Remember in late 2015, Peter wuille came up with a compromise (which was segwit), and for about 6 months (while segwit was coded and tested), there was a lot of consensus that it was great, but then with the passage of time, the disingenuine BIG blocker fucktwats just started to make up other shit about various disagreements they had with it.. .
Segwit was presented as something that it wasn't.
At this point, who fucking cares? The ideas went through the BIP process in late 2015 and early 2016, code was written, reviewed and tested in early 2016 and middle of 2016, and in about November 2016 the segwit code was included and able to signal.. and had a year to either signal (wasn't it 95%?) or to have to be taken out after November 2017.. Anyhow, various shenanigans and proposals happened in 2017, and by August 2017, the code had achieved 95% signaling and it was locked in and activated in August 2017. In other words, the code reached the 95% needed consensus.
Since August of 2017, there has been a lot of building on segwit, so if you want it reversed or modified, you have to go through the same or a similar consensus process to get it reversed or modified. That's not going to happen because it seems to be doing its thing, it is getting built upon, and there is nothing broken about it, as far as I know (or care for that matter).
As people looked more and more into it, the problems became clear. It wasn't on-chain scaling. It increased the size per transaction, it moved certain parts of the transaction off-chain, it messed with the cost model of transactions, it required major changes to nodes and wallets and it didn't provide the increase in capacity promised.
So what? It was passed in August 2017 by more than 95% consensus. It is now part of bitcoin, and people have been building and developing upon it for nearly 4 years.
Even today, it only adds 30% to the paltry 1MB in actual use because lies and gaslighting.
So the 95% consensus was not real? the 95% consensus did not happen? or you are saying that peeps were tricked into agreeing to it, so it was fraudulent consensus? What is the solution? nullify segwit? Does not seem very realistic to me. Aren't we trying to deal with real scenarios rather than whining about past "could have beens"?
Yes, people weren't happy with this.
Sure there were a lot of vocal whiners that got increasingly loud starting in about 2017, and even continued quite a while after 2017 - even after they got their own lil forkening.. and sure there are still some straggler whiners, like ur lil selfie, Richy_T.
Though I don't know why I'm having to go over this,
You are going over it because you are bitter, and you cannot get over it.
you've got perfect memory of it all, right?
I doubt that my memory is perfect, yet who fucking cares what I remember. If you believe that the history is relevant to getting whatever change that you would like to achieve, then pray tell. You have the burdens of showing how that might be relevant, and maybe proposing what you would like to do about that now in order that we are going to be able to move forward rather than either whining about the past or whining about how our memories of the past might differ in various ways
(that are supposedly relevant to current material issues, perhaps?).
You can make up any shit that you want... but you just sound bitter and resentful and crying over spilt milk.. It's already spilt.
Just putting the record straight.
I doubt that you put anything straight. You just stated some various renditions regarding reasons that you believe that you and your fellow BIG blockers are supposedly victims of injustices.
But yes, doesn't make much difference now.
It only seems to make a difference in the sense that you want to keep talking about it.
"Big blockers" just wanted a bit of organic on-chain scaling while Bitcoin is in its growth phase.
That argument seemed to have lost. Segwit passed, but there was nothing like increasing the blocks that passed... so some of the diptwats decided to fork off into bcash.. which later forked again into bcash sv.. and both of those were opportunities to put your nonsense BIG blocker ideas to work. From what I understand those to pieces of shit coins are just like bitcoin, except that they have BIG blocks.. What else could you want?
Though CSW is a tit who should be in jail.
What does that have to do with anything related to bitcoin? He's some dweeb involved in a shitcoin.. that happens to espouse your ideas of BIG blocks. I am having some troubles understanding what point(s) if any you are wanting to make except whining about history that is long in the past. Is there any modern day reason to discuss, including in this here thread?
If you cannot meet your burden of proof (evidence) and burden of persuasion (logic) then the status quo continues. Big blockers had the same problem in 2015/2016, and then even after a proposal was passed, coded and then tested, they changed their minds and said that they did not like it, but they did not present another proposal that was able to reach consensus... segwit reached consensus and those various block limit increase proposals did not get accepted then, and it seems even more doubtful that they will get accepted now because bitcoin seems to be working even better than it was working in 2015-2017 as far as I can see... - unless you can provide evidence and logic to convince me otherwise, and actually who gives any shits what I think submit your BIP and go through the official channels so that your dumbass ideas that lack both evidence and logic can get discussed and agreed to.
Yes, one voice going it alone would make all the difference.
I would think that part of getting consensus is to convince others to make whatever change that you are proposing. So if you cannot convince anyone but yourself, then you are not going to get consensus in bitcoin, but you could start your own coin, I suppose. Starting your own coin worked pretty well for Vitalik, didn't it?
It's not like they kicked Gavin out of the repository where previously he was previously the head maintainer. Except they did with a bullshit excuse.
So you are talking about something from 2016? Not sure about what kicking out Gavin has much to do with anything that we should consider right now at this moment. Are you trying to suggest that there is some kind of conspiracy to disallow disagreeing voices otherwise they get de-platformed? Pretty vague accusations, if that is what you are wanting to suggest about something that happened in 2016 in terms of maybe your inability to bring something up now that is surely needed in bitcoin but you are having trouble getting your message out there?
Look, there's a discussion to be had and I'm going to say my piece. Just get over it.
I responded to you. It's not like I am not cooperating. I am probably your best friend, here.. because I am acknowledging what you are saying, even though I am largely proclaiming a vast amount of it to be lacking in persuasiveness.. at least so far.. .. but sure, others might differ in their opinions of your presentation of purported relevant information.
We can go back to your regularly scheduled walls of nonsense shortly. It only comes up every 2-3 months and doesn't last long.
You can bring it up every day if you want.. I am not sure how well it will go over. I am just giving my responses .. last I checked we were in a public thread.. or at least members of the forum can post so long as they do not get their posting privileges removed.
In other words, why agree to a change that is not agreed to and you are not even going through the proper channels to try to get such a change considered... in other words, no one gives any fucks about your made up claims and your whining about history in which you supposedly were not heard because that BIP system was there all along, and there was not evidence and logic to persuade.. and then the nonsense did get implemented on those other bullshit bcash chains, and wonder why no one is using those superior BIG block systems? Surely not superior nor a better mouse trap because if it were true, after nearly 4 years for one of the bcash pieces of crap and nearly 3 years for the other bcash crap, you would think that those BIG blocker versions of bitcoin would gain some traction besides just being scams? Go figure why they have never amounted to shit, except means to deceive, confuse and mislead people (especially newbies) about bitcoin?
Why are we talking about "shitcoins"? Are you trying to trap me into talking about them so you can accuse me of shilling for them?
No. I would prefer not to talk about shitcoins, and I believe that my above response speaks for itself in terms of why I mentioned those bcash shitcoins.
Hard fail on that. Not relevant. We are talking about Bitcoin here.
Ok. No argument from me on that, even though I doubt that the purported "fail" is so "hard" as you are characterizing it to be, if there were any fail at all?...
The negatives of restricting the block size so small continue to bring about things like high fees and potentially worse, unpredictable fees. The stories of the problems these cause people are real.
Maybe bitcoin is not for people who are either getting damaged or they cannot find a use case for bitcoin?
You gotta learn to be able to cope with dissenting voices without spinning off into a hissy-fit. Why does it threaten you so much?
I don't remember either not coping with dissenting voices or spinning off into a hissy fit. That's news to me.
I do have opinions on some topics, but not sure where you get that I am feeling threatened, either.
You might need a more specific example? I probably should just let my various posts speak for themselves rather than going into more seeming irrelevance than you already seem to be leading.
[By the way, you do know that BIPs are very centralized, right? This is a major problem I have with the small blocker side, they're quite happy with centralization when it suits them and it tends to only be a concern in hand-wavy ways when it is]
You have some kind of proposal then? I thought that submitting a BIP would be the right way to go forward with some kinds of proposals. My way of dealing with a lot of the matters related to bitcoin is to figure out for myself if I am going to buy any or not and how much I am going to buy, so I have not participated in the BIP process because I am already happy with various ways that I use BTC, and it seems to be working pretty good for me so far.. of course, sometimes I do have to learn new things such as how to hold my coins or where to put them.
Again, we're in a public thread, so if you posted in the thread then anyone can respond to whatever you said or did not say or whatever any member wants to say that might be responsive to what you said or not.
If you're trying to silence my voice, then fuck you and you have no right to poo-poo my statements about others being silenced with an attitude like that.
I think that my various responses, so far, have been appropriate, adequate and within my discretion regarding what to write or not to write, and was not meant as any attempt to silence you or your bot, even if i believe you said a lot of dumb, whining about the past and irrelevant things, and even though I believe that you have failed and refused to provide evidence or logic why any of us should give any shits about your vague BIGblocker supposedly in good faith ongoing nonsense. You still have rights to continue to say such ongoingly dumb things, and maybe after a while some of us might start to accuse you of trying to derail or shill the thread with such ongoing nonsense rather than really contributing anything of value... but then hey what are you shilling besides bitcoin naysaying and BIG blocker nonsense? maybe it will start to make sense at some point, perhaps? perhaps? but I am having my doubts since you kind of seem to be stuck in the past nonsense and get stuck in the weeds of irrelevancies about supposedly being locked out rather than really presenting any current problem that bitcoin has or presenting some meaningful way forward.. or that might have some resonance with anyone besides yourself or maybe even taking that to some other thread .. because we have gone through a lot of that stuff already, and it does not all of a sudden become relevant because time has past but you still do not have facts or logic to show that it is an important topic.. so it seems to me.. at least as of the time of my typing this post.
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