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March 06, 2017, 10:17:05 AM
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...Why not just set a future block and use that date to determine all SPR balances (ignoring all transactions after the selected block height) and have people sign their addresses to prove ownership and claim?
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I too was thinking about a block height cut off.

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March 06, 2017, 12:09:25 PM
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March 06, 2017, 12:44:34 PM
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We've secured a few social media domains, but are there any specific ones you would like us to add?

Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, r/ are done.

As helium is a very unique brand within payments, the network can be very aggressive if wants to be in pursuing anyone that attempts to cyber squat or ripoff the brand.

Some people won't like that we're thinking about social media - but over the next few years, that's where average Joe public spend their time. The network can decide on these things much later on. Let's just think about securing some channels first so we don't have to worry about chasing down cyber squatters.

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We've secured a few social media domains, but are there any specific ones you would like to us add?

Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, r/ are done.

As helium is a very unique brand within payments, the network can be very aggressive if wants to be in pursuing anyone that attempts to cyber squat or ripoff the brand.

Some people won't like that we're thinking about social media - but over the next few years, that's where average Joe public spend their time. The network can decide on this things much later on. Let's just think about securing some channels first.

Apart from Pornhub, I think you've covered all your bases.
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We've secured a few social media domains, but are there any specific ones you would like us to add?

Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, r/ are done.

As helium is a very unique brand within payments, the network can be very aggressive if wants to be in pursuing anyone that attempts to cyber squat or ripoff the brand.

Some people won't like that we're thinking about social media - but over the next few years, that's where average Joe public spend their time. The network can decide on these things much later on. Let's just think about securing some channels first so we don't have to worry about chasing down cyber squatters.

You should have a presence on Steemit.
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March 06, 2017, 07:20:51 PM
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We are just going in a different direction to SPR. All the development currently within SPR has a two year history but we've reached the point of divergence. The two projects have different paths, but they will still both exist.

Just to clarify, I do understand that SPR development will be continuing.  I wasn't suggesting a burn of SPR in the sense that HLM would be replacing it.  After all, even if all but 1 SPR were to be burned, the blockchain will continue chugging along.

The point of my idea was not to harm SPR at the expense of HLM.  I felt my idea was mutually beneficially for both coins, and in a strictly economic sense it almost certainly is but......

Also not in favor of burning spr to obtain hlm. it introduces competition from the onset between the two projects and effectively divides a community.

This did come to mind.  Many of us get so caught up in the technical stuff around here that we forget a strong community is just as important, maybe even more important, to the success of a coin.  Perhaps shaky and wild SPR/HLM markets in the short to medium term are a small price to pay to ensure the entire SPR community can participate in this.

Why not just set a future block and use that date to determine all SPR balances (ignoring all transactions after the selected block height) and have people sign their addresses to prove ownership and claim?

This requires manual work but latecomers could claim as well because it's clear to prove past balances.


A full snapshot would probably be the best solution but what would happen to exchange addresses with lot of coins?

But with manual swap the devs would have to also hold a huge amount of coins waiting for swap which some might dislike.

Yet another reason I dislike the idea of a manual swap.  The escrow will be holding massive amounts of coins for a very long time.  He maybe a "trusted" escrow but trust only extends so far when it comes to anonymous BTCtalk accounts and serious amounts of money.  I'm just going to pull some numbers out of my ass to illustrate my point but what if HLM pumps to a $10 million USD marketcap one day, and the escrow is still holding like 20% of the coins?  Are we going to trust the escrow with $2 million USD worth of coins?  What if he goes rouge?  What if he dies in a freak accident?  What if his computer gets hacked?  If you were a serious investor just hearing about HLM at this point, would you want to invest anything more than chump change with all these "what ifs"?

Just in case we need yet ANOTHER reason to illustrate why a manual swap is an unworkable idea, I was just looking at the SPR rich list on the block explorer.  https://chainz.cryptoid.info/spr/#!rich

The top 1000 addresses hold 6,985,424 SPR, 92.05 % of the current supply.  The entire 7,589,015 SPR coinbase, 100% of the supply, is held in 105286 different addresses.  Plenty of those addresses represent lost coins, dust, coins that will never participate in the swap, etc. but it is still reasonable to assume that by the time the swap is done the escrow would need to manually process thousands upon thousands of transactions.  Does the escrow really understand just what a pain in the ass this is gonna be?  A year from now, he will still be manually processing 50 SPR transactions from nickel and dime traders who find an old wallet on their laptop.

A manual swap without a snapshot won't work (will be massively abused).  A manual swap where the SPR holder has to send his coins to the escrow won't work (exchanges WON'T participate and even individual SPR holders maybe leery of it).  A manual swap where individuals need to sign their addresses won't work because it could potentially include 105286 different addresses!  Exchanges also won't participate in this scenario.  Bittrex is not going to have someone spend hours manually signing every SPR address that belongs to them.

No one wants to do a burn.  A manual swap is not a workable solution.  At the end of the day, you are going to have to copy the CLAMS/Byteball model for distributing coins if you want to do this right.

You're my kind of community member. Ready to pitch in ideas and make the effort to explain your view.

Thanks.  I've always thought of myself as an "idea man"  Basically means I have no technical skills and can't create anything on my own, but I am good at telling other people what they should do and criticizing their work.   Tongue Grin

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March 06, 2017, 11:42:34 PM
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We've secured a few social media domains, but are there any specific ones you would like to us add?

Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, r/ are done.

As helium is a very unique brand within payments, the network can be very aggressive if wants to be in pursuing anyone that attempts to cyber squat or ripoff the brand.

Some people won't like that we're thinking about social media - but over the next few years, that's where average Joe public spend their time. The network can decide on this things much later on. Let's just think about securing some channels first.

Apart from Pornhub, I think you've covered all your bases.

LMFAO  Grin

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March 06, 2017, 11:55:19 PM
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not enough info dev.
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March 07, 2017, 11:50:02 AM
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Before anyone starts to think of names for individual units of helium (like, an atom or something), please don't.

Wait for the announcements on the patents first. You'll get a better idea of the whole picture and then we might open things up on that front.

You'll also see why copying an idea doesn't always workout if you haven't invested time, effort and experience into the idea creation in the first place. You only see the tip of the iceberg and you have no comprehension of how deep or broad the idea is below the surface.

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March 07, 2017, 02:24:29 PM
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Before anyone starts to think of names for individual units of helium (like, an atom or something), please don't.

Wait for the announcements on the patents first. You'll get a better idea of the whole picture and then we might open things up on that front.

You'll also see why copying an idea doesn't always workout if you haven't invested time, effort and experience into the idea creation in the first place. You only see the tip of the iceberg and you have no comprehension of how deep or broad the idea is below the surface.

Like in life, and in every serious human activity, it' just just visible the tip of the iceberg. What people should realize is the presence of the other 90%, that allows the first to stand above the waves.

Fair winds to you guys Wink
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March 07, 2017, 08:19:34 PM
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Preliminary rolling road map added to the OP.

The OP will carry a rolled up summary. The activities are one level down. For example, our initial effort will be on updating white papers and securing some defensive intellectual property (we'll give due respect to open source).



The upfront focus on IPR allows us to work on building what will give the project value without looking over our shoulder every five minutes that someone is copying our ideas and getting the credit, the value and attracting extra good quality dev support.


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Preliminary rolling road map added to the OP.

The OP will carry a rolled up summary. The activities are one level down. For example, our initial effort will be on updating white papers and securing some defensive intellectual property (we'll give due respect to open source).



The upfront focus on IPR allows us to work on building what will give the project value without looking over our shoulder every five minutes that someone is copying our ideas and getting the credit, the value and attracting extra good quality dev support.



we are ready when you are ...

unless carried off to another project - we will make sure there is time before full release of hlm ...

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Preliminary rolling road map added to the OP.

The OP will carry a rolled up summary. The activities are one level down. For example, our initial effort will be on updating white papers and securing some defensive intellectual property (we'll give due respect to open source).



The upfront focus on IPR allows us to work on building what will give the project value without looking over our shoulder every five minutes that someone is copying our ideas and getting the credit, the value and attracting extra good quality dev support.



we are ready when you are ...

unless carried off to another project - we will make sure there is time before full release of hlm ...

#crysx

Great, we'll add you into the OP as discussed.

I'll also give you a copy of the more detailed launch timetable over the weekend.

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March 08, 2017, 08:30:34 AM
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Preliminary rolling road map added to the OP.

The OP will carry a rolled up summary. The activities are one level down. For example, our initial effort will be on updating white papers and securing some defensive intellectual property (we'll give due respect to open source).



The upfront focus on IPR allows us to work on building what will give the project value without looking over our shoulder every five minutes that someone is copying our ideas and getting the credit, the value and attracting extra good quality dev support.



we are ready when you are ...

unless carried off to another project - we will make sure there is time before full release of hlm ...

#crysx

Great, we'll add you into the OP as discussed.

I'll also give you a copy of the more detailed launch timetable over the weekend.

very much appreciated ...

there are a few things that are changing here also ...

as the ownership and 'business adoption' of chainworks industries is becoming more and more integrated - ill be more and more in the 'background' though always working with you ...

the business side of cwi will soon be making his presence known - and it will all be about working together ...

weekend will be good anyway mate ...

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March 09, 2017, 03:23:07 AM
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just a shout out from a lowly spread miner.
your post history on the spread thread piqued my interest even tho i never mentioned
your service nodes concept, probably because it was way beyond my thinking.(and still is, but i'm workin on it)
I suppose I was more interested in mining spread and calling out isis assholes polluting the thread.
 anyway good luck with this project my friend.
I'm watching with keen interest.

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We should be able to release a draft of the service node white paper over the weekend.

Just waiting for a security certificate to be issued for the website.

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March 09, 2017, 10:16:52 AM
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I want to HELIUM bounty campaign sir
accept please
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We should be able to release a draft of the service node white paper over the weekend.

Just waiting for a security certificate to be issued for the website.

Want to have a look at the whitepaper Smiley how many members in your team?
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March 09, 2017, 02:45:24 PM
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I want to HELIUM bounty campaign sir
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In the coming weeks we will be giving information on ways the community can get involved with Helium.

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Decentralized exchange is not the best goal for launching project. I do not think that you will succeed.

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