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January 28, 2018, 09:04:34 AM |
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A personal note now that the dust has settled and we are dealing with the aftermath of yesterday's events.
We should credit Monero core dev community the fact that they justify our frustration and have expressed their clear and in writing disagreement (on reddit / links available in private) with the course of action taken by a solitary Monero code contributor concerning our github repo DMCA takedown.
He was legally right but his actions place a dark cloud above any open source project and a fear to all developers that their repo could be shut down for unintentionally misstating the open source copyright notices without prior developer to developer communication. (we have stated all over, since day 1, that Sumokoin is a Monero fork, both here and on our repo so our intentions cannot be challenged)
It's up to core Monero Project collaborators though to regulate their community and protect the open source spirit.
Despite our various disagreements and despite the slander exchanged between both communities, there is a clearly expressed and agreed will for coexistance and better official communication in the future and on all subjects
In the meantime, we move on as per schedule
Regarding the repo, I personally see three options
1. We stay on gitlab and continue development there
2. The takedown is lifted and we reinstate our previous repo
3. We make a new repo on github since now our open source copyright notices are amended
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LilBitcoin
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January 28, 2018, 10:10:59 AM |
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I already bought 3K new sumo, this just shows how scared Monero is, now SUMO community is stronger than ever.
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BOSS2220
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January 28, 2018, 10:16:23 AM |
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I already bought 3K new sumo, this just shows how scared Monero is, now SUMO community is stronger than ever.
Good! But how will apprehend other coin investors unclear. The coin rate continues to fall |
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January 28, 2018, 10:16:38 AM |
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Hey, can someone please explain what may be the consequence for Sumo regarding this DMCA file?
No consequences at all. It's a formal issue that I assume will be fixed soon. It just demonstrated toxicity and corporate approach of monero development. It would be no wonder if people run away from such a hostile coin to an alternatives like sumo&co that are true open-source. This idiotic approach monero demonstrated show its fear. The whole thing could have been discussed via email. Are they afraid of quality forks? Aeon that is a copycat and has one but the only dev is coming from monero, therefore no prob although it's code and copyright is a mess.. Now bytecoin will behave in a same way and block monero? I seriously don't get this.. My 2 cents - open-source was a vehicle for crypto launch but as soon as money came to play people are behaving like asses and are forgetting that code is free and everyone can use it, enhance and share.. Kids, don't take the game so seriously. You can't escape alive  Stop blaming other projects if you did the wrong thing... doesn't matter if things could have been resolved via email, issue or whatever ... THING IS THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BE AN ISSUE AT ALL... abide the rules and give copyright where its due ... As you copy&pasted everything else, why didn't you just add a file for Sumocoin and let the old stuff as it was ... you even deleted cryptonote-devs out ... they could blame you too... stop attacking the messenger I see you stealthily deleted the cryptonote mention 1. Cryptonote copyright was always there check the code again. (# Parts of this file are originally copyright (c) 2012-2013 The Cryptonote developers) - And since it was there all the time sumoshi didnt mention it on his post 2. Well obviously it doesnt matter to you monero devs that these things can be resolved via issue on git or email. Like this poor guy did when you unintentionaly infringed his code when Monero was still a young coin https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/1083. A claimant is not a messanger, a claimant is a claimant Edit: I ve just stealthily deleted the irony  I checked gitlab too, so i decided to delete the cryptonote message. 2. someone was contacted in your telegram, that guy should have known how to reach out to you. So some sort of contact was done... and like i said elsewhere ... you only had to add your credentials below... README.md was a Copy&Paste Job ... and you ACTIVELY altered that copy&paste thing... you could just have added your copyright below what already was in that README.md . Also defending with another wrong doesn't make ones wrong better... thats kindergarten reasoning. |
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sumogr
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January 28, 2018, 10:26:29 AM |
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Hey, can someone please explain what may be the consequence for Sumo regarding this DMCA file?
No consequences at all. It's a formal issue that I assume will be fixed soon. It just demonstrated toxicity and corporate approach of monero development. It would be no wonder if people run away from such a hostile coin to an alternatives like sumo&co that are true open-source. This idiotic approach monero demonstrated show its fear. The whole thing could have been discussed via email. Are they afraid of quality forks? Aeon that is a copycat and has one but the only dev is coming from monero, therefore no prob although it's code and copyright is a mess.. Now bytecoin will behave in a same way and block monero? I seriously don't get this.. My 2 cents - open-source was a vehicle for crypto launch but as soon as money came to play people are behaving like asses and are forgetting that code is free and everyone can use it, enhance and share.. Kids, don't take the game so seriously. You can't escape alive Stop blaming other projects if you did the wrong thing... doesn't matter if things could have been resolved via email, issue or whatever ... THING IS THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BE AN ISSUE AT ALL... abide the rules and give copyright where its due ... As you copy&pasted everything else, why didn't you just add a file for Sumocoin and let the old stuff as it was ... you even deleted cryptonote-devs out ... they could blame you too... stop attacking the messenger I see you stealthily deleted the cryptonote mention 1. Cryptonote copyright was always there check the code again. (# Parts of this file are originally copyright (c) 2012-2013 The Cryptonote developers) - And since it was there all the time sumoshi didnt mention it on his post 2. Well obviously it doesnt matter to you monero devs that these things can be resolved via issue on git or email. Like this poor guy did when you unintentionaly infringed his code when Monero was still a young coin https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/1083. A claimant is not a messanger, a claimant is a claimant Edit: I ve just stealthily deleted the irony I checked gitlab too, so i decided to delete the cryptonote message. 2. someone was contacted in your telegram, that guy should have known how to reach out to you. So some sort of contact was done... and like i said elsewhere ... you only had to add your credentials below... README.md was a Copy&Paste Job ... and you ACTIVELY altered that copy&paste thing... you could just have added your copyright below what already was in that README.md . Also defending with another wrong doesn't make ones wrong better... thats kindergarten reasoning. 1. ok about this no hard feelings 2. A random guy who picked up a conversation on Monero's irc indeed alerted by making a post on telegram but like any other coin's telegram channel there is a rate of 1000/hour "when lambo" and "when moon" posts so actual info is hard to be processed there. The actual contributor that filed the report alerted noone neither by opening an issue like its standard practice in open source or at least send an email to the email address mentioned on our repo. Indeed it was just a copy paste job and we would have immediately done it if we were informed properly like we did already. Such things and mistakes happen every day in open source developing and 99.999% of the time are solved amicably via proper dev to dev communication. I am glad that the core Monero community justifies our frustration and we totaly agree with the suggestion to open official communication channels to avoid such issues in the future. Despite the things that separate us and the overzealous community's slandering (which is a normal thing) there are more things that connect us. So lets move on |
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January 28, 2018, 02:11:37 PM |
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Hey, can someone please explain what may be the consequence for Sumo regarding this DMCA file?
No consequences at all. It's a formal issue that I assume will be fixed soon. It just demonstrated toxicity and corporate approach of monero development. It would be no wonder if people run away from such a hostile coin to an alternatives like sumo&co that are true open-source. This idiotic approach monero demonstrated show its fear. The whole thing could have been discussed via email. Are they afraid of quality forks? Aeon that is a copycat and has one but the only dev is coming from monero, therefore no prob although it's code and copyright is a mess.. Now bytecoin will behave in a same way and block monero? I seriously don't get this.. My 2 cents - open-source was a vehicle for crypto launch but as soon as money came to play people are behaving like asses and are forgetting that code is free and everyone can use it, enhance and share.. Kids, don't take the game so seriously. You can't escape alive Stop blaming other projects if you did the wrong thing... doesn't matter if things could have been resolved via email, issue or whatever ... THING IS THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BE AN ISSUE AT ALL... abide the rules and give copyright where its due ... As you copy&pasted everything else, why didn't you just add a file for Sumocoin and let the old stuff as it was ... you even deleted cryptonote-devs out ... they could blame you too... stop attacking the messenger I see you stealthily deleted the cryptonote mention 1. Cryptonote copyright was always there check the code again. (# Parts of this file are originally copyright (c) 2012-2013 The Cryptonote developers) - And since it was there all the time sumoshi didnt mention it on his post 2. Well obviously it doesnt matter to you monero devs that these things can be resolved via issue on git or email. Like this poor guy did when you unintentionaly infringed his code when Monero was still a young coin https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/1083. A claimant is not a messanger, a claimant is a claimant Edit: I ve just stealthily deleted the irony I checked gitlab too, so i decided to delete the cryptonote message. 2. someone was contacted in your telegram, that guy should have known how to reach out to you. So some sort of contact was done... and like i said elsewhere ... you only had to add your credentials below... README.md was a Copy&Paste Job ... and you ACTIVELY altered that copy&paste thing... you could just have added your copyright below what already was in that README.md . Also defending with another wrong doesn't make ones wrong better... thats kindergarten reasoning. 1. ok about this no hard feelings 2. A random guy who picked up a conversation on Monero's irc indeed alerted by making a post on telegram but like any other coin's telegram channel there is a rate of 1000/hour "when lambo" and "when moon" posts so actual info is hard to be processed there. The actual contributor that filed the report alerted noone neither by opening an issue like its standard practice in open source or at least send an email to the email address mentioned on our repo. Indeed it was just a copy paste job and we would have immediately done it if we were informed properly like we did already. Such things and mistakes happen every day in open source developing and 99.999% of the time are solved amicably via proper dev to dev communication. I am glad that the core Monero community justifies our frustration and we totaly agree with the suggestion to open official communication channels to avoid such issues in the future. Despite the things that separate us and the overzealous community's slandering (which is a normal thing) there are more things that connect us. So lets move on Time to forge our own future now. Why stay in the shadows of Monero? The community has grown to the extent that if desired, we could take a different route going forward. |
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Germining
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January 28, 2018, 02:14:38 PM |
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We are about to do that exact thing at the moment.
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January 28, 2018, 03:08:01 PM |
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Sumokoin will only come back stronger than before, clearly differentiated from XMR. Dust will settle and we move on!
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January 28, 2018, 06:14:01 PM |
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DMCA Takedown to Sumokoin GithubGuys, as you may already know, in an sudden move, a dev from The Monero Project filed a DMCA to take down Sumokoin's git hosted at Github without prior notice. To meet the requirements, we'd already amended copyright notices but they disagreed with some copyright dates where we only add the copyright notices to files we had modified as follows: Copyright (c) 2017, SUMOKOIN Copyright (c) 2014 - 2017, The Monero Project Please note that we'd referred to "The Monero Project" at all files before, yet that appeared not enough to some devs there. While they have the right to correct copyright claim at any file they contributed code to, we expected a different approach to resolve disputes (via Issue submission or direct emailing to our devs). DMCA takedown should be the last one to do, I believe, especially for a project under a liberal license and having some noble missions. For now, we temporarily moved our source code to GitLab: https://gitlab.com/Sumoprojects/sumokoinThe case is being discussed by community at Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7tboly/can_we_get_a_clarification_from_monero_devs_on/Sorry for any inconvenience. Break all ties with Monero. And make an official announcement Maybe, SUMOKOIN Dev should wonder why the Monero Project have taken this step. You can't pretend to be the author and hope nothing happens. As 99.9 % is copyright Monero, they are right to demand that. Copyright is MONERO, especially on the files SUMOKOIN DEV never touched. It always comes back and bites you in the ... |
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Germining
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January 28, 2018, 07:12:05 PM |
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Enough now! We talk about a formal mistake here. Not no credits at all!
Don't give people the impression there was no credit. This is wrong.
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CyberTrader
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January 28, 2018, 07:29:01 PM |
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Enough now! We talk about a formal mistake here. Not no credits at all!
Don't give people the impression there was no credit. This is wrong.
Absolutely, SUMOKOIN dev have repeatedly emphasized that SUMOKOIN is based on MONERO. I agree with you there. It wasn't my intention to "create" that impression. It's just a formal matter and they shouldn't have changed the copyright notice in violation of the license. |
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Germining
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January 28, 2018, 07:43:57 PM |
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They should have done better, there's no way around it... But imho: It is a small issue. It was made big with the takedown of the repo. If it was done by issue, nobody would talk about it now. We will move on. The year has just begun |
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roberval123
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January 29, 2018, 12:40:52 AM |
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Devs,
Can we work on a new roadmap for 2018?
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d3athgu1s3
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January 29, 2018, 06:32:28 AM |
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Devs,
Can we work on a new roadmap for 2018?
There's all other issue here and you are still on with roadmap? It will come when it is ready. |
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Islapdonkey
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January 29, 2018, 08:35:49 AM |
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Regardless of how the community feels about it, the individual from Monero had every right to do what he did. As for those yapping about this aiding sumo to escape monero's shadow  stop it. Sumokoin will always be under Monero's shadow just as PIVX will always be under Dash. Regardless of how much you grow, you will always be your father's son. Just be happy with the free publicity. |
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sumogr
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January 29, 2018, 02:10:22 PM |
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Core devs have fixed the first from day 1 and the second will never happen cause Sumokoin has a different genesis_hash from Monero The check code will be removed though just to clean up and avoid further confusion So no worries there! However thank you for notifying! |
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CyberTrader
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January 29, 2018, 03:02:34 PM |
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Core devs have fixed the first from day 1 and the second will never happen cause Sumokoin has a different genesis_hash from Monero The check code will be removed though just to clean up and avoid further confusion So no worries there! However thank you for notifying! No worries...thx for the quick reply. |
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Mattthev
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January 29, 2018, 04:55:29 PM |
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Regardless of how the community feels about it, the individual from Monero had every right to do what he did. As for those yapping about this aiding sumo to escape monero's shadow stop it. Sumokoin will always be under Monero's shadow just as PIVX will always be under Dash. Regardless of how much you grow, you will always be your father's son. Just be happy with the free publicity. Agree, but they can both cooperate pretty nice. Not like with ETN  |
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