[ANN] [SUMO] SUMOKOIN - 🔏 Digital Cash For Highly-Confidential Transactions 🔏

[Alejandur]

Thanks for the tutorial.

Does anybody know where to find the SumokoinWP (WooCommerce extension for accepting Sumokoin)? It was on Github but now it isn't.

https://github.com/sumoprojects/sumowoocommerce

Yeah! Thanks!

[Germining]

Are you going to use it?

[Alejandur]

Are you going to use it?

I would like to use it if I start selling online. But until this summer I won't have time.

Is there any step by step tutorial about how to use it? I'm a noob on the internet web development:D

[xiphon]

(Un)fairpool (yes I like to call them that because of their rediculous fees))

controlled around 90% of the total hashrate

Stop spreading the FUD.

[lmoe23]

how to mine this using CPU?

[Germining]

Use Sumo Easy Miner or xmr stack

[CyberTrader]

Hmmm...it seems a cheerleader is oblivious to the fact that just like most crypto project, Sumo is open source. Heck, it's literally a copy of Monero for chissake which is truly and idealistically an open source and decentralized project at its very core. That means it's anybody's business if they so choose to participate in whatever manner...unless, of course, the cheerleaders and their bosses are actually making this their own pet project for their own personal benefit in the guise of being open source to camouflage their true intention; and the rest of us are regarded by them as expendable. So when a cheerleader tell off a participant of their "supposedly" open source project to "mind his business" and stay away from their pet project, it's actually a Freudian slip of their true intention.

Cases in point:

1. The exorbitant Sumokoin premine of 10% of the coin supply (about 9 million coins thereby eventually enriching themselves)

2. cheerleaders behaving like a pack of rabid dogs ganging up senselessly on even the slightest of criticism of their pet project that would eventually enrich them like nobody's business.

@Visdude ... you should not say that here. The sumokoin folks don't like other people asking questions about the premine. Be careful... And question like
that will be met with the iron fist of FUD.

But you got to give the Sumokoin folks (if there is more than one) one thing... they did manage to pull it off... either for the sake of sumokoin or personal benefits.
Although there is one thing that's actually very true... they do need help. Commits on Sumokoin (core) are a scarce commodity and I would claim that maybe 99%
of the code base is identical to monero's code base (2016/2017 version). Some packages renamed, a few changes here and there...but if you use a good tool to compare both, you might be surprised.

https://github.com/sumoprojects/sumokoin/graphs/code-frequency

[SadBatman]

Hmmm...it seems a cheerleader is oblivious to the fact that just like most crypto project, Sumo is open source. Heck, it's literally a copy of Monero for chissake which is truly and idealistically an open source and decentralized project at its very core. That means it's anybody's business if they so choose to participate in whatever manner...unless, of course, the cheerleaders and their bosses are actually making this their own pet project for their own personal benefit in the guise of being open source to camouflage their true intention; and the rest of us are regarded by them as expendable. So when a cheerleader tell off a participant of their "supposedly" open source project to "mind his business" and stay away from their pet project, it's actually a Freudian slip of their true intention.

Cases in point:

1. The exorbitant Sumokoin premine of 10% of the coin supply (about 9 million coins thereby eventually enriching themselves)

2. cheerleaders behaving like a pack of rabid dogs ganging up senselessly on even the slightest of criticism of their pet project that would eventually enrich them like nobody's business.

@Visdude ... you should not say that here. The sumokoin folks don't like other people asking questions about the premine. Be careful... And question like
that will be met with the iron fist of FUD.

But you got to give the Sumokoin folks (if there is more than one) one thing... they did manage to pull it off... either for the sake of sumokoin or personal benefits.
Although there is one thing that's actually very true... they do need help. Commits on Sumokoin (core) are a scarce commodity and I would claim that maybe 99%
of the code base is identical to monero's code base (2016/2017 version). Some packages renamed, a few changes here and there...but if you use a good tool to compare both, you might be surprised.

https://github.com/sumoprojects/sumokoin/graphs/code-frequency

I think it's more than 99% but you don't see it in the code-frequency because a lot of changes to the monero code were incorporated in the initial commit on github.   This code frequency graph also doesn't show the work that is done on the other sumokoin repositories.

The devs favor doing development in their own branches and pulling big changes into the sumokoin code base.

[sumogr]

Hmmm...it seems a cheerleader is oblivious to the fact that just like most crypto project, Sumo is open source. Heck, it's literally a copy of Monero for chissake which is truly and idealistically an open source and decentralized project at its very core. That means it's anybody's business if they so choose to participate in whatever manner...unless, of course, the cheerleaders and their bosses are actually making this their own pet project for their own personal benefit in the guise of being open source to camouflage their true intention; and the rest of us are regarded by them as expendable. So when a cheerleader tell off a participant of their "supposedly" open source project to "mind his business" and stay away from their pet project, it's actually a Freudian slip of their true intention.

Cases in point:

1. The exorbitant Sumokoin premine of 10% of the coin supply (about 9 million coins thereby eventually enriching themselves)

2. cheerleaders behaving like a pack of rabid dogs ganging up senselessly on even the slightest of criticism of their pet project that would eventually enrich them like nobody's business.

@Visdude ... you should not say that here. The sumokoin folks don't like other people asking questions about the premine. Be careful... And question like
that will be met with the iron fist of FUD.

But you got to give the Sumokoin folks (if there is more than one) one thing... they did manage to pull it off... either for the sake of sumokoin or personal benefits.
Although there is one thing that's actually very true... they do need help. Commits on Sumokoin (core) are a scarce commodity and I would claim that maybe 99%
of the code base is identical to monero's code base (2016/2017 version). Some packages renamed, a few changes here and there...but if you use a good tool to compare both, you might be surprised.

https://github.com/sumoprojects/sumokoin/graphs/code-frequency

I think it's more than 99% but you don't see it in the code-frequency because a lot of changes to the monero code were incorporated in the initial commit on github.   This code frequency graph also doesn't show the work that is done on the other sumokoin repositories.

The devs favor doing development in their own branches and pulling big changes into the sumokoin code base.

The prodigal son Nice to see you here Niels

[CyberTrader]

Hmmm...it seems a cheerleader is oblivious to the fact that just like most crypto project, Sumo is open source. Heck, it's literally a copy of Monero for chissake which is truly and idealistically an open source and decentralized project at its very core. That means it's anybody's business if they so choose to participate in whatever manner...unless, of course, the cheerleaders and their bosses are actually making this their own pet project for their own personal benefit in the guise of being open source to camouflage their true intention; and the rest of us are regarded by them as expendable. So when a cheerleader tell off a participant of their "supposedly" open source project to "mind his business" and stay away from their pet project, it's actually a Freudian slip of their true intention.

Cases in point:

1. The exorbitant Sumokoin premine of 10% of the coin supply (about 9 million coins thereby eventually enriching themselves)

2. cheerleaders behaving like a pack of rabid dogs ganging up senselessly on even the slightest of criticism of their pet project that would eventually enrich them like nobody's business.

@Visdude ... you should not say that here. The sumokoin folks don't like other people asking questions about the premine. Be careful... And question like
that will be met with the iron fist of FUD.

But you got to give the Sumokoin folks (if there is more than one) one thing... they did manage to pull it off... either for the sake of sumokoin or personal benefits.
Although there is one thing that's actually very true... they do need help. Commits on Sumokoin (core) are a scarce commodity and I would claim that maybe 99%
of the code base is identical to monero's code base (2016/2017 version). Some packages renamed, a few changes here and there...but if you use a good tool to compare both, you might be surprised.

https://github.com/sumoprojects/sumokoin/graphs/code-frequency

I think it's more than 99% but you don't see it in the code-frequency because a lot of changes to the monero code were incorporated in the initial commit on github.   This code frequency graph also doesn't show the work that is done on the other sumokoin repositories.

The devs favor doing development in their own branches and pulling big changes into the sumokoin code base.

More than 99%? Point taken... I did a compare and realized that it's mostly the different copyright headers, adjustments regarding the genesis block, emission rate, etc.
I didn't bother to count the lines 

Although I do believe that there were changes made to monero which should also be incorporated into sumo. Since devs decided to move files into different packages (e.g. account.cpp, etc.),
it only makes his(/their) life(s) harder merging some of the newer features, bugfixes, and optimizations. That said, Sumo folks should really get a little more relaxed. Not all questions are spreading
FUD. Simply saying, "we are not much different from Monero but we have plans and features in the pipeline that will definitely make a difference", would probably have helped eliminate the very FUD, folks
are so worried about. And there is ample evidence that many people are worried about the 10% premine.

Transparency helps to convince people. But again... just my 50 cents on the topic.

[iuhkymt]

Thanks for the tutorial.

Does anybody know where to find the SumokoinWP (WooCommerce extension for accepting Sumokoin)? It was on Github but now it isn't.

https://github.com/sumoprojects/sumowoocommerce

Please give me links to join Sumokoin signature campaign? Thanks.

[Germining]

There is no campaign.

[premium_domainer]

Thanks for the tutorial.

Does anybody know where to find the SumokoinWP (WooCommerce extension for accepting Sumokoin)? It was on Github but now it isn't.

https://github.com/sumoprojects/sumowoocommerce

Please give me links to join Sumokoin signature campaign? Thanks.

What sumokoin signature campaign

It is not an ico or similar thing. It doesn't offer any bounties at all.

[Germining]

Simply saying, "we are not much different from Monero but we have plans and features in the pipeline that will definitely make a difference", would probably have helped eliminate the very FUD, folks
are so worried about. And there is ample evidence that many people are worried about the 10% premine.

Transparency helps to convince people. But again... just my 50 cents on the topic.

"we are not much different from Monero but we have" this has been done in this very ANN lots of times. Anyway, at least a few xmr fans try to twist facts and spread fud. Especially visdude has his issues, if you read all his replies in this ann you will see

I don't get why people are upset about the premine. Devs handeled it very transparently. The premine is mentioned on the first page and Sumoshi made a blog post about it on our medium blog. If one does not agree with the premine there is a simple solution: to move on. I don't get why this is made an issue again and again.

[CyberTrader]

Simply saying, "we are not much different from Monero but we have plans and features in the pipeline that will definitely make a difference", would probably have helped eliminate the very FUD, folks
are so worried about. And there is ample evidence that many people are worried about the 10% premine.

Transparency helps to convince people. But again... just my 50 cents on the topic.

"we are not much different from Monero but we have" this has been done in this very ANN lots of times. Anyway, at least a few xmr fans try to twist facts and spread fud. Especially visdude has his issues, if you read all his replies in this ann you will see

I don't get why people are upset about the premine. Devs handeled it very transparently. The premine is mentioned on the first page and Sumoshi made a blog post about it on our medium blog. If one does not agree with the premine there is a simple solution: to move on. I don't get why this is made an issue again and again.

@GerMining  First of all, you are one of the more helpful community members. If I remember correctly you asked me to address my questions in the telegram group. Except for insults from a certain member of Sumokoin, I didn't get any answers.

However, I guess many folks are worried that they mine/buy Sumokoin and devs will dump loads of coins when the time comes or when the price is reasonably high. A simple reassurance that no mass dumping on part of the dev team will occur could help. Information on how and when the premine will be spent will at least be seen as an attempt to reassure people that this crypto currency is founded on solid principles. Almost anybody making money trading crypto will advise you to look at factors like,

1. Who is the team?
2. Does the dev team have any development background (in other words: are they qualified to implement a given roadmap)?
3. What makes this coin so different from others?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, some in-depth information answering these questions will generally be useful for potential investors (and/or miners).
Anonymity and showing potential yet inquisitive people the finger certainly won't help. Even currencies like GRAFT or ETN handle this aspect of PR much better.

[sumogr]

Simply saying, "we are not much different from Monero but we have plans and features in the pipeline that will definitely make a difference", would probably have helped eliminate the very FUD, folks
are so worried about. And there is ample evidence that many people are worried about the 10% premine.

Transparency helps to convince people. But again... just my 50 cents on the topic.

"we are not much different from Monero but we have" this has been done in this very ANN lots of times. Anyway, at least a few xmr fans try to twist facts and spread fud. Especially visdude has his issues, if you read all his replies in this ann you will see

I don't get why people are upset about the premine. Devs handeled it very transparently. The premine is mentioned on the first page and Sumoshi made a blog post about it on our medium blog. If one does not agree with the premine there is a simple solution: to move on. I don't get why this is made an issue again and again.

@GerMining  First of all, you are one of the more helpful community members. If I remember correctly you asked me to address my questions in the telegram group. Except for insults from a certain member of Sumokoin, I didn't get any answers.

However, I guess many folks are worried that they mine/buy Sumokoin and devs will dump loads of coins when the time comes or when the price is reasonably high. A simple reassurance that no mass dumping on part of the dev team will occur could help. Information on how and when the premine will be spent will at least be seen as an attempt to reassure people that this crypto currency is founded on solid principles. Almost anybody making money trading crypto will advise you to look at factors like,

1. Who is the team?
2. Does the dev team have any development background (in other words: are they qualified to implement a given roadmap)?
3. What makes this coin so different from others?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, some in-depth information answering these questions will generally be useful for potential investors (and/or miners).
Anonymity and showing potential yet inquisitive people the finger certainly won't help. Even currencies like GRAFT or ETN handle this aspect of PR much better.

I am the one who "insulted" you and unfortunately I am going to say the same things that you find "insulting" again.

1. The team prefers to stay anonymous (besides two of them that do not hide their real names). The team has grown in numbers (they are more than 4 atm and i dont know if the new members will decide to disclose their real names as well in the future)

2. If they are qualified to implement a given roadmap can be easily checked by the current roadmap and if all milestones were delivered on time. Also if you check the two members, that do not hide their name,s you ll see that their background is quite overqualifying to implement any roadmap, compared to the "developers" of ICO's like ETN that you seem to prefer.

3. Sumokoin strives to be among the top anoncoins around and is on its way into accomplishing that, i am sorry if you cannot discern that from its roadmap or its development so far.

Now for the most insulting part, whether you like it or not we dont look for "investors" so you'd better stick with the mentioned ICOs which, like you said, have better PR and tv evangelists (although I ve been accused as being a cheerleader many times, I dont blame the people who accuse me as such cause I indeed sometimes overreact due to my strong belief in the coin).

Thank you investor, go trade an ICO with large github commit frequency

[Germining]

Hey there,

Thanks for the nice words. What can I tell you, there are always polite and less polite people in a coin's community
To answer the concerns about the premine:

The funds are locked in different wallets until the blockchain reaches a specific height. Imho this is way bettwr than an escrow.

Of course devs didn't write "we won't do an exit scam". You didn't really mean that, did you? There is explained what the premine is for. Since I negotiat with a lot of echanges I am deeply convinced, that those funds are needed nowdays. Even with funds it is very hard to get listed. Also imho the fact that the funds are locked is a very nice and transparent way to make the team of sumo legit.

Also: Sumoshi addressed the premine in his latest post here:

https://medium.com/sumokoin/spring-plan-2018-9d0218c8db40

We - the pr team - even made a special telegram group to discuss the premine and it's use with our communty.

Long story short: it is very easy to talk bad about something. There already is a lot of info / transparency. One just has to look and read.

I can understand why two of our devs decided to stay anon. If that is a concern I can again say: there is no need to buy sumo 2 of them use real names. You just have to goodle them. As part of sumo's pr team I would love to make pr with our devs vita, but they choose to make this project about tech and not vitas and advisors.

Anyway I only can say it again: it is easy to talk trash. But there are many sides to a story. I don't take the guy who mostly insults team sumo serious. How could I?...

I can only repeat myself: join us on telegram or ask specific questions here and we will try our best to answer them.

[sumogr]

Simply saying, "we are not much different from Monero but we have plans and features in the pipeline that will definitely make a difference", would probably have helped eliminate the very FUD, folks
are so worried about. And there is ample evidence that many people are worried about the 10% premine.

Transparency helps to convince people. But again... just my 50 cents on the topic.

"we are not much different from Monero but we have" this has been done in this very ANN lots of times. Anyway, at least a few xmr fans try to twist facts and spread fud. Especially visdude has his issues, if you read all his replies in this ann you will see

I don't get why people are upset about the premine. Devs handeled it very transparently. The premine is mentioned on the first page and Sumoshi made a blog post about it on our medium blog. If one does not agree with the premine there is a simple solution: to move on. I don't get why this is made an issue again and again.

@GerMining  First of all, you are one of the more helpful community members. If I remember correctly you asked me to address my questions in the telegram group. Except for insults from a certain member of Sumokoin, I didn't get any answers.

However, I guess many folks are worried that they mine/buy Sumokoin and devs will dump loads of coins when the time comes or when the price is reasonably high. A simple reassurance that no mass dumping on part of the dev team will occur could help. Information on how and when the premine will be spent will at least be seen as an attempt to reassure people that this crypto currency is founded on solid principles. Almost anybody making money trading crypto will advise you to look at factors like,

1. Who is the team?
2. Does the dev team have any development background (in other words: are they qualified to implement a given roadmap)?
3. What makes this coin so different from others?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, some in-depth information answering these questions will generally be useful for potential investors (and/or miners).
Anonymity and showing potential yet inquisitive people the finger certainly won't help. Even currencies like GRAFT or ETN handle this aspect of PR much better.

I am the one who "insulted" you and unfortunately I am going to say the same things that you find "insulting" again.

1. The team prefers to stay anonymous (besides two of them that do not hide their real names). The team has grown in numbers (they are more than 4 atm and i dont know if the new members will decide to disclose their real names as well in the future)

2. If they are qualified to implement a given roadmap can be easily checked by the current roadmap and if all milestones were delivered on time. Also if you check the two members, that do not hide their name,s you ll see that their background is quite overqualifying to implement any roadmap, compared to the "developers" of ICO's like ETN that you seem to prefer.

3. Sumokoin strives to be among the top anoncoins around and is on its way into accomplishing that, i am sorry if you cannot discern that from its roadmap or its development so far.

Now for the most insulting part, whether you like it or not we dont look for "investors" so you'd better stick with the mentioned ICOs which, like you said, have better PR and tv evangelists (although I ve been accused as being a cheerleader many times, I dont blame the people who accuse me as such cause I indeed sometimes overreact due to my strong belief in the coin).

Thank you investor, go trade an ICO with large github commit frequency

As for the premine I can officially assure you that it is not going to be dumped (since you asked for it).
A small part of the first part of the premine, that will be released this summer, will be liquidated to pay the additional developing members which were needed for their math/crypto and coding skills cause devs have real life jobs and the development of the coin cannot always rely on their free time as well as for paying exchange listing fees. How can the premine be dumped when cryptopia's entire sumo order book is 4 BTC?
You were insulted on telegram cause I told you that you want to be mouth fed and that you should dyor and come back with questions that you cant find on the released material or cannot be answered by themselves. I still insist

[CyberTrader]

Simply saying, "we are not much different from Monero but we have plans and features in the pipeline that will definitely make a difference", would probably have helped eliminate the very FUD, folks
are so worried about. And there is ample evidence that many people are worried about the 10% premine.

Transparency helps to convince people. But again... just my 50 cents on the topic.

"we are not much different from Monero but we have" this has been done in this very ANN lots of times. Anyway, at least a few xmr fans try to twist facts and spread fud. Especially visdude has his issues, if you read all his replies in this ann you will see

I don't get why people are upset about the premine. Devs handeled it very transparently. The premine is mentioned on the first page and Sumoshi made a blog post about it on our medium blog. If one does not agree with the premine there is a simple solution: to move on. I don't get why this is made an issue again and again.

@GerMining  First of all, you are one of the more helpful community members. If I remember correctly you asked me to address my questions in the telegram group. Except for insults from a certain member of Sumokoin, I didn't get any answers.

However, I guess many folks are worried that they mine/buy Sumokoin and devs will dump loads of coins when the time comes or when the price is reasonably high. A simple reassurance that no mass dumping on part of the dev team will occur could help. Information on how and when the premine will be spent will at least be seen as an attempt to reassure people that this crypto currency is founded on solid principles. Almost anybody making money trading crypto will advise you to look at factors like,

1. Who is the team?
2. Does the dev team have any development background (in other words: are they qualified to implement a given roadmap)?
3. What makes this coin so different from others?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, some in-depth information answering these questions will generally be useful for potential investors (and/or miners).
Anonymity and showing potential yet inquisitive people the finger certainly won't help. Even currencies like GRAFT or ETN handle this aspect of PR much better.

I am the one who "insulted" you and unfortunately I am going to say the same things that you find "insulting" again.

1. The team prefers to stay anonymous (besides two of them that do not hide their real names). The team has grown in numbers (they are more than 4 atm and i dont know if the new members will decide to disclose their real names as well in the future)

2. If they are qualified to implement a given roadmap can be easily checked by the current roadmap and if all milestones were delivered on time. Also if you check the two members, that do not hide their name,s you ll see that their background is quite overqualifying to implement any roadmap, compared to the "developers" of ICO's like ETN that you seem to prefer.

3. Sumokoin strives to be among the top anoncoins around and is on its way into accomplishing that, i am sorry if you cannot discern that from its roadmap or its development so far.

Now for the most insulting part, whether you like it or not we dont look for "investors" so you'd better stick with the mentioned ICOs which, like you said, have better PR and tv evangelists (although I ve been accused as being a cheerleader many times, I dont blame the people who accuse me as such cause I indeed sometimes overreact due to my strong belief in the coin).

Thank you investor, go trade an ICO with large github commit frequency

Lol  
Now you are getting into kindergarten talk. Not sure why all of that offends you so much. Maybe, there is some truth to it?

Keep in mind that big players in crypto also have folks with a Ph.D. in maths and hardcore developers. And although a Ph.D. is certainly not required
to deliver a project, I question the thoroughness of developers who don't even manage to adjust the copyright headers and - as a result - have their
project taken down (github - very professional!). I have yet to see any feature of sumokoin that is truly unique and impressive. It's all just monero.
Maybe, a "real" answer would be better than - and yes, you are doing it again - showing the finger.

Btw... Sumogr... You are the one to insult folks for simply asking a few questions about the premine.
Very well done...

A few facts about SUMOKOIN and the roadmap:

* Initial Version of Sumokoin based on Monero,
* 10% pre-mine (8.888.888 SUMOs worth a total of 17.824.443 USD - at the time of writing)

The community is what drives SUMO and the miners support it with their hashing power.
So yes, we DO HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW.

Let's look at your "really impressive" roadmap...

Roadmap items

Item	Comment
Sumokoin v0.1.2.0	difficulty adjustments, etc. (most "new" coins implement that - what's the achievement here?!),
GUI Wallet	Well done... but there is a monero wallet that I would guess yours is based on (features are almost identical)
EasyMiner	at least something, that is not copyright monero. Written in Python (not C++)
Subaddresses	(c) 2014 - 2017 The Monero Project (https://github.com/sumoprojects/sumokoin/blob/be01bb6511efaf1cae21ba5c854031862ba87810/src/wallet/api/subaddress.cpp)
Multi-signature + Lite Wallet	not yet delivered (correct me, if I am wrong) - Multi-signature introduced to Monero with Pull Request https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/2134) in Dec 2017
Online wallet + Bulletproof	not yet delivered - but already available in Monero - Bulletproof: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/2883
Mobile wallets (Android, iOS)	not yet delivered

So as anybody can see...lots of words and not a lot of substance. Not a single feature that wouldn't be available in Monero?!
And please spare me with statements like, "It was so hard to adjust the coin name in cryptonote_config.h" or similar.
Maybe, you do have python scripting/development skills but you do seem to forget that monero - sorry - sumokoin is written in C++.
What is it you have done? Sponsor the infrastructure? Reply to folks on github?? Create the easy miner?
Considering all these achievements, you really should treat potential investors and miners a bit better.

You should also not talk trash about ETN because if I look at their network and yours, they are ten times bigger (SUMO: 34.32 MHs vs. ETN: 348.45 MHs)
and in comparison to you a lot "younger" and a lot more transparent.

Actions do speak louder than words.

I better go and play with real cryptocurrencies with a solid background (e.g. Monero) now

Cheers,

Tom

PS:  If you don't look for investors, maybe you should have your coin delisted on cryptopia, etc. Investors, per definition, are also people buying the coin. Just repeating your words... LOL

[sumogr]

Simply saying, "we are not much different from Monero but we have plans and features in the pipeline that will definitely make a difference", would probably have helped eliminate the very FUD, folks
are so worried about. And there is ample evidence that many people are worried about the 10% premine.

Transparency helps to convince people. But again... just my 50 cents on the topic.

"we are not much different from Monero but we have" this has been done in this very ANN lots of times. Anyway, at least a few xmr fans try to twist facts and spread fud. Especially visdude has his issues, if you read all his replies in this ann you will see

I don't get why people are upset about the premine. Devs handeled it very transparently. The premine is mentioned on the first page and Sumoshi made a blog post about it on our medium blog. If one does not agree with the premine there is a simple solution: to move on. I don't get why this is made an issue again and again.

@GerMining  First of all, you are one of the more helpful community members. If I remember correctly you asked me to address my questions in the telegram group. Except for insults from a certain member of Sumokoin, I didn't get any answers.

However, I guess many folks are worried that they mine/buy Sumokoin and devs will dump loads of coins when the time comes or when the price is reasonably high. A simple reassurance that no mass dumping on part of the dev team will occur could help. Information on how and when the premine will be spent will at least be seen as an attempt to reassure people that this crypto currency is founded on solid principles. Almost anybody making money trading crypto will advise you to look at factors like,

1. Who is the team?
2. Does the dev team have any development background (in other words: are they qualified to implement a given roadmap)?
3. What makes this coin so different from others?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, some in-depth information answering these questions will generally be useful for potential investors (and/or miners).
Anonymity and showing potential yet inquisitive people the finger certainly won't help. Even currencies like GRAFT or ETN handle this aspect of PR much better.

I am the one who "insulted" you and unfortunately I am going to say the same things that you find "insulting" again.

1. The team prefers to stay anonymous (besides two of them that do not hide their real names). The team has grown in numbers (they are more than 4 atm and i dont know if the new members will decide to disclose their real names as well in the future)

2. If they are qualified to implement a given roadmap can be easily checked by the current roadmap and if all milestones were delivered on time. Also if you check the two members, that do not hide their name,s you ll see that their background is quite overqualifying to implement any roadmap, compared to the "developers" of ICO's like ETN that you seem to prefer.

3. Sumokoin strives to be among the top anoncoins around and is on its way into accomplishing that, i am sorry if you cannot discern that from its roadmap or its development so far.

Now for the most insulting part, whether you like it or not we dont look for "investors" so you'd better stick with the mentioned ICOs which, like you said, have better PR and tv evangelists (although I ve been accused as being a cheerleader many times, I dont blame the people who accuse me as such cause I indeed sometimes overreact due to my strong belief in the coin).

Thank you investor, go trade an ICO with large github commit frequency

Lol  
Now you are getting into kindergarten talk. Not sure why all of that offends you so much. Maybe, there is some truth to it?

Keep in mind that big players in crypto also have folks with a Ph.D. in maths and hardcore developers. And although a Ph.D. is certainly not required
to deliver a project, I question the thoroughness of developers who don't even manage to adjust the copyright headers and - as a result - have their
project taken down (github - very professional!). I have yet to see any feature of sumokoin that is truly unique and impressive. It's all just monero.
Maybe, a "real" answer would be better than - and yes, you are doing it again - showing the finger.

Btw... Sumogr... You are the one to insult folks for simply asking a few questions about the premine.
Very well done...

A few facts about SUMOKOIN and the roadmap:

* Initial Version of Sumokoin based on Monero,
* 10% pre-mine (8.888.888 SUMOs worth a total of 17.824.443 USD - at the time of writing)

The community is what drives SUMO and the miners support it with their hashing power.
So yes, we DO HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW.

Let's look at your "really impressive" roadmap...

Roadmap items

Item	Comment
Sumokoin v0.1.2.0	difficulty adjustments, etc. (most "new" coins implement that - what's the achievement here?!),
GUI Wallet	Well done... but there is a monero wallet that I would guess yours is based on (features are almost identical)
EasyMiner	at least something, that is not copyright monero. Written in Python (not C++)
Subaddresses	(c) 2014 - 2017 The Monero Project (https://github.com/sumoprojects/sumokoin/blob/be01bb6511efaf1cae21ba5c854031862ba87810/src/wallet/api/subaddress.cpp)
Multi-signature + Lite Wallet	not yet delivered (correct me, if I am wrong) - Multi-signature introduced to Monero with Pull Request https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/2134) in Dec 2017
Online wallet + Bulletproof	not yet delivered - but already available in Monero - Bulletproof: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/2883
Mobile wallets (Android, iOS)	not yet delivered

So as anybody can see...lots of words and not a lot of substance. Not a single feature that wouldn't be available in Monero?!
And please spare me with statements like, "It was so hard to adjust the coin name in cryptonote_config.h" or similar.
Maybe, you do have python scripting/development skills but you do seem to forget that monero - sorry - sumokoin is written in C++.
What is it you have done? Sponsor the infrastructure? Reply to folks on github?? Create the easy miner?
Considering all these achievements, you really should treat potential investors and miners a bit better.

You should also not talk trash about ETN because if I look at their network and yours, they are ten times bigger (SUMO: 34.32 MHs vs. ETN: 348.45 MHs)
and in comparison to you a lot "younger" and a lot more transparent.

Actions do speak louder than words.

I better go and play with real cryptocurrencies with a solid background (e.g. Monero) now

Cheers,

Tom

PS:  If you don't look for investors, maybe you should have your coin delisted on cryptopia, etc. Investors, per definition, are also people buying the coin. Just repeating your words... LOL

You have no idea what you are talking about. I read up to the GUI wallet part where you say its a knock off from Monero's GUI while even the language they are coded with is different (Python vs C++).
Yeah go to a real cryptocurreny like Monero you have a history of calling everything a scam there. I guess you look yourself in the mirror each morning and shout scam to yourself.
Bye investor