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[Aris_Eng]

No, they did not contact us.

Ok mate, I'll try to reach out to Fluffy, see if he responds.

[1715477190]

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[Germining]

Don't... this is not to be solved with him. He doesn't like Sumo. Don't waste your time.

[Aris_Eng]

Don't... this is not to be solved with him. He doesn't like Sumo. Don't waste your time.

No worries mate, chances are he will not respond anyway, but don't see it as a waste of time.

[RntMC]

Hey, can someone please explain what may be the consequence for Sumo regarding this DMCA file?

[h0g0f0g0]

Hey, can someone please explain what may be the consequence for Sumo regarding this DMCA file?

No consequences at all. It's a formal issue that I assume will be fixed soon.
It just demonstrated toxicity and corporate approach of monero development. It would be no wonder if people run away from such a hostile coin to an alternatives like sumo&co that are true open-source.

This idiotic approach monero demonstrated show its fear. The whole thing could have been discussed via email. Are they afraid of quality forks? Aeon that is a copycat and has one but the only dev is coming from monero, therefore no prob although it's code and copyright is a mess.. Now bytecoin will behave in a same way and block monero? I seriously don't get this..
My 2 cents - open-source was a vehicle for crypto launch but as soon as money came to play people are behaving like asses and are forgetting that code is free and everyone can use it, enhance and share.. Kids, don't take the game so seriously. You can't escape alive

[sumoshi]

DMCA Takedown to Sumokoin Github

Guys, as you may already know, in an sudden move, a dev from The Monero Project filed a DMCA to take down Sumokoin's git hosted at Github without prior notice.

To meet the requirements, we'd already amended copyright notices but they disagreed with some copyright dates where we only add the copyright notices to files we had modified as follows:

Copyright (c) 2017, SUMOKOIN
Copyright (c) 2014 - 2017, The Monero Project

Please note that we'd referred to "The Monero Project" at all files before, yet that appeared not enough to some devs there. While they have the right to correct copyright claim at any file they contributed code to, we expected a different approach to resolve disputes (via Issue submission or direct emailing to our devs). DMCA takedown should be the last one to do, I believe, especially for a project under a liberal license and having some noble missions.

For now, we temporarily moved our source code to GitLab: https://gitlab.com/Sumoprojects/sumokoin

The case is being discussed by community at Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7tboly/can_we_get_a_clarification_from_monero_devs_on/

Sorry for any inconvenience.

[bitcoingue]

Maybe the guy wanted sumos at discount price 

[DaveyJones]

Hey, can someone please explain what may be the consequence for Sumo regarding this DMCA file?

No consequences at all. It's a formal issue that I assume will be fixed soon.
It just demonstrated toxicity and corporate approach of monero development. It would be no wonder if people run away from such a hostile coin to an alternatives like sumo&co that are true open-source.

This idiotic approach monero demonstrated show its fear. The whole thing could have been discussed via email. Are they afraid of quality forks? Aeon that is a copycat and has one but the only dev is coming from monero, therefore no prob although it's code and copyright is a mess.. Now bytecoin will behave in a same way and block monero? I seriously don't get this..
My 2 cents - open-source was a vehicle for crypto launch but as soon as money came to play people are behaving like asses and are forgetting that code is free and everyone can use it, enhance and share.. Kids, don't take the game so seriously. You can't escape alive

Stop blaming other projects if you did the wrong thing... doesn't matter if things could have been resolved via email, issue or whatever ... THING IS THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BE AN ISSUE AT ALL... abide the rules and give copyright where its due ...

As you copy&pasted everything else, why didn't you just add a file for Sumocoin and let the old stuff as it was ... you even deleted cryptonote-devs out ... they could blame you too... stop attacking the messenger

[Germining]

You are right. It never should have been an issue. Mistakes have been made. They problems could have been solved in a calm way instead of blowing up the dmca bomb.

[sumogr]

Hey, can someone please explain what may be the consequence for Sumo regarding this DMCA file?

No consequences at all. It's a formal issue that I assume will be fixed soon.
It just demonstrated toxicity and corporate approach of monero development. It would be no wonder if people run away from such a hostile coin to an alternatives like sumo&co that are true open-source.

This idiotic approach monero demonstrated show its fear. The whole thing could have been discussed via email. Are they afraid of quality forks? Aeon that is a copycat and has one but the only dev is coming from monero, therefore no prob although it's code and copyright is a mess.. Now bytecoin will behave in a same way and block monero? I seriously don't get this..
My 2 cents - open-source was a vehicle for crypto launch but as soon as money came to play people are behaving like asses and are forgetting that code is free and everyone can use it, enhance and share.. Kids, don't take the game so seriously. You can't escape alive

Stop blaming other projects if you did the wrong thing... doesn't matter if things could have been resolved via email, issue or whatever ... THING IS THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BE AN ISSUE AT ALL... abide the rules and give copyright where its due ...

As you copy&pasted everything else, why didn't you just add a file for Sumocoin and let the old stuff as it was ... you even deleted cryptonote-devs out ... they could blame you too... stop attacking the messenger

I see you stealthily deleted the cryptonote mention

1. Cryptonote copyright was always there check the code again. (# Parts of this file are originally copyright (c) 2012-2013 The Cryptonote developers) - And since it was there all the time sumoshi didnt mention it on his post
2. Well obviously it doesnt matter to you monero devs that these things can be resolved via issue on git or email. Like this poor guy did
when you unintentionaly infringed his code when Monero was still a young coin https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/108
3. A claimant is not a messanger, a claimant is a claimant

Edit: I ve just stealthily deleted the irony

[h0g0f0g0]

Things were never an issue. And I am blaming monero for acting as a 5 years old child.

SUMO never tried to hide the fact that it is a monero fork. And paid respect to project as much as possible. If they had rewritten the copyright - so be it. It's not a rocket science to ask them to fix it..
Personally if I would fork a coin I would probably make the same mistake...

We've seen trolls here, cheerleader-poetry style attacks and various price pushes on topia. Now this. Good sign this project has a bright future. Thanks for making the dip ))

[SumoSnake]

The way they've handled the situation calls for a divorce and no alimony payments to be made.  Acknowledge the past, but it's time for a separate future.

[Wekkel]

The Monero claimant should be kicked out of the Monero project. Whiners instead of bridge builders have no place in private civil society. Of course, this is different if reasonable efforts were made to have the copyright notice changed before the claim was made.

[sumogr]

The Monero claimant should be kicked out of the Monero project. Whiners instead of bridge builders have no place in private civil society. Of course, this is different if reasonable efforts were made to have the copyright notice changed before the claim was made.

I couldnt agree more but this is actually Monero project's decision to discuss and make.
If reasonable efforts were made everyone would have noticed them on our git (an issue) or the email would have been posted by the claimant and we would have lowered our heads, accept the takedown and shut our mouths. This is the actual issue here, the reasonable efforts before a legal action against another open source project. The claimant unknowingly challenged the libertarianism of the open source movement.

[warda1989]

very interesting project, but I'm still waiting for more promotion plans for this project and also can you give some link of your bounty in this thread 

[roberval123]

Devs,

I love SUMO, have been mining since the beginning. I think this is the PERFECT time to start branching out of Monero's wing and going or OWN thing. The community is strong enough that we can start doing things differently instead of just adopting whatever Monero does. This would not only differentiate SUMO but also Monero people would stop calling us copycats.

[Aris_Eng]

Don't... this is not to be solved with him. He doesn't like Sumo. Don't waste your time.

No worries mate, chances are he will not respond anyway, but don't see it as a waste of time.

Ok, so I briefly spoke with Fluffy on twitter. He said that "....I certainly have no ability to speak for the ~340 contributors who have worked on Monero."
This doesn't mean that the Monero team had no knowledge of the DMCA, but you can "reasonably argue" that in a decentralized currency / community / project, every code contributor can act ....stupid in this case.

Long story short, my advice would be take the free publicity that this one individual just gave you, and be "the better man" here, stop blaming them. While newbies only care about price, the long standing community appreciates character and judges based on ethics.

Also, as a disclaimer, I hold (very little) from both currencies, so I have nothing to gain from supporting one team over the other, I like both.

Cheers,

[--Serena--]

Don't... this is not to be solved with him. He doesn't like Sumo. Don't waste your time.

No worries mate, chances are he will not respond anyway, but don't see it as a waste of time.

Ok, so I briefly spoke with Fluffy on twitter. He said that "....I certainly have no ability to speak for the ~340 contributors who have worked on Monero."
This doesn't mean that the Monero team had no knowledge of the DMCA, but you can "reasonably argue" that in a decentralized currency / community / project, every code contributor can act ....stupid in this case.

Long story short, my advice would be take the free publicity that this one individual just gave you, and be "the better man" here, stop blaming them. While newbies only care about price, the long standing community appreciates character and judges based on ethics.

Also, as a disclaimer, I hold (very little) from both currencies, so I have nothing to gain from supporting one team over the other, I like both.

Cheers,

I like both as well, however, Monero's community seems to be becoming more toxic all the time. I hold a very small amount of Monero but I stopped following their communities.

[RogFed]

DMCA Takedown to Sumokoin Github

Guys, as you may already know, in an sudden move, a dev from The Monero Project filed a DMCA to take down Sumokoin's git hosted at Github without prior notice.

To meet the requirements, we'd already amended copyright notices but they disagreed with some copyright dates where we only add the copyright notices to files we had modified as follows:

Copyright (c) 2017, SUMOKOIN
Copyright (c) 2014 - 2017, The Monero Project

Please note that we'd referred to "The Monero Project" at all files before, yet that appeared not enough to some devs there. While they have the right to correct copyright claim at any file they contributed code to, we expected a different approach to resolve disputes (via Issue submission or direct emailing to our devs). DMCA takedown should be the last one to do, I believe, especially for a project under a liberal license and having some noble missions.

For now, we temporarily moved our source code to GitLab: https://gitlab.com/Sumoprojects/sumokoin

The case is being discussed by community at Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7tboly/can_we_get_a_clarification_from_monero_devs_on/

Sorry for any inconvenience.

Break all ties with Monero.

And make an official announcement

[BOSS2220]

Break all ties with Monero.

And make an official announcement

It means admit defeat. Monero Developers not quite right about this issue. Then need half the crypto world recognize fake and infringing. Sumo Developers hold on your brainchild