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NotLambchop
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November 22, 2014, 02:49:06 AM |
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shmadz
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November 22, 2014, 02:51:30 AM |
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... Yeah, fonsie, if it once was a good store of value, it's a good store of value now. Because things never change and always stay the same ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs11.postimg.org%2Fvojvzqyw3%2Fjimjones.jpg&t=665&c=ZZ2tGU_Mb-1LtA) Are you really that stupid? Because it is at this very moment more in dollar value than it was in 2009, it is indeed a good store of value NOW, it however doesn't guarantee it will be tomorrow. We'll have to wait 24 hours to know that. Yeah, a long time ago it was a store of value, but for the past year has been a huge bag of dicks. Such a simple notion, why do you find it so difficult to understand? Sorry lambsy, gotta call you on this one. The US dollar has been losing value consistently since the inception of the federal reserve. Bitcoin is just taking a bit of a breather after an overheated speculation bubble. The overall trend remains. Fiat is *designed* to lose value over time. That's what discourages hoarding and encourages investing. Who but in idiot would invest in a business that earns 10% a year, when one could get more by simply keeping his money in a mattress? (The Bitcoiner's Dream) Fiat is not intended to be a good store of value.
Regardless of Bitcoin's claim to be a good store of value, over the last year Bitcoin has really been losing it--even when measured in USD! And since we both agree that fiat is utter shit store of value, how shit does that make Bitcoin?
And bitcoin is designed to gain or retain value over time. Nice try, but I know you're only pretending.
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NotLambchop
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November 22, 2014, 02:54:50 AM |
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... And bitcoin is designed to gain or retain value over time. ...
My point exactly. Designed to maintain value over time, loses it like a boss.
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November 22, 2014, 03:01:11 AM |
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November 22, 2014, 03:04:48 AM |
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Bitcoin is simply a mechanism to allow transparency.
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November 22, 2014, 03:07:30 AM |
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Fiat is *designed* to lose value over time. That's what discourages hoarding and encourages investing. Who but in idiot would invest in a business that earns 10% a year, when one could get more by simply keeping his money in a mattress? (The Bitcoiner's Dream) Fiat is not intended to be a good store of value.
Regardless of Bitcoin's claim to be a good store of value, over the last year Bitcoin has really been losing it--even when measured in USD! And since we both agree that fiat is utter shit store of value, how shit does that make Bitcoin?
how does one save if one is always forced to speculate on the market, or are 10% profits guaranteed every year? oh yes I forgot they are, and the poor suckers at the bottom who earn those inflating dollars last pay the highest price, gosh I love systems that propagate poverty.
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NotLambchop
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November 22, 2014, 03:13:06 AM |
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Fiat is *designed* to lose value over time. That's what discourages hoarding and encourages investing. Who but in idiot would invest in a business that earns 10% a year, when one could get more by simply keeping his money in a mattress? (The Bitcoiner's Dream) Fiat is not intended to be a good store of value.
Regardless of Bitcoin's claim to be a good store of value, over the last year Bitcoin has really been losing it--even when measured in USD! And since we both agree that fiat is utter shit store of value, how shit does that make Bitcoin?
how does one save if one is always forced to speculate on the market, or are 10% profits guaranteed every year? oh yes I forgot they are, and the poor suckers at the bottom who earn those inflating dollars last pay the highest price, gosh I love systems that propagate poverty. What makes you think you're entitled to hoard while others starve? The "poor suckers" live from paycheck to paycheck (if that), there's no excess to "save." It's the sorta-rich fuckers who bitch about inflation and taxes. But guess what, rich wannabe? The real rich are smarter and shrewder than you, I'm afraid you'll have to resign yourself to a life of mediocrity ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif)
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mymenace
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November 22, 2014, 03:32:48 AM |
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Fiat is *designed* to lose value over time. That's what discourages hoarding and encourages investing. Who but in idiot would invest in a business that earns 10% a year, when one could get more by simply keeping his money in a mattress? (The Bitcoiner's Dream) Fiat is not intended to be a good store of value.
Regardless of Bitcoin's claim to be a good store of value, over the last year Bitcoin has really been losing it--even when measured in USD! And since we both agree that fiat is utter shit store of value, how shit does that make Bitcoin?
how does one save if one is always forced to speculate on the market, or are 10% profits guaranteed every year? oh yes I forgot they are, and the poor suckers at the bottom who earn those inflating dollars last pay the highest price, gosh I love systems that propagate poverty. What makes you think you're entitled to hoard while others starve? The "poor suckers" live from paycheck to paycheck (if that), there's no excess to "save." It's the sorta-rich fuckers who bitch about inflation and taxes. But guess what, rich wannabe? The real rich are smarter and shrewder than you, I'm afraid you'll have to resign yourself to a life of mediocrity ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) what is forex trading? bitcoin shit store of value that means the initial investment 4 years ago is crap is 4 years a good short term investment?
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JorgeStolfi
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November 22, 2014, 03:46:21 AM |
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how does one save if one is always forced to speculate on the market, or are 10% profits guaranteed every year?
There is no recipe for immortality, no monument that will neer become a ruin, no cellphone battery that will last forever. No store of value is totally risk- and loss-free, including bitcoin. Life just sucks. Bitcoin wasn't even designed to be such a thing: "non-inflationary", in the technical sense of having a fixed money supply, does not guarantee preservation of value. The best you can do is invest in things that actually produce valuable goods or services, such as stocks of solid companies, or real estate that you can rent. Then you do not need to speculate; even if you hold the thing for decades, you may get the ful value of your investment back, and some more. But of course you may have bad luck and stock on some Enron or WorldCom. That risk is increased if you are too greedy, and look for higher returns rather than solidity. You must keep watch, and be ready to switch if it seems that the company is faltering. You can also invest indirectly in investment funds, and trade some of the returns for the convenience and risk reduction.
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ChartBuddy
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November 22, 2014, 04:01:12 AM |
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November 22, 2014, 04:03:35 AM Last edit: November 22, 2014, 04:38:06 AM by noobtrader |
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how does one save if one is always forced to speculate on the market, or are 10% profits guaranteed every year?
There is no recipe for immortality, no monument that will neer become a ruin, no cellphone battery that will last forever. No store of value is totally risk- and loss-free, including bitcoin. Life just sucks. Bitcoin wasn't even designed to be such a thing: "non-inflationary", in the technical sense of having a fixed money supply, does not guarantee preservation of value. The best you can do is invest in things that actually produce valuable goods or services, such as stocks of solid companies, or real estate that you can rent. Then you do not need to speculate; even if you hold the thing for decades, you may get the ful value of your investment back, and some more. But of course you may have bad luck and stock on some Enron or WorldCom. That risk is increased if you are too greedy, and look for higher returns rather than solidity. You must keep watch, and be ready to switch if it seems that the company is faltering. You can also invest indirectly in investment funds, and trade some of the returns for the convenience and risk reduction. or...... you can buy bitcoin and put it on swap @ bitfinex and receive yield just like stock and it will be ultra risky and ultra reward type of investment... BTW : next event, FBI sales of bitcorn and black friday... bearish to 300 ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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November 22, 2014, 04:50:39 AM |
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how does one save if one is always forced to speculate on the market, or are 10% profits guaranteed every year?
There is no recipe for immortality, no monument that will neer become a ruin, no cellphone battery that will last forever. No store of value is totally risk- and loss-free, including bitcoin. Life just sucks. Bitcoin wasn't even designed to be such a thing: "non-inflationary", in the technical sense of having a fixed money supply, does not guarantee preservation of value. The best you can do is invest in things that actually produce valuable goods or services, such as stocks of solid companies, or real estate that you can rent. Then you do not need to speculate; even if you hold the thing for decades, you may get the ful value of your investment back, and some more. But of course you may have bad luck and stock on some Enron or WorldCom. That risk is increased if you are too greedy, and look for higher returns rather than solidity. You must keep watch, and be ready to switch if it seems that the company is faltering. You can also invest indirectly in investment funds, and trade some of the returns for the convenience and risk reduction. or you can have a crazed monkey fling darts at a dartboard and pick your stocks and investments that way..... just sayin
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November 22, 2014, 04:53:09 AM |
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I don't think it would be realistic to run the full blockchain on a phone so the kind of wallet he is thinking of would have to talk back to a version of the bitcoin client running on a computer you control. I suspect this one, like Mycelium, talks to a server hosting the blockchain. (Though with Mycelium, at least, the transaction signing does occur on the phone so it should be safe for certain values of safe)
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November 22, 2014, 05:01:10 AM |
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Richy_T
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November 22, 2014, 05:21:06 AM |
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The best you can do is invest in things that actually produce valuable goods or services, such as stocks of solid companies, or real estate that you can rent. Not even that. The presses have been running and these things are in a bubble (in the case of real estate, still in a bubble since the last one was not allowed to deflate as was needed). There is really no great place to put money right now. Possibly food & ammunition.
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November 22, 2014, 05:25:21 AM |
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I don't think it would be realistic to run the full blockchain on a phone so the kind of wallet he is thinking of would have to talk back to a version of the bitcoin client running on a computer you control. I suspect this one, like Mycelium, talks to a server hosting the blockchain. (Though with Mycelium, at least, the transaction signing does occur on the phone so it should be safe for certain values of safe) https://www.circle.comhttp://www.coindesk.com/circle-launches-mobile-apps-ios-android/US only at the moment and the best thing is your btc is insured
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November 22, 2014, 05:46:57 AM |
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I don't think it would be realistic to run the full blockchain on a phone so the kind of wallet he is thinking of would have to talk back to a version of the bitcoin client running on a computer you control. I suspect this one, like Mycelium, talks to a server hosting the blockchain. (Though with Mycelium, at least, the transaction signing does occur on the phone so it should be safe for certain values of safe) Yes, I checked the linked software. It seems to be a web wallet with an offline GUI. Does the Android version of Mycelium work the same way as the PC version? @mymenace - This is not even in the ballpark.
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November 22, 2014, 05:50:06 AM |
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Nice morning bullish spike on Houbi. By the time I get up later it'll be interesting to see which way the wind is blowing here.
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