Why is antisemetism acceptable

[zeocrash]

It seems there is a lot of antisemitism on this forum and I'm curious as to why it's acceptable, whereas other forms of racism are not.
In order to give full disclosure, let me say that i am a secular Jew.
Let me be clear, i don't consider anti Israel or anti Zionist sentiments to be anti Semitic. I think Israel acts like a dick a lot of the time and i feel that the religious right in Israel has far too much powers. I have no problem with criticism of Israel or Zionism.

What i do resent is the idea that as a Jew I'm part of some grand conspiracy to run the world. I assure you I'm not. Just because you have a dislike of a Jew or some Jews, it's ridiculous to the whole race with the same label.
It'd be like arguing that all white people are racists, all black people are criminals and all Hispanics hopped the border into the US.

[CIYAM]

I haven't detected very much racism (although there is a lot of trolling and attacks on individuals and some groups) but this forum does *pride* itself on *not censoring* (although links to SR apparently are less acceptable than any anti-*insert whatever person/organisation you hate* diatribe).

Unfortunately racism is one thing that *is* pretty much universal (luckily some people at least are educated and/or intelligent enough to be above that).

[Hawker]

It seems there is a lot of antisemitism on this forum and I'm curious as to why it's acceptable, whereas other forms of racism are not.
In order to give full disclosure, let me say that i am a secular Jew.
Let me be clear, i don't consider anti Israel or anti Zionist sentiments to be anti Semitic. I think Israel acts like a dick a lot of the time and i feel that the religious right in Israel has far too much powers. I have no problem with criticism of Israel or Zionism.

What i do resent is the idea that as a Jew I'm part of some grand conspiracy to run the world. I assure you I'm not. Just because you have a dislike of a Jew or some Jews, it's ridiculous to the whole race with the same label.
It'd be like arguing that all white people are racists, all black people are criminals and all Hispanics hopped the border into the US.

The world has problems. Life is hard.  Stuff is complicated.  That is the natural order of things.

The world has nutters.  The nutters can't accept that natural order so they look for a simpler explanation.  Blaming the Jews has always been the simplest explanation of all.

[myrkul]

It seems there is a lot of antisemitism on this forum and I'm curious as to why it's acceptable, whereas other forms of racism are not.
In order to give full disclosure, let me say that i am a secular Jew.
Let me be clear, i don't consider anti Israel or anti Zionist sentiments to be anti Semitic. I think Israel acts like a dick a lot of the time and i feel that the religious right in Israel has far too much powers. I have no problem with criticism of Israel or Zionism.

What i do resent is the idea that as a Jew I'm part of some grand conspiracy to run the world. I assure you I'm not. Just because you have a dislike of a Jew or some Jews, it's ridiculous to the whole race with the same label.
It'd be like arguing that all white people are racists, all black people are criminals and all Hispanics hopped the border into the US.

What you're perceiving as "a lot of antisemitism" is actually the work of one or two (possibly one, with sockpuppets) people, posting a lot of threads, getting shouted down, and eventually banned. We have only one long-term poster who is antisemitic, MysteryMiner, and he's also anti-everything-but-aryan, but at least keeps it to a minimum.

[CIYAM]

The world has nutters.  The nutters can't accept that natural order so they look for a simpler explanation.  Blaming the Jews has always been the simplest explanation of all.

If it were *only* the nutters - unfortunately the majority of people are racist and do look for simpler explanations (thus the success of religion and politics).

[Hawker]

The world has nutters.  The nutters can't accept that natural order so they look for a simpler explanation.  Blaming the Jews has always been the simplest explanation of all.

If it were *only* the nutters - unfortunately the majority of people are racist and do look for simpler explanations (thus the success of religion and politics).

Agreed. In fact, the vast majority of people are more concerned with the stuff on http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ than anything we discuss.  But the question is why do people accept antisemitism.

One example that baffled me was the guys that went to Mumbai from Pakistan and killed a lady in a Jewish community there.  They had never met a Jew in their entire lives until they met her.  And they travelled over 1000 miles for that attack.  If I were a Jew, I'd find that kind of thing terrifying and move to Israel in a nanosecond but I guess most Jews are made of sterner stuff.

[zeocrash]

What you're perceiving as "a lot of antisemitism" is actually the work of one or two (possibly one, with sockpuppets) people, posting a lot of threads, getting shouted down, and eventually banned. We have only one long-term poster who is antisemitic, MysteryMiner, and he's also anti-everything-but-aryan, but at least keeps it to a minimum.

Yeah looking through the posts, i see it is the work of a few individuals rather than the masses, my bad, I'm not trying to label all you guys as racists.
I'm more curious as to people's motivations.
I noticed it a lot in the comments section of the guardian too.

[myrkul]

Yeah looking through the posts, i see it is the work of a few individuals rather than the masses, my bad, I'm not trying to label all you guys as racists.
I'm more curious as to people's motivations.
I noticed it a lot in the comments section of the guardian too.

As for the motivation, I think Hawker said it best:

The world has nutters.  The nutters can't accept that natural order so they look for a simpler explanation.  Blaming the Jews has always been the simplest explanation of all.

[Hawker]

What you're perceiving as "a lot of antisemitism" is actually the work of one or two (possibly one, with sockpuppets) people, posting a lot of threads, getting shouted down, and eventually banned. We have only one long-term poster who is antisemitic, MysteryMiner, and he's also anti-everything-but-aryan, but at least keeps it to a minimum.

Yeah looking through the posts, i see it is the work of a few individuals rather than the masses, my bad, I'm not trying to label all you guys as racists.
I'm more curious as to people's motivations.
I noticed it a lot in the comments section of the guardian too.

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites.  They just don't like any religion there.  

[bonker]

"Hate Speech" is a term straight out of Orwell's 1984.

I pisses me off when forums slap hate speech bans on people and I'd hate to see it happen here in a forum that is supposed to value freedom.

[zeocrash]

"Hate Speech" is a term straight out of Orwell's 1984.

I pisses me off when forums slap hate speech bans on people and I'd hate to see it happen here in a forum that is supposed to value freedom.

I'm not looking to get anyone banned.

[bonker]

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites.  They just don't like any religion there.  

The Guardian is a bunch of psuedo intellectual toss for teachers and champagne socialists. It's packed with hypocritical
spew and contradictory nonsense. The only view they the promote is international socialist nihilism,.. I wouldn't
wipe my bung-hole on it

[Lethn]

It isn't that anti-Semitism is acceptable, I suspect most of us just have the sense to immediately put them on the ignore list and watch the racist cunts' threads go all the way to the bottom, I don't know about other people but to me anti-Semitism is such an old and stupid prejudice that I can't even be bothered arguing the logic anymore, at least when people hate on other ethnic groups it's sometimes reasonably new. It won't be long now before media groups decide to accuse us of being racists now they can't attack Bitcoin because they don't understand how a block function works and just see all the hate spam that gets put on the forum.

I'm not accusing the OP of being one because you seem quite reasonable but I predict soon there will be a wave of computer illiterate morons who can't find the ignore button and will immediately call for a ban/regulation of something they have no understanding of.

[Hawker]

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites.  They just don't like any religion there.  

The Guardian is a bunch of psuedo intellectual toss for teachers and champagne socialists. It's packed with hypocritical
spew and contradictory nonsense. The only view they the promote is international socialist nihilism,.. I wouldn't
wipe my bung-hole on it

Yet the Guardian editorial staff don't endorse socialist politicians.  Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

[Lethn]

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites.  They just don't like any religion there.  

The Guardian is a bunch of psuedo intellectual toss for teachers and champagne socialists. It's packed with hypocritical
spew and contradictory nonsense. The only view they the promote is international socialist nihilism,.. I wouldn't
wipe my bung-hole on it

Yet the Guardian editorial staff don't endorse socialist politicians.  Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

He's a silly communist fearing neo-conservative don't mind them, they see socialists everywhere because the communists are almost all gone now, it's easy to get taken in by them, I can find plenty of reasons to not like the Guardian very much and it has nothing to do with their politics.

[bonker]

The Guardian has far more anti-Christian and anti-Muslim posters on CiF than anti-semites.  They just don't like any religion there.  

The Guardian is a bunch of psuedo intellectual toss for teachers and champagne socialists. It's packed with hypocritical
spew and contradictory nonsense. The only view they the promote is international socialist nihilism,.. I wouldn't
wipe my bung-hole on it

Yet the Guardian editorial staff don't endorse socialist politicians.  Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

You don't have to endorse a politician to subscribe to a political orientation.

The Guardian is a socialist and internationalist jizz-mop that promotes the usual range of irrational and self-contradictory drivel from welfare dependency and multiculturalism to global warming and eco-alarmism.  

... generally read by teachers and toss pots.

[bonker]

He's a silly communist fearing neo-conservative don't mind them, they see socialists everywhere because the communists are almost all gone now, it's easy to get taken in by them, I can find plenty of reasons to not like the Guardian very much and it has nothing to do with their politics.

I'm no neo-con, I just see the truth.

Socialism is just irrational drivel used by the druggies and the disturbed to justify their miserable nihilist lifestyle.

[Hawker]

He's a silly communist fearing neo-conservative don't mind them, they see socialists everywhere because the communists are almost all gone now, it's easy to get taken in by them, I can find plenty of reasons to not like the Guardian very much and it has nothing to do with their politics.

I'm no neo-con, I just see the truth.

Socialism is just irrational drivel used by the druggies and the disturbed to justify their miserable nihilist lifestyle.

Is that your way of saying the "truth" is what neo-cons say?

[bonker]

Is that your way of saying the "truth" is what neo-cons say?

WTF is this even supposed to mean? If you can't put together a coherent arguement then GTFO.
 
Hang on here's a simple statement to see if you can get your skull around: "Not liking socialism does not mean you subscribe to neo-conservatism"

[myrkul]

Bonkers has a point. I'm certainly no neo-con, and I don't like commies either.