o_solo_miner
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 2472
Merit: 1478
-> morgen, ist heute, schon gestern <-
|
|
April 05, 2020, 10:39:07 AM |
|
Hi, this is my last capture, compare it with the last one I published. .... Not Found The requested URL /files/IMG_20200405_102235.jpg was not found on this server.
|
from the creator of CGMiner http://solo.ckpool.org for Solominers paused: passthrough for solo.ckpool.org => stratum+tcp://rfpool.org:3334
|
|
|
Mrbytes
Newbie
Offline
Activity: 8
Merit: 0
|
|
April 05, 2020, 12:47:21 PM |
|
Not Found The requested URL /files/IMG_20200405_102235.jpg was not found on this server. Now
|
|
|
|
philipma1957
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 4186
Merit: 8153
'The right to privacy matters'
|
|
April 05, 2020, 12:59:57 PM |
|
Dude just give us the btc address you mine with. http://pool.ckpool.org/#/miners 17 16yLHLoeyuCLPMXkVpC3gyrRYvwRGwjKJr 9.02TH/s 9.13TH/s 12.8TH/s 1 23,064,032,585 13754547806 100% 89,170,781,916 0.02368093If you show your gear mining on the pool we can figure if there is an issue. this image is a waste of our time
|
|
|
|
judypug1956
|
|
April 05, 2020, 01:08:47 PM Last edit: April 05, 2020, 01:21:51 PM by judypug1956 Merited by suchmoon (4), vapourminer (2) |
|
My husband is philipma1957 he asked me to look at the photos as he is tired this morning. They prove exactly what philip explained a few posts ago. this photo shows the miner in question 4 hours turned off. note derp is 0.00010416 note shares are 138,135,640
so next photo the miner in question is 9 hours turned off. note derp dropped from 0.00010416 to 0.00010249 also note your average hashrate dropped it was 199g daily and became 158g note shares are 138,135,640 so while you shares stay the same. the rest of us are working so that drops you derp. do you expect that your derp should freeze in place and you keep it. While we are mining away with our gear? If you believe you are correct you need to pick a different pool. BTW you belong at solo.ckpool.org not here. Most likely you will not believe us. Which is your loss my friend.
|
1956jUdYPFwiBSzt9AECdWj3KE4WV7taiM I can't do 1957philma.. for btc address the i are not allowed This is a secondary account for Philipma1957, don't do business with this account deal with philipma1957
|
|
|
|
philipma1957
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 4186
Merit: 8153
'The right to privacy matters'
|
|
April 05, 2020, 10:17:23 PM |
|
I am going to try to figure out the drop. But if a giant comes along and mines here with 10,000 x your miner it will lower you quickly.
I can think of no other reason then we must have had a big miner failover for an hour or two.
You seem to run 200gh to 400gh an s-1 or an s-3
My bigger farm has 2ph or about 2000th or about 2,000,000gh
This pool is running about 1ph or 1000 th to about 1,000,000gh
so if we are 200/1,000,000 when you run your gear and you power off you should drop since you don't do your numbers 24 hours, but Maybe less then you did.
REMEMBER the entire network is monster big.
100eh or 100,000ph this pool is 1ph so if a bigger farm rollover to here and tosses 1eh for 4 hours it is like our pool mining for 1000/6 = 166 days.
So while you are turned off for 5-10 hours and some monster pool is here it kills your average and your derp drops.
keep you miner going don't stop for the next few hours. I will rent a ton of hash and point it here. You will go backwards due to my monster rental. the whole pole will go backwards a bit. this will take me an hour to setup.
I sent some funds to nicehash once they clear I will rent a ton of hash and everyone will roll backwards the then my one address
14 16yLHLoeyuCLPMXkVpC3gyrRYvwRGwjKJr 9.05TH/s 9.13TH/s 12.6TH/s
this will soon be at 5ph giving me about 5/6 of this whole pool. everyone else will go backwards unless they add a ton of hash.
|
|
|
|
o_solo_miner
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 2472
Merit: 1478
-> morgen, ist heute, schon gestern <-
|
|
April 06, 2020, 10:51:03 AM Last edit: April 11, 2020, 02:57:19 PM by o_solo_miner |
|
I am going to try to figure out the drop. But if a giant comes along and mines here with 10,000 x your miner it will lower you quickly. I can think of no other reason then we must have had a big miner failover for an hour or two. You seem to run 200gh to 400gh an s-1 or an s-3 My bigger farm has 2ph or about 2000th or about 2,000,000gh This pool is running about 1ph or 1000 th to about 1,000,000gh so if we are 200/1,000,000 when you run your gear and you power off you should drop since you don't do your numbers 24 hours, but Maybe less then you did. REMEMBER the entire network is monster big. 100eh or 100,000ph this pool is 1ph so if a bigger farm rollover to here and tosses 1eh for 4 hours it is like our pool mining for 1000/6 = 166 days. So while you are turned off for 5-10 hours and some monster pool is here it kills your average and your derp drops. keep you miner going don't stop for the next few hours. I will rent a ton of hash and point it here. You will go backwards due to my monster rental. the whole pole will go backwards a bit. this will take me an hour to setup. I sent some funds to nicehash once they clear I will rent a ton of hash and everyone will roll backwards the then my one address 14 16yLHLoeyuCLPMXkVpC3gyrRYvwRGwjKJr 9.05TH/s 9.13TH/s 12.6TH/s this will soon be at 5ph giving me about 5/6 of this whole pool. everyone else will go backwards unless they add a ton of hash.
@philipma1957: I merit you as soon as I own some. done, Thank you for the hard work you doing, n.b. I am waiting for a new YT-video from you, I love them. ---- @Mrbytes: You can boil it down to: This is not a simple pay per share pool. All variants have to be taken in consideration and it is not easy unless you are monitoring all variants constantly. Plus you are stopping mining inbetween while all other miner does not stop mining and the over all poolhash change as well as the network diff. changes and so on. In every other mining pool you will experince the same effect.
|
from the creator of CGMiner http://solo.ckpool.org for Solominers paused: passthrough for solo.ckpool.org => stratum+tcp://rfpool.org:3334
|
|
|
philipma1957
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 4186
Merit: 8153
'The right to privacy matters'
|
|
April 06, 2020, 03:06:52 PM Last edit: April 06, 2020, 03:18:38 PM by philipma1957 |
|
So I finally have three screen shots properly set up to show what happens to everyone when a big miner come here. MrBYtes is a 200gh or 400gh miner. A small miner. My 16yLHLoey.... address is 9th still pretty small first photo is is my large rental just firing up second photo shows how my large rental affected even the biggest miners a drop from 2.3940238 to 2.39267655 the true payment number dropped for everyone during this time period. and my hash rate does not show the rental yet. third photo shows them start to recover as my rental is ending, I show 1.74ph which is already ended but not reflected in the hashrate stat. it is reflected in the derp as derp is growing higher for miners.
|
|
|
|
vickersja
Member
Offline
Activity: 210
Merit: 34
To be the man, you gotta beat the man...... WOOOOO
|
|
April 06, 2020, 03:28:03 PM |
|
You are impacting my single R4 Phil. 14 32tZMmveiPnmYTxJb2bmCUzGPBA3Hza21s 7.3TH/s 6.52TH/s 3.29TH/s 1 2,077,005,798 1619279951 100% 8,352,175,005 0.00391486
|
|
|
|
philipma1957
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 4186
Merit: 8153
'The right to privacy matters'
|
|
April 06, 2020, 04:21:45 PM |
|
You are impacting my single R4 Phil. 14 32tZMmveiPnmYTxJb2bmCUzGPBA3Hza21s 7.3TH/s 6.52TH/s 3.29TH/s 1 2,077,005,798 1619279951 100% 8,352,175,005 0.00391486 When I did that rental is was for 10 ph I spent 0.0055 btc on nicehash. It does not last long as 10ph is very high rental and 0.0055 btc is very small amount to use. But while it was active I had 10/11 of the entire pool which hurts everyones derp (except mine) while it lasts. This is the very reason 5n came about it was to soften a big miner coming to a pool and crushing everyone else. Since the effect of a big miner is stretched over 5n average vs 1n the derp shift takes 5x longer to happen. 5n pools are great if hashrate on the pool is 1% of network and pool is making 1 or 2 blocks a day. If I were Mrbytes I would point my 200 or 400gh at the solo pool http://solo.ckpool.org/we just had a guy win a block with a 400gh miner. the pool is all or nothing. which makes sense for him to do. rather then mine here I have 1th on the solo pool http://solo.ckpool.org/users/146UJM5kgzLVUV23CXCf33KQKHckoX1gx3I have 9th here I have 2ph on a different pool but this is a 4 way partnership I manage it and get 25% the other guys don't want to mine here .
|
|
|
|
vickersja
Member
Offline
Activity: 210
Merit: 34
To be the man, you gotta beat the man...... WOOOOO
|
|
April 06, 2020, 04:30:41 PM |
|
Agreed. I would argue anything under 1TH should be on the solo pool. I have one device on the solo pool - an S7-LN running on low frequency. Using 400 watts and averging 1.35 TH/s.
"workername": "32v8MSnYvZGg8T2fWiHgUoBD7afrTvsJ7u.S72", "hashrate1m": "1.2T", "hashrate5m": "1.24T", "hashrate1hr": "1.35T", "hashrate1d": "1.35T", "hashrate7d": "766G", "lastshare": 1586190577, "shares": 380679847, "bestshare": 206031337.7922632, "bestever": 2443683507
I have an R4 on this pool. The 2nd one is off - too damn hot. I run it in the house.
|
|
|
|
philipma1957
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 4186
Merit: 8153
'The right to privacy matters'
|
|
April 06, 2020, 04:35:14 PM |
|
Agreed. I would argue anything under 1TH should be on the solo pool. I have one device on the solo pool - an S7-LN running on low frequency. Using 400 watts and averging 1.35 TH/s.
"workername": "32v8MSnYvZGg8T2fWiHgUoBD7afrTvsJ7u.S72", "hashrate1m": "1.2T", "hashrate5m": "1.24T", "hashrate1hr": "1.35T", "hashrate1d": "1.35T", "hashrate7d": "766G", "lastshare": 1586190577, "shares": 380679847, "bestshare": 206031337.7922632, "bestever": 2443683507
I have an R4 on this pool. The 2nd one is off - too damn hot. I run it in the house.
Yeah running 1th or less on solo pool and 6th or more here makes $$ sense.
|
|
|
|
Mrbytes
Newbie
Offline
Activity: 8
Merit: 0
|
|
April 06, 2020, 08:22:55 PM Last edit: April 06, 2020, 08:41:58 PM by Mrbytes |
|
@philipma1957 Thk so much.
Well, more or less it has become clear to me what is happening, but as I said before, this is happening now, since I have been in the group for 4 months and before it had not happened to me, I have always received benefits, not losses, and as I have told you I only work mining at night 14 hours in a reduced cost electric rate, and not now, but always.
Best regards
P.S My sincere apologies to anyone who could have offended.
|
|
|
|
Biffa
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 3220
Merit: 1220
|
|
April 06, 2020, 08:46:53 PM |
|
What pool were you on before you joined this one 4 months ago? Probably it was a PPS pool.
|
|
|
|
philipma1957
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 4186
Merit: 8153
'The right to privacy matters'
|
|
April 06, 2020, 09:02:58 PM |
|
@philipma1957 Thk so much.
Well, more or less it has become clear to me what is happening, but as I said before, this is happening now, since I have been in the group for 4 months and before it had not happened to me, I have always received benefits, not losses, and as I have told you I only work mining at night 14 hours in a reduced cost electric rate, and not now, but always.
Best regards
P.S My sincere apologies to anyone who could have offended.
Don't worry sometimes the internet is hard to talk to one another. It is resolved we straightened it out.
|
|
|
|
2alt
Member
Offline
Activity: 74
Merit: 10
|
|
April 10, 2020, 12:36:39 PM |
|
Hi,
Have a couple of questions.
1) Graphs. Are these only updated while you are looking at the page? I shutdown my desktop last night and this morning when I looked at my stats, the graph was not updated all night. I think this is the case. Checked a few other miners and they had no graph at all. However my hash numbers were all on point, so just seems like a graph issue.
2) Is this PPS or PPLNS? It is labeled as score based pplns, but even after disconnecting from the pool for near 24 hours, come back and still have tons of shares. Or is all the math figured out when a block is found? It would seem that if people can disconnect for 24+ hours and still have active shares, it would drastically reduce the payout for active miners. Especially since the rounds are so long.
Thanks!
|
|
|
|
-ck (OP)
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 4172
Merit: 1641
Ruu \o/
|
|
April 10, 2020, 01:03:12 PM |
|
Hi,
Have a couple of questions.
1) Graphs. Are these only updated while you are looking at the page? I shutdown my desktop last night and this morning when I looked at my stats, the graph was not updated all night. I think this is the case. Checked a few other miners and they had no graph at all. However my hash numbers were all on point, so just seems like a graph issue.
2) Is this PPS or PPLNS? It is labeled as score based pplns, but even after disconnecting from the pool for near 24 hours, come back and still have tons of shares. Or is all the math figured out when a block is found? It would seem that if people can disconnect for 24+ hours and still have active shares, it would drastically reduce the payout for active miners. Especially since the rounds are so long.
Thanks!
Graphs only work from your browser so shutting it down you'll lose the graphs. This is score based PPLNS but the Last N Shares is 5x current difficulty which at the current pool's hashrate is about 5 years, so the rounds are insanely long thanks to the ultra low hashrate...
|
Developer/maintainer for cgminer, ckpool/ckproxy, and the -ck kernel 2% Fee Solo mining at solo.ckpool.org -ck
|
|
|
NotFuzzyWarm
Legendary
Online
Activity: 3696
Merit: 2619
Evil beware: We have waffles!
|
|
April 10, 2020, 01:05:10 PM Last edit: April 10, 2020, 01:19:28 PM by NotFuzzyWarm |
|
2) Is this PPS or PPLNS? It is labeled as score based pplns, but even after disconnecting from the pool for near 24 hours, come back and still have tons of shares. Or is all the math figured out when a block is found? It would seem that if people can disconnect for 24+ hours and still have active shares, it would drastically reduce the payout for active miners. Especially since the rounds are so long. It is neither. Perhaps reading the 1st post where how the pool operates is described would help?
|
|
|
|
2alt
Member
Offline
Activity: 74
Merit: 10
|
|
April 10, 2020, 01:43:14 PM Last edit: April 10, 2020, 02:01:56 PM by 2alt |
|
2) Is this PPS or PPLNS? It is labeled as score based pplns, but even after disconnecting from the pool for near 24 hours, come back and still have tons of shares. Or is all the math figured out when a block is found? It would seem that if people can disconnect for 24+ hours and still have active shares, it would drastically reduce the payout for active miners. Especially since the rounds are so long. It is neither. Perhaps reading the 1st post where how the pool operates is described would help? Geez, why even post? You added 0 to this thread. Of course I read that, it the exact same info on the front page of the site. Its labeled as SPLNS. Score per last number of shares. Avoid pool hopping. Well, if I can collect shares, disconnect for 24+ hours and still get a payout, I don't see how this stops pool hopping. After not mining for 24+ hours, my derp showed my estimate as around $5 worth of BTC. And before I disconnected from the pool I was at around $8 in BTC based of the derp score. I am sure even days later I would still have some derp. That sounds really terrible and most likely why people are not joining this pool. If a block was found daily, sure. But extremely long rounds, now you end up having to split the reward with 100's of others that haven't mined in days. I guess I will check my derp in another 24 hours and see. But if someone can answer my question - Is this basically how it works? Or is derp re-calculated on block find? I think the code is available so can check myself, but figure easier to simply ask people that have been mining here for a while. EDIT: Ahhhhh, missed this line here - Interleaved rewards - Each time a block is solved, the top 100 miners will receive a payout while 50 of the remaining smaller miners will receive a payout. Rewards will alternate between the smaller miners according to who has waited the longest for a payout. Rewards accumulate from blocks worked on even if miners are not scheduled for a payout with that block. Now it makes sense The top 100 miners get paid. The lower 50 get paid too, but depending how low of a hashrate they have, they may need to wait 2 rounds. Back on the pool, lets see where I stand in 24 hours in the rankings,
|
|
|
|
TheYankeesWin!
|
2) Is this PPS or PPLNS? It is labeled as score based pplns, but even after disconnecting from the pool for near 24 hours, come back and still have tons of shares. Or is all the math figured out when a block is found? It would seem that if people can disconnect for 24+ hours and still have active shares, it would drastically reduce the payout for active miners. Especially since the rounds are so long. It is neither. Perhaps reading the 1st post where how the pool operates is described would help? Geez, why even post? You added 0 to this thread. Of course I read that, it the exact same info on the front page of the site. Its labeled as SPLNS. Score per last number of shares. Avoid pool hopping. Well, if I can collect shares, disconnect for 24+ hours and still get a payout, I don't see how this stops pool hopping. After not mining for 24+ hours, my derp showed my estimate as around $5 worth of BTC. And before I disconnected from the pool I was at around $8 in BTC based of the derp score. I am sure even days later I would still have some derp. That sounds really terrible and most likely why people are not joining this pool. If a block was found daily, sure. But extremely long rounds, now you end up having to split the reward with 100's of others that haven't mined in days. I guess I will check my derp in another 24 hours and see. But if someone can answer my question - Is this basically how it works? Or is derp re-calculated on block find? I think the code is available so can check myself, but figure easier to simply ask people that have been mining here for a while. What you need to understand is the pool has 869 th forget the ½ ing forget difficulty adjustments and go with 5n and 869th 869 x 0.00001662 = 0.01444278 btc then 12.5/0.01444278 = 865 this is 1n so 5n = 4325 days so our current real time 5n is 4325 days disregarding the ½ ing the difficulty the fact that the pool may get more hash power the fact that the pool may lose more hash power but right now our 5n is 4325 days. so shutting off for a day or two or three or four means the following 4324/4325 retention of earnings if you power off for a day 4323/4325 retention of earnings if you power off for 2 days 4322/4325 retention of earnings if you power off for 3 days 4321/4325 retention of earnings if you power off for 4 days Now of course just to fuck with your head I or anyone else can rent 10ph or 20ph from nicehash point it here for a day and that 869th hashrate I based all the calculations on will get distorted. I used the following constants of 869 th 0.00001662 btc a th daily earnings. 12.5 coin reward to get a 4325 day 5n Reality is all of those constants can and will change
|
|
|
|
|