Police State?

[Anon136]

Stick to the facts, let's not speculate.

I dont suppose you are willing to apply this same rigor and skepticism to the official state sponsored 911 conspiracy theory are you?

[Mike Christ]

Fox news!

[Viceroy]

Stick to the facts, let's not speculate.

I dont suppose you are willing to apply this same rigor and skepticism to the official 911 conspiracy theory are you?

Sure am.  Seen all the conspiracy stuff and I believe the buildings fell due to the planes hitting them.  I saw that horrific event on live TV too, for what it's worth.

Fox news!

Listen to him everybody, he wants to be heard and he acts as if he has something to say.  From this amazing post we learn that he must think I watch Fox news.  "and The Associated Press contributed to this report".   And hilarity ensued.

[myrkul]

I don't have to define anything.  I saw it on live TV.  


"On Thursday night, hours after the radicalized Muslims were fingered by the FBI and their images circulated around the world, they killed a Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer and carjacked an SUV from a man who later escaped. The brothers led police on a chase through city streets that included a wild shootout that saw some 200 shots fired and the suspects hurling pipe bombs from the SUV. Bizarrely, police discounted earlier reports that the brothers had robbed a 7/11, saying although it had been robbed, and they had been caught on surveillance video, they were not the robbers."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/20/second-boston-bombing-suspect-in-custody/


The above is a record of facts along with some speculation thrown in for good measure.

But no mention of the pip-bombs. I'm still wondering what they are. Must be mighty destructive, to warrant tanks.

[Viceroy]

But no mention of the pip-bombs. I'm still wondering what they are. Must be mighty destructive, to warrant tanks.

" the suspects hurling pipe bombs from the SUV"

Are you fucking blind or just retarded?  

[pekv2]

But no mention of the pip-bombs. I'm still wondering what they are. Must be mighty destructive, to warrant tanks.

" the suspects hurling pipe bombs from the SUV"

Are you fucking blind or just retarded?  

Was this a government issued SUV with government plates?

[Viceroy]

Was this a government issued SUV with government plates?

Gee, I don't think so.. but thanks for asking.  You know I've never had to ignore anyone in these forums but I'm having a hard time finding any value in the contributions of a few of you.

[pekv2]

Was this a government issued SUV with government plates?

Jee, I don't think so.. but thanks for asking.

Then, how the fuck would you know?

[myrkul]

But no mention of the pip-bombs. I'm still wondering what they are. Must be mighty destructive, to warrant tanks.

" the suspects hurling pipe bombs from the SUV"

Are you fucking blind or just retarded?  

Yes, I see that, but still no mention of pip-bombs, nor have you yet told me what they are.

[pekv2]

Was this a government issued SUV with government plates?

Gee, I don't think so.. but thanks for asking.  You know I've never had to ignore anyone in these forums but I'm having a hard time finding any value in the contributions of a few of you.

Quoted

[Viceroy]

Then, how the fuck would you know?

How would I know what?

[Viceroy]

Yes, I see that, but still no mention of pip-bombs, nor have you yet told me what they are.

And... Ignored.   

[pekv2]

Then, how the fuck would you know?

How would I know what?

You tell me.

[pekv2]

Yes, I see that, but still no mention of pip-bombs, nor have you yet told me what they are.

And... Ignored.   

Quoted .

[Viceroy]

Then, how the fuck would you know?

How would I know what?

You tell me.

I did. 

How would I know what?  What witnesses and the press wrote?  Because I read it.  In the absence of anything else I tend to gravitate toward that which exists rather than that which people might imagine.

Not sure what country you live in but here in America the press is a powerful tool that fairly disseminates information to the masses, though it can show bias.

[pekv2]

Then, how the fuck would you know?

How would I know what?

You tell me.

I did. 

Did what?

USA is still a police state, so what are you blabbering about?

[myrkul]

Yes, I see that, but still no mention of pip-bombs, nor have you yet told me what they are.

And... Ignored. 

I see. So you claim that they were dropping these "pip-bombs," which warranted tanks, then you refuse to tell me what they are to back up your claim, instead blathering on about pipe bombs, which is all the news story you quoted mentioned, either. And now, you're ignoring me because I expect you to back up, or at least explain, your claims?

Good idea. If you can't see the fnords, they can't hurt you.

[Anon136]

Stick to the facts, let's not speculate.

I dont suppose you are willing to apply this same rigor and skepticism to the official 911 conspiracy theory are you?

Sure am.  Seen all the conspiracy stuff and I believe the buildings fell due to the planes hitting them.  I saw that horrific event on live TV too, for what it's worth.

Fox news!

Listen to him everybody, he wants to be heard and he acts as if he has something to say.  From this amazing post we learn that he must think I watch Fox news.  "and The Associated Press contributed to this report".   And hilarity ensued.

No one said anything about the buildings not being brought down by the planes that clearly hit them. What i asked was whether you had applied the same rigor to this story

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.

The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.

The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.

The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.

NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7′s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety“.

The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.

This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention, and if you say otherwise you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise him, him, him, and her. (and her and her and him).

Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

as you had some of the equally wacky stories proposed by the non main stream conspiracy theorists

[Viceroy]

myrkul - This user is currently ignored.

USA is still a police state, so what are you blabbering about?

You are entitled to your opinion.  As I said we in America like to say opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.  The USA is not a police state, though.  If it were the DEA would be smashing the doors down of all 500 state regulated marijuana dispensaries.  They are not because Colorado is experimenting with Democracy and the Fed will not interfere. (Evidenced by four years of non-intervention by the DEA in our heavily regulated state industry which is federally and internationally illegal).


Onto more silliness:

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop

Sorry, but I asked to stick to facts.  I can't get past the first sentence of this non-sense.  There is not now nor was there ever ANY indication that UBL "directed" this operation.  Unless you mean he listened to a plan some idiots brought him and he gave the plan his blessing while in a cave.

Facts or it didn't happen.

sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world

Yea, sure that's what happened... uh huh.  This description remains with Perl Harbor NOT 911.  Hijacking a plane is NOT "penetration" of the airspace.  ("cookoo, cookoo")

[Anon136]

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop

Sorry, but I asked to stick to facts.  I can't get past the first sentence of this non-sense.  There is not now nor was there ever ANY indication that UBL "directed" this operation.  Unless you mean he listened to a plan some idiots brought him and he gave the plan his blessing while in a cave.

Facts or it didn't happen.

I find this to be a fairly accurate representation of the official narrative. If you are trying to argue against me by saying that the official narative is false than you are not arguing against me at all, you are on my side. Or are you trying to say that this is not the narrative that has been told by the mainstream media to the vast majority of Americans?