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   -From this life, we will take what we live and witness in this world, our actions both good and bad are stamped on our souls. Happy moments and sad moments are the ones that make us grow as beings in development. Material achievements are not added to our conscious being. To live the details of each moment that are stored in our memory.  And in moments of introspection in which we remember these, these are the goods that we have conquered here and will carry forever from our being.
 The living nature of this world is a good example of perseverance in maintaining memory and always renewing itself according to new conditions. But this nature of this world is very strong, and even with the devastation caused by human beings, it walks lives and permanently renews itself!!

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Wow!  This is a very large CME (coronal mass ejection) which happened on the far side of the Sun so it will impact Venus instead of earth.  This one would have caused auroras visible during the daylight hours... and possibly power grid disturbances, damage to satellite solar arrays.  The Sun hasn't produced one this powerful since August 1972.  The sun spot that produced that one was facing earth about a week ago... so close.  We may have dodged a bullet.

source: https://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/

If it happened on the other side of the sun, then how did "they" take a picture of it?

Maybe I could look up the answer, but since we have a resident expert who teaches on the topic.. I thought I would ask.


 Firstly, I am not an expert; merely an enthusiast searching for another hours-long, rainbow-coloured, aurora borealis fix before I die.

 The animation I posted is from a series of images take by the LASCO (Large Angle and Spectrometric Coronagraph) - Chronograph 3 to be precise which measures white light in a wide radius around the sun ie 30 radii) on board the SOHO (Solar and Heliospheric Observatory) satellite which is located 1.5 million kilometers away from earth, locked into the earth-sun orbit and always facing the sun.  There is a disk to blot out the actual solar disk (because it's way too bright) so that the chronograph only images the solar corona and uses long exposure time to capture light emitted by ejected plasma (C3 takes a 26 second exposure).  Even though the CME is directed away from earth, the plasma is visible as it spreads outward from the sun.  There are other sensors abord SOHO that record data related to the emission which would indicate if it were earth directed or not.  The best indication, from the animation alone, that the CME is not earth directed, is that the image does not quickly become oversaturated as the brightness overwhelms the sensors.  I think it's common knowledge than it takes about 8 minutes for light to travel from the sun to the earth (~1% less time to arrive at SOHO) so the image would quickly oversaturate if it were earth-directed.


_ the latest time that btc close bellow of your openning on october was 2014!

Far Side of the Sun

For the first time in history, the world has a full view of the far side of the Sun—and of the entire 360-degree sphere at once, for that matter—thanks to NASA’s Solar Terrestrial Relations Observatory (STEREO). On February 6, 2011, the twin satellites reached opposite sides of the Sun, allowing space weather watchers to detect activity at any point on the sphere and to image eruptions that might be headed toward Earth.

SolarHam Farside Watch


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Two Track Stereo, One Track Mind   Shocked Roll Eyes Huh

###  Slade's Noddy is Holder!!!   Grin Grin Roll Eyes


 That's old news actually.   Stereo-B went into an uncontrolled spin sometime in 2014 and they gave up on periodic attempts to establish communications back in 2018.  Stereo-A is still working but it currently orbits the sun about 45° ahead of our planet so it would be more of a front-side view.  It does give a better perspective for earth directed CMEs though.

 

 A - the current location of Stereo-A (kind of a misnomer now... maybe they should rename it Mono)
 PSP - Parker Space Probe
 SO - Solar Orbiter (European-lead project)


I can say that I am almost an amateur of the subject, of which I have been curious for a long time, but without training in the field. I remember very well about 30 years ago, when I didn't have access to the internet, and in school days, a classmate always sent letters to NASA and with a matter of months he received good quality photos of various astronomical announcements, photos of new planets, galaxy supernovas.... And nowadays, we have direct access to NASA's website and several observatories around the world, as well as various research carried out by several researchers.

...when sharing about 'STEREO' I just wanted to mention that they were the first satellites to be launched in order to observe the other side of the sun, where most of the CME events are concentrated..(and by coincidence, on October 21, 2025, 'C/2025 N1' was last seen by the existing means here on our planet, and will be sighted again by the same means from December. and according to the researchers currently involved,  in addition to variations in course and speed, it is having an interaction with the sun from which it is increasing the activities of CME,and according to NASA, it continues to be observed by the following means: "NASA has been studying the icy visitor 3I/ATLAS with space telescopes including Hubble, Webb, and SPHEREx. When the comet passes Mars on Oct. 3, multiple spacecraft there might catch a glimpse. The comet is on course to pass behind the Sun in late October, and venture past Jupiter in March 2026, on its way out of our solar system" and, "With NASA's Eyes on the Solar System interactive app, you can follow comet 3I/ATLAS as it travels through our solar system and see where it's headed next.", "NASA assets that are planning to gather observations of 3I/ATLAS include: Hubble, Webb, TESS, Swift, SPHEREx, Perseverance Mars rover, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, Curiosity rover, Europa Clipper, Lucy, Psyche, Parker Solar Probe, PUNCH, and ESA/NASA’s SOHO and Juice.")  and in the link I associated with STEREO, SOLARHAM.COM, says about what happened to ST. B, (Solar Ham: Site Information
SolarHam.com launched on March 15, 2006 with the purpose of providing real time Space Weather news and data from various sources, all in one location for easy navigation. The site was created and is still maintained solely by amateur (HAM) radio station Kevin VE3EN.  >
.This website relays data and imagery from the following sources.

- NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center (SWPC)
- Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO)
- Atmospheric Imaging Assembly (AIA)
- Solar Terrestrial Relations Observatory (STEREO)
- Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR)
- Large Angle and Spectrometric Coronagraph Experiment (LASCO)
- Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)
- Lockheed Martin Solar & Astrophysics Laboratory (LMSAL)
- Global Oscillation Network Group (GONG)
- Space Weather Canada
- Australia Space Weather Services (SWS) )

...And then, when I also associated it with the Slade's  Two Track Stereo, One Track Mind  music, incredible as it may seem. I noticed a certain prediction of them in pun that they would never imagine that this would happen, and maybe only I noticed these similarities of the song written thousands of years ago (hehehe) with the event that happened with STEREO B,..>

"With her ONE TRACK mind
That brain in her BEHIND
She was hooked on TWO track STEREO
With her one track mind woh-ho-oh
One track mind
What's going through her mind?" (ST.'B', in the case).


 the current location of Stereo-A (kind of a misnomer now... maybe they should rename it Mono)

or use a mono to stereo converter on ST.'A', maybe it improves the quality a little... hehehe...
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updating here also here too:

"SpaceX’s Satellites Are Falling From the Sky Every Single Day While the SpaceX answer to affordable worldwide internet may not be the worst threat to our part of the cosmos—especially compared to other, larger satellites—one to two of their 8,000 satellites are already falling back to terra firma every single day."

And>
"SpaceX Starshield Satellites Might Be Violating International Standards
20 October 2025,

 SpaceX’s Starshield satellites are now drawing attention online after reports about a possible breach of international standards made headlines. These reports stemmed from the findings of Scott Tilley, a satellite tracker who claims the satellites are using a certain uplink frequency for downlinks.

International Telecommunication Union Standards
To coordinate the use of radio spectrum across the world, the International Telecommunication Union has put several standards in place. One of these standards forbids the use of uplink frequencies between 2025-2110 MHz for downlink, as it can prevent full duplex, or simultaneous, communication

According to Scott Tilley, Starshield satellites might have been transmitting on an uplink frequency, where satellites should be only receiving signals. Trying to point out why this is an issue, Tilley told NPR, “Nearby satellites could receive radio-frequency interference and could perhaps not respond properly to commands — or ignore commands — from Earth.” At this time, it isn’t clear if SpaceX’s actions affected the communication of other satellites with Earth.

However, Tilley points out to NPR that if any problem arises in future, it might be caused by SpaceX satellites. There has also been no confirmation of this allegation from the International Telecommunication Union."
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 Firstly, I am not an expert; merely an enthusiast searching for another hours-long, rainbow-coloured, aurora borealis fix before I die.

 I totally agree, because after we leave here, we will no longer have access to the internet to do research that suits our interests.
And if it is of interest to you, I will leave here some information about a very important observatory that is close to my city about 50km, and since I was little, I have wanted to visit there, but to this day I have not made this visit, because it is not easy.

Pico dos Dias Observatory
"is an astronomical observatory owned and operated by the National Astrophysical Laboratory of Brazil "
"Observatory code   874, Location Brasópolis, Minas Gerais, Brazil, Coordinates22°32′04″S 45°34′57″W, Altitude 1,864m(6,115 ft) Established 1980 ,  Website www.lna.br/opd/opd_e.html
Telescopes   0.6m Boller & Chivens, 0.6m Zeiss Jena, 1.6m Perkin-Elmer

.A 1.6 m (63 in) Cassegrain reflector built by Perkin-Elmer first became operational in 1981.

.A 0.6 m (24 in) Ritchey-Chrétien telescope built by Boller & Chivens and installed in 1992 is jointly used by LNA and the University of São Paulo.

.A 0.6 m (24 in) Cassegrain reflector built by Zeiss Jena was purchased in the 1960s through coffee trade with East Germany. It was installed in 1983.

;ASPOS OKP
In April 2017, Russia's space agency, Roscosmos, opened the first Automated Warning System on Hazardous Situations in Outer Space (ASPOS OKP) at Pico dos Dias. There will be another three stations in the system.
 "
On the site, you'll find images of two of them being updated every two minutes 24hours a day(sometimes offline for maintenance or other reason), that are pointed to the milky way:
All Sky 1
All Sky 2

There are also several videos about it, and I looked for a shorter one, unfortunately it does not contain subtitles in English, but the article is very interesting, from which the reporter interviews a resident researcher(Wagner Corrad,  LNA Director) and he explains good points about it. Just as the difference between a professional, who can have access to the telescope after a project to be approved, is the difference between an amateur, who in his view, to be an amateur of astronomy, just look at the sky and enjoy the stars.  He also says why visits are limited to one day a year, because the dust from people walking there hinders the view of telescopes.  and he also says that even the wind interferes with the light received from the stars.  
And astronomers who get authorization, and get research time, send the commands remotely.
He also says that thanks to studies on the sun, the device to do tomography was developed.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhu5LFaS1os

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 _ I want to apologize for this Big ShitPost.

 ..and say that I have been following what _cAPSLOCK have been saying, I have always had a concern with consensus, forks, disagreements, and also with time, new members will replace them, and we do not know what they will think, since the current ones are already in this misdemeanor...  Whether it is right or wrong on some points, I believe it is a valid concern. but it is also a subject that I prefer to just follow and leave to you experts.
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And in the meantime, I'm waiting for the last few days of the month to see if Bitcoin will close below or above the opening of the month.









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..and say that I have been following what _cAPSLOCK have been saying, I have always had a concern with consensus, forks, disagreements, and also with time, new members will replace them, and we do not know what they will think, since the current ones are already in this misdemeanor...  Whether it is right or wrong on some points, I believe it is a valid concern. but it is also a subject that I prefer to just follow and leave to you experts.
Congratulations, with this approach you are already smarter than any filterboy no matter how many years they have been in Bitcoin.  Smiley Just always be careful what experts you choose to listen to, often bias plays a role.

In any case, definitely don't listen to the religious transaction-tsar wannabe luke-jr or the ethereum advisor who had a stroke mr. Szabo.
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..and say that I have been following what _cAPSLOCK have been saying, I have always had a concern with consensus, forks, disagreements, and also with time, new members will replace them, and we do not know what they will think, since the current ones are already in this misdemeanor...  Whether it is right or wrong on some points, I believe it is a valid concern. but it is also a subject that I prefer to just follow and leave to you experts.
Congratulations, with this approach you are already smarter than any filterboy no matter how many years they have been in Bitcoin.  Smiley Just always be careful what experts you choose to listen to, often bias plays a role.

In any case, definitely don't listen to the religious transaction-tsar wannabe luke-jr or the ethereum advisor who had a stroke mr. Szabo.

What I don't understand is that if you have a problem with a new version, for whatever reason, why not just stay on the old one and advocate for that. This has always been the way to revolt against developers but with Bitcoin for some reason people decide to follow the next Bitcoin Jesus instead. If Bitcoin is ever destroyed it will be for this reason, mark my words. And for fuck sake, spam will be taken care of by higher fees, like it always has been.
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..and say that I have been following what _cAPSLOCK have been saying, I have always had a concern with consensus, forks, disagreements, and also with time, new members will replace them, and we do not know what they will think, since the current ones are already in this misdemeanor...  Whether it is right or wrong on some points, I believe it is a valid concern. but it is also a subject that I prefer to just follow and leave to you experts.
Congratulations, with this approach you are already smarter than any filterboy no matter how many years they have been in Bitcoin.  Smiley Just always be careful what experts you choose to listen to, often bias plays a role.

In any case, definitely don't listen to the religious transaction-tsar wannabe luke-jr or the ethereum advisor who had a stroke mr. Szabo.
What I don't understand is that if you have a problem with a new version, for whatever reason, why not just stay on the old one and advocate for that. This has always been the way to revolt against developers but with Bitcoin for some reason people decide to follow the next Bitcoin Jesus instead.
Staying with v29 is a much more correct approach than going with Knots. Knots has zero peer review and luke-jr is well known for his lax security practices.

If Bitcoin is ever destroyed it will be for this reason, mark my words. And for fuck sake, spam will be taken care of by higher fees, like it always has been.
I fully agree with you, I mentioned it a bit earlier.

This kind of social attack shows what is the weakest link of Bitcoin. It is not Bitcoin Core, it is not the protocol, it is the users. That you could get so easily manipulated over an issue that does not impact you at all (changing magic numbers, which is precisely what policy rules are) into running a client that has no peer review of any kind just shows how weak the user part of the equation really is.
I criticized Core in several threads regarding how they have handled this, there must be better communication efforts in the future at the very least. However, you'd have to be a fanatic who has deluded themselves into believing they are a independent thinker to change from Core to Knots over something like this. To make matters worse, as I have previously said, all Knots nodes will accept all blocks that have the OP_RETURN "spam". It does not do anything at all. Instead of stroking their micropenises over their date of registration, the "OGs" here need to learn how Bitcoin works. There is a thread on this very thing here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562256.0.
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..and say that I have been following what _cAPSLOCK have been saying, I have always had a concern with consensus, forks, disagreements, and also with time, new members will replace them, and we do not know what they will think, since the current ones are already in this misdemeanor...  Whether it is right or wrong on some points, I believe it is a valid concern. but it is also a subject that I prefer to just follow and leave to you experts.
Congratulations, with this approach you are already smarter than any filterboy no matter how many years they have been in Bitcoin.  Smiley Just always be careful what experts you choose to listen to, often bias plays a role.

In any case, definitely don't listen to the religious transaction-tsar wannabe luke-jr or the ethereum advisor who had a stroke mr. Szabo.

What I don't understand is that if you have a problem with a new version, for whatever reason, why not just stay on the old one and advocate for that. This has always been the way to revolt against developers but with Bitcoin for some reason people decide to follow the next Bitcoin Jesus instead. If Bitcoin is ever destroyed it will be for this reason, mark my words. And for fuck sake, spam will be taken care of by higher fees, like it always has been.

Honestly, my plan was to do this, and I ran 28 and 29 until quite recently on most of my implementations.  I run multiple nodes just for my own enjoyment in different places in the world and to support the network.

The entire reason that I'm running knots for now is as a visible protest. It's not that I didn't upgrade, which I think is a perfectly rational (and perhaps even more rational in some ways) choice.

But I wanted to send some signal saying that I didn't approve of the way this particular change went down and the most visible way to do that is this.

Knots code is almost entirely core in the first place. And the implementations are 100% in agreement on everything inside of consensus.  A small minority of people have been running knots for many, many years without any problems to the network.

As to following a personality, that's not really in my DNA. In fact, Luke kind of spooks me. I think he's a bit wacko, honestly.  I also think all of his extreme positions on almost everything are very deeply reasoned. I remember him dipping frozen pizza cellophane in hydrogen peroxide, and that mask that he wore during COVID that looked like something out of the end of the Andromeda strain.

But I don't throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to Luke. I've seen him take a lot of ridicule on Twitter, for example, and I even understand it. I still think it's wrong, though.  He actually deserves credit for seeing a lot of problems well before anyone else saw them over the years.

But I also think he's fighting this battle exactly the wrong way and focusing on something like CSAM and choosing to rest on some logical technicality that he feels like he can say that pictures have never been able to be stored on the blockchain until version 30. Lol.

I actually think it will be fairly soon that we see a fork of core that takes a much more gentle approach to removing some of the recently added things.  And I think we'll see a migration of developers to that fork.  I could be wrong about this, and I'm not totally sure, but I think it's very possible.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if Samson Mao helped start something like this up since he has the means to do so and the connections.

Personally, I would be quite satisfied if there was a fork that was exactly the same software, but just retained a 160-bit opreturn limit, and retained the customization abilityfor the node runners.
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Tactics are the same as shoehorning segwit

"we have to do X because otherwise these people will do Y"

when in fact, no changes were needed

no changes required for continued jpegging either

consider running pre-anyonecanspend, 0.5.3 (pre-github), or libbitcoin on the side just in case somebody does something way 2 stupid
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All of this is way over my level of understanding, sorry.

I don't consider myself an OG, so micropenis insult does not pertain, but, still....an interesting choice of an argument.
Not complaining...just observing.

That said, to 99.9% users, this is highly academic aka not very relevant to their Wall observations.
I digress.

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That said, to 99.9% users, this is highly academic aka not very relevant to their Wall observations.
I digress.
The knowledge of OP_RETURN is probably only found with users in the 95-99% percentile of technical expertise. None of which are obviously on the side of the filter boys. I left a link already if one wants to educate themselves. If not, it is better to ignore the topic completely rather than spread misinformation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrX6K4RuDM0

None of it is relevant to wall observations indeed. Perhaps indirectly, as those that have fallen for this misinformation and are continuing to spread it are causing a small amount of FUD in the market.

I actually think it will be fairly soon that we see a fork of core that takes a much more gentle approach to removing some of the recently added things.  And I think we'll see a migration of developers to that fork.  I could be wrong about this, and I'm not totally sure, but I think it's very possible.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if Samson Mao helped start something like this up since he has the means to do so and the connections.

Personally, I would be quite satisfied if there was a fork that was exactly the same software, but just retained a 160-bit opreturn limit, and retained the customization abilityfor the node runners.
As you can see, a local retard OG can be tricked to throw away everything that Core has managed to do for Bitcoin over a random magic number change in the policy rules that has no effect on him. This is the biggest vulnerability of Bitcoin. Not quantum computers, neither any technological aspects nor any shitcoin attempts at competitors. The retarded humans that use Bitcoin are the weakest link. Bad parenting at it again.
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All of this is way over my level of understanding, sorry.

I don't consider myself an OG, so micropenis insult does not pertain, but, still....an interesting choice of an argument.
Not complaining...just observing.

That said, to 99.9% users, this is highly academic aka not very relevant to their Wall observations.
I digress.



Let me know if you would rather me stop my series...  I would get it.  I do not think there is a LOT left... Wink

As to penis size, I think I missed that particular insult.  But to be honest, the one dimensional insulting tone that is so highly prevalent is one of the reasons I dug in so hard.  I might have an old account here but I do not have all that much bitcoin compared to most people my vintage I would guess.  Nor to I judge or try to figure out what other people have.  I just am glad we are all here.

Finally, most of you here know me to some extent.  You know how I think... you have likely made a decision on whether or not I am worth paying attention to.  And I say that understanding that a certain percentage will fall on the "no" side of that one.  I am wordy, sometimes overly passionate and have occasionally (to my own shame) posted nonsense. Wink

My reason for posting this is personal, and as a public service.  I want to lay this all out, and I also care about the folks in this thread enough that I want you to have decent fact based information from which to come to your own conclusions.

I will say THIS.  And this has nothing to do with you Biodom.  I am NOT here to be condescended to, insulted, and spoken to disrespectfully.  And to the extent I am I will shut down my side of the "conversation" immediately.  This has nothing to do with disagreement.  In  fact I crave disagreement.  I can tell somac and I have different positions on this, and thats absolutely fine.  He's not insulting me.

After I have my fill of posting on this topic I will likely fade back into the shadows.

(oh and the more I am told to shut up?  the more I am "tagged as misinformation" the more I am going to talk.  That's just built into MY particular flavor of neurodivergence. That's just how i tick.  Again not directed at you, Biodom, or really any of the regulars here...)
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you to have decent fact based information from which to come to your own conclusions.
Complete bullshit. Most of your posts are misinformation and contain mostly lies. Correct information about the OP_RETURN situation can be found in other forum boards. It is most certainly not going to be posted by a retard in a independent thinker costume called cAPSLOCK. If he continues to keep this up then we can conclude he wants to join the transactions review board so that he can spend his day looking at CSAM together with luke-jr.  Smiley Perhaps this OP_RETURN situation shall provide an opportunity to identify pedophiles who have been hiding in their caves all this time.
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..and say that I have been following what _cAPSLOCK have been saying, I have always had a concern with consensus, forks, disagreements, and also with time, new members will replace them, and we do not know what they will think, since the current ones are already in this misdemeanor...  Whether it is right or wrong on some points, I believe it is a valid concern. but it is also a subject that I prefer to just follow and leave to you experts.
Congratulations, with this approach you are already smarter than any filterboy no matter how many years they have been in Bitcoin.  Smiley Just always be careful what experts you choose to listen to, often bias plays a role.

In any case, definitely don't listen to the religious transaction-tsar wannabe luke-jr or the ethereum advisor who had a stroke mr. Szabo.

What I don't understand is that if you have a problem with a new version, for whatever reason, why not just stay on the old one and advocate for that. This has always been the way to revolt against developers but with Bitcoin for some reason people decide to follow the next Bitcoin Jesus instead. If Bitcoin is ever destroyed it will be for this reason, mark my words. And for fuck sake, spam will be taken care of by higher fees, like it always has been.

Honestly, my plan was to do this, and I ran 28 and 29 until quite recently on most of my implementations.  I run multiple nodes just for my own enjoyment in different places in the world and to support the network.

The entire reason that I'm running knots for now is as a visible protest. It's not that I didn't upgrade, which I think is a perfectly rational (and perhaps even more rational in some ways) choice.

But I wanted to send some signal saying that I didn't approve of the way this particular change went down and the most visible way to do that is this.

Knots code is almost entirely core in the first place. And the implementations are 100% in agreement on everything inside of consensus.  A small minority of people have been running knots for many, many years without any problems to the network.

As to following a personality, that's not really in my DNA. In fact, Luke kind of spooks me. I think he's a bit wacko, honestly.  I also think all of his extreme positions on almost everything are very deeply reasoned. I remember him dipping frozen pizza cellophane in hydrogen peroxide, and that mask that he wore during COVID that looked like something out of the end of the Andromeda strain.

But I don't throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to Luke. I've seen him take a lot of ridicule on Twitter, for example, and I even understand it. I still think it's wrong, though.  He actually deserves credit for seeing a lot of problems well before anyone else saw them over the years.

But I also think he's fighting this battle exactly the wrong way and focusing on something like CSAM and choosing to rest on some logical technicality that he feels like he can say that pictures have never been able to be stored on the blockchain until version 30. Lol.

I actually think it will be fairly soon that we see a fork of core that takes a much more gentle approach to removing some of the recently added things.  And I think we'll see a migration of developers to that fork.  I could be wrong about this, and I'm not totally sure, but I think it's very possible.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if Samson Mao helped start something like this up since he has the means to do so and the connections.

Personally, I would be quite satisfied if there was a fork that was exactly the same software, but just retained a 160-bit opreturn limit, and retained the customization abilityfor the node runners.

Understand I'm not directly having a go at you cAPSLOCK, my rant is general. IMO signaling through running knots just creates division in the community and encourages increased egos of various personalities. Developers are not figure heads, all knowing, sane, right, good or anything else. They are just another cog in the system, and this needs to be enforced from time to time. If they do stupid shit, just don't go along with it by not upgrading, and tell them why.

Choosing knots at this point of time is the same as choosing leaders (and there should be none), at least that's how most look at it and therefore that's how it is interpreted. In this current dispute, I guarantee you that if everybody just stayed on 29, and no one upgraded to 30 (and were loud about why), the core devs would work it out after a year or 2. They would then either release another version that people agree with, or some would leave as contributors. The remaining, and perhaps new devs, would then release another version with appropriate changes. Mission accomplished. Fight for what we have, don't just leave for somewhere else.

This is exactly what happened to the Audacity team when they tried implementing telemetry. Backlash works, there is no need to encourage self chosen prophets (whether that is intention or not). This works in meatspace too, Cracker Barrel being a recent example.

For anyone who is not fully decided on v30, don't switch to knots, just stay on 29 and be as loud as you possibly can to the devs, while convincing other operators of why they should stay on 29. This will send a message to the devs that they are tools of the system, not leaders or prophets. The devs who don't like that can then piss off. Bitcoin works fine now and if need be we can stay on 29 for the next 100 years.

EDIT: I should add that if v30 is truly the right way to go then the devs need to work harder at convincing people. If it's not the right way then 29 we stay.
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The devs who don't like that can then piss off. Bitcoin works fine now and if need be we can stay on 29 for the next 100 years.
Sounds good, except this is not true. In any case, the limits will not be reverted under any condition. You can forget about it. No amount of screaming or misinformation will change that.

EDIT: I should add that if v30 is truly the right way to go then the devs need to work harder at convincing people. If it's not the right way then 29 we stay.
This is what is going to happen. Instead of making things worse like cAPSLOCK or staying on the sidelines, have you considered helping? Most people want others to solve these things for them, not realizing that most people are already spending all of their time on Bitcoin or that they are volunteers.
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The devs who don't like that can then piss off. Bitcoin works fine now and if need be we can stay on 29 for the next 100 years.
Sounds good, except this is not true. In any case, the limits will not be reverted under any condition. You can forget about it. No amount of screaming or misinformation will change that.

Fact is we can stay on 29, and Bitcoin will keep running fine. I'm not picking a side here, I don't know enough about the technicals. But I do strongly believe in fighting for what we have rather then destroying it by empowering certain individuals. Of course the devs may be right but I want to be convinced though, convince me (not asking anyone here to though).
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The devs who don't like that can then piss off. Bitcoin works fine now and if need be we can stay on 29 for the next 100 years.
Sounds good, except this is not true. In any case, the limits will not be reverted under any condition. You can forget about it. No amount of screaming or misinformation will change that.
Fact is we can stay on 29, and Bitcoin will keep running fine. I'm not picking a side here, I don't know enough about the technicals.
How is this a fact? Any day a critical flaw could be discovered that makes v29 unsafe. We just don't know. I mean you could say that it looks to be safe for the foreseeable future sure, but more than that? You can't say it will be safe and working for the next 100 years. Don't you remember this case? https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/good-bad-and-ugly-details-one-bitcoins-nastiest-bugs-yet

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Whatever happens, we most certainly can not stay with v29 or with any version for a very long period of time. Nobody can say for how long though.

But I do strongly believe in fighting for what we have rather then destroying it by empowering certain individuals.
Definitely. We've seen what happened with Gavin Anderson, Roger Ver, Mike Hearn, Jeff Garzik and many others. They all turned out to be extremely damaging to Bitcoin in one way or another. Some worse than others but the point is the same.
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The devs who don't like that can then piss off. Bitcoin works fine now and if need be we can stay on 29 for the next 100 years.
Sounds good, except this is not true. In any case, the limits will not be reverted under any condition. You can forget about it. No amount of screaming or misinformation will change that.
Fact is we can stay on 29, and Bitcoin will keep running fine. I'm not picking a side here, I don't know enough about the technicals.
How is this a fact? Any day a critical flaw could be discovered that makes v29 unsafe. We just don't know. I mean you could say that it looks to be safe for the foreseeable future sure, but more than that? You can't say it will be safe and working for the next 100 years. Don't you remember this case? https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/good-bad-and-ugly-details-one-bitcoins-nastiest-bugs-yet

But I do strongly believe in fighting for what we have rather then destroying it by empowering certain individuals.
Definitely. We've seen what happened with Gavin Anderson, Roger Ver, Mike Hearn and many others.

In the now though there are no known bugs, so at the moment, for arguments sake, 29 is fine.

Absolutely, with the personality thing. Seems we never learn.
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In the now though there are no known bugs, so at the moment, for arguments sake, 29 is fine.
This variant of the statement I can absolutely agree with.

Absolutely, with the personality thing. Seems we never learn.
Sometimes I wonder why it is hard for many people to learn a basic lesson like this. The irony here is that the core essence of Bitcoin is about removing trust yet many people keep wanting to put back trust in many different forms. Whether it is through personalities, through filters or committees that determine which transactions should be allowed and which should not be allowed. It is all the same. Many don't even realize this contradiction.

Of course the devs may be right but I want to be convinced though, convince me (not asking anyone here to though).
If you really want this, at the very least start becoming an active reader or better yet a contributor here. We could always use more real people and fewer signature campaign spammers.

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..and say that I have been following what _cAPSLOCK have been saying, I have always had a concern with consensus, forks, disagreements, and also with time, new members will replace them, and we do not know what they will think, since the current ones are already in this misdemeanor...  Whether it is right or wrong on some points, I believe it is a valid concern. but it is also a subject that I prefer to just follow and leave to you experts.
Congratulations, with this approach you are already smarter than any filterboy no matter how many years they have been in Bitcoin.  Smiley Just always be careful what experts you choose to listen to, often bias plays a role.

In any case, definitely don't listen to the religious transaction-tsar wannabe luke-jr or the ethereum advisor who had a stroke mr. Szabo.

What I don't understand is that if you have a problem with a new version, for whatever reason, why not just stay on the old one and advocate for that. This has always been the way to revolt against developers but with Bitcoin for some reason people decide to follow the next Bitcoin Jesus instead. If Bitcoin is ever destroyed it will be for this reason, mark my words. And for fuck sake, spam will be taken care of by higher fees, like it always has been.

Honestly, my plan was to do this, and I ran 28 and 29 until quite recently on most of my implementations.  I run multiple nodes just for my own enjoyment in different places in the world and to support the network.

The entire reason that I'm running knots for now is as a visible protest. It's not that I didn't upgrade, which I think is a perfectly rational (and perhaps even more rational in some ways) choice.

But I wanted to send some signal saying that I didn't approve of the way this particular change went down and the most visible way to do that is this.

Knots code is almost entirely core in the first place. And the implementations are 100% in agreement on everything inside of consensus.  A small minority of people have been running knots for many, many years without any problems to the network.

As to following a personality, that's not really in my DNA. In fact, Luke kind of spooks me. I think he's a bit wacko, honestly.  I also think all of his extreme positions on almost everything are very deeply reasoned. I remember him dipping frozen pizza cellophane in hydrogen peroxide, and that mask that he wore during COVID that looked like something out of the end of the Andromeda strain.

But I don't throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to Luke. I've seen him take a lot of ridicule on Twitter, for example, and I even understand it. I still think it's wrong, though.  He actually deserves credit for seeing a lot of problems well before anyone else saw them over the years.

But I also think he's fighting this battle exactly the wrong way and focusing on something like CSAM and choosing to rest on some logical technicality that he feels like he can say that pictures have never been able to be stored on the blockchain until version 30. Lol.

I actually think it will be fairly soon that we see a fork of core that takes a much more gentle approach to removing some of the recently added things.  And I think we'll see a migration of developers to that fork.  I could be wrong about this, and I'm not totally sure, but I think it's very possible.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if Samson Mao helped start something like this up since he has the means to do so and the connections.

Personally, I would be quite satisfied if there was a fork that was exactly the same software, but just retained a 160-bit opreturn limit, and retained the customization abilityfor the node runners.

Understand I'm not directly having a go at you cAPSLOCK, my rant is general. IMO signaling through running knots just creates division in the community and encourages increased egos of various personalities. Developers are not figure heads, all knowing, sane, right, good or anything else. They are just another cog in the system, and this needs to be enforced from time to time. If they do stupid shit, just don't go along with it by not upgrading, and tell them why.

Choosing knots at this point of time is the same as choosing leaders (and there should be none), at least that's how most look at it and therefore that's how it is interpreted. In this current dispute, I guarantee you that if everybody just stayed on 29, and no one upgraded to 30 (and were loud about why), the core devs would work it out after a year or 2. They would then either release another version that people agree with, or some would leave as contributors. The remaining, and perhaps new devs, would then release another version with appropriate changes. Mission accomplished. Fight for what we have, don't just leave for somewhere else.

This is exactly what happened to the Audacity team when they tried implementing telemetry. Backlash works, there is no need to encourage self chosen prophets (whether that is intention or not). This works in meatspace too, Cracker Barrel being a recent example.

For anyone who is not fully decided on v30, don't switch to knots, just stay on 29 and be as loud as you possibly can to the devs, while convincing other operators of why they should stay on 29. This will send a message to the devs that they are tools of the system, not leaders or prophets. The devs who don't like that can then piss off. Bitcoin works fine now and if need be we can stay on 29 for the next 100 years.

EDIT: I should add that if v30 is truly the right way to go then the devs need to work harder at convincing people. If it's not the right way then 29 we stay.

I align with pretty much all you are saying.  My choice to run knots amounts to attempting to be a louder voice.

Funny you mention audacity.  I have been a music/audio professional for all my life.  Here I sit...



I am not aware of the drama there... probably better I avoid it, honestly, lol.  I use Reaper (multitrack) and Acoustica (mastering).
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