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April 03, 2014, 04:15:07 PM

4hr crossed back due to the much pump quick dump..imagine the fireworks if we get a strong crossing 4hr Cheesy
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April 03, 2014, 04:17:27 PM

can we explain a single actor buying 5k coins?

As mentioned, margin call, or, maybe even more likely, plain old fashioned belief in future price increase. I'm firmly in the bear segment for now, but even I can see how it might make sense to buy in now with a large sum (at the risk of short-term losing some of your depot's value) under the assumption that the long term growth potential that outweighs that risk is still there. It's all about different time frames in which market participants calculate (and, no, I don't necessarily say those who think "long term" are making the smarter choice).
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April 03, 2014, 04:21:14 PM

Does anyone else feel that the 400USD Wall @ Bitstamp   is actually a selling wall
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April 03, 2014, 04:24:22 PM

can we explain a single actor buying 5k coins?

As mentioned, margin call, or, maybe even more likely, plain old fashioned belief in future price increase. I'm firmly in the bear segment for now, but even I can see how it might make sense to buy in now with a large sum (at the risk of short-term losing some of your depot's value) under the assumption that the long term growth potential that outweighs that risk is still there. It's all about different time frames in which market participants calculate (and, no, I don't necessarily say those who think "long term" are making the smarter choice).

On bitfinex there really hasn't been a large amount of short sellers compared to the number of longs that are being made. Usually you would expect a trend reversal when shorts out number the amount of longs, causing a short squeeze, which would somewhat indicate a trend reversal. There are far to many people right now betting that the price will bounce up immediately paying .2% interest a day on bitfinex.  
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April 03, 2014, 04:25:23 PM

Does anyone else feel that the 400USD Wall @ Bitstamp   is actually a selling wall
How is it a selling wall Huh
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April 03, 2014, 04:26:18 PM

Those tiny sells on Stamp... Someone's trying to push the price down psychologically!
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April 03, 2014, 04:26:58 PM

Does anyone else feel that the 400USD Wall @ Bitstamp   is actually a selling wall
How is it a selling wall Huh

When you're a bear , even the last 5k buy was in fact a 5k sell Smiley
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April 03, 2014, 04:29:14 PM

Does anyone else feel that the 400USD Wall @ Bitstamp   is actually a selling wall
How is it a selling wall Huh

When you're a bear , even the last 5k buy was in fact a 5k sell Smiley

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April 03, 2014, 04:29:28 PM

can we explain a single actor buying 5k coins?

As mentioned, margin call, or, maybe even more likely, plain old fashioned belief in future price increase. I'm firmly in the bear segment for now, but even I can see how it might make sense to buy in now with a large sum (at the risk of short-term losing some of your depot's value) under the assumption that the long term growth potential that outweighs that risk is still there. It's all about different time frames in which market participants calculate (and, no, I don't necessarily say those who think "long term" are making the smarter choice).

On bitfinex there really hasn't been a large amount of short sellers compared to the number of longs that are being made. Usually you would expect a trend reversal when shorts out number the amount of longs, causing a short squeeze, which would somewhat indicate a trend reversal. There are far to many people right now betting that the price will bounce up immediately paying .2% interest a day on bitfinex.  

Don't know how fine grained the data from
http://charts-bfxdata.rhcloud.com/bitfinexLiquidityBTC.php
is, but in principle we should be able to see it in there in a few hours if it was short squeeze. But I agree, not the most likely explanation. I go with attempt at pump&dump (not all that likely either), whale trying to stabilize price (seems like a lost cause to me), or simply: buy in by large actor (most likely, and mildly bullish)
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April 03, 2014, 04:30:29 PM

can we explain a single actor buying 5k coins?

As mentioned, margin call, or, maybe even more likely, plain old fashioned belief in future price increase. I'm firmly in the bear segment for now, but even I can see how it might make sense to buy in now with a large sum (at the risk of short-term losing some of your depot's value) under the assumption that the long term growth potential that outweighs that risk is still there. It's all about different time frames in which market participants calculate (and, no, I don't necessarily say those who think "long term" are making the smarter choice).

Look at the orderbook. A lot of the buying was people moving their orders up. There is actually less depth to 400 on Bitfinex than they was when we were at 415.
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April 03, 2014, 04:38:22 PM

slight trend reversal this morning...glad to see there is a little growing buy support today
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April 03, 2014, 04:40:30 PM

Before I went to bed I place more shorts at the 38, 50, 61 Fib retracements. Hit first two a few minutes before I woke up. Missed last one by $1.

However, I think we will probably hit it. The dead cat bounce might go on for a little bit after Houbi decides to claim ignorance about the Chinese regulations. Guess everyone is affected except for them.  Roll Eyes
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April 03, 2014, 04:41:14 PM

slight trend reversal this morning...glad to see there is a little growing buy support today

Haven't you heard? It's a bull trap. The bears on this forum confirmed it.
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April 03, 2014, 04:42:32 PM

http://ytchannelembed.com/video.php?id=2M12zzwNkCo&t=#.Uz15q1dMifQ
From 12:30 onwards, Bobby gives his very candid view.
Yeah , I'm curios how he managed to not burst into laughs as he is one of the guys that started the "volume" race .
Indeed.

There may be fake volume in the Chinese exchanges, but I have yet to see little evidence of it.  Mr. Lee's tells how they could do it, but gives no evidence that they do.

I have yet to see evidence of fake volume at Huobi. There is lots of robot (or script-assisted) trade, and their clients apparently trade much more than Westerners, on much narrower margins; but that is expected since there are no trading fees.  (If your competitor gets 10x your sales by charging 1/10 of your price, calling his sales volume "fake" is just pathetic.)

There is a suspicious steady background traffic at OKCoin, and (last time I looked) many small trades at random places within the spread (instead of at the ends of the spread, as one would expect for a trade triggered by only one of the parties). That may account for 10-20%  of their volume perhaps.  Otherwise their trade looks similar to Huobi's. 

I have not looked at the other major exchanges in China.

My understanding is that arbitrage trading is usually triggered after any significant change in price at one exchange, such as caused by a sizable trade (and "significant" and "sizable"  should be rather small given the no-fee policy).  Thus one should expect significant trades to be followed by other significant trades within tens of seconds at most. 

Actually the only clearly fake trade I saw in China was a burst of 40,000 BTC robot-traded at BTC-China within a some months ago, which several people noticed and understood to be by runaway trading robot(s).   Mr. Lee did not mention that, did he?

On the other hand, there was always suspicion of fake trades in MtGOX.  Analysis of the leaked database may perhaps prove or disprove that.  Who can tell whether the other Western exchanges are not doing it too?

In fact, I suspect that half or more of the trade at the Western exchanges is merely arbitrage trading from China. If and when China stops trading, we will be able to verify that.   

Mr. Lee obviously needs to justify why his exchange should be considered an important player in the Chinese market when their volume is now usually less than 1/20 of Huobi's or OKCoin's.  Actually there are other perfectly good explanations for their decline.

Finally, Western bitcoin startups looking for investors and clients obviously do not want to admit that the price of bitcoin was -- and still is -- defined largely by the speculative Chinese market, which is completely unpredictable and closed to them.  Of course the thesis of "fake volume" is music to their ears, even if there is no evidence to support it.
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April 03, 2014, 04:43:33 PM

slight trend reversal this morning...glad to see there is a little growing buy support today

Haven't you heard? It's a bull trap. The bears on this forum confirmed it.

If this is a permanent reversal, why are there literally less bid sums on BFX to 400 than there was when I went to bed last night and the price was 424?

It looks to me like there was a big buyer on Bitstamp and panic buying on BFX based on the comment by Houbi.
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April 03, 2014, 04:52:21 PM

Just read Houbi's statement. So they are stopping 3rd party deposits April 5th.

Seems like 3rd party processors are gone across the board - all Chinese exchanges. Seems like bank deposits are still on across the board.

Seems like 3rd party processors were much more popular deposit choice (at least that's my understanding).

But price rises on the news. Lets see if we can break above 3000.

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April 03, 2014, 04:54:11 PM

Just read Houbi's statement. So they are stopping 3rd party deposits April 5th.

Seems like 3rd party processors are gone across the board - all Chinese exchanges. Seems like bank deposits are still on across the board.

Seems like 3rd party processors were much more popular deposit choice (at least that's my understanding).

But price rises on the news. Lets see if we can break above 3000.



only one of their 3rd party payment processors thought it would be risky to continue doing business

they also plan to offer 24/7 bank deposit service Cheesy

Decent read on the Texan's stand point towards crypto http://www.dob.texas.gov/lg_manual/sm1037.pdf
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April 03, 2014, 04:58:11 PM

So... are we still in a bull trap or will this go to the moon already?
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April 03, 2014, 04:59:32 PM

Just read Houbi's statement. So they are stopping 3rd party deposits April 5th.

Seems like 3rd party processors are gone across the board - all Chinese exchanges. Seems like bank deposits are still on across the board.

Seems like 3rd party processors were much more popular deposit choice (at least that's my understanding).

But price rises on the news. Lets see if we can break above 3000.



only one of their 3rd party payment processors thought it would be risky to continue doing business

they also plan to offer 24/7 bank deposit service Cheesy

Decent read on the Texan's stand point towards crypto http://www.dob.texas.gov/lg_manual/sm1037.pdf


Read the statement again. They said only 1 processor thought it was risky, but they closed all 4.
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April 03, 2014, 04:59:41 PM

So... are we still in a bull trap or will this go to the moon already?

Next 8h~ will tell, wonder how 4h macD will form
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