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[JayJuanGee]

All that being said, I am even worse off:  I didn’t buy Bitcoin at $0.06.  (And I didn’t CPU-mine back in 2009, damn it.)

Neither did most of the folks reading this.

In hindsight, Schoen made a stupid sale.  But he made a smart buy.  Did you?

Food for thought.

Well, I think I did. The difference between him and most of us, is that we knew what we were doing (or at least believed in it), while he didn't. If he did, he wouldn't have sold so early, and for such an insignificant total amount. In the end, it's not the relative gain that matters, but the absolute final value of one's wealth. It's much better to invest $50,000 and end up with $1M (20x), than to invest $1 and end up with $1000 (1000x).

Actually, that is quite true, AlcoHODL... i have seen quite a few examples of peeps who fail/refuse to take any kind of meaningful stake in bitcoin, but they may have had experienced some actual BTC price moves that cause their BTC investment to have significant percentage profits and even profits that are much better than some people (like yours truly) who had been buying and buying and buying, and ending up causing myself much higher prices than if I had attempted to lump sum into BTC. .and also buy starting to buy when I first heard about bitcoin rather that waiting for a dip that from my perspective may or may not happen (but ended up happening).

Having said that, I also regret not buying Bitcoin at $0.06, and not mining it in the early days. I guess I did not know about it enough at that time, to realise its potential. Funny thing is, I hated the word "Bitcoin" when I first heard it, but now I find it one of the most beautiful-sounding words in any language!

I have not experienced any of those kinds of regrets or lovenings... but that's just me, and perhaps a lack of programming in that direction.  

Would someone who is sufficiently retarded to use Twitter please go necro-bump this thread, or however it works there?

It seems that this thread hasn’t gotten any love since the start of the bear market in January of 2018.

N.b. that if he had held, he would have reached 1,000,000x gains at $60,000.  (100,000,000% ROI at $60,000.06.)  But the bubble has burst, and now he would be down to about 909,000x gains.  Bitcoin is dead, etc., etc.

https://twitter.com/GregSchoen/status/70261648811761665

https://twitter.com/GregSchoen/status/1036345830599479296?s=20

Who would've thunk that the guy converted into a shitcoiner.

There is some kind of "natural" progression into shitcoinery when selling too much BTC too early and not committing to get back into bitcoin within a relatively soon period of time (and/or admitting that you fucked up)... so yeah, those kind of nocoiner shitcoiners become smarter than everyone else and buy crap.. out of hope/prayer that they are going to beat bitcoin returns.. .. dumb fucks.

before that tell me if Pi is he or she?

If there were ever a time to use "they", maybe this would be it?

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[shahzadafzal]

I've never understood the intrinsic value argument against Bitcoin.

People will pay whatever they want to pay for something that is scarce and desirable such as BTC.
Whether it's a painting some Italian dude made centuries ago or a painting done by some modern day clown who supplies it with an automated shredder that only half worked.

Can you "picture" the Mona Lisa go back to zero bucks, ever? Maybe if you burn it it might lose some value. Even then the ashes would still be worth millions I reckon.

Let's take my favourite subject outside of BTC for example; whores.
I can pay a local whore in my country about $150 for an hour whilst the value given could be far better and memorable than a session from the number one popular whore in the world which will cost about 10 times as much.
10 sessions with a local top notch whore seems better value to me personally but for others they will want the number one popular whore in the world.

The intrinsic value argument is just a pile of pish if you ask me.

[shahzadafzal]

I have the WO saved as a bookmark, but one which always takes me back to page 673 (and I leave it that way just for old times sake). But today I noticed that the post which is normally at the top of that page has gone and can now be found much earlier, suggesting that someone has been deleting some pre−June 2013 posts.

Wondering why. Perhaps for OpSec? Perhaps there was another deletion event à la Boblaw? Perhaps it's not even noteworthy.

Wow just noticed to go back to page 673 you have to click 16 times, just to reach page 673

Call it a coincidence on Page 673 discussion is about "intrinsic value of BTC" and today on page 28454 after 8 years... discussion is again about intrinsic value of BTC

Anyway, the thing that is keeping things going is that people believe in the money. Money is essentially faith, we are seeing that with BTC. Intriniscally it has value for a few reasons, most notably its cryptographic security imo. Once people stop believing in the dollar, once they can't keep printing dollars to make the stock market go up (e.g. - worsening economy, rates that need to rise) = POP goes the weasel.

Wondering why. Perhaps for OpSec? Perhaps there was another deletion event à la Boblaw? Perhaps it's not even noteworthy.

Haven't seen this number changed for quite some time, 157 posts deleted, so i think no

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[BobLawblaw]

Have orders all the way down to $51,500. First order just got filled @ $55,500.

[shahzadafzal]

Editing a post size will also do this.

Nope, It won't... there's always 20 posts per page and size of the post doesn't matter.

[Hueristic]

Editing a post size will also do this.

Nope, It won't... there's always 20 posts per page and size of the post doesn't matter.

Ohh shit, wrong board duh, Weird

[Richy_T]

You can’t eat a bitcoin.  Etc.

But all of the same applies to the Euro.

It also applies to a peanut-butter sandwich if you have a peanut allergy.

Furthermore, Bitcoin does have an intrinsic value:  The ability to transact securely, permissionlessly, almost frictionlessly, moving money around the world with the click of a button.  It is an intangible value, but it is a value that is intrinsic to the nature of Bitcoin itself.  That drives its value as social money.  € and $ don’t have this value.

That's an intrinsic property. That has value to many of us in the modern world but it's not intrinsic value.

[Cryptotourist]

Let's take my favourite subject outside of BTC for example; whores.

Hey!!!

I can pay a local whore in my country about $150 for an hour whilst the value given could be far better and memorable than a session from the number one popular whore in the world which will cost about 10 times as much.

Brother!!!

10 sessions with a local top notch whore seems better value to me personally but for others they will want the number one popular whore in the world.

10 sessions ... with the same one? Yo?

[You ... spoiled it tbh. I like to choke bunnies, in a light BDSM way, and was getting all worked up about your avatar and username - until now.]

Who the fuck is she, to make so much money in an hour (plus ten years of holding)?  Phryne?

Word.

* nullius would pay good BTC for some time with Phryne.

Speaking from personal stats, one every 300 is around Phryne's magnitude. Speculating here. Maybe.
Gotta work that beast to find the true light.


Enough of this dip.
Let's get the fuck out of here, go BTC go!

[seek3r]

Dont swing trade! 

[BitcoinBunny]

So do we expect these Biden checks to make any difference today, pump above 60K towards 65K perhaps or just to be a fart in the wind?

[AlcoHoDL]

FWIW, somehow I don't believe this "Stimulus Check inrush into Bitcoin" is going to be as dramatic as some of us are expecting. Dare I say that it may not even register in the charts. Why? Because I don't really believe that the average US citizen is really going to rush and invest $1200 in Bitcoin just like that. I mean, if all these people wanted to invest in Bitcoin, they would have done it already. Also, I expect that the ones who do invest their Stimulus Checks in Bitcoin will sell their coins as soon as the price increases enough to give them a decent profit. The problem is that most of these people won't do it because they somehow "saw the light" and understood what Bitcoin is all about, but just to make a quick buck.

I could be totally wrong, but that's the way I see it. Nothing will happen. Just a small blip in the charts. What's needed are big moves like Elon's and Saylor's. Big institutional investors that buy Bitcoin in bulk with the intention to HoDL, and publicize it in any way they can. That's what will drive the price up.

My .02 BTC     Hey, that's nearly a Stimulus Check's worth of corn!

[NeuroticFish]

FWIW, somehow I don't believe this "Stimulus Check inrush into Bitcoin" is going to be as dramatic as some of us are expecting.

I did (and do) expect it to get into Bitcoin. But it won't be easy to spot it, because the causality is somewhat indirect.
I expect that companies will see that this means inflation and buy more Bitcoin. (And we're back to institutional investors you expect  )

But I did expect the price grow this week and it didn't, hence I can (too) easily be wrong.

[somac.]

Things are happening, even if the price doesn't reflect it at the moment.

CEO of NYDIG, "In the next week, you'll see gamechanging milestones for #bitcoin
 adoption in the financial landscape"
Eyes

https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1371923894043561987

Visa CEO Claims Cryptocurrencies Could Become "Extremely Mainstream"

https://u.today/visa-ceo-claims-cryptocurrencies-could-become-extremely-mainstream

[OutOfMemory]

Things are happening, even if the price doesn't reflect it at the moment.

CEO of NYDIG, "In the next week, you'll see gamechanging milestones for #bitcoin
 adoption in the financial landscape"
Eyes

https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1371923894043561987

Visa CEO Claims Cryptocurrencies Could Become "Extremely Mainstream"

https://u.today/visa-ceo-claims-cryptocurrencies-could-become-extremely-mainstream

Just like Covid, or Global Warming, it's boiling a while, up to the point when the pot explodes and the lid flies sky-high 

[BitcoinBunny]

Things are happening, even if the price doesn't reflect it at the moment.

CEO of NYDIG, "In the next week, you'll see gamechanging milestones for #bitcoin
 adoption in the financial landscape"
Eyes

https://twitter.com/DocumentingBTC/status/1371923894043561987

Visa CEO Claims Cryptocurrencies Could Become "Extremely Mainstream"

https://u.today/visa-ceo-claims-cryptocurrencies-could-become-extremely-mainstream

Just like Covid, or Global Warming, it's boiling a while, up to the point when the pot explodes and the lid flies sky-high 

A bit like what happens when someone's watching a Riley Reid video.

[rdbase]

Since we are in the mood for these NFT a'la the ICO craze many moons ago.
Elon selling his NFT song for $420 million.
This has got to be a reefer madness joke in there some where from his interview with Joe Rogan sparking up a blunt.

https://u.today/elon-musk-wants-to-be-paid-420-million-dogecoin-tokens-for-his-nft

edit: 420 mln in dogecoin that is. Sorry about that, celebrating St.Patrick's day a bit too early today.

This is how the shitcoin whales can legally reward him.

NFT sales are legal?
Says who?

Remember when ICO were offered and the startups all thought they were being so very cute and sly in the way of selling them off as assets?
Well the SEC shut that sh*t quite quick and after a while I am seeing them doing the same thing with these eventually.
They always seem to find that buttplug so to stop the stream in those loopholes the creators of these non-fungible things seem to always get around(exploit in the legal system?) at the start of their inception in the ether.

[JSRAW]

[AlcoHoDL]

As a mostly layman when it comes to maths (and sciences) funzies, could it be that one of the goals of continuing to attempt to calculate pi to further digits is to see if there might be a zero in there somewhere (I mean a last digit)? - and then we know how many actual digits pi has, rather than what seems to be an infinite number of digits without a last digit.  

We already know the answer to this: Pi has an infinite number of digits (i.e., there is no "last digit"). This is because Pi is an irrational number (it cannot be expressed as the ratio of two integers). Proof of this dates back to the 18th century (Lambert, 1761). The square root of 2 (1.414...) is another well-known irrational number.

We all (except Jay) know that π is an irrational sonofabitch; but is he normal?  

* Wrathful nullius is the negative one, because ’e is powered to imaginary·π.

Yes, I just implied that 0 = -1.  Well, that’s not as bad as looking for the last digit of π.

I presume you're referring to Pi and not Jay.

Now, that's a challenge. I would bet that Pi is normal, but that statement is worthless...

Funny thing is that I was confused by the same thing when I read that nullius sentence, but I did not want to say anything to cause my lil selfie to appear MOAR dummer than I actually am, and that's why from time to time I present "deeper ideas" in "baby talk."

 

It's perfectly normal not to know that Pi is irrational. In fact, I'd say that it's MOAR normal not to know this, than to know it. Therefore, to answer nullius' question, I conjecture that both Pi and you, are normal (unproven in both cases).

Your comment sparked an interesting WO-style discussion, and that's a good thing.

[ivomm]

FWIW, somehow I don't believe this "Stimulus Check inrush into Bitcoin" is going to be as dramatic as some of us are expecting. Dare I say that it may not even register in the charts. Why? Because I don't really believe that the average US citizen is really going to rush and invest $1200 in Bitcoin just like that. I mean, if all these people wanted to invest in Bitcoin, they would have done it already. Also, I expect that the ones who do invest their Stimulus Checks in Bitcoin will sell their coins as soon as the price increases enough to give them a decent profit. The problem is that most of these people won't do it because they somehow "saw the light" and understood what Bitcoin is all about, but just to make a quick buck.

I could be totally wrong, but that's the way I see it. Nothing will happen. Just a small blip in the charts. What's needed are big moves like Elon's and Saylor's. Big institutional investors that buy Bitcoin in bulk with the intention to HoDL, and publicize it in any way they can. That's what will drive the price up.

My .02 BTC     Hey, that's nearly a Stimulus Check's worth of corn!

It depends. If the week turns green, we can expect an even stronger spike than usual. That could lead into 85K+ area. If the week remains red, then some may prefer to wait to time the bottom. In that case there will be no fireworks, but a bigger crash would be avoided also. So it is a win-win situation for the bulls. Moreover, the americans are used to invest at least 10% of any saved fiat into Bitcoin and stocks. The surveys show that 5-10% of the 400 bil checks will be invested in Bitcoin. Which means 350-700K bitcoins bought on Coinbase. The total reserve (hot and cold wallet) ot that exchange is 690K bitcoins. So anyone (except the moron proudcunt) can do the math. The liquidity crisis may not be visible on the charts of CQ and Glassnode, since most of the bought bitcoins will remain on the exchange. But this will lead to a violent bull run sooner or later. I agree though that retail buyers will seek fast profit, so perhaps they will cash out around 110-120K, where we can go pretty fast, but not unexpected at least for me.

[BitcoinBunny]

So anyone (except the moron proudcunt) can do the math.