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Thanks. I just also found this gem through Google -> Reddit.
I hope i remember when the term is being posted here again (which is not often).

Original reason for my response to JB was discovering that his post consisted of seven syllables, so it urged me to make a Haiku out of it  Grin Cheesy
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Well nice price burst upwards to 117.2 lets see the rest of the week and how we do.

All in all, it will do a great job because everyone is starting to understand -

Bitcoin is a trap,,,

It pushes you to save.

It forces you to learn.

It makes you question everything.

It teaches you to protect your money.

It forces you to learn how to make a profit by protecting your wealth from inflation.

So is it a trap or not, yes, I, as a small ant, like to fall into such traps.
You might not feel bad about falling into such traps.
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It only needs 2-4% up
And twitter/X all those nonsense info pools screaming Bull’s back on….
What a shitshow

Good x% of OG’s knowing better.
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Of course, you can ultimately do whatever you like.  While 50% is better than what a lot of guys do, I still would suggest that if you consider yourself to still be in your accumulation phase that you should put more into your locked up funds, perhaps 75% or more.  I personally suggest that guys do not fuck around with any more than 10% of their bitcoin stash, but yeah it would be hard to get you to move that far and if you have been having a positive experience with what you are doing, then perhaps you have figured out some kind of a selling ratio that actually doesn't cause all of your "trading stash" to be sold.

By the way if a guy is already weekly buying of BTC, then he is already likely to catch many dips, and he can also manually execute his weekly buys to potentially increase his chances of getting some level of dip, even though it can sometimes be difficult to completely get the dip.. and in the long run, it may not matter too much about whether guys are buying dips or not as long as they are regularly buying they may well end up in a better position rather than trying to figure out dips and maybe lapsing into waiting strategies rather than buying strategies.. but sure, yeah, guys gotta figure out these balances for themselves in terms of how much of one thing or another might help them to feel more comfortable with what they are doing.. and yeah, it does feel good to make your weekly $100 buy at $113k rather than at $116k, even though maybe it is not going to make a whole hell of a lot of difference in the whole scheme of things beyond just making you feel a little better for a short period of time.
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I agree with all of your suggestions and to be honest, I've not lost any money from the trading side but of course trading can't be comparable to long term accumulation and holding of Bitcoin that most of us do as investors. However, I've made my mind that 50% is for investment and 50% is for trading, and to be honest I've been enjoying that approach because with trading 50% I make profits from time to time and with the rest of the 50% I'm increasing my stash.

Although, at one point I'll surely consider to increase my investing level to 70% or even to 80% but as of this time 50% is okay for my needs. It's like saving, investing, trading, DCAying, and dip buying approach and to be honest this has helped me a lot and I'm quite satisfied from this approach as of this time. I would say again that there's no alternative of long term holding when it comes to Bitcoin, only those who hold for long term will make the most money from that type of holding. But, for me the present time of my life matters as well and that's the reason why I'm into trading.

Let's say if my 50% for trading is around $15k to $25k and I make 5-10% from each dip then that's more than enough for me to keep my current money and enjoy sometime with the short term profits. Let's say if I get around $1500-$2500 in profit with that approach without losing my initial capital then that's good income to enjoy a month or two. While, adding more to it with DCA would surely increase it as well overtime and at the same time my Bitcoin stash is also growing slowly. Whatever I buy with 50% of money during major dips will always be for long term holding, and no matter if price moves to $150k or even $300k I won't be selling that 50% which's into Bitcoin.
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I find it so surprising when I see people so eagerly "buying the dip" and feeling so happy about it, when the price drops a bit.

So, let's say one has $1000 and he "buys the dip" ($112k) ---> 0.0089 BTC.
And then there's OG Saylor who "buys now, whatever the price" ($117k) ---> 0.0085 BTC.

Then Bitcoin goes to $1M.

"Buy the dip" guy: $8900
OG Saylor: $8500

Is $400 so important in a $7500+ profit?

I think the best advice for no-/low-coiners is to "buy when you can, market price, whatever the price, don't wait for a dip (which may never come)".

Worked fine for me.
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I find it so surprising when I see people so eagerly "buying the dip" and feeling so happy about it, when the price drops a bit.

So, let's say one has $1000 and he "buys the dip" ($112k) ---> 0.0089 BTC.
And then there's OG Saylor who "buys now, whatever the price" ($117k) ---> 0.0085 BTC.

Then Bitcoin goes to $1M.

"Buy the dip" guy: $8900
OG Saylor: $8500

Is $400 so important in a $7500+ profit?

I think the best advice for no-/low-coiners is to "buy when you can, market price, whatever the price, don't wait for a dip (which may never come)".

Worked fine for me.

Do a dca and a buy the dip.

I AM DOING 0.001 BTC via mining every day.

And I have a ladder down auto dip buy.


Plus if If I happen to be at the pc and see a live time dip I buy it.


So this last week dca of just  over  0.007 btc

4 ladder drops of 0.004 btc

And around 1000 usd of boredom manual buy the dips.


My sales are ladder up at 125k to 250k

I have cash on the side to allow for 1 year of mining bills which should get me .365 btc at current dca numbers.

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I find it so surprising when I see people so eagerly "buying the dip" and feeling so happy about it, when the price drops a bit.

So, let's say one has $1000 and he "buys the dip" ($112k) ---> 0.0089 BTC.
And then there's OG Saylor who "buys now, whatever the price" ($117k) ---> 0.0085 BTC.

Then Bitcoin goes to $1M.

"Buy the dip" guy: $8900
OG Saylor: $8500

Is $400 so important in a $7500+ profit?

I think the best advice for no-/low-coiners is to "buy when you can, market price, whatever the price, don't wait for a dip (which may never come)".

Worked fine for me.

Which is DIP?
When Bitcoin lost its value above $60,000 in 2022 and reached close to $15,000, wasn't it still a DIP?
When Bitcoin was at $60,000, people were still saying they would buy it at DIP, but they still didn't buy it.
They waited longer, but the price of Bitcoin also increased day by day. When Bitcoin reached $124,000, they still thought about buying it at DIP. Yes, today may have been the last DIP price for Bitcoin, but they couldn't buy it today.
In fact, ants can't figure out which is the correct DIP.
When Bitcoin was first introduced, when the price of Bitcoin was very low, people thought it wouldn't last long.
Around 2020-2021, they thought it was too late to invest.
In 2022, they thought it would lose more as it was losing value.
Now, they think it is very valuable, so it's not a good idea to buy it now.
Ten years from now, their children or grandchildren will ask them, "Did you not know about Bitcoin when you were there?" If you did, why didn't you buy it?
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I’ve only just noticed that ChartBuddy has had a full glow up. Complete with ATH shown and time zones, nice.
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115k is good.
but 125k and our biggest candle ever would be better.

well i did get a decent amount of buy the dip.

so if the corner has been turned it is okay by me.

Congrats.. if you can figure out how to mostly hang onto them rather than fucking around with your merely getting 20% to 50% profits out of them.. but hey, that tends to require a 4-10 year or longer holding timeline for each buy, and I doubt that your timeline is even close to that long.. .I mean what is in your head when you are accumulating your cornz and trying to get through your accumulation phase, if you might, possibly, actually be trying to accomplish such a thing?

Isn't the current state of affairs absolutely farsical.
One guy hints at a possible rate cut and prices jump up as if someone shoved a rusty pipe up their rear end.

The sooner we get away from dirty FIAT the better I say.
When we finally get the world onto a Bitcoin standard we wont be having these ridiculous price swings on the hint (not even the actual word) of a rate cut.

Believe me I am not complaining that NGU since I stand to benefit from that scenario, I am just tired of this emotional rollercoaster and long for a financial world with a little more stability.
Long live Bitcoin.
Lol. LoyceV beat me to it!

There is ONLY an appearancer that bitcoin is correlated.

Sure in the short term.. but zoom out a wee bit more better to be able to attempt to better not get overly distracted by noise.

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I am the one that posted a picture of my antenna on the DIY forum back a few years ago along with a picture of a commercial tower I climbed in NC. NC is where I was first licensed by the FCC and where I had my station equipment.
I did not post a picture of my Ham radio equipment on that other website.

So, are you accusing me of making shit up - and that I'm not a licensed Ham operator and that was not my Ham equipment? Why would I want to do that?
FYI - I am really pleased with the little CryptoTicr device and want other BTC enthusiasts here to know about it. It that a problem for you?  

Making shit up and plagiarizing is a problem because it is against forum rules, no matter how OOM feels about it.

You need better proof to rebut (or to overcome) the seeming obvious fakety-fake that you already posted... so your choice to post the stuff of others and to claim it as your own is problematic.. and sure it is possible that you are a ham operator.. .but you still plagiarized by trying to act like someone else's set up was your set up.

Not to glorify trading, but there are likely ways to learn too, as long as we do not get too greedy, and personally I could not justify more than 10% of my BTC holdings being employed in such direction, yet there are likely some guys (based on their skill set) who might be able to reasonably justify 30% or more of the size of their BTC holdings getting deployed in such trading/hedging plays.
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Nice to see an ole curmudgeon still alive and kicking.  Wink

Are you saying that you agree or no?

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Glad we got that false accusation cleared up!  Roll Eyes

Wow...

OOM comes off as a gullible pushover.  #nohomo

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Glad we got that false accusation cleared up!  Roll Eyes
You're welcome.
But i'd rather call them suspicions. As said, for reasons, and historical bias (also for reasons).

EDIT: We have a lot of Newbie shitposters in here as the times were going on. This is why some of us are more suspicious about Newbies than the rest. Some call them by the reason they are mostly here for: "Merit whores". After all those scammers, spammers and beggars before the sMerit system was established.
I went down that route too, i was a Newbie myself and every ounce of respect you get in the WO is not earned easily. I wasn't delighted, i felt unwelcome at times, but today i know why, despite i'm some of the worst when it comes to social regards. Just sayin.

So those earlier posts were not fakety fake?  In other words, if a member were to post something fake, then it would seem to take a bit more convincing to get out of such a situation... so maybe I am the one who is confused about whether the earlier pics and description of the situation were fake?  I still feel bamboozled in regards to my having had sent an smerit to one of BTCETFInvestor's earlier posts.
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Glad we got that false accusation cleared up!  Roll Eyes

Wow...

OOM comes off as a gullible pushover.  #nohomo

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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You're welcome.
But i'd rather call them suspicions. As said, for reasons, and historical bias (also for reasons).

EDIT: We have a lot of Newbie shitposters in here as the times were going on. This is why some of us are more suspicious about Newbies than the rest. Some call them by the reason they are mostly here for: "Merit whores". After all those scammers, spammers and beggars before the sMerit system was established.
I went down that route too, i was a Newbie myself and every ounce of respect you get in the WO is not earned easily. I wasn't delighted, i felt unwelcome at times, but today i know why, despite i'm some of the worst when it comes to social regards. Just sayin.

So those earlier posts were not fakety fake?  In other words, if a member were to post something fake, then it would seem to take a bit more convincing to get out of such a situation... so maybe I am the one who is confused about whether the earlier pics and description of the situation were fake?  I still feel bamboozled in regards to my having had sent an smerit to one of BTCETFInvestor's earlier posts.

Explanation:
Mr. nicety version of OOM issued a (warm, welcoming) warning shot.
If you read my last response carefully, i was explaining, not excusing or apologizing.
Mr. BTCETF* is still on my watchlist, so to say. I may have time for deeper research this weekend, let's see.
Not to contradict does not automatically mean to agree, at least that is how i see things, and i'm generally more a man of actions than a man of words.
That attempt to put that gullible tag onto my avatar didn't go unnoticed, thanks for pointing it out, Jay  Cool

EDIT: Somehow this got me thinking. In the movies, there's always the good and the bad cop, but maybe one can be both?  Wink
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Of course, you can ultimately do whatever you like.  While 50% is better than what a lot of guys do, I still would suggest that if you consider yourself to still be in your accumulation phase that you should put more into your locked up funds, perhaps 75% or more.  I personally suggest that guys do not fuck around with any more than 10% of their bitcoin stash, but yeah it would be hard to get you to move that far and if you have been having a positive experience with what you are doing, then perhaps you have figured out some kind of a selling ratio that actually doesn't cause all of your "trading stash" to be sold.
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By the way if a guy is already weekly buying of BTC, then he is already likely to catch many dips, and he can also manually execute his weekly buys to potentially increase his chances of getting some level of dip, even though it can sometimes be difficult to completely get the dip.. and in the long run, it may not matter too much about whether guys are buying dips or not as long as they are regularly buying they may well end up in a better position rather than trying to figure out dips and maybe lapsing into waiting strategies rather than buying strategies.. but sure, yeah, guys gotta figure out these balances for themselves in terms of how much of one thing or another might help them to feel more comfortable with what they are doing.. and yeah, it does feel good to make your weekly $100 buy at $113k rather than at $116k, even though maybe it is not going to make a whole hell of a lot of difference in the whole scheme of things beyond just making you feel a little better for a short period of time.
I agree with all of your suggestions and to be honest, I've not lost any money from the trading side but of course trading can't be comparable to long term accumulation and holding of Bitcoin that most of us do as investors. However, I've made my mind that 50% is for investment and 50% is for trading, and to be honest I've been enjoying that approach because with trading 50% I make profits from time to time and with the rest of the 50% I'm increasing my stash.

You can measure however, you like, but if we look at a guy with a couple of cycles under his belt and one of them was just accumulating and not doing anything else and the other was trading half of his stash, he is likely ging to do worse than the accumulator. 

Of course, you have an ability to measure your investing side versus your trading side to the exent that you might have had been keeping good track and if you had been engaged in such a thing since your form registration date since August 2016, I have my doubts that your trading side could have had beaten your investing side. Sure it is possible, but not likely.

Let's look at a possible Investing side scenario... I am going to move the date up a few months since the DCA website ONLY allows going to April 2025.

So lets look at 9 years and 1 month starting from March 2016 and going until April 2025.  We have $47.6k invested and we have 13.07 BTC.  It seems difficult for a trader to beat those results.

Of course, if the person had put all $47.6k in as a lump sum, he would have 110.35 BTC, even harder to beat that, even though I am not going to presume guys to necessarily have their investment capital up front.

https://dcacryptocalculator.com/bitcoin/?start_date=2016-03-01&finish_date=2025-04-11&regular_investment=100&currency_code=USD&investment_interval=weekly&exchange_fee=2

Are you saying that you could have (and did) beat either of those results with your trading versus your investing side of your practices? 

Maybe you have not been practicing 8 years, but if you practice your likely fucking around for 8-ish  years, you are like going to have similar kinds of disparate results between your investing stash and your trading stash.. to the extent that you are not cheating.

Although, at one point I'll surely consider to increase my investing level to 70% or even to 80% but as of this time 50% is okay for my needs. It's like saving, investing, trading, DCAying, and dip buying approach and to be honest this has helped me a lot and I'm quite satisfied from this approach as of this time. I would say again that there's no alternative of long term holding when it comes to Bitcoin, only those who hold for long term will make the most money from that type of holding. But, for me the present time of my life matters as well and that's the reason why I'm into trading.

 I doubt that trading helps you with your present time of life except causes you to lose more money as compared to if you had put the money into investing rather than trading..

But, hey, you can believe what you like... in terms of how much capital you allocate to each.

Let's say if my 50% for trading is around $15k to $25k and I make 5-10% from each dip then that's more than enough for me to keep my current money and enjoy sometime with the short term profits.

You think that you can figure out dips?  I doubt that you are doing as good as you claim to be doing... but sure you can have some bitcoin and you can peel off some profits at various points of time rather than continuing to allow it to run..  so in some sense you might be overinvesting in bitcoin and not keeping enough spending money, since apparently you cash out the spending money and then consume with it when it is in profits.

Let's say if I get around $1500-$2500 in profit with that approach without losing my initial capital then that's good income to enjoy a month or two.

Why not just put $12.5k to 22.5k into bitcoin and then keep the remainder for your spending while you allow the other portion to be invested rather than traded?  It is because you are likely not calculating properly and you are looking at short term cash that you supposedly make when the money would be better to be allowed to compound upon itself rather than scalped on a regular basis.

You can believe what you like in terms of how you are calculating it.  I doubt that the actual numbers support your assertion of supposedly getting profits without suffering from opportunity costs of fucking around with ongoingly selling too much bitcoin too soon.

But yeah, believe what you like..
 
While, adding more to it with DCA would surely increase it as well overtime and at the same time my Bitcoin stash is also growing slowly. Whatever I buy with 50% of money during major dips will always be for long term holding, and no matter if price moves to $150k or even $300k I won't be selling that 50% which's into Bitcoin.

Of course your investment portion is going to be doing fine.  I doubt that you are really benefiting as much as you have convinced yourself into believing with the trading portion, and you likely could reduce that trading portion to much smaller numbers, perhaps less than 10% of the size of your bitcoin investment stash, or maybe you could go a bit higher with the percent that you allow for fucking around.. but not 50%.. that is too much... since it seems to be a likely losing proposition the way you seem to be currently doing it and just assuming that you are benefiting from it...even though you seem to be fantasizing otherwise with your likely sales through the years that would have had been way better off to just let them ride in bitcoin (and to compound in value.. .) .

I find it so surprising when I see people so eagerly "buying the dip" and feeling so happy about it, when the price drops a bit.
So, let's say one has $1000 and he "buys the dip" ($112k) ---> 0.0089 BTC.
And then there's OG Saylor who "buys now, whatever the price" ($117k) ---> 0.0085 BTC.

Then Bitcoin goes to $1M.
"Buy the dip" guy: $8900
OG Saylor: $8500
Is $400 so important in a $7500+ profit?

I think the best advice for no-/low-coiners is to "buy when you can, market price, whatever the price, don't wait for a dip (which may never come)".
Worked fine for me.
Do a dca and a buy the dip.
I AM DOING 0.001 BTC via mining every day.

And I have a ladder down auto dip buy.
Plus if If I happen to be at the pc and see a live time dip I buy it.

So this last week dca of just  over  0.007 btc
4 ladder drops of 0.004 btc
And around 1000 usd of boredom manual buy the dips.

My sales are ladder up at 125k to 250k
I have cash on the side to allow for 1 year of mining bills which should get me .365 btc at current dca numbers.

No problem with ongoing buys. The problem is selling prior to reaching overaccumulation status.

I doubt very many (if any) of the guys who reached overaccumulation status sold any of their bitcoin in their first cycle or perhaps longer (except maybe spend and replace kinds of practices).
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Haha you’ve been sleeping on Buddy for the past 2 weeks... Richy_T mentioned it was the reason it’s been double posting earlier

It's was actually something else. I took down the server CB runs on to transfer the guts to another box so I made CB run on something else. Then the CPU fan died on that so I reenabled CB on the original server and when the new fan came in and I got *that* fixed and turned back on, I forgot to disable CB on one or the other.

The ATH thing is because someone mentioned it and that started it rattling around in my head again. It was time for a bit of a refurb anyway and it still needs some more, to be honest. I totally forgot the glasses were part of the background image and not a 'stamp' that I can move around.

The timezones were always there though. I just made them a bit more prominent.
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