Bitcoin Island/City and More

[tvbcof]

'your freedom to swing your fist stops where my nose starts.'

a) that isnt a definition
b) you cant use the word you are defining in its own definition

Most people who are capable of independent philosophical thought will have no trouble understanding exactly what that statement means and mapping it to almost any real life scenario.

What it means is that I have no trouble with you taking any action (or in-action) you desire as long as it does not negatively effect others without their knowledge and consent.  If you want more 'freedom' than that, you are being selfish to the extent that you'll likely be feeling a back-lash.

I've got even less sympathy for religious or politically correct control freaks than I do Libertarians.  These people have some psychological issues which materially impact the freedom of others.

[1713309950]

1713309950

[BTCLuke]

I've got even less sympathy for religious or politically correct control freaks than I do Libertarians.  These people have some psychological issues which materially impact the freedom of others.

Yay! Some common ground.

Alright. Since we agree that some citizens will try to use the state as a weapon of sorts against the rest of the people who just want to mind their own business, then it shouldn't be hard for you to accept the libertarian point of view.

Clearly a minority can get into, or bribe their way into a position of power in any "democratic" government that exists today, agreed?

Knowing that, can you at least agree that making the state smaller or less powerful is a way to protect the majority from unfair harm and loss of freedoms?

[Anon136]

'your freedom to swing your fist stops where my nose starts.'

a) that isnt a definition
b) you cant use the word you are defining in its own definition

If you want more 'freedom' than that, you are being selfish to the extent that you'll likely be feeling a back-lash.

this statment is an admission that the scope of the definition of the word is greater than just situations where you are not imposing undue costs on other individuals =D

though i do understand what you are saying and totally agree with the sentiment. it is the cornerstone of libertarian theory 

[tvbcof]

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though i do understand what you are saying and totally agree with the sentiment. it is the cornerstone of libertarian theory 

Although I've not studied it extensively, I find much to agree with in Libertarian theory (and plenty to disagree with as well, to be fair.) 

My biggest issue is that I find theory and practice often diverge.  Of course this is not unique to Libertarians, but it seems to me more pronounced with this group than with many others.  It may well be an artifact of your being particularly keen to expound on theory however.

[TomUnderSea]

<snip>
I feel New Mexico would be the best place to start something like this for a few reasons:

1. Billy the Kid ran out the Illuminati by starting a war against the corrupt "Justice System" where the people were literally shooting at cops.

<snip>

Don't you think the Illuminati might return if they see you building a community designed to overthrow them?

[lophie]

And I thought this thread to be a rally encouraging people to offer services and goods strictly for bitcoins and at a discount, As well as encouraging people to spend the coins instead of selling them on the market and asking the bitcoin community about what they need to cashout of Bitcoin to buy so the community can try to provide them for coins directly instead, maybe at a discount as well.

sigh....

[TomUnderSea]

First we're going to need girls. 1/10 or less girl population doesn't sound really good.

"Build it and they will come" suddenly has a seamy connotation.

[tvbcof]

First we're going to need girls. 1/10 or less girl population doesn't sound really good.

"Build it and they will come" suddenly has a seamy connotation.

I wouldn't hold your breath for real live women to come.  Might I suggest inflatable women?  That way if one needed to get off the island one could lash their harem together to fashion a raft...and as a bonus, have a way to kill time the long float.

[lophie]

Grats your island/city just went under $95 per BTC

[TomUnderSea]

First we're going to need girls. 1/10 or less girl population doesn't sound really good.

"Build it and they will come" suddenly has a seamy connotation.

I wouldn't hold your breath for real live women to come.  Might I suggest inflatable women?  That way if one needed to get off the island one could lash their harem together to fashion a raft...and as a bonus, have a way to kill time the long float.

I would expect real men to get inflatable sheep.

[benjamindees]

Since it seems the majority of those interested have little or no money, I have spent the last several weeks working to make Bitcoin Island more accessible.  The logistics of settling an island are daunting, but with a little cooperation, some cost-effective technologies and hard work, it can be accomplished.

So I've created a new path to Bitcoin Island for those of you without 300 BTC.  I'm still not sure how much it will be, exactly.  Likely at least 100 BTC in total.  The number of openings will be limited.  And there will be lots of work involved as well.  But, if you might be interested, the first step is to join us in participating in a boot camp to help test and develop the necessary technologies to make it happen:

Bitcoin Island Boot Camp

[franky1]

Since it seems the majority of those interested have little or no money, I have spent the last several weeks working to make Bitcoin Island more accessible.  The logistics of settling an island are daunting, but with a little cooperation, some cost-effective technologies and hard work, it can be accomplished.

So I've created a new path to Bitcoin Island for those of you without 300 BTC.  I'm still not sure how much it will be, exactly.  Likely at least 100 BTC in total.  The number of openings will be limited.  And there will be lots of work involved as well.  But, if you might be interested, the first step is to join us in participating in a boot camp to help test and develop the necessary technologies to make it happen:

Bitcoin Island Boot Camp

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because he cant con people for 300BTC in one go, he now only wants 3btc out of people. i have personally asked him on several occassions what his knowledge and experience is of these area's:
real estate
construction
utility companies
leadership skills
permits and laws related to the above listings

which can all be followed here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238628.0

[benjamindees]

franky1,

I can assure you that my primary motivation is to give the half of potential Bitcoin Islanders without 300 BTC an opportunity not to have to deal with "investors" such as yourself.

[franky1]

franky1,

I can assure you that my primary motivation is to give the half of potential Bitcoin Islanders without 300 BTC an opportunity not to have to deal with "investors" such as yourself.

again ignoring the knowledge and experience questions..

but to answer your point. by ANYONE giving you 300BTC they are investing into you.........................

so everyone wanting to buy into utopia is an investor.. just like people that buy homes.. its an investment into their future, even if they live in that home for 50 years

now please answer the questions for the benefit of all your future 3BTC -300BTC investors:
what is your knowledge and experience of these area's:
real estate
construction
utility companies
leadership skills
permits and laws related to the above listings

handing over money to strangers that want to remain strangers should only occur when illegal items are traded (ie silk road), yet i am not asking for your home address, social security number. i only request basic information about your knowledge and experience to make this project even viable

[benjamindees]

Unfortunately due to the number of investors promoting competing projects, there is a limit to what I can disclose on a public forum.  I have said this already.

I'm not here to give away business plans.  I'm here to turn them into reality.  That's why it has to remain secret.

But I am offering to demonstrate my knowledge and experience vis a vis Bitcoin Island, by inviting those who wish to learn more to come to Bitcoin Island Boot Camp.

With respect to Frank here, I have even offered to waive the fee for him, as long as he agrees to sign the NDA along with everyone else:

If you can do that, and you are still interested in learning about my "knowledge and experience," then I'll invite you to sign a non-disclosure agreement and come to the Boot Camp and learn all about it.  I'll even waive the 3 BTC admittance, just for you.

Hopefully he will consider this offer carefully, recognize just how irrelevant his questions are, and stop spamming the thread.

[franky1]

Unfortunately due to the number of investors promoting competing projects, there is a limit to what I can disclose on a public forum.  I have said this already.

I'm not here to give away business plans.  I'm here to turn them into reality.  That's why it has to remain secret.

But I am offering to demonstrate my knowledge and experience vis a vis Bitcoin Island, by inviting those who wish to learn more to come to Bitcoin Island Boot Camp.

With respect to Frank here, I have even offered to waive the fee for him, as long as he agrees to sign the NDA along with everyone else:

If you can do that, and you are still interested in learning about my "knowledge and experience," then I'll invite you to sign a non-disclosure agreement and come to the Boot Camp and learn all about it.  I'll even waive the 3 BTC admittance, just for you.

Hopefully he will consider this offer carefully, recognize just how irrelevant his questions are, and stop spamming the thread.

you waiving the fee for me does not make the request for answers any less relevant for anyone else.
you dont have to answer questions about your secret technology. just about your personal knowledge and experience in the area's required to make an island project work.

3 things an obvious ponzi/scam script requires.

1.a predefined large buy in fee with no clear description of what is being bought
2.a special technology / proven algorithm that is guaranteed to succeed
3.a NDA so that once you are in you cannot simply report to the police without risking a courtcase yourself

sound familiar??

[franky1]

ignoring the last paragraph of my last post and emphasising the questions above it

DO NOT TELL ME THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY

but please reveal:
1)who you are
2)what your knowledge is in these area's:
a)real estate
b)construction
c)utility companies
d)leadership skills
e)laws and permits required for a,b,c
f)laws and permits revolving around local eco-systems of an island (EG rare species protection)

do not answer/ignore the questions purely on the bases of me.. but on the bases of the whole community that may wish for a bitcoin island to actually exist

[maco]

Did I miss the boat? This is something I want to be apart of..

They say that luck favors the prepared.  Well it seems so, because I've been preparing for what I'm about to tell you for quite a while.  I know that many of you have been thinking about it as well.  I know you can't wait to see the new world of freedom that Bitcoin will help create.  I know you are growing impatient, discouraged even.  And I know you, some of you at least, are ready to take this step.

In just the last few weeks, it seems like the stars have aligned, to reveal an opportunity to make a huge stride towards widespread Bitcoin adoption.  It seems unbelievable, actually, that this really is happening.  Unfortunately I can't provide all of the details quite yet.  Those who have read my posts here can perhaps decipher most of them.  I have, frankly, been waiting for conditions to be right before even considering moving forward with this.  And now, it seems, they are.

I can tell you that, with the opportunity I see opening before us, we can place Bitcoin a step farther out of the reach of governments and manipulators; we can build a real, local Bitcoin economy; and we can provide the tools for others to do the same.  Furthermore, we can hugely stabilize Bitcoin's value, and erect the keystone of a global network that will ensure instant confirmation of Bitcoin transactions with minimal risk.  Basically, we can accelerate the adoption of Bitcoin.

The path laid out by Satoshi was a long one.  Perhaps he underestimated interest in Bitcoin.  Perhaps he wanted it to grow slowly for other reasons.  Whatever the reason, Bitcoin is currently hobbled by a pre-determined growth rate that relegates it to niche applications, and makes the current period of volatility longer than necessary.  Regardless, there is a way to shorten it.  But it requires some effort.

It requires determined action.  It requires several pieces to be brought into existence in a short time.  And it is a short leap of faith.  It requires us, some of us at least, to stand up and be counted as willing to disrupt our lives, to sacrifice perhaps, in order to ensure monetary freedom for ourselves, and for the entire world.

I have studied and considered this for so long, all of the options and variables, and have to conclude that this is nothing short of the lynchpin in widespread Bitcoin adoption.  This is our best chance.  It won't be perfect.  It won't be easy.  But we will have some help along the way.  The pieces are coming together in a way that, frankly, scares me a little.

So, right now, I'm looking for a few good men (and women) to form an exploratory group.  The way forward is clear, but I can't go alone.  Honestly I have some of you picked out already.  And I'm hoping you will apply.  But we will need a few more as well.  Send me a message, here or benjamindees@yahoo.com.  Encrypt it, if you'd like (key E9F2CD78 below).  You will get a confirmation regardless.  Tell me who you are (if I won't recognize you).  Tell me why you want to join this project, what you think of Satoshi's vision for Bitcoin, and what you bring to the table.  (I should clarify that "exploratory" at this stage is not necessarily physical exploration, so please don't let that discourage anyone.)

Those who aren't chosen right now will still be first in line to participate in the larger project when the time comes.


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[benjamindees]

Did I miss the boat? This is something I want to be apart of..

Since it seems the majority of those interested have little or no money, I have spent the last several weeks working to make Bitcoin Island more accessible.  The logistics of settling an island are daunting, but with a little cooperation, some cost-effective technologies and hard work, it can be accomplished.

So I've created a new path to Bitcoin Island for those of you without 300 BTC.  I'm still not sure how much it will be, exactly.  Likely at least 100 BTC in total.  The number of openings will be limited.  And there will be lots of work involved as well.  But, if you might be interested, the first step is to join us in participating in a boot camp to help test and develop the necessary technologies to make it happen:

Bitcoin Island Boot Camp