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April 22, 2019, 01:42:48 PM
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The markets have decided what is bitcoin and what is not.

No. The markets have decided which chain it is that is currently preferred by the preponderance of participants. It has nothing to do with the question of 'what is bitcoin'.

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April 22, 2019, 03:50:54 PM
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BCH and BSV - what's the difference if both are for a big block? As I understand BCH tend to solve problems as they come in, now quite block of 8 MB and 80 TPS for the deduction of charges 1 Satos for bytes, so the block there is 8 MB but BSV wants billions TPS to now make ready for the entire network and to make impossible the future intervention of the developers

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April 22, 2019, 04:44:38 PM
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BCH and BSV - what's the difference if both are for a big block? As I understand BCH tend to solve problems as they come in, now quite block of 8 MB and 80 TPS for the deduction of charges 1 Satos for bytes, so the block there is 8 MB but BSV wants billions TPS to now make ready for the entire network and to make impossible the future intervention of the developers

I think you answered your own question.

BCH seems to strive for continuous innovation at the protocol layer.

SV seems to strive for stabilizing the protocol at a state that already handles all meaningful use cases.

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April 23, 2019, 05:21:59 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4985868.msg50732546#msg50732546

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April 23, 2019, 07:03:35 AM
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No one is against BCH if they correct the facts that it is altcoin and that's why we see it in this section. Having Bitcoin at the start of name juts misleading the newbies and lot of people have lost money in this confusion. If you compete based on true work and on technical basis then stage is free but using brand name to confuse people is all on what people don't agree.
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April 23, 2019, 07:31:10 AM
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A dictatorship involves un democratic rule. You telling us that we are wrong because our views on what is bitcoin do not align with yours is a dictatorship because no rule has been established as to what constitutes bitcoin. You have not given any precedent as to why bitcoin is BTC but rather slandering those who do not agree with you. You are a dictator and guys like Lauda who have abused their hierarchy of control and power to assign negative feedback to those whose views do not align with yours towards bitcoin have oppressed the opinions of those against your unprecedented rulings.

The markets are a third party completely irrelevant to what constitutes bitcoin. You’re telling me that Apple is ruled by NASDAQ?

I gave you plenty of reasoning as to why btc is bitcoin and you, like jbreher, just shove your fingers in your ears and say 'no no no no' like 4 year olds. The markets, the exchanges and the consumers have decided via majority opinion that btc is bitcoin. You are free to dissent but nobody gives a shit, and you certainly aren't making an impactful change on reality.

Btw if the forum was run by dictators Lauda would have just banned your ass, but you're still here flapping your gums, so what are you crying about?





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April 23, 2019, 12:16:21 PM
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A dictatorship involves un democratic rule. You telling us that we are wrong because our views on what is bitcoin do not align with yours is a dictatorship because no rule has been established as to what constitutes bitcoin. You have not given any precedent as to why bitcoin is BTC but rather slandering those who do not agree with you. You are a dictator and guys like Lauda who have abused their hierarchy of control and power to assign negative feedback to those whose views do not align with yours towards bitcoin have oppressed the opinions of those against your unprecedented rulings.

The markets are a third party completely irrelevant to what constitutes bitcoin. You’re telling me that Apple is ruled by NASDAQ?

I gave you plenty of reasoning as to why btc is bitcoin and you, like jbreher, just shove your fingers in your ears and say 'no no no no' like 4 year olds. The markets, the exchanges and the consumers have decided via majority opinion that btc is bitcoin. You are free to dissent but nobody gives a shit, and you certainly aren't making an impactful change on reality.

Btw if the forum was run by dictators Lauda would have just banned your ass, but you're still here flapping your gums, so what are you crying about?

Mate, dissenting opinions come from dissenting judgements in court rulings. There was never a judgement in a ruling what constitutes bitcoin so there is no dissenting opinion or judgement.

Edit: name one court in one country that has constituted btc as bitcoin and I’m wrong.

Go on, name one.

If you cannot then we can agree that there is no definition legally as to what constitutes bitcoin, right?

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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April 23, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
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No. The markets have decided which chain it is that is currently preferred by the preponderance of participants. It has nothing to do with the question of 'what is bitcoin'.

Remember when the narrative from most "big blockers" was that Bitcoin was the most cumulative hashrate as defined in the whitepaper and that miners ultimately decide/vote on the direction of Bitcoin influenced by market forces?

Now that Bcash has failed to convince the majority of users, miners, exchanges, merchants, devs it is pivoting to defining bitcoin as ones individual subjective interpretation and ignoring the whitepaper.

The Hypocrisy.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

Bcash supporters made the wrong bet and despite all the evidence over a sustained time will still remain stubbornly delusional because admitting otherwise is simply too painful.
They are hanging on a glimmer of hope that the market will rush over to their altcoin during the next bull market because of fees ignoring this has already been tested in 2017 and making the incorrect assumption that they exist in a vacuum and incorrectly believing they are the only substitute good available. 
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April 23, 2019, 01:39:57 PM
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No. The markets have decided which chain it is that is currently preferred by the preponderance of participants. It has nothing to do with the question of 'what is bitcoin'.

Remember when the narrative from most "big blockers" was that Bitcoin was the most cumulative hashrate as defined in the whitepaper and that miners ultimately decide/vote on the direction of Bitcoin influenced by market forces?

Now that Bcash has failed to convince the majority of users, miners, exchanges, merchants, devs it is pivoting to defining bitcoin as ones individual subjective interpretation and ignoring the whitepaper.

The Hypocrisy.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

Bcash supporters made the wrong bet and despite all the evidence over a sustained time will still remain stubbornly delusional because admitting otherwise is simply too painful.
They are hanging on a glimmer of hope that the market will rush over to their altcoin during the next bull market because of fees ignoring this has already been tested in 2017 and making the incorrect assumption that they exist in a vacuum and incorrectly believing they are the only substitute good available. 

But isn’t that the beauty of it? The capitalist economic model that allows miners to compete on hashrate? So that developers cannot change the rule set and power is eliminated at base protocol level. That’s gone with lightning, they’ve merely tried to eliminate the purpose of mining and give power to a development team (blockstream) who collect the fees instead of the miners.

It’s very difficult for me to understand why blockstream should capitalize on the bitcoin network as a whole, how 8 people control the fate of development when a system is available for miners to compete on an equal playing field.

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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April 23, 2019, 01:45:47 PM
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So that developers cannot change the rule set and power is eliminated at base protocol level. That’s gone with lightning, they’ve merely tried to eliminate the purpose of mining and give power to a development team


Developers cannot force code on economic nodes whether regular full nodes or miners.

You are also going off topic with a conspiracy theory instead of acknowledging that Bcash supporters have changed their narrative



It’s very difficult for me to understand why blockstream should capitalize on the bitcoin network as a whole, how 8 people control the fate of development when a system is available for miners to compete on an equal playing field.

There are many implementations and many companies and users which benefit from Bitcoin, not just that insignificant(In relation to the size of the whole ecosystem) company
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April 23, 2019, 02:02:48 PM
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Mate, dissenting opinions come from dissenting judgements in court rulings. There was never a judgement in a ruling what constitutes bitcoin so there is no dissenting opinion or judgement.

Edit: name one court in one country that has constituted btc as bitcoin and I’m wrong.

Go on, name one.

If you cannot then we can agree that there is no definition legally as to what constitutes bitcoin, right?

Courts don't have to rule on common sense issues in order for the world to turn. Bitcoin doesn't need court rulings to exist. Satoshi was not a lawyer and he created bitcoin for all to use.

No government has to rule on the definition of bitcoin for bitcoin to continue being bitcoin. I really don't see what point you're even driving at. Just trying to eek out a hollow victory to punctuate your string of losses I suppose.





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April 23, 2019, 02:07:06 PM
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Mate, dissenting opinions come from dissenting judgements in court rulings. There was never a judgement in a ruling what constitutes bitcoin so there is no dissenting opinion or judgement.

Edit: name one court in one country that has constituted btc as bitcoin and I’m wrong.

Go on, name one.

If you cannot then we can agree that there is no definition legally as to what constitutes bitcoin, right?

*snip unprecedented irrelevant opinion inapplicable to any legal system.

No court in any legal system in any country has ruled what constitutes Bitcoin.


Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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April 23, 2019, 03:56:10 PM
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You nerds still arguing over whether a shitcoin is Bitcoin or not?

Bcash is dead. Its a failed experiment. Perhaps it coulda gone farther if it's whole boat wasn't riding on how well it could trick the general public into thinking it was Bitcoin.

Cue Verpologists: but it's not dead it has a market cap value derrrr

Wash trading. It will be completely irrelevant in years if not months. Just following the general trend.
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April 25, 2019, 10:07:18 AM
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https://medium.com/@_unwriter/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-cash-experiment-52b86d8cd187





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April 28, 2019, 11:47:54 AM
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Together we stand
Dived we fall!

Nevermind
Now I am waiting for BSH - Bitcoin sh*t  Lips sealed

The price of Bitcoin Cash is quite large now. It keeps well against the background of the last fall of the cryptocurrency market.

$2xx now  against over $4000 at ATH you are calling keeping well??

Cryptocurrencies are man-made things so can't be ideal (but can be better and better)  and aren't ideal but in  my opinion worst thing which could happen was to divide our community!

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April 28, 2019, 06:46:26 PM
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Today I bought BCH and price of BCH is going down, dump spotted on binance! any thought about BCH that will it go up again or follow downtrend constantly?
Bitcoin is stable but other top cryptocurrencies like eth, xrp and bch start going down. Let's hope BCH will cross $266 very soon.  Cool
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April 28, 2019, 07:34:48 PM
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That's what it is for now even though Roger Ver is trying to say that Bitcoin Cash should be successful independently of Bitcoin, but that is not true.

Because ... reasons? Just take your word for it?

I just said that as of now Bitcoin Cash will depend on Bitcoin. If BTC price goes up BCH price will also go up and vice versa.

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April 29, 2019, 05:56:58 AM
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Binance wants all that token stuff on their chain -

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5109801.20

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April 29, 2019, 07:29:54 AM
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In current market environment don't expect any upward movement in BCH or anything else which will be sustainable. We continuously will see pumps and dumps on partnerships announcements but those are temporary. Until Bitcoin doesn't take clear position once again much more likely downward is fate of all altcoin coins including BCH.
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April 29, 2019, 07:50:48 AM
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growing unknown hashrate, already 44%, probably will be another hardfork may 15

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