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Spain wants to ban encryption entirely.
SOURCE?!
I've seen brainfarts like that before, usually from politicians who think "encryption is used by criminals" and don't understand we'd be in the dark ages without encryption.

Politicians usually aren't experts. Most times they are depending on the latter, and sometimes those are dumb or corrupted, but the harm done by decisions without relying on expertise is generally worse. Spain did get in the headlines with questionable measures and statements lately, so i would not doubt the statement itself.
Call me oldfashioned (*insert old-fart-behind-computer-screen-meme here*), but i'd like to know sources which tell me more about origins and backgrounds.
Last not least: More often than not, context is key.


 This seems to be from the video that told the guy who feels free inside his house, who faithfully believes in the government, and he didn't want to know about it, so I feel obliged to put the source here.

 I did a quick search, and the source was from Wired, but other outlets resonated...


Leaked Government Document Shows Spain Wants to Ban End-to-End Encryption

In response to an EU proposal to scan private messages for illegal material, the country's officials said it is “imperative that we have access to the data.”

  Spain has advocated banning encryption for hundreds of millions of people within the European Union, according to a leaked document obtained by WIRED that reveals strong support among EU member states for proposals to scan private messages for illegal content


.In the video I posted, which is recent, things like this are being discussed, but the news is from 2023... context really explains more in itself than the news.

.Other sources also commented on Wired's news>


Spain Calls for Total EU Ban on Encrypted Messaging

  . Fifteen member states are in favor of extending the EU’s upcoming surveillance law to end-to-end encryption, while Spain would outright ban it in the entire EU.

   Spain’s position on the EU’s proposed Chat Control regulation is even more extreme than the Commission’s, as the country has been calling for a complete EU-wide ban on end-to-end encryption technology used by popular messaging apps, according to a document leaked to Wired earlier this month.

The so-called Child Sexual Abuse Regulation (CSAR), dubbed Chat Control by critics, would force service providers to scan the private messages of Europeans, both texts and pictures, in an effort to clamp down on the dissemination of illicit content linked to child sexual exploitation material (CSEM). Messages and media, including audio and video files, that draw suspicion of the automated scanning system would be flagged and then sent to a central database for further investigation.

Naturally, the proposal prompted waves of backlash directed at the Commission, with critics (including human rights NGOs and watchdogs dealing with digital freedom) calling Chat Control a clear violation of the fundamental right to privacy, raising serious doubts about its efficacy in achieving what it set out to, and even pointing out its ambiguous support among stakeholders who were consulted, such as child protection agencies and the teenagers themselves.

According to the Pirate Party MEP Patrick Breyer, perhaps the loudest opponent of the proposal in Brussels (with whom we had a detailed interview), the main problem is that there is still not enough awareness of this legislation among the general population to put up a meaningful resistance. “If [European] citizens were aware of Chat Control, the debate would be tremendous,” he told The European Conservative.

To add another layer, the draft proposal also includes the scanning of messages protected by end-to-end encryption, which is deployed by many popular messaging apps and is used by millions every day, including WhatsApp, Signal, and Telegram, which is the primary subject of the leaked document obtained by Wired.

For his part, Breyer believes that this amendment will be dropped during EU negotiations, but it’s still interesting to see where countries stand with the idea. Or, rather, where they stood in mid-April, when the survey, sent out by the European Council, was dated.

The document detailing the position of 20 EU member states revealed that the majority are in favor of scanning the private correspondence of European citizens, and most of them support extending the measure to encrypted communication as well. Among them, the Spanish socialist government appears to be the one that would like to go one step further in dealing with encrypted information, proposing to ban the whole technology in the EU.

“Ideally, in our view, it would be desirable to legislatively prevent EU-based service providers from implementing end-to-end encryption,” the Spanish position in the document says, later adding that “It is imperative that we have access to the data … and it is equally imperative that we have the capacity to analyze them, no matter how large the volume.”

Of the 20 countries whose views have been compiled in the document, 15 also favor including encrypted communication under the scope of the law. Many of them identified encrypted messaging services as the primary channel for dissemination of CSEM and recommended that the final law should include clear wording to make sure companies comply.

Some countries, including Denmark, Ireland, and the Netherlands, signaled support for scanning encrypted messages, but would also add further measures to protect the end-to-end encryption of these apps from weakening. This a noble sentiment, but cybersecurity experts say it’s technically impossible to do both.

“They want to keep the security of encryption whilst being able to circumvent it … they want privacy but they also want to indiscriminately scan encrypted communications,” Ella Jakubowska, a senior policy advisor at the European Digital Rights (EDRi) said, adding that she is “unsurprised but nevertheless shocked” at some EU member states’ “really shallow understanding” of the technology they would like to regulate.

Others, such as Germany, Italy, Finland, and Estonia, were not as convinced as the majority that the benefits of being able to scan encrypted messages outweigh the potential harm of weakening the entire system and putting the user at risk of being hacked by malicious actors or prompting service providers to leave the European market.

These responses “demonstrate a more comprehensive understanding of the stakes in the CSA regulation discussions,” said Riana Pfefferkorn, a research scholar at Stanford University’s Internet Observatory. “The regulation will not only affect criminal investigations for a specific set of offenses; it affects governments’ own data security, national security, and the privacy and data protection rights of their citizens, as well as innovation and economic development.”
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This article is interesting - It makes a Bitcoin price prediction by JPMorgan and provides information on Hashrate decline and miner production costs:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-price-could-hit-170k-110608523.html

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Strategy’s ability to hold Bitcoin may shape BTC’s path, as JPMorgan’s gold-based analysis signals potential for $170K.

As profits tighten, several high-cost producers have been forced to liquidate Bitcoin holdings in recent weeks to remain solvent.

Despite those pressures, JPMorgan said miners are no longer the key driver of Bitcoin’s next major move. Instead, attention has shifted to Strategy’s ability to maintain its Bitcoin position without being forced into sales.

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I have so much hopium on reserve right now.
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Anyway, I can't leave this on the negatives. As I said, it may take a minute, but there's no way we're not turning back up.

Amazing how hairbrained and fantastical these gameouts sounded 10+ years ago, even to coiners on this forum, no? That this kinda talk is worth consideration by all is a measurable 2-3 order of magnitude shift in fin-political relevance to be sure.

I feel like something big is rumbling off in the distance.

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as long as I get to choose the drugs..

Government-issued LSD in the water supply and mandatory weed-burning flare stacks in every neighborhood.
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I feel like something big is rumbling off in the distance.

That's just my stomach, since adding Metamucil and plant sterols to the daily regimen; takes a while for the stomach biome to adjust, from my understanding.

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This article is interesting - It makes a Bitcoin price prediction by JPMorgan and provides information on Hashrate decline and miner production costs:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-price-could-hit-170k-110608523.html

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Strategy’s ability to hold Bitcoin may shape BTC’s path, as JPMorgan’s gold-based analysis signals potential for $170K.

As profits tighten, several high-cost producers have been forced to liquidate Bitcoin holdings in recent weeks to remain solvent.

Despite those pressures, JPMorgan said miners are no longer the key driver of Bitcoin’s next major move. Instead, attention has shifted to Strategy’s ability to maintain its Bitcoin position without being forced into sales.

Who would have thought 10 years ago that JPM would speculate on how much 1 BTC would be worth and what it actually depends on? Apparently, the only thing that matters to them is what Saylor will do, as if all those ETFs that currently have over 1 million BTC don't exist.

Saylor + spot ETF = approximately 2 million BTC hanging over our heads.
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Spain wants to ban encryption entirely.
SOURCE?!
I've seen brainfarts like that before, usually from politicians who think "encryption is used by criminals" and don't understand we'd be in the dark ages without encryption.

Politicians usually aren't experts. Most times they are depending on the latter, and sometimes those are dumb or corrupted, but the harm done by decisions without relying on expertise is generally worse. Spain did get in the headlines with questionable measures and statements lately, so i would not doubt the statement itself.
Call me oldfashioned (*insert old-fart-behind-computer-screen-meme here*), but i'd like to know sources which tell me more about origins and backgrounds.
Last not least: More often than not, context is key.


 This seems to be from the video that told the guy who feels free inside his house, who faithfully believes in the government, and he didn't want to know about it, so I feel obliged to put the source here.

 I did a quick search, and the source was from Wired, but other outlets resonated...


Leaked Government Document Shows Spain Wants to Ban End-to-End Encryption

In response to an EU proposal to scan private messages for illegal material, the country's officials said it is “imperative that we have access to the data.”

  Spain has advocated banning encryption for hundreds of millions of people within the European Union, according to a leaked document obtained by WIRED that reveals strong support among EU member states for proposals to scan private messages for illegal content


.In the video I posted, which is recent, things like this are being discussed, but the news is from 2023... context really explains more in itself than the news.

.Other sources also commented on Wired's news>


Spain Calls for Total EU Ban on Encrypted Messaging

  . Fifteen member states are in favor of extending the EU’s upcoming surveillance law to end-to-end encryption, while Spain would outright ban it in the entire EU.

   Spain’s position on the EU’s proposed Chat Control regulation is even more extreme than the Commission’s, as the country has been calling for a complete EU-wide ban on end-to-end encryption technology used by popular messaging apps, according to a document leaked to Wired earlier this month.

The so-called Child Sexual Abuse Regulation (CSAR), dubbed Chat Control by critics, would force service providers to scan the private messages of Europeans, both texts and pictures, in an effort to clamp down on the dissemination of illicit content linked to child sexual exploitation material (CSEM). Messages and media, including audio and video files, that draw suspicion of the automated scanning system would be flagged and then sent to a central database for further investigation.

Naturally, the proposal prompted waves of backlash directed at the Commission, with critics (including human rights NGOs and watchdogs dealing with digital freedom) calling Chat Control a clear violation of the fundamental right to privacy, raising serious doubts about its efficacy in achieving what it set out to, and even pointing out its ambiguous support among stakeholders who were consulted, such as child protection agencies and the teenagers themselves.

According to the Pirate Party MEP Patrick Breyer, perhaps the loudest opponent of the proposal in Brussels (with whom we had a detailed interview), the main problem is that there is still not enough awareness of this legislation among the general population to put up a meaningful resistance. “If [European] citizens were aware of Chat Control, the debate would be tremendous,” he told The European Conservative.

To add another layer, the draft proposal also includes the scanning of messages protected by end-to-end encryption, which is deployed by many popular messaging apps and is used by millions every day, including WhatsApp, Signal, and Telegram, which is the primary subject of the leaked document obtained by Wired.

For his part, Breyer believes that this amendment will be dropped during EU negotiations, but it’s still interesting to see where countries stand with the idea. Or, rather, where they stood in mid-April, when the survey, sent out by the European Council, was dated.

The document detailing the position of 20 EU member states revealed that the majority are in favor of scanning the private correspondence of European citizens, and most of them support extending the measure to encrypted communication as well. Among them, the Spanish socialist government appears to be the one that would like to go one step further in dealing with encrypted information, proposing to ban the whole technology in the EU.

“Ideally, in our view, it would be desirable to legislatively prevent EU-based service providers from implementing end-to-end encryption,” the Spanish position in the document says, later adding that “It is imperative that we have access to the data … and it is equally imperative that we have the capacity to analyze them, no matter how large the volume.”

Of the 20 countries whose views have been compiled in the document, 15 also favor including encrypted communication under the scope of the law. Many of them identified encrypted messaging services as the primary channel for dissemination of CSEM and recommended that the final law should include clear wording to make sure companies comply.

Some countries, including Denmark, Ireland, and the Netherlands, signaled support for scanning encrypted messages, but would also add further measures to protect the end-to-end encryption of these apps from weakening. This a noble sentiment, but cybersecurity experts say it’s technically impossible to do both.

“They want to keep the security of encryption whilst being able to circumvent it … they want privacy but they also want to indiscriminately scan encrypted communications,” Ella Jakubowska, a senior policy advisor at the European Digital Rights (EDRi) said, adding that she is “unsurprised but nevertheless shocked” at some EU member states’ “really shallow understanding” of the technology they would like to regulate.

Others, such as Germany, Italy, Finland, and Estonia, were not as convinced as the majority that the benefits of being able to scan encrypted messages outweigh the potential harm of weakening the entire system and putting the user at risk of being hacked by malicious actors or prompting service providers to leave the European market.

These responses “demonstrate a more comprehensive understanding of the stakes in the CSA regulation discussions,” said Riana Pfefferkorn, a research scholar at Stanford University’s Internet Observatory. “The regulation will not only affect criminal investigations for a specific set of offenses; it affects governments’ own data security, national security, and the privacy and data protection rights of their citizens, as well as innovation and economic development.”

Incredibly stupid.
So they would open Spain's industry to espionage. Not even to speak about putting an end to democracy, because they could spy on every oppositional politician. This ban will never get through. Even if it would, masses of intellectuals would leave the EU. The same mess that happened when the Nazis started to mess around in Germany.
The EU is quite aware about member states going the Nazi route, with Hungary being it's recent blind spot, but the majority of states are actually moving to the right slowly.
 
However, that's how things go when you got too much Rioja in your blood...  Roll Eyes

I feel like something big is rumbling off in the distance.

That's just my stomach, since adding Metamucil and plant sterols to the daily regimen; takes a while for the stomach biome to adjust, from my understanding.

This getting old stuff really sucks, NGL.

Add a little Kombucha and Kimchi and really get the party started!

MSM is quite the best all-around supplement, imo.
You gotta be careful with the dosing, start small, raise gradually. Also make sure you get good quality stuff, there are notable differences.
When i once tried the recommended dose of 2g right from the start i had a hell of a day. Massive bloating, rumbling (not the distant type), farting and intense headache.
It does wonders to the gut and mucous membranes in general.
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as long as I get to choose the drugs..

Government-issued LSD in the water supply and mandatory weed-burning flare stacks in every neighborhood.
Let's make the dream happen. 

I am too delicate for that level of shenanigans. 

I will stick to my mild homemade tincture.   
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The nature of my existence means nothing if it is held in check by drugged water and food.

as long as I get to choose the drugs..

Government-issued LSD in the water supply and mandatory weed-burning flare stacks in every neighborhood.
Let's make the dream happen. 

I am too delicate for that level of shenanigans. 

I will stick to my mild homemade tincture.   

My little recent experiment, which turned into a routine, pretty much convinced me about microdosing.
So, to keep the people satisfied, it wouldn't be the worst idea to set off the fluoride and add little amounts of psilocybine or LSD.
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The nature of my existence means nothing if it is held in check by drugged water and food.

as long as I get to choose the drugs..

Government-issued LSD in the water supply and mandatory weed-burning flare stacks in every neighborhood.
Let's make the dream happen.  

I am too delicate for that level of shenanigans.  

I will stick to my mild homemade tincture.    

My little recent experiment, which turned into a routine, pretty much convinced me about microdosing.
So, to keep the people satisfied, it wouldn't be the worst idea to set off the fluoride and add little amounts of psilocybine or LSD.


Umm, I take it that it's common practice for many here to use mind-altering drugs...  Shocked
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The nature of my existence means nothing if it is held in check by drugged water and food.

as long as I get to choose the drugs..

Government-issued LSD in the water supply and mandatory weed-burning flare stacks in every neighborhood.
Let's make the dream happen.  

I am too delicate for that level of shenanigans.  

I will stick to my mild homemade tincture.    

My little recent experiment, which turned into a routine, pretty much convinced me about microdosing.
So, to keep the people satisfied, it wouldn't be the worst idea to set off the fluoride and add little amounts of psilocybine or LSD.


Umm, I take it that it's common practice for many here to use mind-altering drugs...  Shocked

Well, of course, don't you? I am having a cup of coffee that I just brewed from beans that I roasted myself. Right now, last night, I had a glass of white wine. I have to be careful with that, though. Too much alcohol is not good for me.

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Government-issued LSD in the water supply and mandatory weed-burning flare stacks in every neighborhood.
Let's make the dream happen. 
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I am having a cup of coffee that I just brewed from beans that I roasted myself. Right now, last night, I had a glass of white wine. I have to be careful with that, though. Too much alcohol is not good for me.

There's nothing wrong with recreational/educational drugs.

Just stay away from dangerous addictive drugs like opioids, tobacco, benzodiazepines, cocaine, barbiturates etc., except in emergencies.
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