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June 12, 2017, 03:08:49 AM
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I'm still trying to fully understand the openANX model.  

As I understand it, you are improving on the Decentralized Exchange model by adding features to enhance liquidity as well as adding a DAO Governance model. To enhance liquidity, you are proposing to bridge the Centralized Exchanges and their liquidity to the openANX exchange. Why would the centralized exchanges want to bridge their liquidity to a DEX and essentially erode their own userbase & business model?  What incentive do they have to send liquidity to your DEX?

It looks like you really want to target credit markets (ie:/ Credit Default Swaps; Collateralized Debt Obligations), as well as OTC markets. You plan on bridging the fiat & crypto markets with a focus on serving the credit/debt markets on a large scale. Is this correct? What do you see as the potential $$$ market (trade volumes) for these types of asset classes?

So your governance model and smart contracts will assess the credit worthiness of companies and institutions that want to trade assets through openANX (like Credit Default Swaps; CDO's; Bonds). So you'll also be acting like an S&P or Moody's Rating agency on these collateralized companies/mkt participants at the same time. Correct?

So openANX is proposing to mitigate counterparty risks with their collateralized smart contracts. If so, how much collateral are mkt participants required to allocate to the smart contracts?

Regarding the tokens. Their functionality provides membership & voting privileges (Access & Voting rights). In other words, all openANX market participants are required to obtain ANX tokens to transact on the exchange. Correct? The more tokens purchased the more rights and privileges a participant has on the openANX system. Correct?  

Do the tokens have any other functionality (ie. Fees; profit share)?

Any clarification on these topics would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


Hi JWH007 (and janpec1000 who upvoted) sorry for the delay coming back to you, I had to check some details with . a few guys on the team who were travelling over the weekend. It's more than one question, so I'll answer them below in order. If I miss something, please tell me and I will come back to it in a follow up post.

In the case of exchanges eroding their user base, it's a valid point. The first thing to keep in mind is that we think the system is better, and here's why....In the centralized model you relinquish custody to all your assets, in the case of openANX you don't surrender your keys to your ERC20/ETH tokens at all.

Second, We aim to build a consortium of exchanges and we've had initial discussions with a number of them. From the outset, it will probably be tier 2 (regional exchanges) and other decentralized exchanges that join first as they stand to benefit the most initially. Centralized exchanges will want to support a gateway to hedge their risk: decentralized matching is clearly the future.Small exchanges get to utilize a top notch matching engine (rather than attempting to build their own,  and they get access our initial liquidity, or exchanges that don't do a full range of tokens can add those to their existing clients.

It's then that aggregation becomes exponential. Once we have 4-5 exchanges then we become attractive for other reasons. Credit provides consumer protection, and our liquidity now looks attractive to even larger exchanges who can use it only in instances when their own order book can't provide the trade volume they need. So, initially we believe big exchanges will use us to fill gaps in their own books, maybe only running 5-10% of their own business through us. Over time, they will see that if they provide better service in terms of customer service and banking expertise, being part of a bigger ecosystem works because they have access to a larger group of potential clients.

Lastly on this point, the barrier to entry for new gateways drops to near zero. By providing the Matching Engine and the infrastructure solution, it becomes simple for new service providers to become asset gateways, as long as they are able to post collateral.

This drives competition and aggregates liquidity across the platform. As liquidity grows the centralized exchange legacy revenue from opaque matching will become less material.

I'll answer credit markets in the next post.


Credit Markets

Original Question "It looks like you really want to target credit markets (ie:/ Credit Default Swaps; Collateralized Debt Obligations), as well as OTC markets. You plan on bridging the fiat & crypto markets with a focus on serving the credit/debt markets on a large scale. Is this correct? What do you see as the potential $$$ market (trade volumes) for these types of asset classes?"

It's a good question, you've jumped a few steps though. CDO's and CDS's will certainly develop, but at a basic level, credit is about having the information to accurately determine risk of default.

Example
If Gateway A and Gateway B both trade in BTC:ETH why choose one over the other? There are a host of reasons.

1) Better Pricing
2) Reputational variation
3) Speed and Service

In the cryptocurrency space, we see plenty of examples of 1) and 3) in practice, in fact variations in price drive much of what traders do. However, there is no objective yardstick to 2.

There's plenty of forums devoted to opinion and sentiment, and these are valuable, but there is no way to measure exposure or market sentiment in a numeric form. That's the first thing to understand. By providing the following information, we benefit the user

Gateway A - 75% collateralized in ETH in Smart Contract
Gateway B - 20% collateralized in ETH in a Smart Contract

What does that tell a user? Well, nothing directly. But then consider that Gateway A is pricing BTC at $3,009 and Gateway B at $2,950, then it is clear that you can purchase on B and make a saving but the risk is higher. This puts the power back in the users hands.

Another example
A certain large exchange that we all know recently lost the ability to on and off chain fiat. If you were holding tokens from them and needed cash very quickly, you could liquidate your tokens on the credit market at a price reflected in what people were prepared to pay. Is it worth taking the hit on the credit market, or should you move your assets out through a wallet and deal somewhere else? a Collateralized credit system give you some numeric understanding of how people are pricing this risk, and helps you make informed decisions.

In terms of complex credit offerings (CDO's etc) we don't plan on offering those, our plan is to simply open up the credit market and allow 3rd party providers to offer services they want, as long as they meet the requirements for a TP membership. In terms of junks bonds, CDO's, CDS's and mortgage pools, the credit market dwarfs the equity space, It seems likely that there is at least some potential for that in the crypto space.

Essentially
Regards governance model on credit risk, we want to establish an ecosystem in which credit risk specialists and ratings agencies can flourish and compete, rather than providing those services ourself. Counter party credit risk and amounts of collateral pledged will be a function of the marker rather than standard dictated by the foundation or any central planning body.

openANX would not ff the rating agencies that make the assessment. But the platform would be open to service providers who use data mining and other tools to evaluate credit based on available information. The pricing of these gateway tokens not only also provide a market view on their credits, but also enable a credit holder to decrease his exposure if so desired.

Last part on this point,
The level of collateral posted is up to the gateway. A company with a strong brand and reputation may choose to post very little. Our sovereign entity may choose to most a de minimis amount and rely on their country bond => rating. => ultimately this is about transparency and choice for all participants.

Ultimately we want to implement the function, then let the market decide how to work with it. Going back to our earlier example

Gateway A has a business model that avoids fractional reserves, focuses on good service and a great reputation.

Gateway B focuses on bringing the best pricing and speedy settlement as their model, both of these models can exist, by providing a collateral concept we provider a simple metric for users to comparatively "shop" in these markets.

Hope this answers your question. I'll post the final piece on the tokens shortly.

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Am i late to participate twitter bounty campaign  Huh

Hi Satria33, Thanks for your interest in openANX...yes, campaign is closed Sad

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June 12, 2017, 04:24:05 AM
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The key of success is a good product for sale, great team with a hugh trust and future development, by the way Good Luck for openANX Cool

I am also interested in investing this project because the team is solid. Ideas are soft but execution are hard.

vuvanle120! Thanks for the support!

Yes, we are very focused on this project and we will work hard to deliver! It helps that many of our team have been working in exchanges and development for years and are aware of the challenges that face projects of this scope. This is what separates us from other "idea only" projects out there.!

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If Gateway A and Gateway B both trade in BTC:ETH why choose one over the other? There are a host of reasons.

1) Better Pricing
2) Reputational variation
3) Speed and Service

In the cryptocurrency space, we see plenty of examples of 1) and 3) in practice, in fact variations in price drive much of what traders do. However, there is no objective yardstick to 2.

There's plenty of forums devoted to opinion and sentiment, and these are valuable, but there is no way to measure exposure or market sentiment in a numeric form. That's the first thing to understand. By providing the following information, we benefit the user

Gateway A - 75% collateralized in ETH in Smart Contract
Gateway B - 20% collateralized in ETH in a Smart Contract

What does that tell a user? Well, nothing directly. But then consider that Gateway A is pricing BTC at $3,009 and Gateway B at $2,950, then it is clear that you can purchase on B and make a saving but the risk is higher. This puts the power back in the users hands.

I want to emphasize the quote ^^
The openANX platform gives you the information you need to price risk via our transparency model. People have different levels of risk tolerance. It is also possible on our platform, to register accounts on both Gateway A and Gateway B and start credit risk trading.

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This is interesting idea to swap bitcoin and ethereum into fiat through this platform potentially it looking very promising project looking forward for more details about upcoming crowdsale hope you will provide best conversion with attractive bonuses.

 
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June 12, 2017, 08:07:55 AM
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I'm still trying to fully understand the openANX model.  

As I understand it, you are improving on the Decentralized Exchange model by adding features to enhance liquidity as well as adding a DAO Governance model. To enhance liquidity, you are proposing to bridge the Centralized Exchanges and their liquidity to the openANX exchange. Why would the centralized exchanges want to bridge their liquidity to a DEX and essentially erode their own userbase & business model?  What incentive do they have to send liquidity to your DEX?

It looks like you really want to target credit markets (ie:/ Credit Default Swaps; Collateralized Debt Obligations), as well as OTC markets. You plan on bridging the fiat & crypto markets with a focus on serving the credit/debt markets on a large scale. Is this correct? What do you see as the potential $$$ market (trade volumes) for these types of asset classes?

So your governance model and smart contracts will assess the credit worthiness of companies and institutions that want to trade assets through openANX (like Credit Default Swaps; CDO's; Bonds). So you'll also be acting like an S&P or Moody's Rating agency on these collateralized companies/mkt participants at the same time. Correct?

So openANX is proposing to mitigate counterparty risks with their collateralized smart contracts. If so, how much collateral are mkt participants required to allocate to the smart contracts?

Regarding the tokens. Their functionality provides membership & voting privileges (Access & Voting rights). In other words, all openANX market participants are required to obtain ANX tokens to transact on the exchange. Correct? The more tokens purchased the more rights and privileges a participant has on the openANX system. Correct?  

Do the tokens have any other functionality (ie. Fees; profit share)?

Any clarification on these topics would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


Hi JWH007 (and janpec1000 who upvoted) sorry for the delay coming back to you, I had to check some details with . a few guys on the team who were travelling over the weekend. It's more than one question, so I'll answer them below in order. If I miss something, please tell me and I will come back to it in a follow up post.

In the case of exchanges eroding their user base, it's a valid point. The first thing to keep in mind is that we think the system is better, and here's why....In the centralized model you relinquish custody to all your assets, in the case of openANX you don't surrender your keys to your ERC20/ETH tokens at all.

Second, We aim to build a consortium of exchanges and we've had initial discussions with a number of them. From the outset, it will probably be tier 2 (regional exchanges) and other decentralized exchanges that join first as they stand to benefit the most initially. Centralized exchanges will want to support a gateway to hedge their risk: decentralized matching is clearly the future.Small exchanges get to utilize a top notch matching engine (rather than attempting to build their own,  and they get access our initial liquidity, or exchanges that don't do a full range of tokens can add those to their existing clients.

It's then that aggregation becomes exponential. Once we have 4-5 exchanges then we become attractive for other reasons. Credit provides consumer protection, and our liquidity now looks attractive to even larger exchanges who can use it only in instances when their own order book can't provide the trade volume they need. So, initially we believe big exchanges will use us to fill gaps in their own books, maybe only running 5-10% of their own business through us. Over time, they will see that if they provide better service in terms of customer service and banking expertise, being part of a bigger ecosystem works because they have access to a larger group of potential clients.

Lastly on this point, the barrier to entry for new gateways drops to near zero. By providing the Matching Engine and the infrastructure solution, it becomes simple for new service providers to become asset gateways, as long as they are able to post collateral.

This drives competition and aggregates liquidity across the platform. As liquidity grows the centralized exchange legacy revenue from opaque matching will become less material.

I'll answer credit markets in the next post.


Credit Markets

Original Question "It looks like you really want to target credit markets (ie:/ Credit Default Swaps; Collateralized Debt Obligations), as well as OTC markets. You plan on bridging the fiat & crypto markets with a focus on serving the credit/debt markets on a large scale. Is this correct? What do you see as the potential $$$ market (trade volumes) for these types of asset classes?"

It's a good question, you've jumped a few steps though. CDO's and CDS's will certainly develop, but at a basic level, credit is about having the information to accurately determine risk of default.

Example
If Gateway A and Gateway B both trade in BTC:ETH why choose one over the other? There are a host of reasons.

1) Better Pricing
2) Reputational variation
3) Speed and Service

In the cryptocurrency space, we see plenty of examples of 1) and 3) in practice, in fact variations in price drive much of what traders do. However, there is no objective yardstick to 2.

There's plenty of forums devoted to opinion and sentiment, and these are valuable, but there is no way to measure exposure or market sentiment in a numeric form. That's the first thing to understand. By providing the following information, we benefit the user

Gateway A - 75% collateralized in ETH in Smart Contract
Gateway B - 20% collateralized in ETH in a Smart Contract

What does that tell a user? Well, nothing directly. But then consider that Gateway A is pricing BTC at $3,009 and Gateway B at $2,950, then it is clear that you can purchase on B and make a saving but the risk is higher. This puts the power back in the users hands.

Another example
A certain large exchange that we all know recently lost the ability to on and off chain fiat. If you were holding tokens from them and needed cash very quickly, you could liquidate your tokens on the credit market at a price reflected in what people were prepared to pay. Is it worth taking the hit on the credit market, or should you move your assets out through a wallet and deal somewhere else? a Collateralized credit system give you some numeric understanding of how people are pricing this risk, and helps you make informed decisions.

In terms of complex credit offerings (CDO's etc) we don't plan on offering those, our plan is to simply open up the credit market and allow 3rd party providers to offer services they want, as long as they meet the requirements for a TP membership. In terms of junks bonds, CDO's, CDS's and mortgage pools, the credit market dwarfs the equity space, It seems likely that there is at least some potential for that in the crypto space.

Essentially
Regards governance model on credit risk, we want to establish an ecosystem in which credit risk specialists and ratings agencies can flourish and compete, rather than providing those services ourself. Counter party credit risk and amounts of collateral pledged will be a function of the marker rather than standard dictated by the foundation or any central planning body.

openANX would not ff the rating agencies that make the assessment. But the platform would be open to service providers who use data mining and other tools to evaluate credit based on available information. The pricing of these gateway tokens not only also provide a market view on their credits, but also enable a credit holder to decrease his exposure if so desired.

Last part on this point,
The level of collateral posted is up to the gateway. A company with a strong brand and reputation may choose to post very little. Our sovereign entity may choose to most a de minimis amount and rely on their country bond => rating. => ultimately this is about transparency and choice for all participants.

Ultimately we want to implement the function, then let the market decide how to work with it. Going back to our earlier example

Gateway A has a business model that avoids fractional reserves, focuses on good service and a great reputation.

Gateway B focuses on bringing the best pricing and speedy settlement as their model, both of these models can exist, by providing a collateral concept we provider a simple metric for users to comparatively "shop" in these markets.

Hope this answers your question. I'll post the final piece on the tokens shortly.


JHW007 Answer Part #3

Congratulations to those guys who are still with me on these long answers to some good questions! I have one update from some of my team members to the part #1 about cannibalizing markets for centralized exchanges

"It's important to understand that for an exchange generally the trading transaction fees are not as compelling as the revenue from providing other services. However the costs of maintaining the system, providing security not just for the system but also having to move crypto to cold storage and back again are not insignificant. There is also the cost of the customer accounting system. Many of these costs would be eliminated"

Token Usage
You are correct that higher level memberships provide greater access and involvement to the platform. In essence, we believe that it is important that the platform is open to all. We will likely have a one time nominal fee the first time someone uses the platform (like $1-$2, currently we like the Economist.com's "Big Mac Index" as this fee) then users will be free to use the platform (obviously paying Gateway fees etc as this is beyond the platforms control).

If they wish to engage with the platform or its users by offering some third party services, have access to voting rights or exclusive groups (KYC Service providers, Asset Gateways, User Groups, Steering Committees etc) they will need to exchange some tokens for membership. These exchanged tokens will be destroyed. This will reduce the total token pool, and will cause deflation in the system.

In addition, once its funds in reserve cross a certain threshold, the openANX platform, through the DAO, will implement an acquisition of OAX tokens on the open market. These tokens will be destroyed.

Hope this answers your questions, if not, post again and I'll post again.

Thanks

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June 12, 2017, 09:53:21 AM
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How is openANX Different?

A lot of the community has asked us to explain the difference between openANX and
other decentralized exchanges out in the market, be it BitSquare, BitShare, Bancor, Raid-X, ShapeShift or others.

The three key areas that differentiate openANX for other platforms can be summarized as follows;
1) Credit Risk markets
2) Asset Gateways
3) Liquidity Aggregation

Read the new article on our Medium blog:
https://medium.com/@OAX_Foundation/how-is-openanx-different-cc5b214988dc

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June 12, 2017, 10:13:01 AM
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Any update about the first stake of signature bounty?

Hi Frankkkk, AsiaNexGen will be counting this first thing this morning (we are in Hong Kong) as soon as he gets it done we'll let you know.

Stakes have been updated. You can check the list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gjOzsKO1TudeUx-cr9bNiCj0MSf2SwAVAEm50era6Y0/edit#gid=1657484316

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nice project and team. they do project management very good and fast update.

because they're a large team to success are continuing. Wink
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I have a question about the bounty campaign. The ICO starts at June 22nd, but the bounty campaign period is about 1 to 2 month. If the ICO tokens are sold out in a short time since it is a promising project. Will the bounty campaign ended in just after the ICO ended?

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I have a question about the bounty campaign. The ICO starts at June 22nd, but the bounty campaign period is about 1 to 2 month. If the ICO tokens are sold out in a short time since it is a promising project. Will the bounty campaign ended in just after the ICO ended?

Hi  juicejoyce thanks for the note. Just to clarify, if the program runs through to the end (midnight July 21) that would be just shy of 7.5 weeks. If we finish early it will be around, 3-4 weeks at the earliest. If that is the case, we will round out the full week (for example if it's Monday we'll pay through to the end of that week) then close out.

Of course, if people go ABOVE and beyond in their help promoting the project, we may consider paying an extra week to those guys who we think did awesome work. I'll run it past AsiaNexgen to confirm, but that seems likely at this stage.


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so it's open source or nah? I couldn't find the repository
so it's not open source ,nor transparent right??

Quite transparent Smiley



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I think when the Technical White Paper will be published, you'll be able to find all the info there.
You may sign up to be informed when it will be available: https://www.openanx.org/en/


Hi guys, thanks bitvoyager!

Technical white paper is released Wednesday and we'll put it out on the Slack channel first for subscribers. We'll post it to the website and to GitHub!

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June 12, 2017, 02:32:23 PM
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New partnership and advisor news!
Check out our medium post -> https://medium.com/@OAX_Foundation/new-partnership-and-advisor-news-6c1d7211f90


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Thanks very much ANX Marketing for your detailed response to my questions. It provided some good clarity.

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I have a question about the bounty campaign. The ICO starts at June 22nd, but the bounty campaign period is about 1 to 2 month. If the ICO tokens are sold out in a short time since it is a promising project. Will the bounty campaign ended in just after the ICO ended?

most campaign will end after ico.
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How is openANX Different?

A lot of the community has asked us to explain the difference between openANX and
other decentralized exchanges out in the market, be it BitSquare, BitShare, Bancor, Raid-X, ShapeShift or others.

The three key areas that differentiate openANX for other platforms can be summarized as follows;
1) Credit Risk markets
2) Asset Gateways
3) Liquidity Aggregation

Read the new article on our Medium blog:
https://medium.com/@OAX_Foundation/how-is-openanx-different-cc5b214988dc

Liquidity aggregation is defenetly something that interests me the most. Could you provide example how could current centralized crypto exchanges use it to increase liquidity of overall assets, and is there real basis point that they would be interested in doing that? I know you mentioned that some exchanges might not be interested as it is part of competition, for investing i think its important to get decent overview of which current exchanges might be interested joining in this. To be honest as investor i would be much more interested if you guys would release some agreements with current crypto exchanges that would be willing to participate. Problably the lowest liquid exchanges would have largest interested to do so, if you guys could bulk some companies willing to enter, that would increase the realibility of investment much more. Obviously i have no right to make any kind of pushes, take the above said just as a positive suggestion that would benefit project.

Also is there milestone when project is set to be completed?

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How is openANX Different?

A lot of the community has asked us to explain the difference between openANX and
other decentralized exchanges out in the market, be it BitSquare, BitShare, Bancor, Raid-X, ShapeShift or others.

The three key areas that differentiate openANX for other platforms can be summarized as follows;
1) Credit Risk markets
2) Asset Gateways
3) Liquidity Aggregation

Read the new article on our Medium blog:
https://medium.com/@OAX_Foundation/how-is-openanx-different-cc5b214988dc

Liquidity aggregation is defenetly something that interests me the most. Could you provide example how could current centralized crypto exchanges use it to increase liquidity of overall assets, and is there real basis point that they would be interested in doing that? I know you mentioned that some exchanges might not be interested as it is part of competition, for investing i think its important to get decent overview of which current exchanges might be interested joining in this. To be honest as investor i would be much more interested if you guys would release some agreements with current crypto exchanges that would be willing to participate. Problably the lowest liquid exchanges would have largest interested to do so, if you guys could bulk some companies willing to enter, that would increase the realibility of investment much more. Obviously i have no right to make any kind of pushes, take the above said just as a positive suggestion that would benefit project.

Also is there milestone when project is set to be completed?

Hey janopec1000! Thanks for the question. The best view of the timeline is on the website, we plan to deliver the prototype in q2 2018. I'll come back to you on the other questions tomorrow.

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openANX/0x Cryptocurrency/Blockchain discussion

Hugh Madden, Technical Director of the openANX project sits down with
Amir Bandeali, CTO and Co-Founder of 0x and Will Warren, CEO and Co-Founder

Watch the video:
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2PboMAJwcI
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxN0Rh8L_Y8
 

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what will be the prise of 1 OAX token ?
is there benefit for early buyer ? reduced fees or something else ?
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