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June 20, 2021, 10:54:21 AM

Imagine selling now if you didn't at $60k  Cheesy

Joke on you... that's still 653.89% up of my average buy...  Wink
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June 20, 2021, 11:43:10 AM
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Bitcoin is below $34K, triggered by Elon Musk's energy FUD and China's mining crack down.

There is also a more fundamental reason that we see weakness in June, and possibly July. My worst case scenario for 2021 (price/on-chain based): Aug>47K, Sep>43K, Oct>63K, Nov>98K, Dec>135K

https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1406577006230245376?s=21
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Bitcoin is below $34K, triggered by Elon Musk's energy FUD and China's mining crack down.

There is also a more fundamental reason that we see weakness in June, and possibly July. My worst case scenario for 2021 (price/on-chain based): Aug>47K, Sep>43K, Oct>63K, Nov>98K, Dec>135K

https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1406577006230245376?s=21

I hope he is right and I think he will be, but, he must be thinking somewhere in his mind that his model may no longer be working.

I suspect that we just need to clear all this Chinese shit out. Their miners need to be completely shutdown, or moved before this thing settles. God knows how much longer that will take.

I'm also wondering what happens with the Greyscale trust, I heard that 650million will be unlocked from there next month. I don't know if that is BTC or USD.

If things go bad, I wouldn't be surprised to see 15k even if only for a very short time. Markets are worried right now, if a sell of happens BTC will go down too.
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June 20, 2021, 12:08:25 PM

There will be no taping, pulling or rubbing of neither my Helmuth nor my glockenspiel, thank you.
But thanks for your input.  Grin

Edit, What's doc leaves?

Not sure about your country but in England they are a broad-leaved plant that grows near nettles that contain a chemical that soothes the pain and itching that nettles cause (the 'doc' is short for 'doctor', I believe). Hmm. Just looked and it's "dock" leaves and apparently they don't actually contain anything, it's just the rubbing action that helps. Well shit, there's another piece of my childhood gone Sad

I guess you could make some nettle tea. Brings a new meaning to teabagging.

Edit: Apparently alkali substances can help with the nettle stings.

Looked it up.
Have seen it countless of times but never new it's name, apparently it's "Tomtskräppa" in Swedish, weird name.
It sems to have a weird name in many languishes, in German it's "Stumpfblättriger Ampfer", I bet no Germans in here knew that.

native speaker says it is "Sauerampfer". but without a pic it can be almost anything.  Roll Eyes

EDIT: no it's not. Arriemoller was right. it is "Rumex obtusifolius" in German "Stumpfblättriger Ampfer". but looks to me the same as the other one.  Grin
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June 20, 2021, 12:12:25 PM

Sunny Sunday bro’s…
Languishing bitcoin value.
When do we strap in?


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June 20, 2021, 12:16:34 PM
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It's quite sad that Elon tweeting about bitcoin and tesla accepting bitcoin for their cars had a bigger impact on price than a country turning it into real currency, like wtf.
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Imagine selling now if you didn't at $60k  Cheesy

Yeah, my cousin just ordered a 75-inch TV with the money he got by selling corn a week ago.

I've warned him that this will soon be the most expensive TV set he has ever bought in his life. He didn't listen to me.
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So It was hot as hell last night and I decided to go outside, naked, to cool of (I live in the countryside). It so happened that I walked in to my neighbors old corral and what I thought was just high grass was also nettles. I stung my legs, butt, and Helmuth and the glockenspiel, I have had a trying night.

just learned the name is "Johnson". amateurs.  Roll Eyes
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June 20, 2021, 12:25:19 PM

Chinese miners crackdown, energy FUD, Goldman Sachs shorting, stock market tanking and dragging Bitcoin down with it.

Crazy how sentiment changed so quickly.
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Chinese miners crackdown, energy FUD, Goldman Sachs shorting, stock market tanking and dragging Bitcoin down with it.

Crazy how sentiment changed so quickly.

Is goldman shorting bitcoin?
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Chinese miners crackdown, energy FUD, Goldman Sachs shorting, stock market tanking and dragging Bitcoin down with it.

Crazy how sentiment changed so quickly.

Is goldman shorting bitcoin?

around the U.S. open corn was dumped out of the market like sh*t. so some technical oriented guys gave up.

looks like more sideways now. rally is delayed because it seems they don't want to have the corn to expensive to still fill their pockets at least until end of August.

Proof: yesterday someone posted that but deleted it just afterwards. but Eagleeye was faster.  Grin

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/18/bitcoin-goldman-sachs-ramps-up-trading-in-partnership-with-mike-novogratz-galaxy-digital.html

I was the one who deleted it to spare negativity.

This sucks but we can't do nothing about it besides waiting for the rebound. Saw great indicators it wil happen but it has been postponed for now. Sad
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June 20, 2021, 12:52:09 PM

Chinese miners crackdown, energy FUD, Goldman Sachs shorting, stock market tanking and dragging Bitcoin down with it.

Crazy how sentiment changed so quickly.

Is goldman shorting bitcoin?

around the U.S. open corn was dumped out of the market like sh*t. so some technical oriented guys gave up.

looks like more sideways now. rally is delayed because it seems they don't want to have the corn to expensive to still fill their pockets at least until end of August.

Proof: yesterday someone posted that but deleted it just afterwards. but Eagleeye was faster.  Grin

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/18/bitcoin-goldman-sachs-ramps-up-trading-in-partnership-with-mike-novogratz-galaxy-digital.html

I was the one who deleted it to spare negativity.

This sucks but we can't do nothing about it besides waiting for the rebound. Saw great indicators it wil happen but it has been postponed for now. Sad

I'm not seeing anything in there that says they are shorting the market. Just that they will be offering exposure to clients through Galaxy Digital.
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Chinese miners crackdown, energy FUD, Goldman Sachs shorting, stock market tanking and dragging Bitcoin down with it.

Crazy how sentiment IN THE MEDIA changed so quickly.

All by design and on purpose. Happens after every momentum trade and bubble burst.

Every. Single. Time.

It's easy for the whales to massively short, what they themselves massively pumped in the first place. They have controlled the float all along.

They are just selling back to the themselves, dumping into their own walls, in the hopes that some n00bs will buy into the negative sentiment, sell and take a loss.

Blame the exchanges that are willing to give them the ridiculous leverage.

In the long run it doesn't matter. We all know where it's going.
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This leads me to a projection. The projection is mainly based on the idea of averages. The averages can tell us where Bitcoin is on a binary scale: overvalued or undervalued. Assuming that Bitcoin's true value is still increasing, investing in Bitcoin is still a good choice on the long term. But timing your entry right can mean the difference between a big win and a massive win.

The idea of the chart is that big bottoms in a cycle occur in an area far below the purple line. The purple line (in the 3Day chart) is currently at $20,000.

We have seen that the Bitcoin markets have plenty of speculative money in them + derivative trading. What goes up big time, can also go down big time. Especially in times of fear.

The assumption underlying the chart is that the current financial markets move along until something breaks. That's how it usually goes. A bank going bust, a large company is marked junk. It could be anything that suddenly breaks the markets. Stonks slide, yields go down and everything is sold in order to obtain cold hard cash.

The FED and other CBs step in and 'save the day' by printing even more money. After the panic subsides, market participants jump back in with both hands on the waves of yet another Great Reflation.

I take this as the default scenario.

The chart is essentially about extending the moving averages based on the 2018-2019 bear market (copy/paste). Extend and duration will probably not match the future; it's just an 'what if' exploration. For instance, the March 2020 panic will probably remain an outlier.

The chart gives me confidence:

  • even in a major downturn - a Bitcoin bear market and/or the GFC 202x occurring - price is not expected go lower than approx 50% from here
  • with nothing fundamentally changed to the long term Bitcoin growth drivers, buying a bit at this price point is fine
  • this is the worst case scenario for me. Working through this period will probably take less time


I have come to the same conclusion.  But arrived at it using mining data.

Best miner does about 30 watts a th

so a th earns 22 cents

lets say I have 100 of them

100 x .22 = 22 dollars a day

30 watts x 100 = 3000 or 3 kwatts or 72 kwatts a day


at 5 cents =  3.60


22.00- 3.60 = 18.4   that is  0.000555 btc


or 1/0.000555  = a factor of  1801.80

1 = 1 btc

to earn 1 btc a day
 
1801 x 3.60 = 6483 in power  

while it seems way under the 15000 number for the low it neglects costs of your building your internet your wiring and your miners

A s19 went for 6000 at Bitmain it has a 2-3  year life on average so it cost 8.22 a day to own it. use 8.22 x 1801 you get 14,804

so 14,804 + 6483 = 21,287  which is well over 15k

but s19 also went for 3000 at bitmain
that means 4.21 a day to own

or 7,402 + 6483 = 13885 which is under 15k

the cost of the s19 is base on 2 year not 3 year.

I get 21,287+13885 = 35172/2 = 17586 fairly close to his 15k number.

I do suspect the life span to be over 2 and under 3 years. which means that 17586 is a bit high but not off by much remarkable that it is so close to his 15k number.  Since the way to get the number is very different.


So basically for mining a btc I get true cost close to 15-18k .

I mentioned earlier that this is different than 2018 here is why.

2017 12/31 diff = 2.60th
2018 01/31 diff = 3.01th
2018 02/28 diff = 3.46th
2018 03/31 diff = 4.02th
2018 04/30 diff = 4.31th
2018 05/31 diff = 5.08th
2018 06/30 diff = 5.95th
2018 07/31 diff = 6.73th
2018 08/31 diff = 7.15th
2018 09/30 diff = 7.45th.

2018 10/30 diff = 7.18th

so with faltering prices the diff rose 9 months in a row

that is not true right now.  

and this means it is different this time

"fact not conjecture"

Just not sure what will happen. Due to this fundamental difference in mining profit.
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June 20, 2021, 01:33:57 PM
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MSM Narrative:

"China imposing bitcoin mining crackdown, forcing large miners to shut down"


Reality:


"China insiders subsidizing large miners to temporarily turn off hash power. Will tell them to resume when insider whales have scooped up enough cheap coins."


AKA I'm not buying into this "China miner crackdown FUD BS" for an instant.  Grin
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Imagine selling now if you didn't at $60k  Cheesy
imagine buying now and selling at $160k

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imagine buying at $160k if you didn't at $60k Cool
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