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That is all he can do. So he likely will buy this weekend too right? Not sure if you were trying to have a gotcha moment there or what… He keeps saying he can’t be liquidated, but he sure as hell can send his stock price to $0, get sued, lose, be forced to sell his BTC, and crash the market. Dumb people (you know who you are) think he can’t be liquidated. Anyone with a brain realizes he can be forced to sell by a judge and most likely will after a painful legal battle if his stock price continues to plummet.

I think his Bitcoin holdings are already in good profit and he can sell some of his Bitcoins to cover up loses for his company (if that happens)?
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Michael Saylor (MSTR) said the company is accelerating its purchases of Bitcoin and he expects Bitcoin to "rally from here".


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/strategy-bitcoin-holdings-drop-47-134351410.html
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New poll: ATH before 2026?
The answer is yes.
No one knows .... But i'm in for it.
You don't sound confident.
If you were a betting man, then on a 50/50 bet, then which side would you take?

Personally I would have a hard time taking such a bet.. since there are only 6-ish weeks remaining in this calendar year.
If I would bet for this year making ATH I really don't know, but I would always go for it as long we are less as 30% from ATH

Well right now, as I type this post, we have ONLY 6.5 weeks before the end of the year.

It is funny how percentages go, yet to go up to the ATH, we have to go up 31.5% from the current price of $96k in order to touch upon the ATH of $126,272 (that is $126,272 / $96,000).. On the other hand, if we want to proclaim how much we dipped from the top, it is ONLY 24% (that is $96,000 / $126,272).. .funny how numbers (maths) work like that.

No matter the calculation.. it is a bit of ground to make up, and surely it is not impossible to happen in 6.5 weeks.

Let's see what happens..

In this market greedy bastards like me can't win. I've been telling myself to buy Bitcoin if it goes down below 100k dollars. However this time I want to see 75k dollars. I will have a question to ask the geniuses here. Is it the right time now to start buying gradually or should I wait a little longer?


Holy fucking shit, CLS63.  Are you trolling us? You have been here since August 2017 and you are still fucking around trying to figure out when to buy dee cornz?

You should have had already been buying since August 2017 and that would have had helped you to answer your own question, since if you had been buying since August 2017, then either you can continue to buy or if you had gotten enough, then you would have had stopped buying at some point and then your stash size might inform you whether you might buy on certain dips.

Where you are at might help to answer your own question... and sorry for your loss if you spent 8 years on the forum without steadily buying bitcoin or some variation of such.

In this market greedy bastards like me can't win. I've been telling myself to buy Bitcoin if it goes down below 100k dollars. However this time I want to see 75k dollars. I will have a question to ask the geniuses here. Is it the right time now to start buying gradually or should I wait a little longer?

I would wait for ~25k. HFSP.

You BIG meanie d_eddie.  I see a lot of folks waiting for $70k.. as if that is not unrealistic enough.

In this market greedy bastards like me can't win. I've been telling myself to buy Bitcoin if it goes down below 100k dollars. However this time I want to see 75k dollars.
You've been here for 8 years, what took you so long?
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I will have a question to ask the geniuses here. Is it the right time now to start buying gradually or should I wait a little longer?
I'll tell you next week Tongue More serious answer: "buying gradually" sounds like DCA. The whole point of DCA is that you don't try to time the market, so you can start anytime you want.

I see that Loyce beat me to it.

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He could do dip
And dca.
10k to invest

100 a week for a year is 5200

 800 on separate dips
94k
89k
84k
79k
74k
69k

He may never put any dip money in since we may never go to 94k or lower.

But he will do the 5200 with the dca

$10k to invest.  Put $5k in right now. 

Invest $2,600 for the next 26 weeks at $100 per week.

Invest another $2,400-ish for buying dips that may or may not happen.. and we still need to be happy even if the dips do not happen. $300 starting at $92k then 7 more every $3k down at $89k, $86k, $83k, $80k, $77k $74k and $71k.   

Of course there are a variety of ways to be creative since it is likely that a guy has an amount available and then he has an income coming in too.. so both the amount that he has and the amount that he has coming in needs to be accounted.. and since his investment in bitcoin should be 4-10 years or longer, he likely will need a couple of cycles to really make progress.. even though along the way of his investing, he may well have additional money come in that he is able to dedicate to bitcoin investing.. that is if he has enough enthusiasm for bitcoin rather than just cashing out every year, as some people do (and then don't make any progress, even after investing in bitcoin for 10 years or more).

In this market greedy bastards like me can't win. I've been telling myself to buy Bitcoin if it goes down below 100k dollars. However this time I want to see 75k dollars.
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I will have a question to ask the geniuses here. Is it the right time now to start buying gradually or should I wait a little longer?
I'll tell you next week Tongue More serious answer: "buying gradually" sounds like DCA. The whole point of DCA is that you don't try to time the market, so you can start anytime you want.
If you are ready to buy...

You are correct.  Some folks are not "ready to buy."  So that is a problem for those people.. yet what are the reasons for their not being "ready to buy?" The devil is in the details, no?

NGL, thinking of taking some profit again next time we hit $100k USD/BTC.
The economic numbers have me a bit spooked, and would be nice to just sit on the cash. Schwab has a really good money market account.

The fact the govt isn't releasing October numbers is... historic.
Not sure we're gunna see $125k USD/BTC before the end of the year.

Would love to be wrong.
Have a great weekend, folks.

Yeah but.

What about early 2026?

The crazy part about today’s losses are that Strategy is currently buying with $700+ million dollars raised from the STRE offering. Saylor confirmed this during an interview this morning. It looks a lot like this market and Strategy are cooked. I don’t see how Saylor doesn’t get sued by his shareholders for all his preferred offerings at this point. Hopefully he has some of that $700+ million earmarked for a weekend pump…
Saylor said in his tweet on Nov 14, 2025 that "We bought bitcoin every day this week."

He is not missing out on any opportunity to buy Bitcoin whether it's up or down in price.
That is all he can do. So he likely will buy this weekend too right? Not sure if you were trying to have a gotcha moment there or what… He keeps saying he can’t be liquidated, but he sure as hell can send his stock price to $0, get sued, lose, be forced to sell his BTC, and crash the market. Dumb people (you know who you are) think he can’t be liquidated. Anyone with a brain realizes he can be forced to sell by a judge and most likely will after a painful legal battle if his stock price continues to plummet.

A lot of "what ifs" in there, Mr. Legal expert.
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Michael Saylor (MSTR) said the company is accelerating its purchases of Bitcoin and he expects Bitcoin to "rally from here".


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/strategy-bitcoin-holdings-drop-47-134351410.html
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NGL, thinking of taking some profit again next time we hit $100k USD/BTC.

The economic numbers have me a bit spooked, and would be nice to just sit on the cash. Schwab has a really good money market account.

The fact the govt isn't releasing October numbers is... historic.

Not sure we're gunna see $125k USD/BTC before the end of the year.

Would love to be wrong.

Have a great weekend, folks.
Yeah right, what a prettt great plan. Go ahead and take profit just right before Bitcoin price decides to skyrocket.

I’m pretty sure the market will be polite enough to wait for you to jump back on the bandwagon before it decides to take off. And you definitely don’t have nothing to worry about those economic numbers, nothing calms one’s nerves like swapping volatility for what now? Yeah, a money market account that pays just about enough to buy you a cup of coffee every morning.
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November 15, 2025, 08:57:18 PM

Why is there a sudden divide on the future expectations and outcome for Bitcoin?

The sudden divide in future expectations for Bitcoin is driven by the conflicting influences of traditional macroeconomic factors and liquidity concerns, versus the historical significance of supply dynamics like the halving and growing institutional adoption. This has created a clash between short-term bearish sentiment and long-term bullish outlooks.

Bearish Arguments (Concerns for a Decline):

• Macroeconomic Headwinds: Bitcoin has shown a high correlation with other risk assets like tech stocks and has become more sensitive to broader economic conditions. Uncertainty surrounding Federal Reserve interest rate policy and global liquidity tightening due to factors like a U.S. government shutdown can pull funds away from riskier assets and into safer, yield-bearing alternatives, pushing Bitcoin's price down.

• Institutional Outflows and Profit-Taking: The U.S. spot Bitcoin ETFs have recently experienced significant outflows, suggesting a period of capital flight and profit-taking by some institutional investors and long-term holders ("OG" investors) who typically sell at market cycle tops.

• Historical Cycle Patterns: Some analysts argue that the historical four-year market cycle (peak followed by a significant bear market) is still in play and that the recent all-time high may have marked the cycle top.

• Regulatory Uncertainty: A fragmented and evolving global regulatory landscape, with potential for stricter rules or taxation on crypto assets, introduces significant risk and can dampen market sentiment.


Bullish Arguments (Expectations for Continued Growth):

• Shrinking Supply Dynamics: The most recent Bitcoin halving in April 2024 further reduced the rate at which new bitcoins are created, creating a supply shortfall if demand remains steady or increases. This fundamental scarcity, combined with an ultimate cap of 21 million coins, underpins the long-term bullish case.

• Maturing Institutional Adoption: The approval of spot Bitcoin ETFs in the U.S. has facilitated massive institutional investment, absorbing a significant amount of the available supply. Bulls argue that this points to growing mainstream acceptance and a transformation into a more stable, mature asset class, even if short-term volatility exists.

• "Digital Gold" Narrative: In an era of high inflation and global political tensions, advocates believe Bitcoin's decentralized nature and limited supply make it an attractive hedge against inflation and a store of value, similar to gold.

• Technological Developments: Ongoing innovations like the Lightning Network are addressing issues of scalability and transaction speed, making Bitcoin more efficient for potential daily use and increasing its overall utility.
Ultimately, the market is grappling with whether Bitcoin is a cyclical, volatile risk asset tied to broader economic sentiment or a maturing, scarcity-driven store of value with a strong, long-term growth trajectory.

Is this written by you? It looks like a source was not quoted.

But it is well written.

Phil - We have other macro stuff that holds down positive BTC energy - such as a questionable Fed rate cut in December and questionable if or when MSTR will be included in the S&P 500. Throw that into the mix with up/down tariffs, worldwide war/conflicts, big city crime, rampant protests out of control - questions about Ai spending by big tech and you have people running scared of buying or investing in anything risky or volatile...     
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Michael Saylor (MSTR) said the company is accelerating its purchases of Bitcoin and he expects Bitcoin to "rally from here".


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/strategy-bitcoin-holdings-drop-47-134351410.html


Saylor will end up with over 1 million coins by the end of 2026
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NGL, thinking of taking some profit again next time we hit $100k USD/BTC.

The economic numbers have me a bit spooked, and would be nice to just sit on the cash. Schwab has a really good money market account.

The fact the govt isn't releasing October numbers is... historic.

Not sure we're gunna see $125k USD/BTC before the end of the year.

Would love to be wrong.

Have a great weekend, folks.
Yeah right, what a prettt great plan. Go ahead and take profit just right before Bitcoin price decides to skyrocket.

I’m pretty sure the market will be polite enough to wait for you to jump back on the bandwagon before it decides to take off. And you definitely don’t have nothing to worry about those economic numbers, nothing calms one’s nerves like swapping volatility for what now? Yeah, a money market account that pays just about enough to buy you a cup of coffee every morning.

Bob has a lot of btc selling 1 or 2% for him makes sense if he wants to.
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Michael Saylor (MSTR) said the company is accelerating its purchases of Bitcoin and he expects Bitcoin to "rally from here".


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/strategy-bitcoin-holdings-drop-47-134351410.html


Saylor will end up with over 1 million coins by the end of 2026

Yep! Probably before the end of 2026.

Wonder what the 'surprising upcoming activity' Mr. Saylor refers to is about?  Clearly, it has something to do with Bitcoin and obviously it is something positive... 
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If your anxiety is increasing.
Then go to deep space and get some sleep.
When you come back to earth, you will see that Bitcoin valuation become more than $ 1 million.
But if you can adapt to the price fluctuations, then you are again welcome to Earth .



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Just ask yourself this question...with the USA having like $38 Trillion Dollars in Debt https://www.usdebtclock.org/ ....what do you think will do better between

now (2025) and when 99% of all BTC  has been mined (2035)? I mean it sure is not going to be the USA Dollar and/or Bonds IMHO. So you have $$$ to spare or are in

HODL mode...I'd say that BTC in any situation I can imagine will do better then US Bonds as such....

especially with China holding about or up to 12% of such...not to mention other countries which combined (with China) hold about 32% of all US Bonds. The debt is too

high...for the usa. So next downturn of world economy everyone will dump the bonds, IMHO.

So 'really'...keep that in mind. My bet is on BTC myself. Smiley

(note: in regards to how to think about HODL'ing from quoted posting for those prone to despair/panic.) Smiley
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Michael Saylor (MSTR) said the company is accelerating its purchases of Bitcoin and he expects Bitcoin to "rally from here".


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/strategy-bitcoin-holdings-drop-47-134351410.html


Saylor will end up with over 1 million coins by the end of 2026
I was never expecting I am going to have this price $95K, but I am happy to have and my buying working because if Saylor have target of 1 million I have target of my 1 bitcoin in 2026.
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NGL, thinking of taking some profit again next time we hit $100k USD/BTC.

The economic numbers have me a bit spooked, and would be nice to just sit on the cash. Schwab has a really good money market account.

The fact the govt isn't releasing October numbers is... historic.

Not sure we're gunna see $125k USD/BTC before the end of the year.

Would love to be wrong.

Have a great weekend, folks.

The above meme doesn't apply to you, apparently.
/j

Taking profit is a good thing.
I guess your time preferences are low enough.



I've not touched Bitcoin Wallets since 2015. So I'm a bit 'contrary' to all this panic. BTC could go back down to $15K and I would still be at the same BTC $$$ worth

I had in 2020 or so at the low. This too shall pass. (This is due to boring person I am and Traditional Investments in that I'm retired...boring is good) Smiley
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Hold up, dumb fuck.

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Instead you're just a moron and harming the world with your vile idiocy.

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You mean like those scumbag lying assholes OOM and JJG that make up their misleading deceitful shit to bully people?

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Some of you OGs here adore those worthless pieces of shit, fucking thugs!

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November 15, 2025, 09:24:48 PM

That is all he can do. So he likely will buy this weekend too right? Not sure if you were trying to have a gotcha moment there or what… He keeps saying he can’t be liquidated, but he sure as hell can send his stock price to $0, get sued, lose, be forced to sell his BTC, and crash the market. Dumb people (you know who you are) think he can’t be liquidated. Anyone with a brain realizes he can be forced to sell by a judge and most likely will after a painful legal battle if his stock price continues to plummet.

I think his Bitcoin holdings are already in good profit and he can sell some of his Bitcoins to cover up loses for his company (if that happens)?

He has said many times that he won't sell his Bitcoin.  If he did, it would be a complete loss of trust in his company as a Bitcoin Treasury Company and he would likely be sued for that by his shareholders.  Not to mention he has STRF, STRC, STRK, STRE, & STRD that he now has to support and having less assets won't help him continue "selling volatility" as he puts it.
(MSTR's offerings spell FCKED - The only thing missing to get FUCKED is U, the irony!)

I'm sure his legal team did their best to protect the company (although he did say he discussed this stuff with AI after lawyers wanted to take too long reviewing everything).  He'll be sued for certain at this point, but maybe his legal team does their job and he wins.  If that's the case, it's really just his shareholders that get screwed and if Bitcoin rallies again next cycle they would probably be profitable before the lawsuits were settled.  This is going to be one hell of an interesting story to track over the next couple years.
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I think his Bitcoin holdings are already in good profit and he can sell some of his Bitcoins to cover up loses for his company (if that happens)?
The company's life is tied to Bitcoin. And Bitcoin going under $100K doesn't mean the company is facing losses.
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I'm sure his legal team did their best to protect the company (although he did say he discussed this stuff with AI after lawyers wanted to take too long reviewing everything).  He'll be sued for certain at this point, but maybe his legal team does their job and he wins.  If that's the case, it's really just his shareholders that get screwed and if Bitcoin rallies again next cycle they would probably be profitable before the lawsuits were settled.  This is going to be one hell of an interesting story to track over the next couple years.
Sued for doing what exactly? Enlighten us with your wisdom mister genius OG. Roll Eyes
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I'm sure his legal team did their best to protect the company (although he did say he discussed this stuff with AI after lawyers wanted to take too long reviewing everything).  He'll be sued for certain at this point, but maybe his legal team does their job and he wins.  If that's the case, it's really just his shareholders that get screwed and if Bitcoin rallies again next cycle they would probably be profitable before the lawsuits were settled.  This is going to be one hell of an interesting story to track over the next couple years.
Sued for doing what exactly? Enlighten us with your wisdom mister genius OG. Roll Eyes

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