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November 04, 2024, 12:24:11 PM

I've thought about rigging a wallet on an RPi Zero. The idea being the wallet would effectively be on the SD card and it would be possible to reconstruct the wallet by finding the right other hardware.

sounds cool. if you do plz drop a link here for any projects
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November 04, 2024, 01:54:10 PM

Aww man... I was hoping when I said "Sorry you had to eat German food" to philipma1957 that someone would have protested!  I needed a segue.  You guys are no fun.

 Anyway, I'm having Rouladen this evening.



ok I will bite...

My vote is for best German dish:


1) Christmas goose with dumplings, red cabbage, kale, and gravy

2) Blood sausage with sauerkraut and potatoes (also called dead granny)



I like sauerbraten with potato pancakes some red cabbage and some sauerkraut glass of reisling wine

 with black forest cake with coffee for dessert.

Bratwurst is good.

Weinershintzel is good.

I used like German beers but all beer is a nogo due to diabetes.

I LIKE THAT German food is not hot and spicy ( acid reflux is a bitch if you eat hot and spicy food)

Being 67 and having a few manageable health issues certain foods are a no go. BUT meat is fine and German food is very good with meats.
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November 04, 2024, 02:48:27 PM

I've thought about rigging a wallet on an RPi Zero. The idea being the wallet would effectively be on the SD card and it would be possible to reconstruct the wallet by finding the right other hardware.

sounds cool. if you do plz drop a link here for any projects

The main issue is the IO. While one could pick up a RPi pretty easily, some kind of display is a little more trickier. There are plenty of options out there but I don't know if they count as 'readily available'. (The idea being you should be able to turn up wherever, slide your microsd card out of its hidey-hole and have a wallet ready to go from local suppliers in short order). There may be an obvious solution but the idea was more idle speculation.
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November 04, 2024, 03:28:25 PM

Here I share pleasant forecasts for everyone:


Bitcoin Price Target Set at $200,000 by 2025, Regardless of Election Outcome – Bernstein

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Key factors driving Bitcoin’s potential growth include U.S. fiscal irresponsibility, high debt levels, and monetary expansion, which boost interest in hard assets. The analysts argue that the success of U.S. spot Bitcoin exchange-traded funds (ETFs) will further enhance this demand.

Original Source: https://cryptodnes.bg/en/bitcoin-price-target-set-at-200000-by-2025-regardless-of-election-outcome-bernstein/

The Best thing of all is that Regardless of Who wins the US Elections , what will Happen in 2025 will Probably be that Beautiful Price.
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ChartBuddy is broken and it seems soy boys are selling again through election uncertainty.



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Last time I was on vacation I found the dude's soap and now look what I found lying unopened on the sidewalk.


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 Needless to say, it's still right where it was.

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November 04, 2024, 09:16:29 PM

Aww man... I was hoping when I said "Sorry you had to eat German food" to philipma1957 that someone would have protested!  I needed a segue.  You guys are no fun.

 Anyway, I'm having Rouladen this evening.



ok I will bite...

My vote is for best German dish:


1) Christmas goose with dumplings, red cabbage, kale, and gravy

2) Blood sausage with sauerkraut and potatoes (also called dead granny)



I like sauerbraten with potato pancakes some red cabbage and some sauerkraut glass of reisling wine

 with black forest cake with coffee for dessert.

Bratwurst is good.

Weinershintzel is good.

I used like German beers but all beer is a nogo due to diabetes.

I LIKE THAT German food is not hot and spicy ( acid reflux is a bitch if you eat hot and spicy food)

Being 67 and having a few manageable health issues certain foods are a no go. BUT meat is fine and German food is very good with meats.

You are quite a connoisseur I must say! 

Especially that you know about red cabbage (if you mean the cooked type)!

Potato pancakes with Sauerbraten is rather rare.  Normally they eat it with dumplings, cooked potatoes or mush potato. 

Germany is for sure mainly a meat culture opposed to countries like Japan where it's fish.  I always enjoy the specialties of the country I'm in.  I stopped doing stuff like eating sushi in Europe or so...
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Last time I was on vacation I found the dude's soap and now look what I found lying unopened on the sidewalk.


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 Needless to say, it's still right where it was.



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So the wife and I voted last Tuesday. Early voting.

As always I voted for both Trump and the Democratic candidate.

2016 I voted Trump and Clinton
2020 I voted Trump and Biden
2024 I voted Trump and Harris

If Trump wins I will no longer be able to vote for Trump.

I guess 2028 will be a new routine.

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Bitcoin is approaching its first crucial support level ($64,000 - $62,000) after a long-awaited breakout. My analysis indicates that if Bitcoin holds this first support level, it will make a new ATH before the new year; otherwise, the next support level is at the $45,000-$48,000 range.
I will wait for the first crucial support level and buy with a tight stop loss at $61,000. If my stop loss gets triggered, I will sell with another tight stop loss at $62,000. I have mapped the time taken by each potential breakout wave, and it seems to take longer each time, so IMO, if Bitcoin fails to hold at the first crucial support and falls back into a downward channel, it will take even more time to break out.
Let me know your thoughts on my speculation.

Right now images are not available, but $45k to $48k sounds pretty damned low for a second support level, especially since we have barely even broken below no man's land for nearly 9 months.  I have difficulties considering even sub $50k to even be likely beyond a possible spike dip.. so maybe like some kind of a black swan event..

And then your question of the BTC price getting stuck (presumptively below $55k, which is the bottom of no man's land) sounds more like hopium rather than reality in regards to considering where we are at in the cycle.. and yeah a beach ball can be held by a dolphin (or a whale?) under the water for so long.

Believe what you like though, and I hope your various downity dip scenarios have not caused you to fail/refuse to sufficiently/adequately prepare for up.

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I am always eager to learn from anyone I can, especially from reputable and wise members like you.
Please explain to me (and millions of other traders) the purpose of 'Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion' in trading (whether long-term or short-term). Even if you consider yourself a holder, you are essentially a long-term trader, and I see no reason to ignore the advantages that technical analysis could offer to make your long-term holdings more profitable.

You seem to be demonstrating that sometimes traders fail and/or refuse to understand and appreciate what is actually investing, so they frame the issue as if everyone is a trader.   

Your mindset seems to be a bit wrong.. and also if you consider that an investor need not trade at all, and an investor might just accumulate bitcoin until he has enough or more than enough, and then at that time, there could be some justification for selling some of the bitcoin just to live off of.

The trader is too busy fucking around getting in and out of his bitcoin investment, so then he is actually failing/refusing to actually understand what bitcoin is and he only sees his bitcoin as a way to increase his dollars.

Sure the long term investor will automatically still end up increasing his dollars with his bitcoin likely going up in value with the passage of time, yet he still may not be giving too many shits about whether he is profitable or not, just concerned about if he has enough so that he can start to cash some of them out whether based on prices or based  on time...

If you consider yourself a Bitcoin purist who will never exchange your Bitcoin for any services or other currencies, I would argue that this approach is more restrictive than that of day traders using 100x leverage.  

You seem to be presenting a false dilemma .. or might we call it a strawman argument.  There might not be any need to sell any BTC if there are other avenues of wealth.. or if the bitcoin can be used as collateral so that there is always income or cash that can be used to live on.. .

You seem to fail to recognize and appreciate that once you get enough or more than enough bitcoin then your options may likely open up quite a bit, whether selling some bitcoin periodically or using them for collateral or just having them int he background it there are other sources of income and cashflow to support your standard of living... and sure  we might have ONLY bitcoin and cash, but we might end up having an array of various other assets, and some of those other assets might be leveraged on the bitcoin or hedged on the bitcoin, yet if they are quite excessive in order of providing enough income then there might not be any urgency to do anything about the bitcoin, except maybe move it around once in a while....

or maybe you need an example?.. .if a guy might have had accumulated 500 bitcoin in the past 12 or so years, and perhaps 90% were accumulated in the first few years of his investment, so maybe his average cost per BTC might be around $300... so he had invested around $150k in total.. so then even now if he might have to shave off a bitcoin here and there, it is going to take a while to deplete his stash, so he might not even care that much if he sells some of his BTC.. and maybe his living standard is around $100k per year or so... or if he might move some of his coins around in various places from time to time and use some of them as collateral.... so the longer that he is in bitcoin then the more his value of his coin goes up so long as he is mostly hanging onto them.  So even now the 200-WMA value of those coins are about $20 million and the spot price value is around $34 million.. but if he is largely living off $100k per year, maybe he could increase his standard of living and he still is likely going to be fine whether he sells some of his coins from time to time or if he uses them in other ways.

The bitcoinhole shows various hardware wallets and other software and hardware.. but does not rate them.
Thanks for the list.
I think I would go with Passport since it meets most of my requirements and also at the top.
Checked it out and found out that the shipping fee increases as the number ordered increases and it's not arithmetically.
Am I doing something wrong?

Of course any of the wallets at the top of the ratings would be good, and they have differing tradeoffs in terms of user interface and how well they might be respected in bitcoin circles, yet I don't claim to be any kind of an expert..

Personally, I am also interested in the Start9 server that has some links in those comparison pages too, yet it can be complicated when any of us might be choosing products and then figuring out ways to set them up so that we feel that we are getting some use out of them, perhaps at a price that we also might consider to be reasonable considering that we might be choosing to store (secure) and/or use for transacting (and transfering) decent sizes of cornz.

Always be learning, and the space is not exactly static, either.
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November 05, 2024, 07:49:42 AM

  I have difficulties considering even sub $50k to even be likely beyond a possible spike dip...
This has already happened just couple of month ago and Bitcoin jumps back from the exact support level I am suggesting.


an investor might just accumulate bitcoin until he has enough or more than enough, and then at that time, there could be some justification for selling some of the bitcoin just to live off of.
Would you agree in order to sell off even very minute part of his holdings, understanding market sentiments and crucial support/resistance levels might help to take better exit points?
 
just concerned about if he has enough so that he can start to cash some of them out whether based on prices or based  on time...
Exactly - you need to have some understanding of price action in order to be a successful investor. I am not arguing for high-frequency day trading (which you seem to portray me as more and more as you advance with your argument).
Let's say one wants to become a long-term investor; understanding basic technical analysis and market sentiment can provide much better entry points.
   

whether selling some bitcoin periodically or using them for collateral or just having them int he background it there are other sources of income and cashflow to support your standard of living... and sure  we might have ONLY bitcoin and cash, but we might end up having an array of various other assets, and some of those other assets might be leveraged on the bitcoin or hedged on the bitcoin, yet if they are quite excessive in order of providing enough income then there might not be any urgency to do anything about the bitcoin, except maybe move it around once in a while....
Again the amount of loan you will getting might be better if you have technical analysis on your side. You can time it according to crucial support and resistance levels.

or maybe you need an example?.. .if a guy might have had accumulated 500 bitcoin in the past 12 or so years, and perhaps 90% were accumulated in the first few years of his investment, so maybe his average cost per BTC might be around $300... so he had invested around $150k in total.. so then even now if he might have to shave off a bitcoin here and there, it is going to take a while to deplete his stash, so he might not even care that much if he sells some of his BTC.. and maybe his living standard is around $100k per year or so... or if he might move some of his coins around in various places from time to time and use some of them as collateral.... so the longer that he is in bitcoin then the more his value of his coin goes up so long as he is mostly hanging onto them.  So even now the 200-WMA value of those coins are about $20 million and the spot price value is around $34 million.. but if he is largely living off $100k per year, maybe he could increase his standard of living and he still is likely going to be fine whether he sells some of his coins from time to time or if he uses them in other ways.
I was not arguing that short-term frequent trades are better than long-term investment trades. I shared my views on Bitcoin price speculation, giving some technical analysis and a plan of action, all of which is based on proven concepts of technical analysis (though not 100% guaranteed).
Every trader/investor has a different mindset, confidence level, and risk appetite, so it would be a categorical mistake to come up with an example (with so many assumptions) comparing traders versus investors.

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November 05, 2024, 08:27:07 AM

The price seems to be inching back upwards. I’ll admit I’m a bit nervous. Are we going to see a Trump victory tomorrow night, a free Ross on the way, and Bitcoin’s price ripping; or will we see a selloff as the market has its worst fears realized? I think tomorrow might be the single biggest political moment of my lifetime. I like that the price is rising again and Democrat cities are boarding up their windows…
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November 05, 2024, 10:09:06 AM

So the wife and I voted last Tuesday. Early voting.

As always I voted for both Trump and the Democratic candidate.

2016 I voted Trump and Clinton
2020 I voted Trump and Biden
2024 I voted Trump and Harris

If Trump wins I will no longer be able to vote for Trump.

I guess 2028 will be a new routine.



Trump already said if he loses that will be the end of his political career.
He will be too old anyway in 2028.

Maybe there will only be Venezuelan gang members on the ballot by then if Harris wins today.

2028: Gonzalez (D) vs Rodriguez (R)
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The price seems to be inching back upwards. I’ll admit I’m a bit nervous. Are we going to see a Trump victory tomorrow night, a free Ross on the way, and Bitcoin’s price ripping; or will we see a selloff as the market has its worst fears realized? I think tomorrow might be the single biggest political moment of my lifetime. I like that the price is rising again and Democrat cities are boarding up their windows…

My thoughts. Trump wins, the market pumps and we start a long uptrend. Harris wins, the market probably dumps then the uptrend begins. Monetary system wise the USA is cactus, printing must continue forever until society collapses, so either way we get the uptrend. It just might take a little longer with Harris, that's all.

Also, a victory by either might take more than 1 night of counting. Expect market swings throughout the counting, some traders are going to make some decent profits, vast majority are going to lose big.
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