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[suchmoon]

By the same token, just because a person has covid when they die, doesn't mean they died of covid.  It's portrayed in quite the opposite manner though; it IS a covid related death even though they may have died due to taking a shower.

That's a pervasive conspiracy theory but not really true in most cases. IIRC some states (Oregon?) at one point didn't separate deaths "from COVID-19" and "with COVID-19" but the discrepancy is minimal even if you extrapolated it to the whole country. Your own assertion that 10% of people tested positive combined with normal annual death rate (below 1%) shows that this would barely make a dent in the 600k number.

Okay, I realize people are dying with covid but excess deaths on a 5 year average which doesn't take into account shifting age demographics or increasing population doesn't show us anything that would help to answer the question I posed.  We know that around 600,000 people in the US have died while either confirmed positive with covid or considered a presumptive covid case so far - I am not questioning that.  I'm not denying that covid is real or bad.  My question was, how many lost years of life does that represent as compared to lost years of life due to the negative vaccine side effects on the entire population of earth + booster shots for the rest of our lives.  After all, we're targeting 100% vaccination while only about 10% of the US population has tested positive for covid-19 and the mRNA technology is new and still experimental.

Death rates are quite stable year to year except for events like swine flue and now COVID-19. CDC data on this is quite extensive so if you can find something there to support your hypothesis please share. I don't really see anything like that. Even if you take VAERS numbers as vaccine-caused deaths (gross exaggeration) it's still quite obvious that the vaccine dramatically (~ ten-fold) reduces the risk of death or complications from COVID-19 and that is true among all age groups. Why would anyone not take a lower chance of death over a higher chance is quite puzzling but that's the funky times we live in.

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@suchmoon

In the UK, anybody who is infected with COVID but dies up to 28 days after testing positive of anything is recorded as a COVID death.

You could test positive today but get run over by a truck next week & your death would be officially recorded as a COVID death stat.

I am not kidding!

I’m mid 30’s, haven’t been vaccinated, unsure if I will but at the moment i don’t feel the need to.

I think the COVID deaths recorded are way over cooked. Mostly older & already ill people die of/with COVID. I’m not a conspiracy nut but the whole charade has been ridiculous imo.

On 19 July all social distancing is legally removed & masks are no longer required by law here & I can’t wait.

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[Biodom]

@suchmoon

In the UK, anybody who is infected with COVID but dies up to 28 days after testing positive of anything is recorded as a COVID death.

You could test positive today but get run over by a truck next week & your death would be officially recorded as a COVID death stat.

I am not kidding!

I’m mid 30’s, haven’t been vaccinated, unsure if I will but at the moment i don’t feel the need to.

I think the COVID deaths recorded are way over cooked. Mostly older & already ill people die of/with COVID. I’m not a conspiracy nut but the whole charade has been ridiculous imo.

On 19 July all social distancing is legally removed & masks are no longer required by law here & I can’t wait.

How it was counted is irrelevant since excess mortality went up and now mostly disappeared (after vaccination campaign in US and UK-see graph, choose UK and US.
First decline were masks/closing/soc distancing, second- vaccination.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid (link provided by @suchmoon)

Personally, I don't support mandatory vaccinations, but having a relatively large pool of unvaccinated people increases the "field" for the virus to propagate in and, therefore, produce new variants that could potentially break through to both vaccinated and unvaccinated. Non-replicating virus cannot mutate.

[marcus_of_augustus]

... you can know you're drunk on the kool-aid when you consider healthy people are the 'patients'

[marcus_of_augustus]

İf I dont want to take that vaccine then I dont want it. İt should be my choice.

Except for the part where you infect others.

... the current vaccines are non-sterilising, especially mRNA vacc., this means you will still spread the virus and 'infect others' if you are vaccinated or not

... so you can park that particularly odious moral superiority guilt-trip attempt

[marcus_of_augustus]

Personally, I don't support mandatory vaccinations, but having a relatively large pool of unvaccinated people increases the "field" for the virus to propagate in and, therefore, produce new variants that could potentially break through to both vaccinated and unvaccinated. Non-replicating virus cannot mutate.

... see above, the vaccines are non-sterilising so the virus is still replicating, and mutating, among the vaccinated so your logic is based on a fallacy

.... it maybe advantageous in these circumstances to maintain a pool of unvaccinated in case a mutant that proves to be extraordinarily deadly arises in the vaccinated population that is less deadly for the naturally immune, as an insurance policy for humanity

[Biodom]

Personally, I don't support mandatory vaccinations, but having a relatively large pool of unvaccinated people increases the "field" for the virus to propagate in and, therefore, produce new variants that could potentially break through to both vaccinated and unvaccinated. Non-replicating virus cannot mutate.

... see above, the vaccines are non-sterilising so the virus is still replicating, and mutating, among the vaccinated so your logic is based on a fallacy

.... it maybe advantageous in these circumstances to maintain a pool of unvaccinated in case a mutant that proves to be extraordinarily deadly arises in the vaccinated population that is less deadly for the naturally immune, as an insurance policy for humanity

Maybe, but I wouldn't be so categorical about non-sterilizing as there is some evidence that moderna could be sterilizing 90 days after 2nd injection (see ref 10 in the link below):
https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-19-vaccines-and-sterilizing-immunity-5092148

re second-there is always a good idea to have some people that are different in behavior and everything else, hence i do not support mandatory vaxxing (apart from very deadly agents, of course).

[nutildah]

... see above, the vaccines are non-sterilising so the virus is still replicating, and mutating, among the vaccinated so your logic is based on a fallacy

This was known about the covid vaccine from the very beginning. It still doesn't render it ineffective against controlling spread of the virus. If it did, why are cases falling in places with substantial rates of vaccination?



https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccines-need-not-completely-stop-covid-transmission-to-curb-the-pandemic1/#

In a paper in the October 2020 issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine, researchers modeled what a COVID-19 vaccine with varying types of protection could mean. They found that if a vaccine protects 80 percent of those immunized and 75 percent of the population is vaccinated, it could largely end an epidemic without other measures such as social distancing...

...if the vaccine only prevents disease or reduces viral shedding rather than eliminating it, additional public health measures may still be necessary. Even so, Lee stressed that a widespread nonsterilizing vaccine could still reduce burden on the health care system and save lives.

This was written all the way back in January, and guess what? It did save lives.

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[eXPHorizon]

If anyone needs 0.75L of the Best White Vine they have ever ever and i mean ever drank let me know. It is ... worth every cent, it is 100k per bottle and it is only 100 Liters of Heartmade Vine and probably the best of this time... It makey your hair stay up due to of surprise of taste


Jesus H Christ this is tasty

Ur pro vine taster, eXPHorizon 

[Hueristic]

Time Travel brings me to Electricity. What do you guys think Reality is powered by? Electricity. Which many Electrical currents exist. Its a selfsustainable element which is the fundamental to all life in the Creation. Electricity is attraction and gravity, it is everything , it moves particles around . ... However i would like to explore the Holy Element even further to broaden my horizons by experimenting with various elemental procedures.


It is sad that we are currently 100 years into the Electrical era and we as Humanity think we have tapped into the outmost absolute secrets and ways about it .

Looks like someone just discovered lsd.

This made me lol and I was about to merit it until I realized you quoted the Scamming Cryptonian troll.

[Hueristic]

[eXPHorizon]

Time Travel brings me to Electricity. What do you guys think Reality is powered by? Electricity. Which many Electrical currents exist. Its a selfsustainable element which is the fundamental to all life in the Creation. Electricity is attraction and gravity, it is everything , it moves particles around . ... However i would like to explore the Holy Element even further to broaden my horizons by experimenting with various elemental procedures.


It is sad that we are currently 100 years into the Electrical era and we as Humanity think we have tapped into the outmost absolute secrets and ways about it .

Looks like someone just discovered lsd.

This made me lol and I was about to merit it until I realized you quoted the Scamming Cryptonian troll.

I pressed Unignore for this stupid shit ?

[fillippone]

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You saw it coming.
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[Arriemoller]

What about the released footage of the unexplained airborne phenomena (or what ever they called it). That might be probes from the future.

I am not sure that i know which Video Footage you are talking about. Got a link ?

Here you go.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/25/ufos-us-government-report

[cAPSLOCK]

If anyone needs 0.75L of the Best White Vine they have ever ever and i mean ever drank let me know. It is ... worth every cent, it is 100k per bottle and it is only 100 Liters of Heartmade Vine and probably the best of this time... It makey your hair stay up due to of surprise of taste


Jesus H Christ this is tasty

Ur pro vine taster, eXPHorizon 

I tend to lean towards reds for sure... But I do quite like a very very DRY white.  For ~$33 I think it would need to be dry for me.

[marcus_of_augustus]

... see above, the vaccines are non-sterilising so the virus is still replicating, and mutating, among the vaccinated so your logic is based on a fallacy

This was known about the covid vaccine from the very beginning. It still doesn't render it ineffective against controlling spread of the virus. If it did, why are cases falling in places with substantial rates of vaccination?



https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccines-need-not-completely-stop-covid-transmission-to-curb-the-pandemic1/#

In a paper in the October 2020 issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine, researchers modeled what a COVID-19 vaccine with varying types of protection could mean. They found that if a vaccine protects 80 percent of those immunized and 75 percent of the population is vaccinated, it could largely end an epidemic without other measures such as social distancing...

...if the vaccine only prevents disease or reduces viral shedding rather than eliminating it, additional public health measures may still be necessary. Even so, Lee stressed that a widespread nonsterilizing vaccine could still reduce burden on the health care system and save lives.

This was written all the way back in January, and guess what? It did save lives.

... thanks for backing up my point, the vaccines were never primarily about preventing the spread of the virus since it is already endemic and the vaccines are in the most part non-sterilising

... the vaccines were primarily about preventing overwhelming hospitalisations, which they have now done aided no doubt by natural immunity, your move public health gurus .... i.e. preventing overwhelming hospitalisations does not require population-wide vaccination and virus eradication, that would be an expansion of the vaccination mandate

... shifting the goalposts comes easily though for those drunk on pandemic-induced fear and powers grabbed

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[philipma1957]

keep it up buddy.

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