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July 03, 2017, 01:41:50 PM
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If BTC becomes a more centralized speculative asset, i dont think volatility can be controled. If it finds a way to work around it´s limitations and gains widespread usage the "true" decentralization would mean less volatility IMO

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July 03, 2017, 01:45:17 PM
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Bitcoin volatility cannot be controlled because bitcoin is decentralized so there is no person or organization that can control the volatility of bitcoin even the bitcoin itself because it is only depending to the demand of the people in the market so as long as there is demand in the market then the price or volatility will still occur because there is no fix number of demands in a free market.
Correct its still be depends on how the market moves and how the value will bring volatility will be there and can never be control by people around demands and supply just like how economics works the only thing is those who understand and have the time to wait are those who really enjoy and earned.

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July 03, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
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I have read some posts and some concerns that it is the volatility of Bitcoin that is preventing many people and many businesses to fully adopt Bitcoin. This can be the main factor why big online shopping stores are not yet adding Bitcoin into their payment facilities (though there is now a circulated petition for this but I doubt if it can make a dent).

Some are really saying that if volatility can be managed then we can see Bitcoin going mainstream. I am wondering then: Is volatility something that we should find a way to control and how do you think it can be done?
I think the only way that volatility can be managed is if bitcoin is being used by more people where there is less control of the few to dictate the price. This will not happen in the near future as bitcoin is still a very young currency and still in its development stage. But as years go by and more people are able to use it, the price is going to reach a point where it will stabilize and only minor movements are to be seen.
Yes this can probably stabilize the volatility a little, but still, there will be traders who deal in high amounts and which will ultimately lead to this volatility in price. The main reason for the volatility is because BTC is still considered as an investment venture rather than a currency because of that many people just want to buy low sell high.
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July 03, 2017, 03:44:00 PM
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I have read some posts and some concerns that it is the volatility of Bitcoin that is preventing many people and many businesses to fully adopt Bitcoin. This can be the main factor why big online shopping stores are not yet adding Bitcoin into their payment facilities (though there is now a circulated petition for this but I doubt if it can make a dent).

Some are really saying that if volatility can be managed then we can see Bitcoin going mainstream. I am wondering then: Is volatility something that we should find a way to control and how do you think it can be done?
I think volitality is something we can not control since the majority of bitcoin shares is not in our hand thus we have out of control of it. However this is somthing can be lessen if we will all work together to widespread crypto currency.

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July 03, 2017, 04:02:40 PM
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No one can control bitcoin. That is why the price of all crypto currencies is not stable. When you develop trade with bitcoin then the price can be stabilized, but this is not a fact. The state has created many different mechanisms for regulation of various markets, but they are powerless in the face of bitcoin.
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July 03, 2017, 04:04:29 PM
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From most merchants' perspectives, there is no volatility at all.  They don't need there to be volatility, because as soon as they receive a payment they can convert their coins back into good old fiat, which is what they wanted all along.  The idea that they "accept Bitcoin" is misleading, because while you can pay in Bitcoin, what they're really looking for is fiat.

There are even companies like Bitpay which can let a merchant accept Bitcoin and then give them fiat deposits directly into their bank account without them having to lift a finger, and all this is done with just a 1% fee.

I know 1% sounds like a high fee, but Visa, PayPal and most other payment systems charge much higher fees than that.

So volatility absolutely doesn't stop merchants accepting BTC, nor is it something that can be changed easily.
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July 03, 2017, 04:09:27 PM
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Historically volatility grew less with growing market cap. Which makes sense, because the higher the market cap, the more money it takes to move the price in any meaningful way. I think this trend will continue.

https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/volatility-index/

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July 03, 2017, 04:22:29 PM
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I have read some posts and some concerns that it is the volatility of Bitcoin that is preventing many people and many businesses to fully adopt Bitcoin. This can be the main factor why big online shopping stores are not yet adding Bitcoin into their payment facilities (though there is now a circulated petition for this but I doubt if it can make a dent).

Some are really saying that if volatility can be managed then we can see Bitcoin going mainstream. I am wondering then: Is volatility something that we should find a way to control and how do you think it can be done?

I don't feel volatility of bitcoin could be control taking any measure. Bitcoin is now mainstream as investment and large number of users use it as speculative mean and hardly concern its utility.
Also we noticed that commodity's volatility controlled when flow of money increase as larger the cap, lesser the volatility. But in case of bitcoin we are far from this as even bitcoin cap is 3 times the last year but still it fluctuates $500-1000 weekly.

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July 03, 2017, 04:31:28 PM
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I have read some posts and some concerns that it is the volatility of Bitcoin that is preventing many people and many businesses to fully adopt Bitcoin. This can be the main factor why big online shopping stores are not yet adding Bitcoin into their payment facilities (though there is now a circulated petition for this but I doubt if it can make a dent).

Some are really saying that if volatility can be managed then we can see Bitcoin going mainstream. I am wondering then: Is volatility something that we should find a way to control and how do you think it can be done?
Yes, some people can control the market cryptocurrency, not only Bitcoin. They can create some waves a trend up or down call is breakout or crash, then seek to spread the news to the community and waiting trader continue this waves they created. Final, take profit and kill trader go backward the trend Smiley
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July 03, 2017, 09:50:54 PM
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If BTC becomes a more centralized speculative asset, i dont think volatility can be controled. If it finds a way to work around it´s limitations and gains widespread usage the "true" decentralization would mean less volatility IMO
well bitcoin is known by all the countries now and it is being use on a high level so I think it’s really hard and tough task to control its volatility now infect its nearly equal to impossible as bitcoin is spreading all around the world everyone wants to get max amount of bitcoin so it’s not possible.
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July 03, 2017, 10:05:27 PM
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I have read some posts and some concerns that it is the volatility of Bitcoin that is preventing many people and many businesses to fully adopt Bitcoin. This can be the main factor why big online shopping stores are not yet adding Bitcoin into their payment facilities (though there is now a circulated petition for this but I doubt if it can make a dent).

Some are really saying that if volatility can be managed then we can see Bitcoin going mainstream. I am wondering then: Is volatility something that we should find a way to control and how do you think it can be done?
Yes, some people can control the market cryptocurrency, not only Bitcoin. They can create some waves a trend up or down call is breakout or crash, then seek to spread the news to the community and waiting trader continue this waves they created. Final, take profit and kill trader go backward the trend Smiley

No it can be controlled. Well not for the long term. The price of bitcoin will always be volatile. And as far the people that can control, you are referring to whales. Those people or entities that holds huge amount of bitcoin that a simple selling order will really crash the market. But I doubt investors like that still exist now. Bitcoin has som many investors and every a backing of a country. So its hard to manipulate the price of bitcoin unlike bitcoin where the Chinese can easily do it with fake volumes.

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July 04, 2017, 12:43:56 AM
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One of the reason it existed was for no one could controlled it, but people always find the way to do it. Maybe like a very damn % are able to do it if they wanted to.
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July 04, 2017, 01:18:41 AM
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There were two concrete proposals to control volatility in the last weeks. Unfortunately, they didn't get much traction. Maybe most Bitcoiners are happy with the volatility - at least if the price trend goes up Grin - and so it would be better to promote these solutions when there is the next crash.

This proposal is modelled after a "federal reserve" for Bitcoin and is totally decentralized - all participants move regularly BTC to fiat on their preferred exchange. Everyone can participate already today, although a trading bot would make things easier.

This proposal, instead, proposes to back the Bitcoin price with goods and services. The idea is that merchants can be given the option to guarantee a price for 24 hours, for example - the idea is that they benefit from higher sales in the case of a downmove or crash. In theory this proposal can be implemented by every merchant on his own, or by merchant platforms and payment processors like Bitpay.

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July 04, 2017, 01:23:47 AM
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Once the marketcap of bitcoin increases another 10x and doesn't have huge crashes we will see relative stability in price because at those levels it will take huge sums to move the price in either direction. I think just comparing bitcoin volatility now at its current marketcap to that of 3-5 years ago the trend is clear, higher valuation brings more stability.

In other words we don't need to do anything to achieve that, just wait. Obviously there will always be some volatility but it will be relatively stable like any mainstream fiat currency, or like gold.
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July 04, 2017, 04:33:37 AM
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I have read some posts and some concerns that it is the volatility of Bitcoin that is preventing many people and many businesses to fully adopt Bitcoin. This can be the main factor why big online shopping stores are not yet adding Bitcoin into their payment facilities (though there is now a circulated petition for this but I doubt if it can make a dent).

Some are really saying that if volatility can be managed then we can see Bitcoin going mainstream. I am wondering then: Is volatility something that we should find a way to control and how do you think it can be done?

1. I do not think that volatility of bitcoin is a particularly big concern. In fact even in uncertain times like right now, bitcoin has barely moved. It's hanging around $2500ish quite nicely at the moment, no major fluctuations happening.
2. Volatility will not be an issue as soon as mass adoption happens, right now speculators far outweigh regular economic activies conducted on bitcoin, but as soon as this swings the other way around volatility will be solved by itself.
3. Any measures of artificially reducing or increasing the price of a commodity or currency involves a central entity, and bitcoin doesn't and shouldn't have one. Some altcoins do have stability funds, but imo thats just another excuse for the founders to premine coins. I believe nautiluscoin is an example.

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July 04, 2017, 04:36:27 AM
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I have read some posts and some concerns that it is the volatility of Bitcoin that is preventing many people and many businesses to fully adopt Bitcoin. This can be the main factor why big online shopping stores are not yet adding Bitcoin into their payment facilities (though there is now a circulated petition for this but I doubt if it can make a dent).

Some are really saying that if volatility can be managed then we can see Bitcoin going mainstream. I am wondering then: Is volatility something that we should find a way to control and how do you think it can be done?

Of course, if a business uses bitcoin as a means of payment, they suffer losses when the value of the bitcoin varies, which forces businesses to be really strong to be able to overcome each blow squirrel.


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July 04, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
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There were two concrete proposals to control volatility in the last weeks. Unfortunately, they didn't get much traction. Maybe most Bitcoiners are happy with the volatility - at least if the price trend goes up Grin - and so it would be better to promote these solutions when there is the next crash.

This proposal is modelled after a "federal reserve" for Bitcoin and is totally decentralized - all participants move regularly BTC to fiat on their preferred exchange. Everyone can participate already today, although a trading bot would make things easier.

This proposal, instead, proposes to back the Bitcoin price with goods and services. The idea is that merchants can be given the option to guarantee a price for 24 hours, for example - the idea is that they benefit from higher sales in the case of a downmove or crash. In theory this proposal can be implemented by every merchant on his own, or by merchant platforms and payment processors like Bitpay.

Thanks for the two proposals.

The most obvious way would be to introduce a bitcoin central bank, where one entity controls much of the monetary supply. But this is entirely against the reason for having bitcoin in the first place, so i don't think that anyone will endorse this idea.

The 24h price lock is viable, and definitely interesting. Although within 24 hours you'd expect bitcoin not to fluctuate that much anyways, and normally you'd see a maximum of 10% fluctuation within a day. What we need is like a p2p network of users trading goods for bitcoin, and they don't care whether bitcoin is at 1 USD or 10000 USD. All they care about is the sum in bitcoin. The services and goods section usually has a lot of offers that are priced in bitcoin and don't change, but it needs to be done on a grander scale.














 

 

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July 04, 2017, 10:01:13 AM
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I think the votatility of bitcoin be control by people  continious using bitcoin.If bitcoin users continue to support bitcoin instead of votatility bitcoin will be powerful.Because this coin now is is very popular and welknown now because of many benifits espscially to all interested have a chance to be a millionaire.

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I have read some posts and some concerns that it is the volatility of Bitcoin that is preventing many people and many businesses to fully adopt Bitcoin. This can be the main factor why big online shopping stores are not yet adding Bitcoin into their payment facilities (though there is now a circulated petition for this but I doubt if it can make a dent).

Some are really saying that if volatility can be managed then we can see Bitcoin going mainstream. I am wondering then: Is volatility something that we should find a way to control and how do you think it can be done?

Yes, sure, bitcoin always fluctuates, however, that volatility is always adjusted by the head of the trading floor.


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July 04, 2017, 10:23:59 AM
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At the moment the volatility cannot be controlled because to me, bitcoin space is still evolving and that is the reason why everyone needs to move with the tide in other to benefit from the current phenomenon. However, in the near future when the penetration has reached a maturity stage, it wont be be controlled due to the lack of a central body but would rather be predictable because at that point, the entrants and moneybags will not be able to swing the market with a lot of margin due to the enormous spread that would have occurred.

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