⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[SatoPrincess]

Nagelsmann doesn’t need to worry too much yet. Bayern will probably still win the league despite their bad form. There’s only really Dortmund as a proper competitor & they have lots of young players who could choke as the season goes on. Bayern know how to win the big trophies, they have a lot of players with bog experience.

Bayern Munich has already assured Nagelsmann of the support  and backing of the management despite their bad form this season, obviously Oliver Khan still believes in Nagelsmann and believes he could turn the situation around in the team so sacking him wouldn't be an option now. They still have hopes of getting better and retaking their place in the league despite the current poor form, they still have chances of still winning the league as they have little competition to face.

[Joca97]

Nagelsmann doesn’t need to worry too much yet. Bayern will probably still win the league despite their bad form. There’s only really Dortmund as a proper competitor & they have lots of young players who could choke as the season goes on. Bayern know how to win the big trophies, they have a lot of players with bog experience.

I agree but still how patient will be the management from Bayern Munich if they continue to drop points in the bundesliga. But no doubt that he is an excellent coach. I think Bayern will win next few matches for sure and would be back on the road to win the bundesliga easily like the years before

[jostorres]

Mauricio Pochettino still waiting for top clubs for bids. It's quite funny to think that any top team will open discussion with him after getting kick out from two top clubs. First it was the premier league  club, Tottenham Hotspur before getting sacked and not achieving their targets. Secondly, he went to Paris Saint Germain where we all thought that he would lift  the champions league for the parisians, but also got relieved off his duty after a shocking defeats to real madrid in the champions league last season. He's just mediocre and probably he should accept for Nice rather than waiting for proposal from top clubs.

I don't agree with what you are saying,how can you said this about Mauricio Pochettino, I think the Argentine is a good coach that's why Paris Saint Germain brought him in at the first place, because of he did at the premier League with Tottenham,he might not win a trophy for spurs but before he came to Tottenham, spurs were not at the level he made them to be, he made them compete for the league and qualify for champions League for three seasons, he made some of their players England international, he took them to their first ever champions League final without spending much on transfer.

Mauricio Pochettino is not job less last time when he leaves his job from PSG he clearly announces he wants some break and going back to his country so now it's very long time hopefully he will be here in soccer world with few teams are now looking for quality coach, and he is surely one of the best in current circumstances few months back I read on a site when Newcastle United was bought by new owners they contact with him about this new job, but he was not ready, so he drops this but now as things are changing hopefully we will have some positive news about him in coming days because few teams are looking for the changes like Bayern Munich, Juventus and surely with current form which is not good Chelsea also can change again if Potter not able to change current form which is on decline and management already done one mistake hopefully try to settle this.

[JeromeTash]

The problem is that with such an uncertain performance, Bayern could once again miss out on the Champions League title. Last season, Bayern also looked great from the start (and in the Bundesliga too) - they scored a lot of goals but also conceded a lot. The pattern is repeating this season, with Bayern risking get an inconvenient/lucky Champions League opponent and be knockouted early on.

Domestic league form doesn't mean a club will not perform well in the Champion's League. A good example is Real Madrid. Last season was actually one of the few seasons where Real Madrid performed well both in the UCL and la Liga.

Bayern Munich will turn things around in an already weak looking local league as usual.

[Velvet78]

Manchester United don't need Ronaldo anymore actually. They have been on a really great run in the Premier League recently and Ronaldo hasn't been in the starting eleven for some time too. Rashford has done a really good job so far. Manchester United should find a productive striker to replace Ronaldo I think. They can surely find a good striker instead of paying a lot of money for Ronaldo. I know how important he is for the team considering their history but I think it is better for them to part ways at the end of the season.

I doubt that Man Utd don't need Ronaldo anymore, as far as this season is concerned, there will weeks after weeks where he'd be required to lead the squad attacking line, and that could even be as early as after the international break during the Manchester Derby, Rashford, in whom Erik Ten Haag seemed to have trusted to fill that position has reportedly taken a knock which could keep him on the sidelines on that day, while Anthony still remains unavailable too, so Ronaldo could be the best option for them going forward. I understand the fact that he's pretty much on a high wage deal, but Ronaldo have remained professional enough in the game his being on the bench, cheer the team up and not giving unnecessary negative gestures.

I mean that he was really crucial for the team in the previous season. Because he wasn't considering about leaving the team and playing for a team that were playing in the Champions League. Therefore there was no hindrance for him to focus on his game. But now one of his sides is still thinking about leaving the team at the earliest opportunity. Erik ten Hag is having second thoughts about choosing him for the starting eleven in Premier League games because of that.

I hope it doesn't go this way until the end of the season. Ronaldo should clear his mind completely and have his form in the previous season back again.

[Jackl87]

The problem is that with such an uncertain performance, Bayern could once again miss out on the Champions League title. Last season, Bayern also looked great from the start (and in the Bundesliga too) - they scored a lot of goals but also conceded a lot. The pattern is repeating this season, with Bayern risking get an inconvenient/lucky Champions League opponent and be knockouted early on.

Well the good thing is that we are still so early in this season, so i would say it is way better to have a series of bad results and maybe even a bad performance now then later in the season in april and may when the very big and very important games are played in the playoff round of the Champions League.
That being said, i think it is highly likely that Bayern will miss out on the Champions League title this year. Not because they are bad, i think they are one of the big favorites, but still it is just so hard to win this title. Just look at Manchester City they were the best team of Europe for the last 3 years now or so and they will have not won the CL. You also need luck to win it.

[rby]

Manchester United don't need Ronaldo anymore actually. They have been on a really great run in the Premier League recently and Ronaldo hasn't been in the starting eleven for some time too. Rashford has done a really good job so far. Manchester United should find a productive striker to replace Ronaldo I think. They can surely find a good striker instead of paying a lot of money for Ronaldo. I know how important he is for the team considering their history but I think it is better for them to part ways at the end of the season.

I doubt that Man Utd don't need Ronaldo anymore, as far as this season is concerned, there will weeks after weeks where he'd be required to lead the squad attacking line, and that could even be as early as after the international break during the Manchester Derby, Rashford, in whom Erik Ten Haag seemed to have trusted to fill that position has reportedly taken a knock which could keep him on the sidelines on that day, while Anthony still remains unavailable too, so Ronaldo could be the best option for them going forward. I understand the fact that he's pretty much on a high wage deal, but Ronaldo have remained professional enough in the game his being on the bench, cheer the team up and not giving unnecessary negative gestures.

You shouldn't say that Manchester United doesn't need Ronaldo anymore. That is a height of blasphemy in football.   There is no club that doesn't need Ronaldo. What is the team depthof Manchester United that they wouldn't need Ronaldo again?
Even as complete as Manchester City they still need Ronaldo. There are many weeks, many titles to contest for and there are some that a big name will win for you.

Even if you feel that you don't need Ronaldo for football, you need him for audiences, you need him for branding, you need him for business and many more. Ronaldo is jus more than a footballer and that's how it will remain even after his retirement.

[baeva]

This is a very important issue for Ronaldo because if you look at his performance, of course he has changed a lot because his playing age is not the same as when he was young, it should be as he grows older he should be able to work as a team well and create a good relationship with his team so that on the field he doesn't have to waste a lot of energy because his friends will definitely help him if Ronaldo doesn't have a bad attitude.

No one will ever be able to fight age including Ronaldo. Ronaldo's appearance has decreased a lot due to the age factor, he is not able to run as fast as he used to and his strength has begun to decrease.
Now Ronaldo can only rely on the remnants of his strength and experience as a reliable striker to continue to contribute to Manchester United when given his playing time.
Ronaldo must stay at Manchester United at least until the end of the season. If Manchester United fail to finish in the top four, he can look for another club that can give him a place in the UCL.

It has been seen that many changes have occurred to Ronaldo and it is still the age factor that in my opinion the most declining performance of anyone who has reached old age then it will experience the same thing as a decrease in performance.
Even now Ronaldo is on the bench more because Ten Hag knows it is more important for young players to be up front than old players, but Ronaldo has given a lot of motivation to other players so that he is more confident mentally what Ronaldo says actually has an effect only Of course, Ronaldo's ambitions are too excessive in UCL matches so he wants to move to a club where we know the club will not necessarily accept him again.

Maybe age played some role (although I don't think so), but he's still at a high level, at least for Manchester United's level. If you put it that way, he couldn't have got so old that he was worse, I mean he hardly got any older over the summer break, because he played pretty well last season. But no matter what, I think Ten Hag is doing the right thing.

[EdenHazard]

The problem is that with such an uncertain performance, Bayern could once again miss out on the Champions League title. Last season, Bayern also looked great from the start (and in the Bundesliga too) - they scored a lot of goals but also conceded a lot. The pattern is repeating this season, with Bayern risking get an inconvenient/lucky Champions League opponent and be knockouted early on.

Well the good thing is that we are still so early in this season, so i would say it is way better to have a series of bad results and maybe even a bad performance now then later in the season in april and may when the very big and very important games are played in the playoff round of the Champions League.
That being said, i think it is highly likely that Bayern will miss out on the Champions League title this year. Not because they are bad, i think they are one of the big favorites, but still it is just so hard to win this title. Just look at Manchester City they were the best team of Europe for the last 3 years now or so and they will have not won the CL. You also need luck to win it.

Luck is not something concrete to talk about.

You cannot take it as a parameter though , september are indeed a nightmare for bayern ... that's why there is a rumor that tuchel prepared to take this job or he might take the old lady juventus job as allegri might be in danger  to leave the club . Anybody interested in betting for the next manager to be fired?

[sayaya17]

The problem is that with such an uncertain performance, Bayern could once again miss out on the Champions League title. Last season, Bayern also looked great from the start (and in the Bundesliga too) - they scored a lot of goals but also conceded a lot. The pattern is repeating this season, with Bayern risking get an inconvenient/lucky Champions League opponent and be knockouted early on.

Well the good thing is that we are still so early in this season, so i would say it is way better to have a series of bad results and maybe even a bad performance now then later in the season in april and may when the very big and very important games are played in the playoff round of the Champions League.
That being said, i think it is highly likely that Bayern will miss out on the Champions League title this year. Not because they are bad, i think they are one of the big favorites, but still it is just so hard to win this title. Just look at Manchester City they were the best team of Europe for the last 3 years now or so and they will have not won the CL. You also need luck to win it.

Luck is not something concrete to talk about.

You cannot take it as a parameter though , september are indeed a nightmare for bayern ... that's why there is a rumor that tuchel prepared to take this job or he might take the old lady juventus job as allegri might be in danger  to leave the club . Anybody interested in betting for the next manager to be fired?

It's really interesting to see what the future holds for Julian Nagelsmann and Allegri, which so far the performance of Bayern and Juventus
has decreased significantly compared to the previous season. So the rumors of Thomas Tuchel replacing Nagelsmann or Allegri are getting bigger,
I agree with you we will see October to be the fate of the two coaches. If during October there is no increase performance, it is likely that there
will be dismissals.

I really hope that Nagelsmann and Allegri can improve the performance of their respective teams, but I am still optimistic that Nagelsmann
can improve Bayern's performance, because Bayern are playing quite well in the Champions League. So there is still hope that Bayern's performance
will get better in the Bundesliga. Very different from what happened at Juventus, where Juventus not only played badly in Serie A,
but Juventus performance in the Champions League was also very disappointing. So indeed the chance of Allegri being fired is very large,
after all it seems very suitable if Tuchel becomes Juventus coach. Moreover, there are several Juventus players who have worked with Tuchel at PSG,
it will make it easier for Tuchel to adapt at Juventus.

[Lordhermes]

Nagelsmann doesn’t need to worry too much yet. Bayern will probably still win the league despite their bad form. There’s only really Dortmund as a proper competitor & they have lots of young players who could choke as the season goes on. Bayern know how to win the big trophies, they have a lot of players with bog experience.

The problem is that with such an uncertain performance, Bayern could once again miss out on the Champions League title. Last season, Bayern also looked great from the start (and in the Bundesliga too) - they scored a lot of goals but also conceded a lot. The pattern is repeating this season, with Bayern risking get an inconvenient/lucky Champions League opponent and be knockouted early on.

Bayern will certainly pick form,but we can also assume that the absence of Lewandowski is now having effect on their team,because Lewandowski was so instrumental to the success of Bayern that they will continue to miss him at his absent.He was replaced by Mane whose impact is also now felt by Liverpool.I still think the league has not gotten anywhere yet for us to conclude that Bayern will not meet up this season,things can just change and they will start winning matches again and they will win the tittle again.

[shogun47]

The problem is that with such an uncertain performance, Bayern could once again miss out on the Champions League title. Last season, Bayern also looked great from the start (and in the Bundesliga too) - they scored a lot of goals but also conceded a lot. The pattern is repeating this season, with Bayern risking get an inconvenient/lucky Champions League opponent and be knockouted early on.

Well the good thing is that we are still so early in this season, so i would say it is way better to have a series of bad results and maybe even a bad performance now then later in the season in april and may when the very big and very important games are played in the playoff round of the Champions League.
That being said, i think it is highly likely that Bayern will miss out on the Champions League title this year. Not because they are bad, i think they are one of the big favorites, but still it is just so hard to win this title. Just look at Manchester City they were the best team of Europe for the last 3 years now or so and they will have not won the CL. You also need luck to win it.

Luck is not something concrete to talk about.

You cannot take it as a parameter though , september are indeed a nightmare for bayern ... that's why there is a rumor that tuchel prepared to take this job or he might take the old lady juventus job as allegri might be in danger  to leave the club . Anybody interested in betting for the next manager to be fired?

It's really interesting to see what the future holds for Julian Nagelsmann and Allegri, which so far the performance of Bayern and Juventus
has decreased significantly compared to the previous season. So the rumors of Thomas Tuchel replacing Nagelsmann or Allegri are getting bigger,
I agree with you we will see October to be the fate of the two coaches. If during October there is no increase performance, it is likely that there
will be dismissals.

I really hope that Nagelsmann and Allegri can improve the performance of their respective teams, but I am still optimistic that Nagelsmann
can improve Bayern's performance, because Bayern are playing quite well in the Champions League. So there is still hope that Bayern's performance
will get better in the Bundesliga. Very different from what happened at Juventus, where Juventus not only played badly in Serie A,
but Juventus performance in the Champions League was also very disappointing. So indeed the chance of Allegri being fired is very large,
after all it seems very suitable if Tuchel becomes Juventus coach. Moreover, there are several Juventus players who have worked with Tuchel at PSG,
it will make it easier for Tuchel to adapt at Juventus.

Bayern's game against Barcelona wasn't that strong in my opinion and it was a lucky win in the end. Barcelona was the better team but less efficient obviously.

Every game when Bayern doesn't score the issue about Lewandowski will be raised, but I am not sure whether that is always the appropriate discussion. I do still think that they are going to win the Bundesliga after 34 games.

Now what options do they have if they really wanted to sign a new offender? Try to get a player during the Winter break? That doesn't seem to make sense as there won't be the type pf player available that Bayern could quickly integrate and the player must also be allowed to play in the Champions League. They need to fix their problems with the players that are now available and I would say that it is possible. There is still enough offensive power.

[makishart]

Nagelsmann doesn’t need to worry too much yet. Bayern will probably still win the league despite their bad form. There’s only really Dortmund as a proper competitor & they have lots of young players who could choke as the season goes on. Bayern know how to win the big trophies, they have a lot of players with bog experience.

I agree but still how patient will be the management from Bayern Munich if they continue to drop points in the bundesliga. But no doubt that he is an excellent coach. I think Bayern will win next few matches for sure and would be back on the road to win the bundesliga easily like the years before

I hope so but we can only seeing the result. if bayern will not do that so well and this gonna be a big problem for bayern in bundesliga. The gap to the union in the first position will be so big and it will be so hard to surpass it even if we are still too far from the end of season but i think that having big gap is not a good thing anymore for bayern or will we get a new winner for this season? union seems doing pretty well for sure during a few last matches.
This gonna be the competition between union and dortmund

[BALIK]

I doubt that Man Utd don't need Ronaldo anymore, as far as this season is concerned, there will weeks after weeks where he'd be required to lead the squad attacking line, and that could even be as early as after the international break during the Manchester Derby, Rashford, in whom Erik Ten Haag seemed to have trusted to fill that position has reportedly taken a knock which could keep him on the sidelines on that day, while Anthony still remains unavailable too, so Ronaldo could be the best option for them going forward. I understand the fact that he's pretty much on a high wage deal, but Ronaldo have remained professional enough in the game his being on the bench, cheer the team up and not giving unnecessary negative gestures.

You have said correctly everything they need to know, read and hear, Ronaldo raised the standard's at Manchester United, he was also surprised at the drop in standard. Both Paul Pogba and Ronaldo had a face to face dialogue about the performance of Manchester United with Ralf Ragnick but all didn't go well coz of the absence of Harry Maguire being Captain.

All this hate talks wouldn't have occurred if Ronaldo moved to Manchester City last season, I look back and I'm not pleased the move failed. United fans has big dreams season after season but they shouldn't forget he had a better tile to them position last season.

Ronaldo would have been the one scoring all the goals Erling Haaland's currently scoring and there will be no doubts about his form... A goal machine, it's just that Manchester United are not creating chances as Manchester City are doing, do you know Ronaldo still better that a 20year old Striker ? Cook the ball and pass the ball to him! Is that too difficult ?

Harkorede, currently, it is understandable why people think that Cristiano Ronaldo is no longer necessary for Manchester United as a player. It is because Manchester United have been able to get good results without him.

However, I do not believe that Manchester United will be able to continue performing well. I also agree that even if a player like Cristiano Ronaldo is on the bench, he is still not doing anything to negatively impact the team. It is just a matter of waiting for the right moment to arise when he will have the opportunity to prove himself once again. It would have been better for Cristiano Ronaldo if he was in another team, but right now he cannot do anything else, to be honest.


@Oluwa-btc, It is obviously quite certain that if Cristiano Ronaldo moved to Manchester City, he could have done a lot better compared to what he is doing right now at Manchester United. And I am also sure that he would still be a regular player at Manchester City. Which he is not at Manchester United right now. Really dumb decisions for his career I would say.

[Harkorede]

I doubt that Man Utd don't need Ronaldo anymore, as far as this season is concerned, there will weeks after weeks where he'd be required to lead the squad attacking line, and that could even be as early as after the international break during the Manchester Derby, Rashford, in whom Erik Ten Haag seemed to have trusted to fill that position has reportedly taken a knock which could keep him on the sidelines on that day, while Anthony still remains unavailable too, so Ronaldo could be the best option for them going forward. I understand the fact that he's pretty much on a high wage deal, but Ronaldo have remained professional enough in the game his being on the bench, cheer the team up and not giving unnecessary negative gestures.

You have said correctly everything they need to know, read and hear, Ronaldo raised the standard's at Manchester United, he was also surprised at the drop in standard. Both Paul Pogba and Ronaldo had a face to face dialogue about the performance of Manchester United with Ralf Ragnick but all didn't go well coz of the absence of Harry Maguire being Captain.

All this hate talks wouldn't have occurred if Ronaldo moved to Manchester City last season, I look back and I'm not pleased the move failed. United fans has big dreams season after season but they shouldn't forget he had a better tile to them position last season.

Ronaldo would have been the one scoring all the goals Erling Haaland's currently scoring and there will be no doubts about his form... A goal machine, it's just that Manchester United are not creating chances as Manchester City are doing, do you know Ronaldo still better that a 20year old Striker ? Cook the ball and pass the ball to him! Is that too difficult ?

Harkorede, currently, it is understandable why people think that Cristiano Ronaldo is no longer necessary for Manchester United as a player. It is because Manchester United have been able to get good results without him.

However, I do not believe that Manchester United will be able to continue performing well. I also agree that even if a player like Cristiano Ronaldo is on the bench, he is still not doing anything to negatively impact the team. It is just a matter of waiting for the right moment to arise when he will have the opportunity to prove himself once again. It would have been better for Cristiano Ronaldo if he was in another team, but right now he cannot do anything else, to be honest.


@Oluwa-btc, It is obviously quite certain that if Cristiano Ronaldo moved to Manchester City, he could have done a lot better compared to what he is doing right now at Manchester United. And I am also sure that he would still be a regular player at Manchester City. Which he is not at Manchester United right now. Really dumb decisions for his career I would say.

It is okay to assume that Ronaldo have not been the solution to Man United's problem, but neither as he been one of Man Utd's problems in my opinion, there's an absolute importance for the coach to build the team around younger players because eventually Ronaldo is drastically heading towards the finals years of his career, this winter World Cup definitely is likely going to be the last one for him in the Portugal's shirt too, so if Ten Haag believes he'd rather build his team around the up and coming young stars, that's totally fine, but he just needs to understand that Ronaldo is still fully fit and willing to compete at the highest level, so he shouldn't hang him out to dry, as that might the lead to a bigger problem for him as the coach too.

[TopT3ns]

Bayern will certainly pick form,but we can also assume that the absence of Lewandowski is now having effect on their team,because Lewandowski was so instrumental to the success of Bayern that they will continue to miss him at his absent.He was replaced by Mane whose impact is also now felt by Liverpool.I still think the league has not gotten anywhere yet for us to conclude that Bayern will not meet up this season,things can just change and they will start winning matches again and they will win the tittle again.

Robert Lewandowski shouldn't be an important problem for Bayern Munich, because they've got high scores without relying on Robert Lewandowski, so with Mane they should be able to adapt to new players and try to work as a team well to be able to shoot on goal and score. goals, in fact the game of football is not dominated by only one person but requires excellent teamwork.

[SirLancelot]

I read an article online where the Bayern Munich management team came out to clearify this rumour and said that they are fine with the current coach and have no intention of patting ways with Nagelsmann. However, if that eventually be the case in near future,  Thomas Tuchel I know will do very well with the Bayern Munich team, he was there with Brussia Dutmornd before and did well and therefore this is not gonna be a new environment to him before he could starts catching up.

It’s quite normal for a Club Management to come out and back the coach when he’s underperforming. They can’t say otherwise because it’s the press. Deep down we know that the management isn’t on good terms with Nagelsmann. They know he’s not doing a good even though he managed to win the Champions league games against Inter Milan and Barcelona. Thomas Tuchel’s at the corner waiting for this job. I know Nagelsmann has few chances to prove himself before the board finally takes a decision.

I feel like they could say he is doing fine but then fire him anyway and nothing would happen to them to be fair. I believe that the best thing to do would be not really be sure about is job, he should start winning games asap and if he ends up with winning a lot of games back to back then it would be great for him and he won't be fired.

But, if he keeps on losing points on bundesliga, it is going to be hard to keep him there, management would be forced to fire him and it is going to be hard to replace him now as well, so they will have to get an interim manager until the end of the season and hope that the interim one would manage to get them the title.

[hashrateproducts]

Robert Lewandowski shouldn't be an important problem for Bayern Munich, because they've got high scores without relying on Robert Lewandowski, so with Mane they should be able to adapt to new players and try to work as a team well to be able to shoot on goal and score. goals, in fact the game of football is not dominated by only one person but requires excellent teamwork.

Robert Lewandowski is one of the best striker Bayern Munich have and letting him go really affected them. But I know that the bavarians are having a hard time winning games but the boss, Julian Nagelsmann still have some promising youngsters that will do well for the club in the future. Musiala is one of the tough player in the club and his form have improved massively and also his value in the market pumped overnight to €80m. The club will be in a better shape sooner that I know.

[Davidvictorson]

But, if he keeps on losing points on bundesliga, it is going to be hard to keep him there, management would be forced to fire him and it is going to be hard to replace him now as well, so they will have to get an interim manager until the end of the season and hope that the interim one would manage to get them the title.

I had the same thought as you. Bayern is now in fifth place with 12 points after 1 defeat, 3 draws, and 1 victory. Even if the administration claims to have no problems with Julian Nagelsmann. However, I believe that if the team keeps on recording draws and losses, Nagelsmann's head will roll. Do you believe the management will continue back him even if he is in seventh place? In my opinion, no.

[makishart]

Nagelsmann doesn’t need to worry too much yet. Bayern will probably still win the league despite their bad form. There’s only really Dortmund as a proper competitor & they have lots of young players who could choke as the season goes on. Bayern know how to win the big trophies, they have a lot of players with bog experience.

The problem is that with such an uncertain performance, Bayern could once again miss out on the Champions League title. Last season, Bayern also looked great from the start (and in the Bundesliga too) - they scored a lot of goals but also conceded a lot. The pattern is repeating this season, with Bayern risking get an inconvenient/lucky Champions League opponent and be knockouted early on.

The performance from bayern was always going up and then going down. This makes the result from the main still remain a big question whether bayern can win the match or not. Im amaze with the result of bayern in the champion league but it's not for the bundesliga. This time bayern was under union and dortmund. It may possible for bayern to go to the bottom more than the current position. Bayern is not in a good position for now in the bundesliga.
I think this gonna be a problem for the team when it unable to manage joined in the top 4