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November 03, 2025, 06:10:01 AM
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I scanned that graph, and I was sending a few sats to Faketoshi!

LOL, yeah, it looks like a QR code, doesn't it? If it points to anything, blame talkimg.com




I hope you like the results, and I hope they help you change your mind if you were thinking of selling your corn!

You should try percentage moves, not absolute moves.

Thanks for the suggestion, but percentages of what? If the reference is a global maximum, then the heat map will be exactly the same, just the numbers will change to +/-100%. Maybe you mean percentages of the peak of each cycle, or ATHs or something local. Will think about it.



Edit: How stupid of me! I know what you meant: percentage change relative to the daily open price. Will try it and post the result.
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Moonvember is here.
A delayed start tough.
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Moonvember is here.
A delayed start tough.

November consolidation.

December - January - February - March raging bull. Smiley

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Let's go!
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Moonvember is here.
A delayed start tough.

November consolidation.

December - January - February - March raging bull. Smiley

Going to the gym, chest tricep and shoulder pumping.

Let's go!

Heavy backsquat

heavy bench press

some accessory

then the Wod "emom style for 30 min"

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30 power snatch

10-20 min
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carbell 42,5 kg during the wod

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Poll suggestion:

1. I'm bullish for Q4/2025
2. I'm bullish for Q1/2026
3. I'm bearish for Q4/2025
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I am not trying to stomp on anyone's dreams but the Tesla truck looks like it's from a 90's 3D game.

Even earlier!


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1. I'm bullish for Q4/2025
2. I'm bullish for Q1/2026
3. I'm bearish for Q4/2025
4. 1 & 2
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Moonvember is here.
A delayed start tough.

November consolidation.

December - January - February - March raging bull. Smiley

Going to the gym, chest tricep and shoulder pumping.

Let's go!

Heavy backsquat

heavy bench press

some accessory

then the Wod "emom style for 30 min"

0-10 min
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30 power clean
30 power snatch

10-20 min
40 cal bike erg
30 squat clean
30 squat snatch

20-30 min
40 cal bike erg
30 front squat
30 OH squat

carbell 42,5 kg during the wod

A crossfit morning cheers

that's a nice workout.

I do a 12:34 workout 2 times a day now

up and down stairs with 4 set of pushups mixed in 20 15 10 5  total 50 pushup
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Poll suggestion:

1. I'm bullish for Q4/2025
2. I'm bullish for Q1/2026
3. I'm bearish for Q4/2025


I am bullish for Q4 2025+Q1 2026 which would break the 4 year cycle pattern
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They're the same picture!

OK, so I posted the above, which was based on my overall sense of how Bitcoin behaves when zoomed in to the month/week/day level. But then I thought, is this really true? Is Bitcoin's monthly/weekly/daily performance really random? Well, I'm currently on a long holiday leave, so I have plenty of time on my hands, so why not analyze some real historical price data to test things out?

So I fired up MATLAB and downloaded Bitstamp's BTC/USD historical price data for day open/close prices, from 2016 up to now (3721 days). I then plotted each day's price performance in terms of daily loss (in red) and daily gain (in green). Each dot is one day, and the horizontal axis spans 2 months per row. Note that there may be a shift by a couple of dots per row, as I'm assuming a 366-day year. Here's what came out:



...which confirms and experimentally proves that zooming in to the day level results in a random loss/gain pattern. I postulate that the same holds true to the weekly and monthly levels, hence my original post.

And then I thought: instead of showing loss in red and gain in green, as a 0/1 state, it would be more interesting to show the actual day close - open differences in USD. This should clearly show the 4-year cycles and how the daily fluctuations have played out over the years. And that's what I did. I used a heat map, starting with black (for maximum loss) up to white (for maximum gain), and shades of orange (Bitcoin's trademark color) in between. Sure enough, the 4-year cycles appeared in full glory. Here's the resulting heat map:



I hope you like the results, and I hope they help you change your mind if you were thinking of selling your corn!
You are basically doing a data analysis search, where you want to see if the price of Bitcoin actually moves randomly over time, or if there is a pattern. The way you have analyzed the daily open-close data from 2016 to now in Matlab is quite informative. If you can see on your chart that the red and green dots are spread out almost evenly, then yes, Bitcoin's daily performance behaves a lot like a random walk. However, if at a certain time, such as before the halving or during a bull run, there are more consecutive green days, then that can be called the effect of the market cycle, not random,
Short-term, random, long-term pattern.

 Your analysis really goes a long way, you have basically created a visual proof that shows that Bitcoin's movement on a daily basis is like a random walk, but when viewed on a larger timeframe, weekly, monthly, even 4 year scale, a clear cyclical pattern of 4 year cycles is visible, your heatmap idea is especially great because the black orange white gradient shows the intensity of the profit and loss, which is much deeper than just 0:1 profit and loss.

The 4 year cycles were especially visible during the bull run from 2017 to 2021, it practically proves that Bitcoin's price is random in the short term, but if, in the long term it follows a clear cycle.
So if you are thinking of selling corn I think this heatmap will change your mind,
Patience is the real key here!
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Here's the resulting heat map:



I hope you like the results, and I hope they help you change your mind if you were thinking of selling your corn!
based on the table that only shows whether the day closed in profit or loss, this makes more sense, and i respect that. but wouldn't it make more sense to interpret price volatility as a percentage change rather than a change in thousands of dollars? for example, between -5% and +5%, and of course a heatmap that includes more extreme points. i think this would be the most logical way to understand the price's volatility and cycles.

despite experiencing much higher -log scale- price increases compared to now, we can see almost no volatility during the 2017 bull run here.

just a suggestion.
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November 03, 2025, 02:59:22 PM

Here's the resulting heat map:



I hope you like the results, and I hope they help you change your mind if you were thinking of selling your corn!

based on the table that only shows whether the day closed in profit or loss, this makes more sense, and i respect that. but wouldn't it make more sense to interpret price volatility as a percentage change rather than a change in thousands of dollars? for example, between -5% and +5%, and of course a heatmap that includes more extreme points. i think this would be the most logical way to understand the price's volatility and cycles.

despite experiencing much higher -log scale- price increases compared to now, we can see almost no volatility during the 2017 bull run here.

just a suggestion.

Thanks for this. I think that's what fillippone meant in his reply, when he mentioned percentages.

I will try it, maybe later today, and post the results.
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