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[JayJuanGee]

->ok, 32k, i send. For me it's already valid, before the end of February, the price will reach 70k or less.
...I confirm that it is your responsibility, to keep the sats, and or find someone you trust, no problem for me, the one you choose will be chosen, you said to me for money in what I'm talking about, 30k is change, but I'm putting it. I believe that you have also already accepted that I accepted, and it is already valid. I have no reason to walk away., I also won't say that I'm a reliable person and etc... I don't need to know what I already know about myself, and then I immediately decided that I don't need to prove it and I've already suggested why you already have my share, but you don't want to., so I leave it to you to find the person you trust.
...

Well, if we would not use an intermediary, then the amount received would need to be 30k sats, yet if we use an intermediary, we would send 32k, so then 4k (=2k + 2k) would cover any transaction costs that the intermediary would have in regards to any changes in fees that might happen between now and the end of February.

I doubt that we have really finalized such a bet, since I question whether you can be counted on to send the bet amount in the event that you were to lose... and maybe i am being too nice to you in regards to the amount of the bet, since you are showing yourself as of questionable reliability.

So, if such a bet were to take place, then it would close if either the BTC price goes below $70k (which would be that it has to touch upon $69,999 or lower) on or prior to 00:00 (UTC) March 1, 2026 on Bitstamp.  If the BTC price touches upon $69,999 or lower on or prior to 00:00 (UTC) March 1, 2026 on Bitstamp, then you would win the bet. 

Otherwise if $69,999 or lower is not touched upon on or before 00:00 March 1, 2026, then the bet would close in my favor at that time and I would win the bet.

The loser of the bet would send the winner of the bet 30k sats (meaning they receive 30k sats so the loser has to count for any transaction fees).  The winner of the bet would need to provide a valid bitcoin address, which would either be on chain or lightning network.  In recent times, on chain fees have been reasonably low, so we may well end up transacting on chain.

I suppose that we could go on word, even though I find you to be a bit irritating and confusing and even an admitted purveyor of posts that hardly have any value.. in other words, frequently junk and even portraying yourself as unreliable.

-It's not arrogance of me to say that you've already lost, apparently, it's clear that you've already lost...lol...
 

From my perspective it is arrogant of you to insist that you know the future before such future has played out, and my bet with LFC does not close until either a new ATH of $126,272 or greater on Bitstamp or at 00:00 UTC on April 1, 2026.

>it has nothing of Nostradammus, but proportion.

Sure.  Probability and certainty are not the same thing, so having some humility in regards to the future is likely a better way of communicating with others, to the extent that you would like to be treated seriously.

According to my understanding here on my side, the price can reach the range of 47 to 54k, and 70k in another wave, it's not difficult

You seem to not understand bitcoin, and you are even coming up with even more outrageous (and unlikely numbers), which does not make your case any better.  Sure all kinds of numbers are possible, yet it seems a bit retarded to be talking about outrageously unlikely scenarios and then acting as if those were reasonable scenarios when they are not.

If we think about matters in terms of the 200-WMA, which is currently nearly $56k, and it is moving up between about $30 and $40 per day.. Historically bitcoin has touched upon the 200-WMA during bear markets, and even in 2022, bitcoin spent right around 16 months (between June 2022 and October 2023) at or below the 200-WMA - and even got down to 35% below the 200-WMA at its maximum low point of $15,479 in November 2022.  During that timeframe the 200-WMA continued to move up and at the beginning of that period in June 2022, the 200-WMA was right around $22k, and towards the end of the period in October 2023, it was right around $28.5k.   

So yeah throughout that 16-ish month period the 200-WMA continued to move up, which seems to indicated that the likely bottom continued to move up .. even though ongoingly there were guys talking about even more extreme lows than what ended up playing out.  Sure there are a lot of BTC prices that are possible, yet it still seems a bit out of touch to talk about extremely low BTC prices as if they were realistically within a range of probable outcomes.

, however, I just told you that the price was very short time close to 80k, and that's a good sign for you to beat me, but it doesn't mean that it will have a new high before August 2026.

 Of course, the bitcoin's price going up is not guaranteed.  It is not guaranteed to go up, down or sideways, and so what?  Are you wanting to make a bet that no new ATH will be reached prior to August 2026?  Are you also treating your own bitcoin holdings with such nonsensical ideas about BTC price possibilities/probabilities? 

Surely you have been registered on the forum since September 2018, so you have had a lot of opportunity to build up a bitcoin stash, but if you are so dumb about bitcoin, maybe you have been ongoingly failing refusing to stack bitcoin because you fail/refuse to understand its upside potentials... which have largely been playing out since September 2018.  Even with modestly ongoing investment into bitcoin since September 2018, you could have had been in quite good financial status if you had been erroring on the side of accumulating bitcoin and holding bitcoin in the past more than 7 years.  Instead what are you doing?  Fucking around trying to trade and/or time the market?

...when I say that the price was very short time at 80k shows that the chances of you winning are 75%, but I like to believe in myself and what I see here, and I know I have a good 25% chance happen, and the moment you told me to pay what I'm saying, I didn't think twice, and I pay to see.

You are betting on something that you believe has 25% odds of happening?  How could that make any logical sense, especially when we have a 50/50 payout?
 

Of course I know that this month, it's the last chance to see the price above 100k and I also know that if by January the price doesn't lose that 100k and closes above 108k,(According to the natural proportion, I know this is to happen, and in January to pass 116 again, the price goes to 154 without mercy, and as long as I don't see it happen, it won't happen... hahaha) I practically consider that I lost... But I don't consider that there will be a new high before April, or before August.   ....

I would imagine that with your ways of assessing bitcoin, you have had a lot of times that you have been wrong in the past 7-ish years, yet you still want to be arrogant about the matter? 

Maybe you have a gambling problem?  or maybe you need to go to some kind of a school to learn maths and sciences (statistics and probabilities)?

..._doYou know what I noticed too?, that I've been talking seriously with you, but I really, prefer to come here, and make some random posts with puns, about the short term, and some more nonsense with 50% real sense... hehehe...

Yeah.. You are surely seeming like a waste of time.

But understand that I really have a method here to predict prices.... And somehow I've been right, clear , im  also makes mistakes... I made some good trades in the last few days, but I've also been making big mistakes...,,

Your decision to trade the best asset known to man is likely assisting you in your having fun staying poor, when you surely could have had put yourself into a considerably good position in the past 7-ish years if you had errored on the side of accumulating  bitcoin during that time.

Even a mere $50 per week would have resulted in around $19k invested and nearly 1.2 BTC accumulated, and I doubt that whatever you are doing is even close to that level of performance.
 

I really feel very good to come here to talk nonsense and make you mad hehehe, but my intention would be to see you laughing and calling me an idiot hahaha
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-Man, I'm not saying that no one is obliged to help anyone...... I don't remember the context very well, but it's something that if it's not to help that it's not to hinder...

 More bad logic.  Members do not have obligations to not hinder other members, which seems to be your goal... to hinder others.

(!)>but I'll give you an example... Your model of accumulation / and sustainable withhdraw would be a good example of how you are trying to help forum readers, but since you said you have no obligation to help, then your method was not made to help? You realized that x above the average of 200 weekly, it's a good time to save a part of the investment and had time spent with your study, and so you wrote and posted,... What purpose did you post with? to hinder people? Just to have extra content?

Those are ideas that people can take into account, and from my perspective they are better than traditional ways of assessing bitcoin.  Take with them what you will or not.

What would be the finality? if not to help?... they are just my questions, which help me understand the person who is talking to me,

Your level of questions are really high on the dumb level, and we should be able to use some common sense in regards to what inspires people to action, and perhaps even try to imagine beyond your own ways of thinking.
 

it's okay that you edited there, and referred only to me, no problem... but I'm also not trying to say that people here on the forum are obligated to help....'It doesn't need to answer about it, it's already saturated.'
...(#)look>> 

How come I feel that I am totally wasting my time interacting with you?  Perhaps wasting the time of other members in these here parts, too?

I did not have Agreeing With Peter Schiff on my 2025 Bingo Card but here we are

I know he's a non-stop hater. That's what he does. Its how he's maintained relevance for the last 10 years. But this tweet just hits me in my juicy center.

Fair enough.  Bitter and disgruntled haters love other bitter and disgruntled haters.

[BitHodlers]

That felt like a 2018 style inverse Bart.

I was looking for it just to post it here for those that have not seen such pictures from before.

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[BTCETFInvestor]

Strong 24 hour volume continues - currently at $87B  

[d_eddie]

I did not have Agreeing With Peter Schiff on my 2025 Bingo Card but here we are

I know he's a non-stop hater. That's what he does. Its how he's maintained relevance for the last 10 years. But this tweet just hits me in my juicy center.

Fair enough.  Bitter and disgruntled haters love other bitter and disgruntled haters.

I think this move from Saylor is a good one. It might look like a cowardly choice, buying USD when there's a juicy dip to dive into, but he's covering his (and the shareholders') ass in case things turn out for the worse. Now he's got most future liabilities covered, whatever happens to our favorite number.

Schiff can go on hating - that's all he does - even after being proven wrong dozens of times. No accountability, no shame. Why should he care?

[WatChe]

I think this move from Saylor is a good one. It might look like a cowardly choice, buying USD when there's a juicy dip to dive into, but he's covering his (and the shareholders') ass in case things turn out for the worse. Now he's got most future liabilities covered, whatever happens to our favorite number.

Schiff can go on hating - that's all he does - even after being proven wrong dozens of times. No accountability, no shame. Why should he care?

Because the game isn't over yet.

[cAPSLOCK]

I have so much hopium on reserve right now. I'm just not posting it because inevitably I end up looking like an idiot six months later, but I don't know. It's getting dangerous. I might have to post a little.

Much of this is obvious.

Whatever is in front of us is going to be a bumpy road, if they're trying to set up a new financial system as the dollar spirals into oblivion as we all knew it would since the 70s. Perhaps even FDR.

Is Tether going to be the US and perhaps world CBDC?  And in this new system, we'll bitcoin step into the role of pre-1971 gold?

Unfortunately, I would think the former (or something like it) has a strong chance of happening, but not the latter.   And at the least, I see the model looking a bit like what Tether is currently already doing.  A full reserve backed system with real assets representing each digital US dollar. Well, as real as treasury bonds can ever be.  And with Bitcoin being the underlying hard asset that anchors it all, even if it's just a part of the reserves.

And if you look at what the various players are currently doing, the Trump family living through its first massive bear and Bitcoin just like we all did? Don't get twisted around politics with this. Whatever you think about Trump, they are signaling their intents by their actions.  And they're doing real mining, a real treasury, and shit-coining, too, of course, which we all love.

People like Elon talking about energy money now.  Bessant showing up at Pub Key in DC.  The tether guys becoming more and more important in various discussions.  Trump talking about doing away with income tax in the United States, which is extraordinary.

This signals to me that they are really planning on shaking things up somehow, and there is a plan.

The leadership at JP Morgan know this plan.  People like Michael Saylor probably know more than the average bear, but I bet you that there's a few things that he doesn't know that the Fed Reserve members do.

We're almost to the hopium hang on. But I bet you're already starting to feel a tingle, aren't you?

So if you were the old guard, and everyone is beginning to realize that the system has to be re-jiggered, that the fourth turning idea is probably real, and here we are in the middle of it.

Are you going to give up the branding name of the Almighty U.S. dollar? I don't think so. I think you're going to reintroduce it based on a different system and reset the board somehow.  Just as we have more than one time in the past.

The big guys have figured out they can't stop Bitcoin any more than Bitcoin could stop the Fed Reserve from printing money.  But they are powerful enough to manipulate it, and they are buying.

If that was you and you had successfully kept Bitcoin very even with its upward pressure throughout the end of 24 and through 25, what would you do right at the moment that the blow off top was supposed to happen in Bitcoin.  With all the crusty old whales holding Bitcoin out there, you would move it down as hard as you could while at the same time you attack Michael Saylor and at the same time JP Morgan introduces a competitive product to his.  They can screw with it in the short term. They can push on it at the exchanges. They can release news like Epstein was funding the core dev team. They can push and push. They can tell everybody all of a sudden from 20 places at once that Zcash was replacing Bitcoin.  And so on.

They know we expect the cycle. Even those of us that are poo-pooing it still know that it has energy and it has been true so far. They're incentivized to put on this show.  And I assume they'll press as hard as they can because they need to keep the price down as long as they can.

But if they know they can't stop Bitcoin, but only kick it every now and then. Why would they be spending all this energy and money and time doing it right now?

That's right, they're buying.  Both because they want to continue to build a stake big enough to whip Bitcoin around when they need to, but also because they know nothing is going to stop it and they need to collect as much as possible before it becomes exceedingly difficult.

It's really the only narrative that makes sense.


We're going up, gentlemen, at least in the middle to the long term. We're not going to keep going down for that much longer. I will eat my shoe if we have to wait four years. We're not going to.

We are going up.


And I have a feeling it's going to be a whirlwind that rivals many we've seen in the past, but I know I'm starting to become manic at this point.


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Okay, some reality checks, disclaimers, and dark side stuff.

I said at the beginning it will be a bumpy road and it's going to be bumpy as hell and it's going to be crushing for people who do not own any kind of real assets.  As the current administrationprints checks, directly to the public, talks about eliminating taxes while interest rates begin dropping and already happened in Japan... The monetary inflation rate is going to be probably in the 20% range year over year.. People will begin to suffer, and I think this is some of the setup for why we have to immediately switch to a new monetary system.

One of the people out and about still making very very bullish speeches about Bitcoin and how important it is to this coming new system, though he's not that direct, is also the interim chairman of the WEF. And there is no doubt at this point that organization's purpose is to steer all Western economies into the ground and do a reset that gives the same oligarchs and bankers and assholes control.  These are not the good guys and the current head of that organization is pretending to be one.

We are in or on the verge of wars all over the planet. It is getting a little gross.

As the dollar continues to inflate in the US, things like health care and energy prices are going into melt-ups and bankrupting people. And this isn't going to get better.

I could be wrong, and the old system is going to continue trying to destroy Strategy until they actually do.  Then maybe they do have the power to crash Bitcoin so badly and tame it like they did gold, but I think that's a long shot and I think they know it.

Anyway, I can't leave this on the negatives. As I said, it may take a minute, but there's no way we're not turning back up.

[BTCETFInvestor]

BTCETFInvestor reports proof of Spot Bitcoin ETFs for the win!

Vanguard’s embrace of spot Bitcoin ETFs adds another giant gatekeeper to the BTC on-ramp, channeling retirement and retail capital into the asset.

You now have BlackRock, Fidelity, and Vanguard funneling retirement portfolios, 401(k)s, and brokerage accounts into spot Bitcoin. That flow doesn’t just push up $BTC’s market cap; it changes how traditional investors think about crypto risk. Bitcoin starts to look like ‘digital gold core holding,’ not a speculative side bet.

► https://www.newsbtc.com/news/vanguard-etf-pivot-causes-fomo-as-hyper-rides-the-wave/

[cAPSLOCK]

I suppose it would be delusions of grandeur that would make me wonder whether the old guard, as they struggle through trying to control Bitcoin, would send someone to this little corner of the internet to try to chip loose some of the old crusty idealistic OGs.  There's no doubt that the campaign is running on places like X, etc.

The coordinated Zcash pump and dump was so obvious it was painful.

Wouldn't that be funny if they assigned someone to come try to change the sentiment of the members of this thread?

That would like being stationed at the South Pole or something. Hopefully, that person would have a deck of cards they can play with.

[Biodom]

I suppose it would be delusions of grandeur that would make me wonder whether the old guard, as they struggle through trying to control Bitcoin, would send someone to this little corner of the internet to try to chip loose some of the old crusty idealistic OGs.  There's no doubt that the campaign is running on places like X, etc.

The coordinated Zcash pump and dump was so obvious it was painful.

Wouldn't that be funny if they assigned someone to come try to change the sentiment of the members of this thread?

That would like being stationed at the South Pole or something. Hopefully, that person would have a deck of cards they can play with.

These days, it doesn't have to be a person.

[ChartBuddy]

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[BitHodlers]

I think this move from Saylor is a good one. It might look like a cowardly choice, buying USD when there's a juicy dip to dive into, but he's covering his (and the shareholders') ass in case things turn out for the worse. Now he's got most future liabilities covered, whatever happens to our favorite number.

Schiff can go on hating - that's all he does - even after being proven wrong dozens of times. No accountability, no shame. Why should he care?

Because the game isn't over yet.

The game is over, Bitcoin has already won a long time ago. It just takes different people a different amount of time to realize it. Everyone will realize it at the price that they deserve. 

[BTCETFInvestor]

BTCETFInvestor reports proof of Spot Bitcoin ETFs for the win!

Vanguard’s embrace of spot Bitcoin ETFs adds another giant gatekeeper to the BTC on-ramp, channeling retirement and retail capital into the asset.

You now have BlackRock, Fidelity, and Vanguard funneling retirement portfolios, 401(k)s, and brokerage accounts into spot Bitcoin. That flow doesn’t just push up $BTC’s market cap; it changes how traditional investors think about crypto risk. Bitcoin starts to look like ‘digital gold core holding,’ not a speculative side bet.

► https://www.newsbtc.com/news/vanguard-etf-pivot-causes-fomo-as-hyper-rides-the-wave/

This is HUGE! More information pertaining to spot Bitcoin ETFs in U.S. retirement accounts and what it potentially means for Bitcoin:

Fidelity already offers Bitcoin exposure through its retirement platform, and BlackRock has hinted at integrating its iShares Bitcoin Trust into retirement channels.

Analysts estimate hundreds of billions of dollars in retirement assets could eventually gain partial Bitcoin exposure if these ETFs are approved for 401(k) menus. Even a 1–2% allocation across U.S. retirement assets (over $7 trillion in 401(k)s alone) would translate into $70–140 billion in potential inflows.


If Bitcoin ETFs become a standard sleeve in target-date retirement funds (the default option in most 401(k)s), inflows could scale dramatically. Conservative estimates suggest $150–250 billion over the next decade could be funneled into retirement portfolios, assuming gradual adoption by plan sponsors and fiduciaries. Bullish scenarios (if Bitcoin gains mainstream acceptance as “digital gold”) push projections toward $500 billion+ in retirement-linked inflows.

In short, tens of billions are already flowing in via brokerage accounts and IRAs, while 401(k) and retirement portfolios could eventually channel $100–250 billion (conservative) to $500 billion+ (bullish) over the next decade, depending on adoption speed.

[cr1776]

Rep. Warren Davidson (R-OH) introduced today the Bitcoin For America Act in the U.S. House of Representatives, a landmark proposal designed to modernize the U.S. financial system and position the nation at the forefront of the global digital asset economy.

The bill would allow Americans to pay federal taxes in bitcoin, with all proceeds deposited into a newly created Strategic Bitcoin Reserve (SBR).

► https://bitcoinmagazine.com/news/bitcoin-for-america-act-tax-free-bitcoin

There must be a special place in hell for those who decide to pay their taxes in Bitcoin.

It won't happen any time soon, but if you can pay taxes in bitcoin without having to realize a gain and then pay taxes on that, it would be a win win.  Ideally they just eliminate capital gains taxes on it, but that won't happen.

[ChartBuddy]

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[JayJuanGee]

I did not have Agreeing With Peter Schiff on my 2025 Bingo Card but here we are

I know he's a non-stop hater. That's what he does. Its how he's maintained relevance for the last 10 years. But this tweet just hits me in my juicy center.

Fair enough.  Bitter and disgruntled haters love other bitter and disgruntled haters.

I think this move from Saylor is a good one. It might look like a cowardly choice, buying USD when there's a juicy dip to dive into, but he's covering his (and the shareholders') ass in case things turn out for the worse. Now he's got most future liabilities covered, whatever happens to our favorite number.

Schiff can go on hating - that's all he does - even after being proven wrong dozens of times. No accountability, no shame. Why should he care?

For sure, Saylor/MSTR's timing of their move to buttress up their dollar reserves is a bit awkward and also seems to have had negative affects on the share prices, and it would have had probably been better to have had been more pro-active rather than reactive, yet surely many of us more prudent folks can recognize benefits in being sufficiently/adequately prepared for either BTC price directions..

Historically, I have had quite a bit of sympathy for Saylor and MSTR for overly weighting their biasness of preparedness in favor of up rather than down, yet his "better late than never" preparation for down, does not seem a bad play, overall.   

I think this move from Saylor is a good one. It might look like a cowardly choice, buying USD when there's a juicy dip to dive into, but he's covering his (and the shareholders') ass in case things turn out for the worse. Now he's got most future liabilities covered, whatever happens to our favorite number.

Schiff can go on hating - that's all he does - even after being proven wrong dozens of times. No accountability, no shame. Why should he care?

Because the game isn't over yet.

Yep.    A lot of life has been breathed back into gold, and the goldies are surely feeling their oats in recent times, even a whole calendar year of such oat-feelings by the gold bugs.

I have so much hopium on reserve right now. I'm just not posting it because inevitably I end up looking like an idiot six months later, but I don't know. It's getting dangerous. I might have to post a little.

Much of this is obvious.

Whatever is in front of us is going to be a bumpy road, if they're trying to set up a new financial system as the dollar spirals into oblivion as we all knew it would since the 70s. Perhaps even FDR.

Is Tether going to be the US and perhaps world CBDC?  And in this new system, we'll bitcoin step into the role of pre-1971 gold?

Unfortunately, I would think the former (or something like it) has a strong chance of happening, but not the latter.   And at the least, I see the model looking a bit like what Tether is currently already doing.  A full reserve backed system with real assets representing each digital US dollar. Well, as real as treasury bonds can ever be.  And with Bitcoin being the underlying hard asset that anchors it all, even if it's just a part of the reserves.

Oh gawd cAPSLOCK..

Are you for real?

I understand that Tether is backing itself one to one with US Treasuries, and it is also overly collateralizing with extra kinds of reserves, but still how could US Treasuries serve as any kind of a "real" backing?  Tether is kept in check, but the overall system is hardly kept in check.. it remains as much smoke and mirrors as it ever was.

And if you look at what the various players are currently doing, the Trump family living through its first massive bear and Bitcoin just like we all did? Don't get twisted around politics with this. Whatever you think about Trump, they are signaling their intents by their actions.  And they're doing real mining, a real treasury, and shit-coining, too, of course, which we all love.

They cannot help themselves.  The greedy bastards.

 

People like Elon talking about energy money now.  Bessant showing up at Pub Key in DC.  The tether guys becoming more and more important in various discussions.  Trump talking about doing away with income tax in the United States, which is extraordinary.

I'll believe it when I see it, but yeah, nothing wrong with exploring some possible changes and shaking things up.

This signals to me that they are really planning on shaking things up somehow, and there is a plan.

Yes.  We think alike.. .Almost like brothers from another mothers.

The leadership at JP Morgan know this plan.  People like Michael Saylor probably know more than the average bear, but I bet you that there's a few things that he doesn't know that the Fed Reserve members do.

We're almost to the hopium hang on. But I bet you're already starting to feel a tingle, aren't you?

I am feeling like some things are just talk and not actions, even though talk is worth something, too.

So if you were the old guard, and everyone is beginning to realize that the system has to be re-jiggered, that the fourth turning idea is probably real, and here we are in the middle of it.

I am getting scared.

Are you going to give up the branding name of the Almighty U.S. dollar? I don't think so. I think you're going to reintroduce it based on a different system and reset the board somehow.  Just as we have more than one time in the past.

The big guys have figured out they can't stop Bitcoin any more than Bitcoin could stop the Fed Reserve from printing money.  But they are powerful enough to manipulate it, and they are buying.

If that was you and you had successfully kept Bitcoin very even with its upward pressure throughout the end of 24 and through 25, what would you do right at the moment that the blow off top was supposed to happen in Bitcoin.  With all the crusty old whales holding Bitcoin out there, you would move it down as hard as you could while at the same time you attack Michael Saylor and at the same time JP Morgan introduces a competitive product to his.  They can screw with it in the short term. They can push on it at the exchanges. They can release news like Epstein was funding the core dev team. They can push and push. They can tell everybody all of a sudden from 20 places at once that Zcash was replacing Bitcoin.  And so on.

Ok... and what are they going get out of all of this?

They know we expect the cycle. Even those of us that are poo-pooing it still know that it has energy and it has been true so far. They're incentivized to put on this show.  And I assume they'll press as hard as they can because they need to keep the price down as long as they can.

Sure what else is new?  I had heard that Bank of America is offering some kind of product starting January 1, so it could be a goal to try to keep the BTC price suppressed until January 1 and for a bit of time after that.. but yeah, I am not going to claim to know if further down can be accomplished, or if we might remain flat for a few more weeks or perhaps if they might not be successful in keeping down dee cornz.

You are not going to trap me into any specifics.

But if they know they can't stop Bitcoin, but only kick it every now and then. Why would they be spending all this energy and money and time doing it right now?

That's right, they're buying.  Both because they want to continue to build a stake big enough to whip Bitcoin around when they need to, but also because they know nothing is going to stop it and they need to collect as much as possible before it becomes exceedingly difficult.

It's really the only narrative that makes sense.

Sure. No problem.  I have problems with the use of the term "only."

We're going up, gentlemen, at least in the middle to the long term. We're not going to keep going down for that much longer. I will eat my shoe if we have to wait four years. We're not going to.

We are going up.

The bold helped your statement.  Otherwise I would not have known what you were saying, exactly.   

And I have a feeling it's going to be a whirlwind that rivals many we've seen in the past, but I know I'm starting to become manic at this point.

You seem to be implying that we are going up before January 1, yet I am not clear when the ATH will get broken?  Prior to April 1?  perhaps?  #justasking, randomly

Okay, some reality checks, disclaimers, and dark side stuff.

Ok.  You had to ruin dee moo.  You couldn't help yourself.   

I said at the beginning it will be a bumpy road and it's going to be bumpy as hell and it's going to be crushing for people who do not own any kind of real assets.  As the current administrationprints checks, directly to the public, talks about eliminating taxes while interest rates begin dropping and already happened in Japan... The monetary inflation rate is going to be probably in the 20% range year over year.. People will begin to suffer, and I think this is some of the setup for why we have to immediately switch to a new monetary system.

Well, yeah.... Just an exaggeration of what is already happening and has been happening, at least since 2020.. and probably at a bit slower pace prior to that.

One of the people out and about still making very very bullish speeches about Bitcoin and how important it is to this coming new system, though he's not that direct, is also the interim chairman of the WEF. And there is no doubt at this point that organization's purpose is to steer all Western economies into the ground and do a reset that gives the same oligarchs and bankers and assholes control.  These are not the good guys and the current head of that organization is pretending to be one.

Sure fair enough. 

We are in or on the verge of wars all over the planet. It is getting a little gross.

As the dollar continues to inflate in the US, things like health care and energy prices are going into melt-ups and bankrupting people. And this isn't going to get better.

I could be wrong, and the old system is going to continue trying to destroy Strategy until they actually do.  

A complicated thing about Strategy is that those who are seeking to destroy it or disempower it are also invested in it... One of the ironies of public markets.  Even though the various powers that be frequently hedge, they don't always get everything that they want.

Then maybe they do have the power to crash Bitcoin so badly and tame it like they did gold, but I think that's a long shot and I think they know it.

Crashing it does not seem like something that is controllable enough.. .. and yeah, I suppose that you left out the getting inside developers angle and the locking up (or otherwise disempowering) of privacy advocates.

Anyway, I can't leave this on the negatives. As I said, it may take a minute, but there's no way we're not turning back up.

hahahahaha

Famous last words.

The punchline is that we are going up.

Who would-a-thunk?

[Lidger]

Sad to say this but I am of the thinking this bull run is over. I have to be frank, I was expecting a much more powerful surge. I made some bad decisions many years ago & sold all my Bitcoin far too early. Some of you may remember me being an asshole a bit in this very thread. It was because I am still mad at my moronic actions. I accepted it & am now back to over 1 full Bitcoin. It’s not a lot but if we do enter a bear market that lasts a couple of years I am hopeful that I can hit 2 or more full coins by the next big bull. I might sell some then but I couldn’t this year. It just didn't go high enough to make it worth it. We will be back, $1M per coin in the next 20 years with any luck.

When people make mistakes and after making mistakes, when they have a strong desire to do something good, they work on those mistakes and learn from those mistakes and move forward. You had invested earlier, you sold your investment due to market volatility but hopefully now you understand that you made a mistake at that time so now you may not make the same mistake again. We have to take some steps, as I initially thought that in the next five to six years I will hold my investment and not just hold it I will try to increase the amount of investment during this time. In these five to six years, it is not my concern to see how much loss or profit I have made from my total portfolio, I will check my portfolio only when my investment tenure is 5 to 6 years. I am not saying that I will sell my investment only after five to six years, it may be that then I decided to hold the investment for a longer period.

[JayJuanGee]

I suppose it would be delusions of grandeur that would make me wonder whether the old guard, as they struggle through trying to control Bitcoin, would send someone to this little corner of the internet to try to chip loose some of the old crusty idealistic OGs.  There's no doubt that the campaign is running on places like X, etc.

The coordinated Zcash pump and dump was so obvious it was painful.

Wouldn't that be funny if they assigned someone to come try to change the sentiment of the members of this thread?

That would like being stationed at the South Pole or something. Hopefully, that person would have a deck of cards they can play with.

I suppose that BTCETFInvestor is receiving his pay in Fidelity?  Surely not bitcoin. Maybe he is receiving dollars?  not cookies and milk, only.

I suppose it would be delusions of grandeur that would make me wonder whether the old guard, as they struggle through trying to control Bitcoin, would send someone to this little corner of the internet to try to chip loose some of the old crusty idealistic OGs.  There's no doubt that the campaign is running on places like X, etc.
The coordinated Zcash pump and dump was so obvious it was painful.

Wouldn't that be funny if they assigned someone to come try to change the sentiment of the members of this thread?
That would like being stationed at the South Pole or something. Hopefully, that person would have a deck of cards they can play with.

These days, it doesn't have to be a person.

As long as "they" program him well, "they" don't even have to pay him.

Sad to say this but I am of the thinking this bull run is over. I have to be frank, I was expecting a much more powerful surge. I made some bad decisions many years ago & sold all my Bitcoin far too early. Some of you may remember me being an asshole a bit in this very thread. It was because I am still mad at my moronic actions. I accepted it & am now back to over 1 full Bitcoin. It’s not a lot but if we do enter a bear market that lasts a couple of years I am hopeful that I can hit 2 or more full coins by the next big bull. I might sell some then but I couldn’t this year. It just didn't go high enough to make it worth it. We will be back, $1M per coin in the next 20 years with any luck.

When people make mistakes and after making mistakes, when they have a strong desire to do something good, they work on those mistakes and learn from those mistakes and move forward. You had invested earlier, you sold your investment due to market volatility but hopefully now you understand that you made a mistake at that time so now you may not make the same mistake again. We have to take some steps, as I initially thought that in the next five to six years I will hold my investment and not just hold it I will try to increase the amount of investment during this time. In these five to six years, it is not my concern to see how much loss or profit I have made from my total portfolio, I will check my portfolio only when my investment tenure is 5 to 6 years. I am not saying that I will sell my investment only after five to six years, it may be that then I decided to hold the investment for a longer period.

Of course, depending on where you are at. If you invest 10% of your income into bitcoin, then after 5 years you would have had invested   half of a year of your income into it.  Of course, if you are able to invest 20% into bitcoin over 5 years, then you would have had put a whole year's of your income into bitcoin.

I tend to think that there needs to be at least a whole cycle accumulating bitcoin, and then a whole cycle holding and /or maintaining it before a person might enter into some kind of a sustainable withdrawal phase, yet it also depends hjow much is put in and also if the person did not screw up too much and/or wreck their lil selfie in the process, since a minimum of a couple of cycles is quite a bit and even a lot fo people cannot even accomplish moving to sustainable withdrawal even after 2 cycles or more.. since so many folks have difficulties frontloading their investment, so many folks might still be accumulating even after 10 years of ongoing buying of bitcoin.. .and yeah, hopefully they do not end up screwing up, drifting into trading, shitcoining and/or a common flaw of either selling too much too soon or another variation of failing/refusing in regards to continuing to accumulate.

Of course, another problem that we have in recent times relates to various paper bitcoin products... so caution needs to be exercised in regards to whether and how much exposure to have to various paper bitcoin products.

[BTCETFInvestor]

[Huge Snip!]

BTCETFInvestor reports proof of Spot Bitcoin ETFs for the win!

Vanguard’s embrace of spot Bitcoin ETFs adds another giant gatekeeper to the BTC on-ramp, channeling retirement and retail capital into the asset.

You now have BlackRock, Fidelity, and Vanguard funneling retirement portfolios, 401(k)s, and brokerage accounts into spot Bitcoin. That flow doesn’t just push up $BTC’s market cap; it changes how traditional investors think about crypto risk. Bitcoin starts to look like ‘digital gold core holding,’ not a speculative side bet.

► https://www.newsbtc.com/news/vanguard-etf-pivot-causes-fomo-as-hyper-rides-the-wave/

This is HUGE! More information pertaining to spot Bitcoin ETFs in U.S. retirement accounts and what it potentially means for Bitcoin:

Fidelity already offers Bitcoin exposure through its retirement platform, and BlackRock has hinted at integrating its iShares Bitcoin Trust into retirement channels.

Analysts estimate hundreds of billions of dollars in retirement assets could eventually gain partial Bitcoin exposure if these ETFs are approved for 401(k) menus. Even a 1–2% allocation across U.S. retirement assets (over $7 trillion in 401(k)s alone) would translate into $70–140 billion in potential inflows.


If Bitcoin ETFs become a standard sleeve in target-date retirement funds (the default option in most 401(k)s), inflows could scale dramatically. Conservative estimates suggest $150–250 billion over the next decade could be funneled into retirement portfolios, assuming gradual adoption by plan sponsors and fiduciaries. Bullish scenarios (if Bitcoin gains mainstream acceptance as “digital gold”) push projections toward $500 billion+ in retirement-linked inflows.

In short, tens of billions are already flowing in via brokerage accounts and IRAs, while 401(k) and retirement portfolios could eventually channel $100–250 billion (conservative) to $500 billion+ (bullish) over the next decade, depending on adoption speed.

I suppose that BTCETFInvestor is receiving his pay in Fidelity?  Surely not bitcoin. Maybe he is receiving dollars?  not cookies and milk, only.

JJG - I figured you'd have a comment!