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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 1 (2.6%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (2.6%)
$80K to $85K - 0 (0%)
$85K to $90K - 7 (18.4%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (31.6%)
$95K to $100K - 4 (10.5%)
>$100K - 13 (34.2%)
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Weekend pump was weak and already dying out, meh. Maybe next time then...
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I'm not a fan of musk but he's right on this occasion



https://www.thestreet.com/cryptocurrency/markets/elon-musk-calls-fiat-currency-scam-bitcoin-price-surges-to-monthly-high-28000



Elon Musk, the CEO of X (formerly Twitter), posted a reply on his social media platform calling fiat currency a “scam that’s so normalized that we don’t even realize it’s a scam anymore”
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Just in case any newbies lurking around here need a refreshment course on why its better to have your money in your own Bitcoin wallet instead of in a bank account:



THIS IS WHY BITCOIN.



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gawd...  how many times should I celebrate the breaking of 28k before it's enough  Roll Eyes
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gawd...  how many times should I celebrate the breaking of 28k before it's enough  Roll Eyes

I only say Vegeta  Grin
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gawd...  how many times should I celebrate the breaking of 28k before it's enough  Roll Eyes

The relief from breaking away from 26 is going to last a few more days for me.
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gawd...  how many times should I celebrate the breaking of 28k before it's enough  Roll Eyes

The barts will keep barting, until it's time to stop barting around.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

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gawd...  how many times should I celebrate the breaking of 28k before it's enough  Roll Eyes

I only say Vegeta  Grin


exactly
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I highly agree with you that the bull run isn't a guaranteed event but it's our expectations that it will happen. Yeah, in the initial stage the bull run starts with slow pumps but over time it gets more intense. I also agree that sometimes we really can't detect the initial stages of a bull run because the ups and downs are so unpredictable in the initial stages. I believe this time something will also trigger the bull run to intense levels. The previous bull run began its intense levels in November-December 2019 and initially it started around April to June 2019 like you said.

Yes, if we see the next bull run then it will be easier for us to say something about it. But, surely someone of the expectations will be met once the bull run starts. I believe that this bull run will help Bitcoin and the whole crypto-market if it happens.

Those who have good ideas about Bitcoin and its price levels are among the learned ones I guess because they really know the importance of Bitcoin and appreciate every move of Bitcoin with positive mindset. The Bitcoin has made history for first time when its price went to $1k plus in 2013 ATH, and it made history again when its price went to $19k plus during 2017 ATH, and it made history once again when its price went to $68k plus during 2022 ATH, and now it will make another history when its price moves to ATH in next 2 years with intense bull run. I expect that in October-December 2025 Bitcoin's ATH will take place. I may be wrong but my expectations are really positive about it.

I don't really disagree with anything that you are saying.. even though it seems to have a bit of: "everybody expects, so therefore it is likely to happen" sentiment to it.. which personally I find a bit annoying to get those kinds of reasons for why bitcoin is likely to go up.. and even within the time frames that you are outlining..

I think longer term BTC HODLers accumulators do attempt to create some plans and price points for themselves, but then even longer term HODLers/accumulators may well end up deviating from their own plans.. and then maybe even having some regrets if they do not end up selling enough BTC on the way up.. yet it sometimes can be difficult to maintain your status as a longtime HOLDER if you sell too many BTC too soon, even if selling a decent amount might end up being the better thing financially to do..... even while at the same time, there are many historical examples in which way too many BTC end up getting sold way too soon.. and then that ends up leading to just crazy and weird sentiments that start to come out from those guys who were expecting some kind of correction that does not end up happening.

There is no real exact answer, yet surely having some kind of tentative plan is better than having none, so that even if you end up breaking aspects of your plan, at least you have some kind of a guidance that is out there that might at least help you in terms of figuring out how much you would like to deviate from your original plan.. and I am not even saying that sticking with the original plan is going to necessarily bring better results.. so it sometimes can be hard to even know how any of us might react when the previously theoretical numbers end up coming real (presuming that some of them might end up happening at some point in the next 1-3 years.. I am frequently expecting some kind of deviation from the 4 year fractal, even though we have been experiencing quite a bit of ongoing conformity to such four-year fractal, but it seems problematic to put too many eggs (expectations) into that too..
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everybody expects, so therefore it is likely to happen

This is the opposite of what I expect to be true in most cases.     If everyone expects something, we're all bullish ?   That sounds alot like we're all standing on one side of a rowing boat, a highly unstable situation leading to upset and confusion.   Doesnt have to be we are to sink but I expect far more that peoples patience and belief is tested and some will sell before we ever get to that ideal bull market cycle.
   Clearly this year hasnt really been or is likely to be that bullish, but we're putting in work hammering the foundations in the rain however miserable that work its required imo.  
  BTC positive right now but its hit the 200 day average which is the most widely followed indicator.   Again you have that reverse magnetic polarity thing where we could shrink away from whats just a virtual line on a chart.    Main thing is the 200 DMA is rising and thats a positive.  [200 week also very close by serendipitously]
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they will play this bearish sideways game until no one expects an uptrend anymore.. then boom into disbelief phase
(could take another year)
I have seen this movie too many times...
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Freaking awesome.

How awesome Gold Rush is and how Gold produces the Great people.. unlike this wtf this Bljatcoin is sopposed to be.. some digital liquid shit

Gold folks are so freaking legendary !

Gold folks and gold are relics.. like dinausours.. but still kind of interesting in their own right..

Surely, one thing about bitcoin is that it is around 1,000x better than gold, and I hope that I am not understating the comparison.. so surely if you can appreciate aspects of money, especially the verifiability and the ease of transport and the ability to self-claim it without too many costs, except maybe some technical learning that does continue to change.. but here are still quite a few ways to secure your bitcoin without too much reliance on others..

How many dollars worth of bitcoin do you have? 

$100

$1,000

$10,000

$100,000

$1,000,000

$100,000,000

$10,000,000,000

or some other amount..

So, you can see how the amount might affect the way that you choose to store your bitcoin, but even if you have the higher amounts, there are ways that you can secure that on your own.. and some of them more secure than others, but could you even imagine having more than $1 million in gold, and trying to secure it on your own.. and then when it comes to transporting it or even verifying it.. you might be kind of fucked in terms of how much attention you end up drawing to yourself and your stash. 

Should I even attempt to make the comparison to bitcoin, when many of us already have a lot of ideas regarding how even the larger amounts of bitcoin that I listed above could be self-stored, and surely there are likely some better practices regarding how to manage that much value, but there could be ways to actually transport and/or to store such value without much help from anyone else or without anyone really knowing about it.. or being able to stop you before hand.. probably there would be some blockchain analysis attempts at figuring you out if you hold too much of it in one spot.. but there still are likely ways to obfuscate those matters... .

But are any of us dealing with those kinds of higher amounts?  I would expect that there quite a few of us (not saying whether I am really part of the club) dealing with $100k and higher values, and many of us have probably honed some of our practices and ways of dealing with increasing values over the years.. so for example, even the bitcoiner from 2015 might have accumulated 21 BTC for anywhere between $6k and $20k, but no matter what his/her basis in the cost, if s/he had been able to continue to hold onto the 21 BTC, then today's value is more than $500k.. and there could be questions regarding how much to keep in one place.. whether they are in 1 BTC chunks are maybe even in 0.1 BTC chunks.  there are a variety of ways to manage those holdings and perhaps some of them are more cold storage and some might be on chain and portable or held on exchanges and some might be on the lightning network or even other ways of holding coins that may or may not involve any third parties.. and surely sometimes we do need to be a bit weary of third parties having too many of our coins, but there might be some utility in terms of dealing with third parties, too.

Freaking awesome.

How awesome Gold Rush is and how Gold produces the Great people.. unlike this wtf this Bljatcoin is sopposed to be.. some digital liquid shit

Gold folks are so freaking legendary !
lol. What? Bljatcoin? Is that a typo or is this a new crazy slang term that’s hitting the streets?

I can understand why you would stay that gold folks are legendary as gold has historically been pretty coveted amongst mankind, but I would also assume that there is significant overlap between gold hoarders and Blijatcoiners.

Also, it is difficult to argue that bitcoin has been eating gold's lunch for the past 10 years or more, and there is no real sign that bitcoin will not continue to eat gold's lunch in the coming years.. which is likely going to end up playing out in ways in which bitcoin's 1,000x more valuable attributes as compared to gold ends up playing out in the market, even though currently bitcoin is around 1/20th the price of gold in terms of market cap**.. so sucks to be you if you allocate more than a few percentages to gold as compared to your bitcoin allocation.

**Admittedly it could take 100 to 200 years for the market to better reflect the relative values of bitcoin and gold, but still the mere fact that it could take a while to work out does not likely justify holding very much, if any, of the inferior asset.

The next halving (block 840,000) will happen on April 23, 2024.  You read it here first.

Yeah right.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I been reading about that since early 2009..

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Or it could be a trap to lure in more investors.

Yes.. it is a trap.

You better get some in case it catches on..

Otherwise you will trapped because you either don't have any or you do not have enough.. (other ways of saying no coiner or low coiner)

One of the best ways of dealing with bitcoin is to just get the fuck started... even if you are whimpy about it and you are only willing to buy $10 per week when you have a budget that would easily allow you to buy $100 to $300 per week, but you still choose $10 per week you will still likely be better off rather than whining about traps that may or may not exist.


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Is the trap in the room with us now?
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they will play this bearish sideways game until no one expects an uptrend anymore.. then boom into disbelief phase
(could take another year)
I have seen this movie too many times...

As the halving gets close the psychological pressure continues to increase.

There's still a group of "what if" people and it's the same group that usually goes FOMO. The people who are like rubber bands that keep on delaying the decision until they can't stand it anymore. The type of people who save up and never do any shopping for a year and then go YOLO and get all the things they wanted throughout the year at one go. I'm sure you know someone like that.

So these "what ifers" are waiting with their money because what if there's a black swan again like in 2020? The closer we get to the halving the less likely this scenario will be and they will finally abandon the thought and get their hands on some bits but that's going to be 40k bits, not 10k like they hoped for.
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Some bullish tweets for you guys.

The good times are getting closer.



@MitchellHODL
After the 2020 halving, daily sell pressure on #Bitcoin  dropped by ~$10,000,000.

Following the 2024 halving, the reduction in daily sell pressure is estimated to be ~$15,000,000.

This WILL effect the price.

And the fact that so many people seem to think it won't is actually more evidence towards the fact that the halving is not priced in.

Not to mention all of the demand catalysts that are looming as well...

https://x.com/mitchellhodl/status/1708868689578033175


@cryptojellen
Once #Bitcoin  breaks $30k, the real bull market starts.

I'm ready. Are you?

https://x.com/cryptojellenl/status/1708852416009896147


@mistercrypto
Most people are not even aware of the massive #Bitcoin  breakout that is right around the corner...

https://x.com/misterrcrypto/status/1708894613623247206


@mistercrypto
I believe the Spot Bitcoin ETFs will already be accepted by THIS YEAR.

https://x.com/misterrcrypto/status/1708903924663521451







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