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July 23, 2013, 11:36:52 AM |
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with DHL? what paperwork was included ? a CE certification document? what about the invoice? thanks
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July 23, 2013, 11:39:02 AM |
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Invoice in batch#3 is valued in btc, $ value is hand written next to it. Expect problems at customs.
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July 23, 2013, 11:43:27 AM |
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well the value in $ is declared officially in DHL document thus this is not much of a problem. the real problem is the CE. i wonder about batch #2 avalons though. Were there any problems with CE?
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July 23, 2013, 12:12:34 PM |
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I wish we could organise group lawsuit. If all batch #3 customers wish to throw few btc for that we could afford very nice and effective lawyer. This would be only rational way of dealing with Bitsyncom, any only hope for partial refund of bitcoins that they have mined with our equipment.
If this week pass without a positive result, I would suggest to talk with this law firm http://www.coindesk.com/us-law-firm-nesenoff-miltenberg-accepts-payment-in-bitcoin/. As far as I know it's possible in US that a group of people can start together a law suit. So customers could organize and these law firm could take up that case. They could be even personally interested in such a case as this would bring some publicity. Besides this it would be a signal for the whole industry to take care of customers and regulations. We even could pay the law firm with Bitcoins, so customers all over the wold can participate without big problems.
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July 23, 2013, 12:16:56 PM |
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with DHL? what paperwork was included ? a CE certification document? what about the invoice? thanks Yes DHL. No paperwork included other than the invoice. No CE.
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July 23, 2013, 02:02:24 PM |
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Isn't CE only required if a power plug is included? These are just electronic spare parts...
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pikeadz
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July 23, 2013, 02:24:36 PM |
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Also, I see now that mine read $1500 for the customs declaration because there were three of them and only one invoice. If you ordered only one, it should read $500 like Tyger's.
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July 23, 2013, 02:30:35 PM |
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I wish these things were only $500 each!
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July 23, 2013, 04:17:22 PM |
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Thanks for everyone posting when their status changes. But, can you please post whether it is a 3 or 4 board unit also? I do not believe anyone has been shipped a 4 board unit yet and would like to know when they ship them.
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July 23, 2013, 04:19:03 PM |
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Thanks for everyone posting when their status changes. But, can you please post whether it is a 3 or 4 board unit also? I do not believe anyone has been shipped a 4 board unit yet and would like to know when they ship them.
I think that they have power problems with the 4 module Avalon. Did you see the photo with the upgrade design? 1 Power connector for 2 moduls wont work! The pins cant handle 400 watt. Iam pretty sure that their avalon got melted and that they had to change that.
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July 23, 2013, 05:21:37 PM |
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I wonder if it is still possible to request a refund, given that there are no signs of 4 module units shipped.
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July 23, 2013, 06:02:24 PM |
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A scammer tag wouldn't hurt them, you have to go after their cash and for this you would need to involve a legal entity. I'm really curious if their business practice are conform with US law. Selling products under wrong promises (ROI prediction), sending out products as samples even they aren't. Import products without needed certifications, let customers abroad pay in foreign currency to private bank accounts (chinese customers could pay in RMB to an chinese account). Using customer products for own profit before delivery,.... Is all that really legal in US? The list could be even more extended, could be worth to let an attorney look into this case, all this points looking suspicious to me.
I agree a scammer tag won't do much. I guarantee if they keep delaying and not delivering more batch 1/2/3 machines and chip orders, there will definitely be some people filing lawsuits against them (me included if they keep delaying or just ignore me and never ship my equipment.) There are several lawsuits forming for BFL customers that I've heard of, Avalon's day is coming too if they don't get their stuff straightened out. I believe Avalon is a USA registered company by Bitsyncom, so it is certainly under the jurisdiction of US courts. CoinHoarder is correct. Avalon can be sued for evidence of economic loss and false advertisement. A class action lawsuit can be put in place as well. On a criminal standpoint, Avalon can be prosecuted for money laundering in the U.S. I've been extremely patient. I am consulting legal action now with my counsel.
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July 23, 2013, 06:08:42 PM |
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July 23, 2013, 07:00:42 PM |
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Looks like more than 10 now. I hope one of them is mine ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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July 23, 2013, 07:33:45 PM |
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Let's see ... 4 module avalons being tested. Finally. Based on prior experience with RLW spikes, expect shipping to begin next week.
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July 23, 2013, 07:40:29 PM |
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yifu can avoid all these threats by being more honest, communicative and transparent
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July 24, 2013, 12:03:57 PM |
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RLW update: hash rate dropped from 4300 Gh/s to half of that. Units probably shipping soon.
Disclaimer: pure speculation
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July 24, 2013, 12:26:28 PM |
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I cant believe it. They shipped the chips first. We will never reach ROI now.
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Einer trage des andern Last, so werdet ihr das Gesetz Christi erfüllen.
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July 24, 2013, 12:29:38 PM |
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I cant believe it. They shipped the chips first. We will never reach ROI now.
Source?
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July 24, 2013, 12:33:42 PM |
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I cant believe it. They shipped the chips first. We will never reach ROI now.
Source? Bitcointalk forum? Look at zefirs chip distribution for example. He received the first 10,000 chips a few days ago
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Einer trage des andern Last, so werdet ihr das Gesetz Christi erfüllen.
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