Evolution is a hoax

[BADecker]

You think evolution is something that you turn off and on? It happens every day as well, but for complex organisms -- it is a slow process. - But you are the one saying it, not me.
And there you go again, denying that any proof was presented to you when it clearly was, multiple times by multiple people. - But you just can't seem to even say what the proof was.
On my end, there's the guppy experiment, dog breeds. Someone has mentioned cancer cells also showing an ability to evolve, viruses and bacteria are evolving just as any living creature is, we're just about to enter a post-antibiotic age because of that. - However, none of this is evolution theory evolution. Come on! Show us some proof for ETE.
The "examples" you used are nonsensical, whether you believe in it or not, evolution will keep happening.

You forgot to look at the dictionary, which has examples way more radical than I used.

evolution
[ ev-uh-loo-shuhn or, esp. British, ee-vuh- ]

noun

1. any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane.

2. a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research.

3. Biology . change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.

4. a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.

5. a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.

6. a pattern formed by or as if by a series of movements: the evolutions of a figure skater.

You really need to get your head up out of the trance you are in, and see that there is no proof for ETE... and, that the dictionary definition of evolution doesn't really point at evolution theory. Or do you have some proof for ETE after all?

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

^^^ Except that everybody uses gravity every day, but doesn't think about it because we all are familiar with it. But nobody knows that evolution theory evolution (ETE) exists, except that he might think that it does from being told by someone else.

The Model T evolved into a large variety of cars and trucks. But not by ETE.

A child evolves into an adult. But not by ETE.

All kinds of changes in breeding are made to happen, but not by ETE.

All the talk about ETE happening is just talk. There is no proof. We don't even know if it is possible...

... Or do you have some proof. If you do, please spend 2 or 3 brief sentences telling us if it is by DNA examination or what, and how it can tell us what happened over the last supposed 400,000 years of Earth history.

Remember that I have asked you for this in other posts in other ways. But you haven't shown the proof or really even talked about it. If evolution is so definite as you seem to think, you should be able to provide us with definite examination processes, so that we all can examine the past, to see how the processes work together. Not just stories about how it must have happened. Real proof of how it did happen. Not guesswork that could be attributed to things other than ETE.

Evolution is a hoax.

You think evolution is something that you turn off and on? It happens every day as well, but for complex organisms -- it is a slow process.
And there you go again, denying that any proof was presented to you when it clearly was, multiple times by multiple people.
On my end, there's the guppy experiment, dog breeds. Someone has mentioned cancer cells also showing an ability to evolve, viruses and bacteria are evolving just as any living creature is, we're just about to enter a post-antibiotic age because of that.
The "examples" you used are nonsensical, whether you believe in it or not, evolution will keep happening.

He is a denier, first asks for proof of species changing into other species, proof is shown, he denies it, then he simply goes back to his old roots, thats not evolution, he says, ask him what is the definition of evolution, he doesnt know

[Viron]

- But you just can't seem to even say what the proof was.

I literally reference it in the next sentence.

On my end, there's the guppy experiment, dog breeds. Someone has mentioned cancer cells also showing an ability to evolve, viruses and bacteria are evolving just as any living creature is, we're just about to enter a post-antibiotic age because of that.

For someone so willing to pull out a dictionary, you sure struggle with reading.
Could spend all day finding and quoting all the other points and links presented to you by other people, but you'd just resort to sophistry again.

[Viron]

He is a denier, first asks for proof of species changing into other species, proof is shown, he denies it, then he simply goes back to his old roots, thats not evolution, he says, ask him what is the definition of evolution, he doesnt know

It really is like talking to a wall.
All the proof in the world wouldn't be enough for him, he keeps arguing in bad faith and engaging in sophistry.
Half-convinced he's trolling, to be honest.

[BADecker]

- But you just can't seem to even say what the proof was.

I literally reference it in the next sentence.

On my end, there's the guppy experiment, dog breeds. Someone has mentioned cancer cells also showing an ability to evolve, viruses and bacteria are evolving just as any living creature is, we're just about to enter a post-antibiotic age because of that.

For someone so willing to pull out a dictionary, you sure struggle with reading.
Could spend all day finding and quoting all the other points and links presented to you by other people, but you'd just resort to sophistry again.

There is an evolution of dogs in dog breeding. But most people don't call it evolution. They simply call it breeding. It doesn't change one kind of animal to another.

There is talked about, an evolution that changes one kind of animal to another. It is the kind that many say turned a single cell creature in the waters, into a succession of different animals resulting in mankind and the other animals we have today... something that happened over hundreds of thousands or millions of years.

Dog breeding evolution is obviously true, as is the evolution of the Model T to the many models of Fords we have today.

There is no proof of evolution of the kind where single cell creatures changed into other kinds of animals, and finally into humans, over hundreds of thousands or millions of years. All of the so-called evidence of this, can be attributed to something else that does not work like that evolution would.

We don't know from that evidence that such was the way that things happened, or if it happened another way. And we won't know until we can at least build a precise time viewer, to photograph the DNA of strings of ancestor/descendant animals in the past.

So far, all the proof you offer could be proof of several things, some of them not evolution theory evolution. You can guess all you want. But we don't have proof for evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Btw, thanks for helping me to say it in different ways, so that people who read my posts can start to understand that evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

- But you just can't seem to even say what the proof was.

I literally reference it in the next sentence.

On my end, there's the guppy experiment, dog breeds. Someone has mentioned cancer cells also showing an ability to evolve, viruses and bacteria are evolving just as any living creature is, we're just about to enter a post-antibiotic age because of that.

For someone so willing to pull out a dictionary, you sure struggle with reading.
Could spend all day finding and quoting all the other points and links presented to you by other people, but you'd just resort to sophistry again.

There is an evolution of dogs in dog breeding. But most people don't call it evolution. They simply call it breeding. It doesn't change one kind of animal to another.

There is talked about, an evolution that changes one kind of animal to another. It is the kind that many say turned a single cell creature in the waters, into a succession of different animals resulting in mankind and the other animals we have today... something that happened over hundreds of thousands or millions of years.

Dog breeding evolution is obviously true, as is the evolution of the Model T to the many models of Fords we have today.

There is no proof of evolution of the kind where single cell creatures changed into other kinds of animals, and finally into humans, over hundreds of thousands or millions of years. All of the so-called evidence of this, can be attributed to something else that does not work like that evolution would.

We don't know from that evidence that such was the way that things happened, or if it happened another way. And we won't know until we can at least build a precise time viewer, to photograph the DNA of strings of ancestor/descendant animals in the past.

So far, all the proof you offer could be proof of several things, some of them not evolution theory evolution. You can guess all you want. But we don't have proof for evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Btw, thanks for helping me to say it in different ways, so that people who read my posts can start to understand that evolution is a hoax.

"It doesn't change one kind of animal to another" ok then. Tell us exactly what it constitutes an animal changing into another. What does it mean when an animal changes into another in your opinion???

[BADecker]

^^^ In your opinion, what's the purpose of you asking questions that were answered right in the post you quoted? Seems to me that if you can't provide proof of evolution, that evolution is a hoax... at least as far as you are concerned.

[Astargath]

^^^ In your opinion, what's the purpose of you asking questions that were answered right in the post you quoted? Seems to me that if you can't provide proof of evolution, that evolution is a hoax... at least as far as you are concerned.

Here are even more examples of evolution:
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/
https://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=20

Seems that you can't accept proof of evolution, we don't need to prove a single cell evolved into humans, we can prove organisms, animals, species evolve into others gradually, from that we can deduce the same thing happened to us, even if it didn't, the examples of evolution are still there, no matter what.

[BADecker]

^^^ In your opinion, what's the purpose of you asking questions that were answered right in the post you quoted? Seems to me that if you can't provide proof of evolution, that evolution is a hoax... at least as far as you are concerned.

Here are even more examples of evolution:
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/
https://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=20

Seems that you can't accept proof of evolution, we don't need to prove a single cell evolved into humans, we can prove organisms, animals, species evolve into others gradually, from that we can deduce the same thing happened to us, even if it didn't, the examples of evolution are still there, no matter what.

Seems the proof for ETE isn't there. All your links are is talk without proof, or even process. Nobody has divulged the process with even a little bit of certainty that any of that is evolution (ETE). All of it might be abiogenesis a multitude of times over. Maybe more than once for some creatures. Prove that it isn't abiogenesis. Or prove that it isn't God creation in the form of like-begets-like. All of your examples have only one proof... a big bunch of hot-air-talk by people who don't know for sure.

Time for us to wake up and stop paying money to those ignorant evolutionists. They will never be able to prove evolution exists. The more they try, the more they run out of stuff to try. All they do is try to state that adaptation, simple change, and like-begets-like are evolution... just so they have something that is evolution.

Some time back, they dropped abiogenesis from their definition of evolution. Once they realize that abiogenesis might have happened for every different kind of plant and animal, they will probably add it back into the evolution definition.

Then, sometime, they will find that God created everything, and they will try to call creation evolution, just so that they have something that is evolution.  

[BADecker]

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LOL!

Cancer proves adaptation. It proves devolution to the people it forms in. Cancer has nothing to do with the idea of beneficial mutation, except possibly to the cancer itself. Of course, when the host dies, the cancer dies, as well. Nothing beneficial there.

Cancer has absolutely nothing to do with proving evolution theory evolution over many thousands of years.

I don't really think you are an idiot. So why do you keep trying to prove that you are? Are you evolving?

Evolution is a hoax.

Troll bait not taken.

Nobody can take non-existent troll bait.     

[Astargath]

^^^ In your opinion, what's the purpose of you asking questions that were answered right in the post you quoted? Seems to me that if you can't provide proof of evolution, that evolution is a hoax... at least as far as you are concerned.

Here are even more examples of evolution:
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/
https://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=20

Seems that you can't accept proof of evolution, we don't need to prove a single cell evolved into humans, we can prove organisms, animals, species evolve into others gradually, from that we can deduce the same thing happened to us, even if it didn't, the examples of evolution are still there, no matter what.

Seems the proof for ETE isn't there. All your links are is talk without proof, or even process. Nobody has divulged the process with even a little bit of certainty that any of that is evolution (ETE). All of it might be abiogenesis a multitude of times over. Maybe more than once for some creatures. Prove that it isn't abiogenesis. Or prove that it isn't God creation in the form of like-begets-like. All of your examples have only one proof... a big bunch of hot-air-talk by people who don't know for sure.

Time for us to wake up and stop paying money to those ignorant evolutionists. They will never be able to prove evolution exists. The more they try, the more they run out of stuff to try. All they do is try to state that adaptation, simple change, and like-begets-like are evolution... just so they have something that is evolution.

Some time back, they dropped abiogenesis from their definition of evolution. Once they realize that abiogenesis might have happened for every different kind of plant and animal, they will probably add it back into the evolution definition.

Then, sometime, they will find that God created everything, and they will try to call creation evolution, just so that they have something that is evolution.  

''In 1971, ten Italian wall lizards (Podarcis sicula) were introduced to the island of Pod Mrčaru from a neighboring island. The lizards were left for decades, and compared to the colony from which they were taken. The wall lizards on Pod Mrčaru, having passed through a tiny genetic bottleneck, were found to have thrived and adapted to their new island. They were found to have shifted from a mainly insectivorous diet to one heavy in vegetation. This diet change seems to have driven dramatic changes in the lizards. The head of the Pod Mrčaru lizards is larger, and has a far greater bite force. These are key adaptations for dealing with chewing leaves. The most exciting sign of evolution is the development of cecal valves, muscles used to separate portions of the intestine. These serve to slow the passage of food through the intestine and give time for the bacteria in the gut to breakdown the plant matter for absorption. This is an entirely novel development in the Italian wall lizard, and a major adaptation.''

Here is the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=932XB499YUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2-4VpmXqmU
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm
http://reptile-database.reptarium.cz/species?genus=Podarcis&species=siculus&search_param=%28%28genus%3D%27Podarcis%27%29%28species%3D%27siculus%27%29%29

[BADecker]

^^^ After all that time on the island, they changed. They didn't change into cats. They didn't change into goats. They didn't change into walruses, alligators, sharks, canaries, or any of countless other animals. They changed into - get this now - lizards.

Let's see now. Seems that there isn't any ETE there.  I wonder why not. Could it be that evolution is a hoax?

 

[Astargath]

^^^ After all that time on the island, they changed. They didn't change into cats. They didn't change into goats. They didn't change into walruses, alligators, sharks, canaries, or any of countless other animals. They changed into - get this now - lizards.

Let's see now. Seems that there isn't any ETE there.  I wonder why not. Could it be that evolution is a hoax?

 

Right, so if we were to call them buzzards, that would suddenly prove evolution? A simple name change would do it? What's the difference between a cat and a lizard? The name or the features? They have different features, similarly the new lizards have very different features than the previous ones, hence why we call it evolution, they evolved through adaption. They adapted to the new environment and passed on their adaptions to the other generations and now only the new lizards exist, evolution. It's pretty simple to understand really.

[BADecker]

^^^ Considering every creature is different than every other creature, are you trying to say that we all have evolved from our parents? LOL! You are so silly. Just because somebody says there are blacks, and others say there are whites, and others say there are Asians, and Native Americans, etc., now you are trying to make an ethnic group for each and every lizard, because they are all different, every last one of them from every last other one of them.

You're kinda different than evolutionists. Just because you and notbatman talk about different themes in life, themes that might even be opposites in some areas, you are more or less of the same kind. Did you evolve that way?  

Come on. Show us some proof that people evolved from some single celled pond microbe, or something. I know. All your goofy talk exists because you can't even show this, to say nothing about proving it.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

[notbatman]

Dinosaurs are a hoax, giants including animals and plants are the historical reality.



They show you a giant fossilized dragonfly in school and on TV and in book & magazines then, they tell you it's millions of years old and it's a different species that evolved into a dragonfly because "convergent evolution". They go on and construct a Tyrannosaurus Rex out of a fragment of giant chicken bone and carve footprints in a dry riverbed to support their story and skeletal model.

Evolution, dinosaurs and timescales beyond 10,000 years are complete horse shit. There's massive intellectual fraud in the "professional" sciences [pseudo].

[BADecker]

^^^ Do you remember Roman concrete? How do we know that the fossilized rock you showed, is not some advanced form of concrete used by evolutionists to create an "inverse sculpture" of the dragonfly?

We don't know for a fact what the age of the earth is. Biblically speaking, during the first 2 or 3 days of Creation, even time wasn't settled in place. The physics of time wasn't the same as it is now. So, there is no way to tell that the earth is older than 10,000 years or thereabouts, because time was in "tumult," and none of it would match our stabilized form.

However, even science shows that this is the fact. It shows it in Big Bang Theory. How? BB says that the first several hundred thousand years the universe was extremely different than it is now. Since this is the case, math and physics were extremely different. So, we can't use our M&B to tell anything about why our observations show us a BB. This is stated in hidden form right in BB Theory! No known Big Bang!

After all, when did our math and physics stabilize into approximately what we have today? We don't know. It might have been less than 10,000 years ago, even from a scientific viewpoint. Before the stabilization of M&P, who knows what kinds of tumultuous turmoil existed in even the M&P of the universe?

Beyond, say, about 5,000 years ago - because that's all the earlier we can date pottery, etc. - our scientific estimations of time and age are totally guestimations, or complete guesses.

[notbatman]

In response to everything after the first question, no.

[BADecker]

Since the things in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg51211029#msg51211029 show that we don't really know the age of the earth, we don't know if there was enough time for evolution theory evolution to develop. Since we don't know...

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

^^^ Considering every creature is different than every other creature, are you trying to say that we all have evolved from our parents? LOL! You are so silly. Just because somebody says there are blacks, and others say there are whites, and others say there are Asians, and Native Americans, etc., now you are trying to make an ethnic group for each and every lizard, because they are all different, every last one of them from every last other one of them.

You're kinda different than evolutionists. Just because you and notbatman talk about different themes in life, themes that might even be opposites in some areas, you are more or less of the same kind. Did you evolve that way?  

Come on. Show us some proof that people evolved from some single celled pond microbe, or something. I know. All your goofy talk exists because you can't even show this, to say nothing about proving it.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Obviously some species of animals have some common features and are grouped that way. Do you understand that evolution is exactly what I linked above? Animals that ''evolve'' are animals that adapt to the environment through different processes AND pass their genetics to the next generations. If they simply adapted but didn't pass the genetics then it would be no evolution, however because they did pass their genetics, it's evolution. Is it really that hard to understand? This process can happen over and over again. For instance they have larger heads and developed cecal valves which all their children also have. How is this not evolution LOL?

[davidwilson17]

Micro-evolution - yes.
Macro-evolution - no.

Non organic mater can't evolve into organic one. Evolution is based on environment requirements and organic mater adopting to those requirements.
To make it simple - what environmental requirements forced a mud to turn into a single cell organism?

It's mathematically possible... The 'beauty' of that argument is that you can apply it to anything with infinite amount of time and repetitions.
With this logic I can throw a bag full of Scrabble from a rooftop and eventually it will land forming Lord Of The Rings.
Claiming 'science' as explanation here has more to do with religion than religion with creationism.