head-faking is real), but in the end, you should not be planning to sell large amounts in the deadzone... sure.. protect your lil selfie a bit, but the  2-3 more years of a correction or whatever from the previous ATH range is nearly pure scare rather than a way to really contemplate what scenarios are more likely and which ones are less likely.

Again, sure anything can happen, but seems ridiculous to be preparing yourself for less than 5% scenarios rather than preparing yourself for 45% scenarios, and sure that does not mean that NO preparation needs to be done for the 5% scenarios, but each of us should be attempting to prepare in accordance to the likelihood of the scenarios instead of attributing bad probability assignments to low likelihood events.

#DYOR
#YMMV
#BTMFD
# blah blah blah
 Wink
nohomo

So I have been spending a lot of time speculating on the commonness of the above rationale.

That combined with the people who FOMOed in at 15k plus 3 years ago are very likely to make the road between 15k-25k kinda swirly and narrow.

You could've said the exact same about the return to $1000 and there was a lot more pain and terror before that happened.

If you're still here the chances are you've had a long, long time to learn and increase your resolve. The hopeless and gullible will have acted on that hopelessness and gullibility long before.

I am remembering the way it was right at the time we blasted through 1k for the second time and then fell to what was it? 800 or so?

I think a LOT of people pulled ripcords around that time.

My scenario is directly inspired by a move of a LARGE amount of my personal holdings onto Kraken, and then a sober realization of the danger I was in and a move back off.  I did not sell any BTC, but i lost an enormous amount of privacy because of that emotionally charged indescretion.

Yep... exactly.. you are proving my point.

Those 3-4 months, right around the beginning of 2017 seemed like a long fuckign time, while they were happening, but the reality of the matter is that they were a blip on the radar in the whole scheme of things.. and looking back, we largely sailed right the hell past previous ATH of $1,163... even though that sailing past took nearly 4 months.... hahahahahaha

Of course, also, history is not going to repeat with any kind of exactness... but still does not mean that any of us should be overweighting those FUD spreading (shaking of the weak hands) scenarios in order to be included in the weak hand category.. which it sounds as if you, cAPSLOCK, have a predisposition to be.

Best strategy: Don't sell unless absolutely necessary.

Buy whenever possible and hold.

Resist the temptation to waste your bitcoins by buying fiat currencies just because the price went up. Be strong.

Do not deviate.

No one's going to sell to leave the money to rot in a bank account, unless they have some sort of condition.

I'm sure many here have areas of their life that they are looking to progress and are exceedingly tired of being chained to this whipsawing headfuck. I sure as shit am. I'd never be fully out of the game but I am extremely keen to not be so deep into it.

When the opportunity arises to exit enough to no longer have to care anywhere near as much it's being grabbed with both hands. Around half should do it.

It is a ratio thing.
Always be prepared to sell some, but not all.

Also when people say numbers like :
     10,000 ----------- been there done that
     20,000 ----------- been there done that

     50,000 ----------- to move to this number by 2021 means 922,339,050,000 or 922 billion

the world's money supply is easily able to achieve bumping btc to 50,000 or 922 billion by the years end
the world has well over     49,220 billion in wealth

so pushing btc to 50,000 by years end is not that hard to do.

So the upside if you have 3 coins right now is 150,000 by 2021 is possible.

If your coins cost you 3,900 x 3 = 11,700

do your math and figure what to sell.

If you want to be highest risk hold it all risking 11,700 for a possible 150,000

If you want to be lowest risk sell it all.  you get about 33,000 - 11,700 = 21,300 profit a certain win.

If you are sane and want to do what you said in your post

you sell 1.1 coins gives you 12100 you invested 11,700. you are up 400 usd.

and you have 1.9 coins in hand.

Set a price point for next sell say 20,000

do ratios  the upside is the 1.9 could go to 95,000

at 20,000 if you sell .4.  you get 8,000

and still have 1.5 coins.

You can alter the numbers since I do not know your cost basis or your coin wealth. But it is the 50-50 game or 60-40 game or 70-30 game I am playing.

philipma1957 is way nicer than me.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Nah I used to be meaner , but I have mellowed with age.
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AAPL is gapping 5-6% up in AH
FB 6%
AMZN 5%

I get it...the nice setup for investment banks to short the market either in am or midday tomorrow.
No deal on stimulus ensues.
SP500 would then gap down on Monday, with a local low by midweek or by Fri at the latest.

Proceed with caution re your purchases of btc (in the short term).
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