BFL ASIC STATUS Shipped

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[Joshster]

Would you mind uploading the picture on here, don't fancy clicking that link.

[erk]

I can't even see the link, the OP is blank to me for some reason.

[Joshster]

Ah, I still don't really know why it costs 200 USD to ship one of those to the UK.

[S M I L Y]

Sweet!   0.00000000000000000001% shipped!

[nathanrees19]

But but but it's meant to be a scam! How can they ship!? The ASICs aren't real !!!

[Syke]

But but but it's meant to be a scam! How can they ship!? The ASICs aren't real !!!

So those are 4.5 GH/s USB powered Jalapenos that people ordered, or are they baited and switched to some other inferior product?

[nathanrees19]

But but but it's meant to be a scam! How can they ship!? The ASICs aren't real !!!

So those are 4.5 GH/s USB powered Jalapenos that people ordered, or are they baited and switched to some other inferior product?

Haha I knew something like this was coming. I mentioned the goalpost shifting in another thread. "It's a scam because there's no ASICs" has become "It's a scam because they missed their power targets".

[Joshster]

I want one, will dance for ASIC.

[solitude]

What about my 60 gigahash single ?

Are the people who bought singles and little singes going to have wait forever?

[Syke]

But but but it's meant to be a scam! How can they ship!? The ASICs aren't real !!!

So those are 4.5 GH/s USB powered Jalapenos that people ordered, or are they baited and switched to some other inferior product?

Haha I knew something like this was coming. I mentioned the goalpost shifting in another thread. "It's a scam because there's no ASICs" has become "It's a scam because they missed their power targets".

Nice way to downplay the bait-and-switch scam. They weren't just "targets". They were "honest abe", guaranteed, power levels. They didn't ship what they guaranteed they would ship. Classic Bait And Switch SCAM.

[CoinHoarder]

Shipped != Sitting on a cart at BFL headquarters. 

[grue]

sweet. they shipped out a whopping 9 Bitforce SCjalapenos! only 9000 units left to go.

But but but it's meant to be a scam! How can they ship!? The ASICs aren't real !!!

not sure if strawman

[erk]

But but but it's meant to be a scam! How can they ship!? The ASICs aren't real !!!

So those are 4.5 GH/s USB powered Jalapenos that people ordered, or are they baited and switched to some other inferior product?

Haha I knew something like this was coming. I mentioned the goalpost shifting in another thread. "It's a scam because there's no ASICs" has become "It's a scam because they missed their power targets".

The thing is that the original 4.5GHs unit has become 5GHs (5.3GHS actually)  and nobody gives a rats (except the critics) that it pulls 30watts. Some people care that the case is bigger, I like the cube shape myself, reminds me of the Borg.

[100%digital]

Shipped != Sitting on a cart at BFL headquarters. 

Ummmmmmmm love it. Was thinking of you as soon as I saw this thread. Ur batch 3's are gonna get slaughtered.

[CoinHoarder]

Shipped != Sitting on a cart at BFL headquarters.  

Ummmmmmmm love it. Was thinking of you as soon as I saw this thread. Ur batch 3's are gonna get slaughtered.

BFL is the least of my worries, I'm more worried about ASICMINER.

Anyways, that's why I did the whole group buy thing... less risk on my side.

If the Avalons don't make any money, I lose 7 BTC... big whoop.

Nice try tho  

You've been a hater from day 1, I wouldn't expect you to change your tone:

this is crazy. people cant give their money/btc fast enough to this guy... this has epic fail written all over it. i really hope your batch 3 shipments arrive well before bfl's 'product'

tldr; btc NEVER goes down in price, avalon batch 3 will ship long before bfl, pep's have more dollars than cents.

gl coinhorder, hope to never have to see that scammer tag under your handle...

[grue]

Shipped != Sitting on a cart at BFL headquarters. 

Ummmmmmmm love it. Was thinking of you as soon as I saw this thread. Ur batch 3's are gonna get slaughtered.

don't you mean BFL customers are going to get slaughtered by avalon batch 1, batch 2, and ASIC miner?

[sunblaster]

6 out of 33000 We should get a post going "my Order# is" and "I received on date" to estimate their manufacturing throughput. I think it would be most scientific method since they really can't commit to any concrete estimates.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html

Here is the currently estimated timeline, and while this is subject to change of course, it's pretty solid at this time. Completed items are crossed off:


Week of January 13th
Travel to packaging facility for final prep and walkthrough - Complete
Confirm travel plans and trip details with lead ASIC engineer for trip to fab - Complete

Week of January 20th
Final assembly facility prep - In progress

Week of January 26th
Leave for fab/bumping facility at the end of the week
KC facility starts assembly process of units to drop PCB into Units being prepped!

Week of February 3rd
Final chips roll off the line
Arrive at Bumping facility
Chips Bumped
Arrive California for Packaging (May spill into following week)
Chips packaged

Week of February 10th
Packaged chips sent to assembly house
Assembled PCB is set for final testing and MCU programming
Notify users to start sending their FPGA units or BTC for trade in participants
Bulk assembled PCBs arrive in KC, we start dropping PCBs into waiting units
Boxing/labeling for shipment
We implement the 1/3 shipping plan en mass
1/3 of our assembled units will go to new orders in FIFO
1/3 of our assembled units will go to upgrade orders
1/3 will be randomly selected from both groups

We descend upon the Post Office like horde of angry locust. DHL, UPS and FedEx send trucks.

Indeed, you can be sure it won't be happening again if I have anything to say about it.  The ship dates were announced before I came on board with BFL and going forward, unless I am explicitly overridden, we will not be making any shipping date commitments.  It will be Valve time from here on out if I have my way.

Looks like the PO is going to be overwhelmed by the swarm of locust.

[k9quaint]

But but but it's meant to be a scam! How can they ship!? The ASICs aren't real !!!

So those are 4.5 GH/s USB powered Jalapenos that people ordered, or are they baited and switched to some other inferior product?

Haha I knew something like this was coming. I mentioned the goalpost shifting in another thread. "It's a scam because there's no ASICs" has become "It's a scam because they missed their power targets".

The thing is that the original 4.5GHs unit has become 5GHs (5.3GHS actually)  and nobody gives a rats (except the critics) that it pulls 30watts. Some people care that the case is bigger, I like the cube shape myself, reminds me of the Borg.

You left out the most important component: the Jalapeno is 6 months late. You could have mined 50 BTC in that time with 5GH/s.

[smoothie]

lol so BFL finally is delivering bait and switch products now 7 months late.

Go for it and pat yourselves on the back BFL. LOL Big Fucking Liars.

anyone who paid with BTC in June 2012 for the MiniRig could have had $560,000 instead today had they just held BTC.

BFL has reamed their customers despite shipping "A" product that missed power specs by multiple factors and late by 6+ months.

so fail...but bask in your glory of goating BFL supporters lol. You know who you are. ROFL!


"YES WE FINALLY GET OUR PREORDERS, WHO CARES THAT WHAT I SENT BFL COULD HAVE NETTED ME MORE THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, I GET LOST OPPORTUNITY COST + BFL SHINY BRANDING TO MAKE IT UP"

 

[erk]

You left out the most important component: the Jalapeno is 6 months late. You could have mined 50 BTC in that time with 5GH/s.

Have you not heard the expression "better late than never"


A friend of mine bought a one bedroom apartment as an investment "off the plan" ie. when it was still a vacant block. He forked out hundreds of thousands of dollars sight unseen, the builders used the money to build the apparent block as expected,projected timelines were missed, it took years, but eventually it was completed, so he was happy. He could have argued that he missed out on rent for all that period it was being built. This is a pretty normal situation when you pre-order something that hasn't been built yet.

[sunblaster]

 It will be Valve time from here on out if I have my way.

Funny but Valve time is not exactly a positive indicator:

Valve Time: The expanded time Valve uses when talking about anything that will involve them working. Like a new york minute, but in reverse. The conversion factor is approximately 2-6 times whatever the stated interval is.

So its official take whatever time was announced and multiply it by 2 to 6 times.  

[witherworth]

Pics or it didn't happen (and not pics by BFL).

[r3animation]

What about my 60 gigahash single ?

Are the people who bought singles and little singes going to have wait forever?

^ +1

[sunblaster]

anyone who paid with BTC in June 2012 for the MiniRig could have had $560,000 instead today had they just held BTC.

Hang on, minirig is doesn't exist yet, last announced was case redesign for a single, then the is the big single then the minirig. I would guess minirig prototype is 4-6 months away, so by then it could be $1million dollars!

[k9quaint]

You left out the most important component: the Jalapeno is 6 months late. You could have mined 50 BTC in that time with 5GH/s.

Have you not heard the expression "better late than never"

Yep. It is indeed better than never.

A friend of mine bought a one bedroom apartment as an investment "off the plan" ie. when it was still a vacant block. He forked out hundreds of thousands of dollars sight unseen, the builders used the money to build the apparent block as expected,projected timelines were missed, it took years, but eventually it was completed, so he was happy. He could have argued that he missed out on rent for all that period it was being built. This is a pretty normal situation when you pre-order something that hasn't been built yet.

If he was going to rent out the apartment, then he did indeed miss out quite a lot of money. Years of revenue lost.
I hope your friend doesn't get ripped off like that again.

[Cluster2k]

A friend of mine bought a one bedroom apartment as an investment "off the plan" ie. when it was still a vacant block. He forked out hundreds of thousands of dollars sight unseen, the builders used the money to build the apparent block as expected,projected timelines were missed, it took years, but eventually it was completed, so he was happy. He could have argued that he missed out on rent for all that period it was being built. This is a pretty normal situation when you pre-order something that hasn't been built yet.

I bought a house, off the plan, when it was still a vacant block of land.  It was built and completed 2 months ahead of schedule.

Your friend who bought an apartment off the plan reminds me of my friend who signed up years ago to build a block of apartments through a spruiking/high pressure sales company.  They were offering to pay my friend 20% interest on money they borrowed from him and to give him a discount on an apartment.  I asked 'why doesn't the builder just go to a bank and get money much cheaper?'  *crickets*  My friend has remained very silent about the deal ever since.  I suspect the whole project fell over and my friend lost all his money. 

That's the risk one takes when preordering a product that doesn't exist yet.  Heck, if BFL fell over before my order was shipped there is nothing I can do about it.  PayPal doesn't care, BFL is in a different country and just filing papers in US courts would cost more than my order ever did.

[n4ru]

They shipped 6 units of an bait-and-switch inferior product, 6 months late, that is at least 10 times weaker than other products that have already made it to market.

The only people who will even potentially make their money back will be the first people to receive these devices.

[erk]

A friend of mine bought a one bedroom apartment as an investment "off the plan" ie. when it was still a vacant block. He forked out hundreds of thousands of dollars sight unseen, the builders used the money to build the apparent block as expected,projected timelines were missed, it took years, but eventually it was completed, so he was happy. He could have argued that he missed out on rent for all that period it was being built. This is a pretty normal situation when you pre-order something that hasn't been built yet.

I bought a house, off the plan, when it was still a vacant block of land.  It was built and completed 2 months ahead of schedule.

Your friend who bought an apartment off the plan reminds me of my friend who signed up years ago to build a block of apartments through a spruiking/high pressure sales company.  They were offering to pay my friend 20% interest on money they borrowed from him and to give him a discount on an apartment.  I asked 'why doesn't the builder just go to a bank and get money much cheaper?'  *crickets*  My friend has remained very silent about the deal ever since.  I suspect the whole project fell over and my friend lost all his money. 

That's the risk one takes when preordering a product that doesn't exist yet.  Heck, if BFL fell over before my order was shipped there is nothing I can do about it.  PayPal doesn't care, BFL is in a different country and just filing papers in US courts would cost more than my order ever did.

Typically what happens in the case of an apparentness block, the developers don't get sales as fast as they predicted, to be assured of the funds to start the project, so they wait for more sales until they have enough to feel comfortable to proceed. This is common across all sorts of industries, not just dwellings. If you have a contract that includes performance clauses then you might have some recourse for compensation, however I don't see anything like that for pre-ordering bits of electronics.

[samurai1200]

No risk, no reward.

Smoothie, why are you being so cruel to BFL customers? Was everyone screaming bloody murder that BFL was going to be 7 months late on their delivery when they were accepting BTC preorders? Everyone putting any money into any mining venture is taking a risk. Sometimes those risks don't reap rewards.

disclaimer: i haven't put any BTC into any of my mining-related activities, except maybe some stuff from cablesaurus.

[hardpick]

lol so BFL finally is delivering bait and switch products now 7 months late.

Go for it and pat yourselves on the back BFL. LOL Big Fucking Liars.

anyone who paid with BTC in June 2012 for the MiniRig could have had $560,000 instead today had they just held BTC.

BFL has reamed their customers despite shipping "A" product that missed power specs by multiple factors and late by 6+ months.

so fail...but bask in your glory of goating BFL supporters lol. You know who you are. ROFL!


"YES WE FINALLY GET OUR PREORDERS, WHO CARES THAT WHAT I SENT BFL COULD HAVE NETTED ME MORE THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, I GET LOST OPPORTUNITY COST + BFL SHINY BRANDING TO MAKE IT UP"

 

God you like to rub salt in wound .. most of us invested money in a product that is very late ---
when you make a decision some time it's good and some times it bad .  a bit like mining

[Frizz23]

1, 2, 3 ... 400! Yep, I count 400 per day as Josh said 

Hope they change the packing to something more "neutral" - otherwise those money machines will "get lost" in post offices like crazy.

[smoothie]

lol so BFL finally is delivering bait and switch products now 7 months late.

Go for it and pat yourselves on the back BFL. LOL Big Fucking Liars.

anyone who paid with BTC in June 2012 for the MiniRig could have had $560,000 instead today had they just held BTC.

BFL has reamed their customers despite shipping "A" product that missed power specs by multiple factors and late by 6+ months.

so fail...but bask in your glory of goating BFL supporters lol. You know who you are. ROFL!


"YES WE FINALLY GET OUR PREORDERS, WHO CARES THAT WHAT I SENT BFL COULD HAVE NETTED ME MORE THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, I GET LOST OPPORTUNITY COST + BFL SHINY BRANDING TO MAKE IT UP"

 

God you like to rub salt in wound .. most of us invested money in a product that is very late ---
when you make a decision some time it's good and some times it bad .  a bit like mining

Sending money to a company 5 months in advance with no due diligence (research into the feasibility of BFL being able to deliver devices like 1.5TH/s in the size of the mini rig case) is something a retarded person would do.

Most people that bought BFL preorders in June 2012 threw money at BFL without question the same day the announcement went out about their supposed products and specs.

So no, this wasn't tough to see that this "investment" was fucking stupid.

 

[erk]

Sending money to a company 5 months in advance with no due diligence (research into the feasibility of BFL being able to deliver devices like 1.5TH/s in the size of the mini rig case) is something a retarded person would do.

Most people that bought BFL preorders in June 2012 threw money at BFL without question the same day the announcement went out about their supposed products and specs.

So no, this wasn't tough to see that this "investment" was fucking stupid.

 

If you pay attention to the BFL order numbers and dates people have quoted in these forums, you would have seen that most people actually ordered between Feb and April, not the time period you claim.

[smoothie]

Sending money to a company 5 months in advance with no due diligence (research into the feasibility of BFL being able to deliver devices like 1.5TH/s in the size of the mini rig case) is something a retarded person would do.

Most people that bought BFL preorders in June 2012 threw money at BFL without question the same day the announcement went out about their supposed products and specs.

So no, this wasn't tough to see that this "investment" was fucking stupid.

 

If you pay attention to the BFL order numbers and dates people have quoted in these forums, you would have seen that most people actually ordered between Feb and April, not the time period you claim.

If you actually paid any attention you would know I wasn't referencing those suckers. Fail harder please.    LOL!

[Joshster]

I got a feeling if they keep shipping in those boxes some of them will get stolen.

[batman, not crabman]

NOOOoooo.....

I don't have my Avalon yet!

 

[smoothie]

I got a feeling if they keep shipping in those boxes some of them will get stolen.

+1 Shh don't tell them this. They may actually figure this out.

LOL

Making it obvious what they are shipping, is utterly stupid.

[Logik]

BFL Single SC Leaked Photo

[Mylon]

BFL Single SC Leaked Photo

Looks legit!

[marra]

I got a feeling if they keep shipping in those boxes some of them will get stolen.

+1 Shh don't tell them this. They may actually figure this out.

LOL

Making it obvious what they are shipping, is utterly stupid.

and unprofessional... it's all a farce, 8 units for 2 days of assembly... we still didn't see inside of the product, thermal imagining, chips inside their plastic cases mounted, proofs needed for the smart money to step in...

[Littleshop]

I got a feeling if they keep shipping in those boxes some of them will get stolen.

+1 Shh don't tell them this. They may actually figure this out.

LOL

Making it obvious what they are shipping, is utterly stupid.

and unprofessional... it's all a farce, 8 units for 2 days of assembly... we still didn't see inside of the product, thermal imagining, chips inside their plastic cases mounted, proofs needed for the smart money to step in...

Sorry, I think the demand to see thermal imaging is a little much.  More finished product videos coming from known pre-orders would be best.

[Aldur1]

So how many of these have they made now? And much more importantly when am I getting mine?!?!?!

[Joshster]

So how many of these have they made now? And much more importantly when am I getting mine?!?!?!

When did you order your unit?

[jdebunt]

ordered mine today, i know it'll take a while to ship but that's all part of the thrill isn't it?

[Aseras]

6 units, probably one for each dev, and the rest of everyone can enjoy being not special.

[Joshster]

ordered mine today, i know it'll take a while to ship but that's all part of the thrill isn't it?

Better late than never ay.

[CoinHoarder]

BFL needs to learn the definition of shipped.

I'll give them a hint... it doesn't mean having products on a cart in their office, or running a unit for Luke-Jr from a work bench in their office either.

[Rampion]

ordered mine today, i know it'll take a while to ship but that's all part of the thrill isn't it?

You will receive in June.

2014.

[BBQKorv]

Status shipped, yea right 

Where is that hundreds of units assembled per day happening if the cart has only few units to be shipped (propably to the devs etc). I would like to meet a person who is placing an order at BFL after these "shipping confirmations", it must be very easy to make him/her to believe in random rumours.

[salihno71]

...

Looks like the PO is going to be overwhelmed by the swarm of locust.

...

Too funny 

[k9quaint]

I got a feeling if they keep shipping in those boxes some of them will get stolen.

+1 Shh don't tell them this. They may actually figure this out.

LOL

Making it obvious what they are shipping, is utterly stupid.

and unprofessional... it's all a farce, 8 units for 2 days of assembly... we still didn't see inside of the product, thermal imagining, chips inside their plastic cases mounted, proofs needed for the smart money to step in...

Sorry, I think the demand to see thermal imaging is a little much.  More finished product videos coming from known pre-orders would be best.

One of the first Avalon customers to get his unit posted about 20 thermal image pics. I guess that is a lot to ask from BFL's user base though.

[RoboCoder]

Ok..

Can't believe someone hasn't said it yet..

So i will (just for fun)...

I wonder if this is more empty boxes..... (without fans this time..)

[minternj]

No ones said it because they haven't ever shipped empty boxes? Its the shipping and missing deadlines and targets thats the problem. Lot of people keep forgetting that BFL has already sold fpgas to people.

[chipd]

No ones said it because they haven't ever shipped empty boxes? Its the shipping and missing deadlines and targets thats the problem. Lot of people keep forgetting that BFL has already sold fpgas to people.

A cart in BFL HQ, with empty boxes... just as the boxes at the bottom.
They are busy moving money out from bitcoin to fiat, and needed more time not to trigger any money laundering regulations.

[minternj]

I see boxes with shipping labels. But people will see what they see. they also did say they have some on the way to devs and the devs seem to know that so 1+1 may just =2.  Of course trollfest will continue until they start shipping customer stuff(and probably farrrrr after)

[chipd]

I see boxes with shipping labels. But people will see what they see. they also did say they have some on the way to devs and the devs seem to know that so 1+1 may just =2.  Of course trollfest will continue until they start shipping customer stuff(and probably farrrrr after)

You're absolutely correct...  1+1=2 unit per day, first batch done 12/31/2014. 

[RoboCoder]

Actually i believe at least one person has already received their demo unit.  THere is a thread with the unboxing on it.

I am pretty sure they will try to move more jally's out the door this week or next - but i think that is the only model they will be shipping at the moment due to technical difficulties.

I wish i had ordered at least 2 or 3 of them in addition to the singles - but hindsight is 20/20 and i knew it would likely be this way with BFL. 

The whole ASIC adventure (?) has been very entertaining to watch on the forums..

[minternj]

I see boxes with shipping labels. But people will see what they see. they also did say they have some on the way to devs and the devs seem to know that so 1+1 may just =2.  Of course trollfest will continue until they start shipping customer stuff(and probably farrrrr after)

You're absolutely correct...  1+1=2 unit per day, first batch done 12/31/2014. 

Actually just looked at thier site they claim to ship to customers

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/136-shipping-update.html#comment1490
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by BFL_Jody  , 04-23-2013 at 11:56 AM (0 Views)
Monday 4/22 shipped 4 Jalapenos. 1 Customer and 3 developer units.

Tuesday 4/23 3 more to ship today to customers.

As we get ramped up here I won't be telling you how many we ship each day--just what day the orders were made that we are shipping. Right now I just want you to know the magnitude of the number of units so you can see we are not blowing these products out the door in great numbers. That will come later.

[chipd]

I see boxes with shipping labels. But people will see what they see. they also did say they have some on the way to devs and the devs seem to know that so 1+1 may just =2.  Of course trollfest will continue until they start shipping customer stuff(and probably farrrrr after)

You're absolutely correct...  1+1=2 unit per day, first batch done 12/31/2014.  

Actually just looked at thier site they claim to ship to customers

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/136-shipping-update.html#comment1490
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by BFL_Jody  , 04-23-2013 at 11:56 AM (0 Views)
Monday 4/22 shipped 4 Jalapenos. 1 Customer and 3 developer units.

Tuesday 4/23 3 more to ship today to customers.

As we get ramped up here I won't be telling you how many we ship each day--just what day the orders were made that we are shipping. Right now I just want you to know the magnitude of the number of units so you can see we are not blowing these products out the door in great numbers. That will come later.

Damn, we were 2 short of the prediction!
A bit slow... just like Josh.

nhaaa... will stop trolling now.

[Cablez]

Screw BFL and their shitty practices.

[whizter]

lol, I just looked at the german translation (http://www.butterflylabs.com/de), they even translated their company name.

Schmetterling Labs stellt eine Reihe von High-Speed-Verschlüsselung Prozessoren für den Einsatz in bitcoin mining, Forschung, Telekommunikation und Security-Anwendungen.

Also a newsletter gets a "Mitteilungsblatt", LOL. Every german website calls a newsletter "newsletter".. They obv. used google translate or something like that.

Hey BFL, I'm a native german and I can do all the translations for you if you want for a couple of BTC.

[kev7112001]

Twitter says 31 more shipped

[Frizz23]

Twitter says 31 more shipped

I read this:

Code:

BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - 11 packed today, but I think they missed the ship cutoff time going out, so they'll go out (...)

tomorrow with another ~10 or so.... so a total of 20 tomorrow.

So it seems they manage to ship 10-20 units a day. Not exactly the 400 per day that Josh predicted, but hey, it's Bunch of Failing Losers. What could you expect?  

I hope those guys that ordered in 2013 bring a lot of patience, because it might be 2014 when they finally hold their Jalapenos in hands.

[tonto]

My order # is in the lower 13k range (October).  I'm gonna be a while *sigh*

[seljo]

A picture is worth a thousand words... so anyone got one delivered plx take a pic with a big smile and BFL ASIC in action.

[grnbrg]

A picture is worth a thousand words... so anyone got one delivered plx take a pic with a big smile and BFL ASIC in action.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/hardware-discussion/1983-grnbrgs-unboxing-teardown-new-bitforce-5-gh-s-sc-miner.html     



grnbrg.

[SgtSpike]

Also Wired Magazine:  https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/327471533343768576

[Frizz23]

Also Wired Magazine:  https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/327471533343768576

Nice "Butterfly Labs" logo on the boxes. It will make it easy for thieves to pick out the money machines.

Josh said they would ship in "neutral" brown boxes with no logos. Oh well, another one of Josh's bogus messages ...

I'm looking forward to the next couple of months for the forum to be full of messages like this: "help!!!!!!!!!! my BFL shipment got lost!!!!!!!!!!!".

[baad]

Great! They started to ship 10pcs / day. I will get mine within this decade.

[jedunnigan]

Also Wired Magazine:  https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/327471533343768576

Nice "Butterfly Labs" logo on the boxes. It will make it easy for thieves to pick out the money machines.

Josh said they would ship in "neutral" brown boxes with no logos. Oh well, another one of Josh's bogus messages ...

I'm looking forward to the next couple of months for the forum to be full of messages like this: "help!!!!!!!!!! my BFL shipment got lost!!!!!!!!!!!".

This is very concerning. Post men are smart, this is just silly. Even Apple knows not to ship its products like this. Come on BFL.

[dykast]

The regular units will be come with brown boxes outside of the BFL boxes from what I have read.  If not. Please post your order date, name, address and tracking # in reply to this so I can make sure your package arrives safe

[Frizz23]

The regular units will be come with brown boxes outside of the BFL boxes from what I have read.

That's what Josh said -> Fiction.

Reality:

[PuertoLibre]

Also Wired Magazine:  https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/327471533343768576

Nice "Butterfly Labs" logo on the boxes. It will make it easy for thieves to pick out the money machines.

Josh said they would ship in "neutral" brown boxes with no logos. Oh well, another one of Josh's bogus messages ...

I'm looking forward to the next couple of months for the forum to be full of messages like this: "help!!!!!!!!!! my BFL shipment got lost!!!!!!!!!!!".

Or, holy shit, my demo unit stopped working!

I think those shipments are bound for reviewers. Gotta have lots of hype to sell that lemonade.

[Frizz23]

Or, holy shit, my demo unit stopped working!

Yes, that too.

I mean big companies, like Intel, spend a lot of time for stability- and long-term tests. BFL barely managed to get a prototype running. And now they started to ship those prototypes.

Them über-cocky BFL Cowboys ...

[Henchman24]

Also Wired Magazine:  https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/327471533343768576

Nice "Butterfly Labs" logo on the boxes. It will make it easy for thieves to pick out the money machines.

Josh said they would ship in "neutral" brown boxes with no logos. Oh well, another one of Josh's bogus messages ...

I'm looking forward to the next couple of months for the forum to be full of messages like this: "help!!!!!!!!!! my BFL shipment got lost!!!!!!!!!!!".

lol  Pathetic hater.  The bitterness and envy just ooze out of you.  

I see the whole "Douche Posse" has shown up to post.   

[erk]

Also Wired Magazine:  https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/327471533343768576

Nice "Butterfly Labs" logo on the boxes. It will make it easy for thieves to pick out the money machines.

Josh said they would ship in "neutral" brown boxes with no logos. Oh well, another one of Josh's bogus messages ...

I'm looking forward to the next couple of months for the forum to be full of messages like this: "help!!!!!!!!!! my BFL shipment got lost!!!!!!!!!!!".

By your logic, video cards should be in plain brown packaging too, as they are also money machines.

The merit to plain packaging, is that it protects the original box. eg. wrap it in brown paper.

[SgtSpike]

Also Wired Magazine:  https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/327471533343768576

Nice "Butterfly Labs" logo on the boxes. It will make it easy for thieves to pick out the money machines.

Josh said they would ship in "neutral" brown boxes with no logos. Oh well, another one of Josh's bogus messages ...

I'm looking forward to the next couple of months for the forum to be full of messages like this: "help!!!!!!!!!! my BFL shipment got lost!!!!!!!!!!!".

By your logic, video cards should be in plain brown packaging too, as they are also money machines.

The merit to plain packaging, is that it protects the original box. eg. wrap it in brown paper.

*should be SHIPPED in plain brown packaging.  And they are.

[John Self]

Prepare to make at least 1btc per gh/s investors

[grue]

Also Wired Magazine:  https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/327471533343768576

Nice "Butterfly Labs" logo on the boxes. It will make it easy for thieves to pick out the money machines.

Josh said they would ship in "neutral" brown boxes with no logos. Oh well, another one of Josh's bogus messages ...

I'm looking forward to the next couple of months for the forum to be full of messages like this: "help!!!!!!!!!! my BFL shipment got lost!!!!!!!!!!!".

By your logic, video cards should be in plain brown packaging too, as they are also money machines.

The merit to plain packaging, is that it protects the original box. eg. wrap it in brown paper.

my video cards always comes in a bigger (generic) cardboard box, which holds the actual video card box.

[Frizz23]

erk: Date Registered: April 14, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
Henchman24: Date Registered: February 16, 2013, 07:04:35 AM

 

[im_riley]

wired just posted https://vine.co/v/bP2hXhAvO9i not incredibly important, but more people (media) are getting them.

[Frizz23]

Great! They started to ship 10pcs / day.

They started shipping crap out because Paypal threatened them.

[richardyang]

my order number 454xx, placed on April 22. 25GH/s, wish can get it this year.

[Frizz23]

my order number 454xx, placed on April 22. 25GH/s, wish can get it this year.

LOL. Posts like this always remind my of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERE4uiufqE

[samurai1200]

Great! They started to ship 10pcs / day.

They started shipping crap out because Paypal threatened them.

Care to back that up with proof?

[stripykitteh]

my order number 454xx, placed on April 22. 25GH/s, wish can get it this year.

I'm 390xx, 50GH/s, April 10. I would have thought there'd be more orders between us. Rumour has it that a lot (~50%) of orders end up unpaid (i.e, buyer's remorse), so there could be fewer than 3,000 orders between us.

[grue]

wired just posted https://vine.co/v/bP2hXhAvO9i not incredibly important, but more people (media) are getting them.

great, if they can ship to customers rather than trying to generate more hype, the will be great.

[erk]

my order number 454xx, placed on April 22. 25GH/s, wish can get it this year.

If they have taken that many orders, then I would expect BFL to outsource the assembly to some contracted high volume specialists, and dispatch to some fulfilment house.

[Frizz23]

Great! They started to ship 10pcs / day.

They started shipping crap out because Paypal threatened them.

Care to back that up with proof?

Sure.

We have begun shipping orders from 6/23 and a few that we are required to ship by PayPal.

(The reason I say boring, is that I will need to post for awhile that we are shipping orders from 6/23 since our customers flooded our order deck on that day.)

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/137-first-most-boring-update-page4.html

[creativex]

Great! They started to ship 10pcs / day.

They started shipping crap out because Paypal threatened them.

Care to back that up with proof?

Sure.

We have begun shipping orders from 6/23 and a few that we are required to ship by PayPal.

(The reason I say boring, is that I will need to post for awhile that we are shipping orders from 6/23 since our customers flooded our order deck on that day.)

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/137-first-most-boring-update-page4.html

lol

Too funny that BFL cares about some payment processor's demands while totally ignoring FTC prompt delivery regulations.

"NP, we'll just package up a few of these half baked frankenboxes and call them Jalapeno v0.5s! That'll get those annoying fools at fleabay off our backs while we continue looting people with our pyramid bait and switch scam!"

EDIT: In the comments section, quotes from BFL_Jody:

Because we have not shipped for such a long time PayPal is requiring us to ship a small number of the orders made through them and send them the tracking numbers.

It's not because of chargebacks. The customers are not triggering this. It's to give PayPal themselves peace of mind

Holy crap this company is a disaster. The only thing they ever seem concerned about is the supply of incoming funds.

[fluidjax]

This is good news (I appreciate it was designed as such) for a ASIC mining wannabe like me.
Perhaps I will not have to write-off my BFL pre-order after all.
At least they have a working product, not yet up to their initial expectations but, it is a working product.
I have no more idea of an expected delivery date, just a little more convinced that there will be be one at some stage.

[Frizz23]

I have no more idea of an expected delivery date, just a little more convinced that there will be be one at some stage.

It's because of people like you that BFL isn't belly up yet.

You do realize that "at some stage" might be too late to even make your investment back? In August there will be an ASIC flood - if you receive your device after that, well, good luck then, but you'll be fucked.

[fluidjax]

I have no more idea of an expected delivery date, just a little more convinced that there will be be one at some stage.

It's because of people like you that BFL isn't belly up yet.

You do realize that "at some stage" might be too late to even make your investment back? In August there will be an ASIC flood - if you receive your device after that, well, good luck then, but you'll be fucked.

Of course I realise that "at some stage" may be too late, but I'm not going to be 'fucked' because its money I can 'write off' if needed, it was a gamble when I pre-ordered, and there is no point in taking a gamble if you can't deal with losing.
No one is arguing, BFL have royally screwed up, mis-management, poor decisions no doubt, but I doubt it was wilful, its very easy to be a smart arse after the event.

The point of my post was for anyone who is still waiting on a pre-order from BFL, this is good news, there were rumours that BFL were a complete scam and they had no intention of ever delivering an ASIC device, everything was smoke and mirrors and they were just stringing everyone along until they did a runner. Well this looks less likely now.

[Frizz23]

Of course I realise that "at some stage" may be too late, but I'm not going to be 'fucked' because its money I can 'write off' if needed, it was a gamble when I pre-ordered, and there is no point in taking a gamble if you can't deal with losing.

I'd call that Stockholm syndrome 

This "I did it just for fun" is often used by people that don't want to admit to themselves that they're fucked. Kind of sugarcoating reality ...

btw: What about those that paid 30k$ for Mini Rigs? Was that also just a gamble?

[Cablez]

It is always a gamble, no matter what anyone says. It is not like there is a store shelf to take a unit from. I liken it to trading at gox with 30min lag, maybe you make a good trade or maybe you are fucked.

I have to say that my window of opportunity is closing fast and when it does I will reassess, get a refund or pass the risk onto someone else. There really isn't anything else to say on the matter.

[/end all BFL threads]

EDIT: By the way I will NEVER use a preorder again, the company should take the risk as in the real world.

[erk]

It is always a gamble, no matter what anyone says. It is not like there is a store shelf to take a unit from. I liken it to trading at gox with 30min lag, maybe you make a good trade or maybe you are fucked.

I have to say that my window of opportunity is closing fast and when it does I will reassess, get a refund or pass the risk onto someone else. There really isn't anything else to say on the matter.

[/end all BFL threads]

EDIT: By the way I will NEVER use a preorder again, the company should take the risk as in the real world.

It's really no different than the Avalon pre-orders going on right now in this forum. It's just another kickstarter style method of capital raising ro cover the development and initial production costs. If you are scared of pre-ordering  then make sure you use Paypal or some other method that can reverse transactions if necessary. Do not pay in BTC or cash.

[Henchman24]

Of course I realise that "at some stage" may be too late, but I'm not going to be 'fucked' because its money I can 'write off' if needed, it was a gamble when I pre-ordered, and there is no point in taking a gamble if you can't deal with losing.

I'd call that Stockholm syndrome  

This "I did it just for fun" is often used by people that don't want to admit to themselves that they're fucked. Kind of sugarcoating reality ...

btw: What about those that paid 30k$ for Mini Rigs? Was that also just a gamble?

lol  There's just no winning with you.  So much hate.  The guy gives you a perfectly reasonable answer and you find some way to shit on it.

It's hilarious that you don't have the objectivity and self-awareness to see your own bile.  Keep spewing, angry little fella!!   I love it!!  

BTW  People that ordered a mini-rig will make their money back in a few months even if the difficulty goes to 400 million, moron.  Get a fucking clue.

[Schrankwand]

Of course I realise that "at some stage" may be too late, but I'm not going to be 'fucked' because its money I can 'write off' if needed, it was a gamble when I pre-ordered, and there is no point in taking a gamble if you can't deal with losing.

I'd call that Stockholm syndrome 

This "I did it just for fun" is often used by people that don't want to admit to themselves that they're fucked. Kind of sugarcoating reality ...

btw: What about those that paid 30k$ for Mini Rigs? Was that also just a gamble?

Nope. Stockholm Syndrome would be if the person would still LOVE BFL for it.

If I get my ASIC in December, im gonna write it off too. but im gonna be pissed as hell and never ever buy anything from them ever again, spread the word and so on. If i get it in october, im gonna jump around a bit and not be happy, but id say "shit happens."

[peterepeat]

When I ordered in July, I was aware of the negative sentiment towards pre orders and "the BFL experience" with the original BFL Singles.
I prepared myself that this would be similar - it was.
They are now delivering. Slowly. Just Like Before. 

[Amph]

they are building those things, with all your pre-order money, lol, this is why they take so long..

[Frizz23]

BTW  People that ordered a mini-rig will make their money back in a few months even if the difficulty goes to 400 million, moron.  Get a fucking clue.

No need for insults.

After August it will be hard for every ASIC to be profitable. Whether it's a Jalapeno, a Single SC or a Mini Rig. And I doubt that the majority of BFL customers will have their miners by then.

[k9quaint]

erk: Date Registered: April 14, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
Henchman24: Date Registered: February 16, 2013, 07:04:35 AM

 

I just noticed this. That explains a lot.

[johnyj]

New single case

[erk]

New single case

A bit hard to tell how bit it is without something next to it as a reference.

[Inspector 2211]

New single case

A bit hard to tell how bit it is without something next to it as a reference.

It's about twice the size of the original single, and it has two fans inside, at opposite ends.

[CoinHoarder]

New single case

That's a fancy box of fans they've got there.

In all seriousness, I think it's just a box of fans. There isn't even a power brick plugged into it.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

9" Wide
5" Deep
5" Tall

[meowmeowbrowncow]

If there aren't push/pull fan configuration in that new case - .....


I'm just going to hope BFL did the obvious.  BFL is good at dashing hopes, though.

[Inspector 2211]

If there aren't push/pull fan configuration in that new case - .....


I'm just going to hope BFL did the obvious.  BFL is good at dashing hopes, though.

It's push-pull all right.

[shackleford]

New single case

That's a fancy box of fans they've got there.

In all seriousness, I think it's just a box of fans. There isn't even a power brick plugged into it.

FYi this is to be known as the Double... The Double W I D E to be precise.


Apparently there were internal talks deciding to not call it that.. Seems obvious haha

[Phinnaeus Gage]

At least you'll be able to connect them in series.



Note the external cooling fan.

[abbyd]

inb4 the first BFL Jalapeno overheats...

I don't even want to know what a warranty claim from BFL will entail...

[erk]

inb4 the first BFL Jalapeno overheats...

I don't even want to know what a warranty claim from BFL will entail...

Yea right, troll away, it's about the same size as a Core 2 duo and it's heatsink/fan, which runs at 65watts all day. So the Jalapeno at 30watts is going to be a lot easier to cool.

[Syke]

Yea right, troll away, it's about the same size as a Core 2 duo and it's heatsink/fan, which runs at 65watts all day. So the Jalapeno at 30watts is going to be a lot easier to cool.

Not when they stick it in a closed case with minimal ventilation.

[erk]

Yea right, troll away, it's about the same size as a Core 2 duo and it's heatsink/fan, which runs at 65watts all day. So the Jalapeno at 30watts is going to be a lot easier to cool.

Not when they stick it in a closed case with minimal ventilation.

You mean the "closed case" with the airflow slots across the bottom and the fan that's as bit as a 65watt core 2 duo fan, maybe bigger?

[k9quaint]

Yea right, troll away, it's about the same size as a Core 2 duo and it's heatsink/fan, which runs at 65watts all day. So the Jalapeno at 30watts is going to be a lot easier to cool.

Not when they stick it in a closed case with minimal ventilation.

You mean the "closed case" with the airflow slots across the bottom and the fan that's as bit as a 65watt core 2 duo fan, maybe bigger?

Name:   erk
Posts:   91
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   April 14, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
Last Active:   Today at 12:04:51 AM

91 posts total, 70+ posts on BFL threads...
Avalon employees are not ashamed to identify themselves as such.
I wonder why the BFL employees are afraid to?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Yea right, troll away, it's about the same size as a Core 2 duo and it's heatsink/fan, which runs at 65watts all day. So the Jalapeno at 30watts is going to be a lot easier to cool.

Not when they stick it in a closed case with minimal ventilation.

You mean the "closed case" with the airflow slots across the bottom and the fan that's as bit as a 65watt core 2 duo fan, maybe bigger?

Name:   erk
Posts:   91
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   April 14, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
Last Active:   Today at 12:04:51 AM

91 posts total, 70+ posts on BFL threads...
Avalon employees are not ashamed to identify themselves as such.
I wonder why the BFL employees are afraid to?

I wanted to answer this so badly with a pic of a three letter acronym, but instead found the following more appropriate image while searching for NDA:

[Bitsaurus]

Yea right, troll away, it's about the same size as a Core 2 duo and it's heatsink/fan, which runs at 65watts all day. So the Jalapeno at 30watts is going to be a lot easier to cool.

Not when they stick it in a closed case with minimal ventilation.

You mean the "closed case" with the airflow slots across the bottom and the fan that's as bit as a 65watt core 2 duo fan, maybe bigger?

Name:   erk
Posts:   91
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   April 14, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
Last Active:   Today at 12:04:51 AM

91 posts total, 70+ posts on BFL threads...
Avalon employees are not ashamed to identify themselves as such.
I wonder why the BFL employees are afraid to?

I wanted to answer this so badly with a pic of a three letter acronym, but instead found the following more appropriate image while searching for NDA:

Who are the dudes whispering?

[opentoe]

Only sine Jaleperno's have shipped right? No other model? When if ANY will the larger SC ship?

[Amph]

Yea right, troll away, it's about the same size as a Core 2 duo and it's heatsink/fan, which runs at 65watts all day. So the Jalapeno at 30watts is going to be a lot easier to cool.

Not when they stick it in a closed case with minimal ventilation.

You mean the "closed case" with the airflow slots across the bottom and the fan that's as bit as a 65watt core 2 duo fan, maybe bigger?

Name:   erk
Posts:   91
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   April 14, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
Last Active:   Today at 12:04:51 AM

91 posts total, 70+ posts on BFL threads...
Avalon employees are not ashamed to identify themselves as such.
I wonder why the BFL employees are afraid to?

I wanted to answer this so badly with a pic of a three letter acronym, but instead found the following more appropriate image while searching for NDA:

Who are the dudes whispering?

you don't know about Laurel and Hardy?

[seljo]

Yea right, troll away, it's about the same size as a Core 2 duo and it's heatsink/fan, which runs at 65watts all day. So the Jalapeno at 30watts is going to be a lot easier to cool.

Not when they stick it in a closed case with minimal ventilation.

You mean the "closed case" with the airflow slots across the bottom and the fan that's as bit as a 65watt core 2 duo fan, maybe bigger?

Name:   erk
Posts:   91
Position:   Jr. Member
Date Registered:   April 14, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
Last Active:   Today at 12:04:51 AM

91 posts total, 70+ posts on BFL threads...
Avalon employees are not ashamed to identify themselves as such.
I wonder why the BFL employees are afraid to?

I wanted to answer this so badly with a pic of a three letter acronym, but instead found the following more appropriate image while searching for NDA:

Who are the dudes whispering?

you don't know about Laurel and Hardy?

Dude where I'm from we had communism, iron curtains, war all that shit and yet I know about Stan and Oliver... so my question is how in the galaxy you don't know about those two. And on topic of BFL I can't wait they deliver mine.

[CaptChadd]

We all know that BFL will ship all of their 5GH's miners before any major movement of the larger miners, otherwise if they didn't they would be delivering 5GH/s miners that would be worthless do to the difficulty rise made by the larger miners they shipped at the same time.

I think once all the 5GH miners get shipped, then they with move onto the 25 GH/s miners mainly and work from there up, otherwise it makes no business sense.

[thomashrev89]

it makes no business sense.

we are talking about BFL here...

[solitude]

We all know that BFL will ship all of their 5GH's miners before any major movement of the larger miners, otherwise if they didn't they would be delivering 5GH/s miners that would be worthless do to the difficulty rise made by the larger miners they shipped at the same time.

I think once all the 5GH miners get shipped, then they with move onto the 25 GH/s miners mainly and work from there up, otherwise it makes no business sense.

Shipping Jalepeno orders from November and still shipping first day Single orders makes no sense to me.

Nobody would of ordered a Single if they knew Jalepeno's were gonna go first.

[Syke]

Shipping Jalepeno orders from November and still shipping first day Single orders makes no sense to me.

Nobody would of ordered a Single if they knew Jalepeno's were gonna go first.

Think of all the people who upgraded their Jalapenos to Singles. They upgraded with the promise that their order wouldn't be delayed.