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May 13, 2013, 04:13:58 PM
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This is the official info thread of ASICMINER Blade sales for remaining interested miners after three successful auctions.

First      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178275.0
Second  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189248.0
Third     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201753.0

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  Hashrate: baseline 10GHash/s, rated 10.752GHash/s, maximum 12.829GHash/s with overclocking and proper cooling
  Power Consumption: 70-75W on 1.03-1.05V, 83W on 1.1V, 100W on 1.2V, 120W on 1.2V and overclocking
  Hasher size: 233mm x 116mm with a 227mm x 100mm x 19mm heat sink attached to its back
  Power module size: 192mm x 89mm
  Ethernet controller size: 86mm x 40mm  

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Purchasing
  Pricing: retail price 49.99BTC each, 48.99 each if quantity >= 10 in a single order, 47.99 each if quantity >= 20 in a single order.
  Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number. PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored.
  Shipping: DHL for international, SF-Express for China.

Notes
  1. Fans are not accompanied with blades anymore. They were more or less intended to serve as a help of quick setup and mining testing for users who haven't got proper cooling yet, but turns out to be quite misleading by making people think the fans are powerful enough to cool the (already)over-voltaged and (easily)over-clocked blades.
  2. To make the whole shipping process smooth enough, no more racks are given out or for sales. As a compensate we practice the bulk price discount as shown above.
  3. Please be aware that the payment processing and shipping will be less prioritized than the remaining orders in the third auction. It may be 1-2 days less timely before the third auction's shipping is completed. After that it will resume the instant-style speed.

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May 13, 2013, 04:21:24 PM
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Wow. Nice to have options ready to ship.

Don't get caught up in the game and have a nice day!
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asicminer is gonna be the google of bitcoins...
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May 13, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
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Looks good.  Need to crunch some numbers.  A Groupbuy is setup with hosting & management https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=204118.0.  Very interesting little product.


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May 13, 2013, 04:40:08 PM
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nearly 5000 Euro, not quite there yet Angry
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May 13, 2013, 04:42:04 PM
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Credit where it's due, ASICMINER is a very impressive outfit.

Bravo sirs.
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May 13, 2013, 04:48:04 PM
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nearly 5000 Euro, not quite there yet Angry

The pricing is good. It's selling like chips.

As a shareholder and buyer I approve  Cheesy

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May 13, 2013, 04:51:13 PM
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nearly 5000 Euro, not quite there yet Angry

Don't think in Euros, think in Bitcoins.

That said, 50 BTC is still way too steep a price for such a low performance hasher. The rising difficulty will push ROI time way back into 4th quarter of this year at least, and by then nobody has good estimates or even guesses of difficulty. Too many unknowns, ASICMINER themselves being one of them.

At that price, the only ones benefiting are ASICMINER shareholders. Good for them I guess Wink

EDIT: for comparison, in "Avalon equivalents", you'd pay about 278 BTC to get one 3-module Avalon unit out of these blades (67k/12k). If you were to assemble an "Avalon-erupter" with 12Ghash/s from Avalon chips, you'd pay less than 4 BTC (without any other components though, so that comparison isn't entirely valid). Put simply, these are way overpriced.

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May 13, 2013, 04:52:02 PM
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nearly 5000 Euro, not quite there yet Angry

The pricing is good. It's selling like chips.

As a shareholder and buyer I approve  Cheesy

I'm sorry, my comment was that my finances were not there yet, not this offer.  Sorry for the confusion.  I TOTALLY would if I COULD.
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May 13, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
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wow.  I want one but can't afford yet.

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nearly 5000 Euro, not quite there yet Angry

Don't think in Euros, think in Bitcoins.

That said, 50 BTC is still way too steep a price for such a low performance hasher. The rising difficulty will push ROI time way back into 4th quarter of this year at least, and by then nobody has good estimates or even guesses of difficulty. Too many unknowns, ASICMINER themselves being one of them.

At that price, the only ones benefiting are ASICMINER shareholders. Good for them I guess Wink

I agree, I should be thinking in Bitcoins, unfortunately I'm new to this and would need to purchase 50 BTC to spend it.  My own fault for getting into this so late, either way, I'm happy with my 1 GHash at the moment.
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I agree, I should be thinking in Bitcoins, unfortunately I'm new to this and would need to purchase 50 BTC to spend it.  My own fault for getting into this so late, either way, I'm happy with my 1 GHash at the moment.

1 Sell cards
2 Acquire Block Erupter blade(s)
3 Profit

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Since i bought 12 + 2 outside the auction time and already payed for them all shouldnt i have some discount since you are now saying that it costs 48.99 in quantities bigger then 10?

I do not think is fair that i paid 50 for all of them just some hours ago...

please let me know. thanks
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I agree, I should be thinking in Bitcoins, unfortunately I'm new to this and would need to purchase 50 BTC to spend it.  My own fault for getting into this so late, either way, I'm happy with my 1 GHash at the moment.

1 Sell cards
2 Acquire Block Erupter blade(s)
3 Profit ASICMINER shareholders

There, fixed for you. I guess some people are happy to pay 10x margins. At least you're honest when you say you hold AM shares Wink

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Since i bought 12 + 2 outside the auction time and already payed for them all shouldnt i have some discount since you are now saying that it costs 48.99 in quantities bigger then 10?

I do not think is fair that i paid 50 for all of them just some hours ago...

please let me know. thanks

Of course it's fair. You agreed to the terms offered already.
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I want to purchase 2 blades. How to proceed?

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Is there a limit as to how many will be sold (at least for the immediate future) or will as many be sold as people attempt to buy?

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These are unlikely to break even in under 6 months. Maybe 12 months. That's too long a time frame for my investment comforts.

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I agree, I should be thinking in Bitcoins, unfortunately I'm new to this and would need to purchase 50 BTC to spend it.  My own fault for getting into this so late, either way, I'm happy with my 1 GHash at the moment.

1 Sell cards
2 Acquire Block Erupter blade(s)
3 Profit

That GHash is coming from 2 7870xt's  definitely not enough to sell and acquire 50BTC,  but I like your thinking.  Grin
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The pricing is precisely in line with what the market has dictated.  Refer to the past 3 auction threads for information on this rather than stating that you believe this is overpriced. 

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I agree, I should be thinking in Bitcoins, unfortunately I'm new to this and would need to purchase 50 BTC to spend it.  My own fault for getting into this so late, either way, I'm happy with my 1 GHash at the moment.

1 Sell cards
2 Acquire Block Erupter blade(s)
3 Profit ASICMINER shareholders

There, fixed for you. I guess some people are happy to pay 10x margins. At least you're honest when you say you hold AM shares Wink

Buy shares too Cheesy

I am a shareholder. Duh.

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The pricing is precisely in line with what the market has dictated.  Refer to the past 3 auction threads for information on this rather than stating that you believe this is overpriced. 

Simple economics people.

Meh. It's not a true market. It's not people with 0BTC, going to Mt Gox/ et al and buying 50-75BTC and then bidding on the ASICMINER blades. It's people who invested early in bitcoin (buying or mining) and have an abundance of BTC. If I bought 50BTC when it was $5, then $250 for a 10GH/s miner is a no-brainer. Yet at ~$100/BTC it's not market price. that is why there are so many DIY ASIC operations going on.
I applaud ASICMINER for getting product out there and doing it the fastest, for that they should (and are) be rewarded. But 50BTC is not a real-world option for most.

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These are unlikely to break even in under 6 months. Maybe 12 months. That's too long a time frame for my investment comforts.

Then don't buy any! More for the rest of us.
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Meh. It's not a true market Scotsman.

^Fixed it.  No charge.  Wink

50BTC is not a real-world option for most.

99.9% of "most" people have zero bitcoins.  Why should a market priced in bitcoins for people desiring to spend bitcoins on a bitcoin-producing product give one Satoshi of a flying fuck what "real-world options" those losers are lacking?  Because envy?  Because Marxism?  Because jelly?

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The pricing is precisely in line with what the market has dictated.  Refer to the past 3 auction threads for information on this rather than stating that you believe this is overpriced. 

Simple economics people.

Meh. It's not a true market. It's not people with 0BTC, going to Mt Gox/ et al and buying 50-75BTC and then bidding on the ASICMINER blades. It's people who invested early in bitcoin (buying or mining) and have an abundance of BTC. If I bought 50BTC when it was $5, then $250 for a 10GH/s miner is a no-brainer. Yet at ~$100/BTC it's not market price. that is why there are so many DIY ASIC operations going on.
I applaud ASICMINER for getting product out there and doing it the fastest, for that they should (and are) be rewarded. But 50BTC is not a real-world option for most.

uh...no it's not. why spend your 50 btc when you might not recover it all from mining? if you hold on to the 50 btc at least you've not lost BTC if the blade doesn't break even.

measure ROI in btc, not dollars.
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These are unlikely to break even in under 6 months. Maybe 12 months. That's too long a time frame for my investment comforts.
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I see it as a hedge against my 5 batch 3 avalons arriving late.  If they arrive late, I have my blades which will be churning away for a while at low difficulty.  If my avalons arrive on time, difficulty will skyrocket but I will have 360,000 mh/s as opposed to only 22,000.  More hashing goodness.  Either way, the only way I lose is if hardware breaks or get stolen.  That's a gamble I will take all day long.  But I think your estimate of 12 months is way off because I don't believe BFL will ever ship their hardware as promised.  They will go under in a few months once difficulty jumps up, they still haven't shipped, and all their customers pull their orders at once.
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Well, ASICMINER has priced these over the ultimate ROI of the unit, assuming the hash rate increases at least 5% every two weeks (and we've been closer to 10% lately).

Here are the numbers:

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2-week
Hash Rate   Total BTC
Increase    10 years
=========   =========
   3%         59.4
   4%         52.0
   5%         46.9 
   6%         43.1
   7%         40.2   
   8%         37.8
   10%        34.2
   15%        28.5

Of course, this assumes 24/7 operation, zero electricity costs, etc.

Please be careful!
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Well, ASICMINER has priced these over the ultimate ROI of the unit, assuming the hash rate increases at least 5% every two weeks (and we've been closer to 10% lately).

Here are the numbers:

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2-week
Hash Rate   Total BTC
Increase    10 years
=========   =========
   3%         59.4
   4%         52.0
   5%         46.9 
   6%         43.1
   7%         40.2   
   8%         37.8
   10%        34.2
   15%        28.5

Of course, this assumes 24/7 operation, zero electricity costs, etc.

Please be careful!

You have it wrong. I just calculated that with 10% diff increase in 12,72 days (2016 blocks) means 69 BTC in 240 days. You know, blades are 13GH/s. By the way - diff at the end was 62M. That means roughly 467 TH/s network.
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May 13, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
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You have to measure ROI in both dollars AND Bitcoin. Electricity is sold in dollars, not bitcoin. And regardless of whether you paid $5/btc a year ago, what you PAID then isn't what matters, it's what it's worth now.

Whether you have Bitcoin or cash, it doesn't matter. Either way, you're looking at $6000, because if you cashed out that bitcoin, instead of spending it, that's how much money you would have. Hence, you're losing $5750 in value that your cheap $5 Bitcoins that you spent $250 for are now worth.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter when you bought in. The Blade will cost you $6000 in assets.

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You have to measure ROI in both dollars AND Bitcoin. Electricity is sold in dollars, not bitcoin. And regardless of whether you paid $5/btc a year ago, what you PAID then isn't what matters, it's what it's worth now.

Whether you have Bitcoin or cash, it doesn't matter. Either way, you're looking at $6000, because if you cashed out that bitcoin, instead of spending it, that's how much money you would have. Hence, you're losing $5750 in value that your cheap $5 Bitcoins that you spent $250 for are now worth.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter when you bought in. The Blade will cost you $6000 in assets.

The cost of sucking up all the ASIC supply so others can't compete anymore or get past the barrier to entry and just go somewhere else.

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ARRGH, You are correct. I've revised my numbers:

Code:
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Hash Rate   Total BTC  Time to B/E
Increase    10 years     (days)
=========   =========  ===========
   4%          197        95
   6%          142        102
   8%          110        109
   10%          90        119
   15%          63        159
   20%          49        ---

My math just ain't what it used to be.

One thing to keep in mind is that during the GPU rush, we saw about 43% increase in difficulty every two weeks for 18 months straight. Difficulty went from 1 to 1,000,000 in 18 months. If we see anything over 20%, these rigs will not pay off.

[EDIT: Recently, we've seen about 17% increases in difficulty every two weeks. That gives a total ROI of 54.7 BTC after electricity, assuming 0.11 $/KWh and 116 $/BTC. They become uneconomical after 18 months.]
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Sucking up all the supply? there is other manufactures and nothing stopping asicminer from ramping up there own in house hash rate to compete with those chips you order.
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99.9% of "most" people have zero bitcoins.  Why should a market priced in bitcoins for people desiring to spend bitcoins on a bitcoin-producing product give one Satoshi of a flying fuck what "real-world options" those losers are lacking?  Because envy?  Because Marxism?  Because jelly?

Because people are buying blades in the hopes of making income (Bitcoin/dollars/Euros/etc). If it's just a novelty or pastime, then the USBeruptor or some other small ASIC device would be fine.

As you said, 99.9% of people don't have any BTC. So, the market is defined by those that do. Which it is/was. But if you truly believe that BTC can be the future, then you need to consider the 99.9%. Are they all going to try and buy miners? No. But saying that these "losers" are jelly is not gonna make anyone want to use BTC.


Nevermind, I guess replying and then ignoring is the new way to debate.  Roll Eyes

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99.9% of "most" people have zero bitcoins.  Why should a market priced in bitcoins for people desiring to spend bitcoins on a bitcoin-producing product give one Satoshi of a flying fuck what "real-world options" those losers are lacking?  Because envy?  Because Marxism?  Because jelly?
Are they all going to try and buy miners? No. BTC.

They don't need to.  We are all early adopters.Many of us believe that one day owning a single coin may be a luxury unobtainable by most of society.  That doesn't mean they won't adopt it eventually.  They will simply be buying mBTC instead of whole coins.  We are all taking a risk here, and those who jump in later will pay for the lower risk in the form of higher prices for smaller denominations.  Since btc is divisible to 8 places, why are you worried about the 99% at all?
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You have to measure ROI in both dollars AND Bitcoin. Electricity is sold in dollars, not bitcoin. And regardless of whether you paid $5/btc a year ago, what you PAID then isn't what matters, it's what it's worth now.

Whether you have Bitcoin or cash, it doesn't matter. Either way, you're looking at $6000, because if you cashed out that bitcoin, instead of spending it, that's how much money you would have. Hence, you're losing $5750 in value that your cheap $5 Bitcoins that you spent $250 for are now worth.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter when you bought in. The Blade will cost you $6000 in assets.

Agreed. But if I got into mining (or buying) 3 years ago, or bought in ASICMINER at .1BTC/share and I have hundreds or thousands of BTC, then re-investing 50+BTC is a much easier decision.

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Sucking up all the supply? there is other manufactures and nothing stopping asicminer from ramping up there own in house hash rate to compete with those chips you order.

Same ppl with a lot of "cheap" BTCs are sucking them up too, who else do you think?

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May 13, 2013, 08:39:58 PM
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These are unlikely to break even in under 6 months. Maybe 12 months. That's too long a time frame for my investment comforts.

Its hard to tell. my basic research and calculations indicate that at the current rate of ASIC development/release you should be able to break even in a 6 month time period if there is no major release by avalon, BFL, or any other underdog thats still in R&D.

optimistically, the blade could pay for itself in about 4 months, and at the end of its "lifespan' of 2 years (i refuse to look any further due to diminishing returns and the possibility of hardware failure you could make about a 200% profit.

less optimistically, if the value of BTC changes or ASICs quickly come into the market at competitive pricing, this could take 8-10 months to break even and may only see a 100% ROI during its lifespan (which will require 24/7 uptime, basic user interaction, and the chance of hardware failure)


If i had 50BTC in my wallet I would probably buy one of these now. However, I don't and am willing to wait another month for when you can get at least 50% more hash per dollar.  i would love to see 5Gash for 20 BTC - that would be my trigger to buy one

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These are unlikely to break even in under 6 months. Maybe 12 months. That's too long a time frame for my investment comforts.

Its hard to tell. my basic research and calculations indicate that at the current rate of ASIC development/release you should be able to break even in a 6 month time period if there is no major release by avalon, BFL, or any other underdog thats still in R&D.

optimistically, the blade could pay for itself in about 4 months, and at the end of its "lifespan' of 2 years (i refuse to look any further due to diminishing returns and the possibility of hardware failure you could make about a 200% profit.

less optimistically, if the value of BTC changes or ASICs quickly come into the market at competitive pricing, this could take 8-10 months to break even and may only see a 100% ROI during its lifespan (which will require 24/7 uptime, basic user interaction, and the chance of hardware failure)


If i had 50BTC in my wallet I would probably buy one of these now. However, I don't and am willing to wait another month for when you can get at least 50% more hash per dollar.  i would love to see 5Gash for 20 BTC - that would be my trigger to buy one

There are other options out there for far less than 20BTC per 5GH. Of course they aren't out yet, but I am sincerely interested in the DIY Avalon projects.
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May 13, 2013, 09:11:18 PM
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You have to measure ROI in both dollars AND Bitcoin. Electricity is sold in dollars, not bitcoin. And regardless of whether you paid $5/btc a year ago, what you PAID then isn't what matters, it's what it's worth now.

Whether you have Bitcoin or cash, it doesn't matter. Either way, you're looking at $6000, because if you cashed out that bitcoin, instead of spending it, that's how much money you would have. Hence, you're losing $5750 in value that your cheap $5 Bitcoins that you spent $250 for are now worth.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter when you bought in. The Blade will cost you $6000 in assets.

I think ROI needs to just be BTC.  If you can get your coins back, electricity should be pretty trivial on a 90w item. 

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Are you including reward halvings in these numbers? 10 years is a long time.

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the other thing is opportunity cost. if you put in 50BTC now and think you will break even in 10 months, but a new device/service is available in the next few months with a much better rate of return, your 50BTC is no longer liquid. in the real world, we look at ROI in years. in the btc world things change so quickly that planning ROI in years (or even 6+ months) can be very dangerous.
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Are you including reward halvings in these numbers? 10 years is a long time.

That's a good point, and no, I'm not. I should probably just cut it off at a year--but with the higher values for hash rate increase, it honestly doesn't matter.
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people are buying blades in the hopes of making income

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  People have many reasons for buying blades, many of which are none of your business.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

If it's just a novelty or pastime, then the USBeruptor or some other small ASIC device would be fine.

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  Stop pretending to know everyone else's situation.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

saying that these "losers" are jelly is not gonna make anyone want to use BTC.

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  You are not psychic and have no way of determining to what extent this is true or false.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

Nevermind, I guess replying and then ignoring is the new way to debate.  Roll Eyes

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I can certainly see buying these for their novelty factor (this is why I bought a few of the USB sticks) but yeah, I'm not really feeling it as an actual mining investment.

But hey, props to those that buy one expecting to make any kind of profit, btc or otherwise, you've got more balls than I do  Tongue
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How soon do they ship after an order has been placed ?
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Is there a place to find an ideal configuration for these things once they arrive? What type of fan and case to use, etc.
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So, there is a piece for me at 50btc ?  Shipping when?
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I am interested in buying 10-50 units, please pm me your best deals.

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Has anyone received a response from emailing yet? Just curious as to what kind of wait time I should be expecting.
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with verifiable, documented citations

this isn't my pissing match but anyone who asks for verifiable documented citations in an online shoot the shit forum is just dying to be called an assclown

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How soon do they ship after an order has been placed ?

Based on previous auctions and sales, winners/buyers have received their units within a week of payment. What other company can match that level of service?
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How soon do they ship after an order has been placed ?
Based on previous auctions and sales, winners/buyers have received their units within a week of payment. What other company can match that level of service?

 Thanks. This is very appealing to me. Thinking of taking the plunge and ordering a single blade.

 What is the easiest way to power these devices ? I'm assuming they don't come with power bricks.
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You literally are betting on Avalon not delivering chips.  That's the ONLY way this makes any sense at all.

Oh- DUH.  ASICMiner needs people buying BTC to keep their profits up.  What happens when there's nothing left worth buying with BTC instead of "not-BTC"?  What happens when SR goes down for a month?

They have to try and spur buy orders for BTC.

Not at this price though.
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How do I buy the blades? I wrote email, sent PM and no reply yet...

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How do I buy the blades? I wrote email, sent PM and no reply yet...


Same here.  Where's the "shutupandtakemymoney" meme when I need it? 

Sounds like they are a lot busier now that they've opened the floodgates up to the public.
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At least give them 48 hours before you freak out...

This is a manual process, and already several hundred units were sold yesterday and need to be shipped.  In the OP it was stated to expect a 1-2 day delay because of these units that were just recently sold... calm down!

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people are buying blades in the hopes of making income

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  People have many reasons for buying blades, many of which are none of your business.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

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If it's just a novelty or pastime, then the USBeruptor or some other small ASIC device would be fine.

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  Stop pretending to know everyone else's situation.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195004.msg2037537#msg2037537
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saying that these "losers" are jelly is not gonna make anyone want to use BTC.

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  You are not psychic and have no way of determining to what extent this is true or false.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

What world do you live in? I could show you a person on every block that would respond negatively to me walking around with some exotic device and asking them, "What's the matter loser? Jelly?" (Not to mention the immature vocabulary with jelly.)


Nevermind, I guess replying and then ignoring is the new way to debate.  Roll Eyes

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  I didn't ignore you, but I'm now tempted by the idea.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.   Cheesy

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this will be collectors items very soon and may not have much re-sell value, that is why they want to make a quick buck
before avalon diy miners comes in..avalon sample chip may comes in at the end of the month, and those chips order may be shipped
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OVERPRICED!
50BTC for 10gh/s. no way! some chart from april 17.
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lets calculate a little when it will turn into profit.
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They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before Huh Huh Huh)

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They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before Huh Huh Huh)

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

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They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before Huh Huh Huh)

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

Then you can wait for the next Avalon announcement (people who ordered in Batch 2 in Feb are still waiting) or order from BFL and wait 6+ mos
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Has anybody managed to purchase a blade through this thread?

I've tried but still no reply.

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They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before Huh Huh Huh)

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

Then you can wait for the next Avalon announcement (people who ordered in Batch 2 in Feb are still waiting) or order from BFL and wait 6+ mos

It hardly is brain surgery to realise that even holding onto the bitcoins is a better deal than buying ASICMINER hardware...

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They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before Huh Huh Huh)

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

Then you can wait for the next Avalon announcement (people who ordered in Batch 2 in Feb are still waiting) or order from BFL and wait 6+ mos

It hardly is brain surgery to realise that even holding onto the bitcoins is a better deal than buying ASICMINER hardware...

Yes, but maybe it's a worse deal to wait and loose even more of your % of the network. It's a costly way to maintain your share, but if you get your GH/s sooner than later, it will take less time to get your target ROI.

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

(check using bitcoin_mine_or_invest_1.32.xls)

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If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

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the correct pricing for these should be closer to 25-30btc. 6month window.

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Its based on assumption.
Lets assume prize risees HIGH!
PPL will pay for BTC:
120, 150, 165, 180, 300, 350$ in next 6 mths.

I know, lots of chips was sold. ATM we can put it on ours balls and have somme fun, but not btc.

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They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before Huh Huh Huh)

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

Then you can wait for the next Avalon announcement (people who ordered in Batch 2 in Feb are still waiting) or order from BFL and wait 6+ mos

It hardly is brain surgery to realise that even holding onto the bitcoins is a better deal than buying ASICMINER hardware...

Yes, but maybe it's a worse deal to wait and loose even more of your % of the network. It's a costly way to maintain your share, but if you get your GH/s sooner than later, it will take less time to get your target ROI.

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

It's not about "maintaining a share" of network. It's about whether you get your 50 BTC back + some extra for your trouble. ASICMINER's pricing is so tight that you're very unlikely to make profit or even break even. Remember, you will be competing against ASICMINER's in-house hardware too, which they're sure to bring online as much as they dare to.

Even if you will break even in 6 months, the difficulty will be so high by that time the blade(s) will bring in so little revenue it probably isn't worth the bother to keep them running. As I said earlier, ASICMINER is trying to squeeze profits out of both ends.

Feel free to take the gamble enrich ASICMINER. I won't.

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I have emailed the gmail account for additional blades and no response. Just wondering if this is still a go?
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If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Yes, damn, I used an outdated calculator. The numbers might be a little higher but it will be close to impossible to reach 50 BTC (I had already decided it was too expensive to buy at the time, I guess it's time to call it a day on the maths for today...).

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I have emailed the gmail account for additional blades and no response. Just wondering if this is still a go?

Friedcat is just busy now, keep trying.  Smiley

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If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Please show your math or these are just wild guesses.  You must be taking BFL into account shipping all 60,000ish of their orders in the next few weeks or months to come up with those numbers.
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If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Lol? My blades are currently making 16-17 a month, each. Nice to see 16-17=10 though.

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Powering, cooling, mounting and setup guide is up if anyone here still needs it:
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Powering, cooling, mounting and setup guide is up if anyone here still needs it:
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My bad. Actually I still use the forum IP 109.201.133.65 but people will call for scammer tag if I post that -_-

Dont ever use forum ip ever. If you have flaky DNS or something adjust your hosts file, but always type bitcointalk.org in browser. That way you wont be ignoring SSL warnings.
Consider this. The hosting provider steals the IP and points it to some kind of proxy harvesting users passwords, etc. then u will unknowingly give them your stuff since u are used to ignoring the SSL certificate anyways. Hell even your local ISP or man in middle can get your password, cause you would simply trust their (invalid) certificate.

So +1 for scammer tag if you had used IP Wink

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Dont ever use forum ip ever. If you have flaky DNS or something adjust your hosts file, but always type bitcointalk.org in browser. That way you wont be ignoring SSL warnings.
Consider this. The hosting provider steals the IP and points it to some kind of proxy harvesting users passwords, etc. then u will unknowingly give them your stuff since u are used to ignoring the SSL certificate anyways. Hell even your local ISP or man in middle can get your password, cause you would simply trust their (invalid) certificate.

So +1 for scammer tag if you had used IP Wink

And what else was I meant to use when they changed domain providers and it wouldn't route probably in the UK?

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Asicminer is brinigng online THEIR OWN 262 TH/sec over the next 3 months

Avalon is shipping 200 TH/sec worth of Chips in 2 months

BFL will add anything between 0 and 400+ TH/sec
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If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Lol? My blades are currently making 16-17 a month, each. Nice to see 16-17=10 though.

where are you getting "16-17=10" from? If you look at the theory by Syke it is probably safe to assume he is initiating his calculations from when the blade arrives, lets say in a month to be safe. from there, he estimates about 30% difficulty rise every month. That means if you have 16 BTC/month now, in a month (when his calculations start from) it would be 11.2 BTC, which isnt much greater then 10.

follow that logic, and you can expect to see about 47 BTC in six months, making you one of the few that will make a profit. However, at this point in time, 40BTC would be a better price in my opinion

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Asicminer is brinigng online THEIR OWN 262 TH/sec over the next 3 months

Avalon is shipping 200 TH/sec worth of Chips in 2 months

BFL will add anything between 0 and 400+ TH/sec

26,000 blades isn't going to be easy. Just look at the logistics they faced on SHIPPING 50 blades, and then another 150. Nevermind HOSTING 26,000. Do you know how big that warehouse is, and to power 2600KW? And remove 2600KW of heat? It can obviously be done but its not a walk in the park.

Avalon are shipping 200TH worth of chips, if anyone ever works out 1) what to do with them 2) then actually do something with them. 10000000 chips in a jiffy bag does not equal network hashing. And going by the current month long delays on BATCH 2, nevermind batch 3.... 2 months? I doubt it.

BFL might ship a usb hub by 2016, they are a joke.

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If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Lol? My blades are currently making 16-17 a month, each. Nice to see 16-17=10 though.

where are you getting "16-17=10" from? If you look at the theory by Syke it is probably safe to assume he is initiating his calculations from when the blade arrives, lets say in a month to be safe. from there, he estimates about 30% difficulty rise every month. That means if you have 16 BTC/month now, in a month (when his calculations start from) it would be 11.2 BTC, which isnt much greater then 10.

follow that logic, and you can expect to see about 47 BTC in six months, making you one of the few that will make a profit. However, at this point in time, 40BTC would be a better price in my opinion

You're proposing 19% increases each 2 weeks, permanently. We saw 11% last week - that's a hell of a difference.

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Dont ever use forum ip ever. If you have flaky DNS or something adjust your hosts file, but always type bitcointalk.org in browser. That way you wont be ignoring SSL warnings.
Consider this. The hosting provider steals the IP and points it to some kind of proxy harvesting users passwords, etc. then u will unknowingly give them your stuff since u are used to ignoring the SSL certificate anyways. Hell even your local ISP or man in middle can get your password, cause you would simply trust their (invalid) certificate.

So +1 for scammer tag if you had used IP Wink

And what else was I meant to use when they changed domain providers and it wouldn't route probably in the UK?

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You're proposing 19% increases each 2 weeks, permanently. We saw 11% last week - that's a hell of a difference.

Don't look at a single difficulty adjustment. Look at a couple months worth.

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png

The network has been growing at over 1% per day for the last two months. Over the next few months we'll be seeing that increase, as Avalon, BFL, and even Asicminer start ramping up ASIC production.

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Haha i didn't even include the 200 - 1000 TH/Sec that Bitfury is bringing online this summer between chip sales and 100TH/sec miner

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You're proposing 19% increases each 2 weeks, permanently. We saw 11% last week - that's a hell of a difference.

Don't look at a single difficulty adjustment. Look at a couple months worth.

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png

The network has been growing at over 1% per day for the last two months. Over the next few months we'll be seeing that increase, as Avalon, BFL, and even Asicminer start ramping up ASIC production.


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Asicminer is brinigng online THEIR OWN 262 TH/sec over the next 3 months

Avalon is shipping 200 TH/sec worth of Chips in 2 months

BFL will add anything between 0 and 400+ TH/sec

When is your estimate for BFL?

If it's the 2-3 month time frame, your estimate should be more like 0 - 1 TH/sec

If you mean in 2-3 years, 0-400 is probably fair.

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Asicminer is brinigng online THEIR OWN 262 TH/sec over the next 3 months

Avalon is shipping 200 TH/sec worth of Chips in 2 months

BFL will add anything between 0 and 400+ TH/sec

Agree with everything except the last one.  BFL is nowhere near mass production and will likely go under in he next few months as more and more people request refunds due to other companies and independents performing and raising difficulty.  

I am starting to think a lot of these naysayers are BFL customers in denial who are simply trying to prevent more difficulty spikes.  I suppose I'd do the same if I paid 60 bitcoins for a Jalapeno last year that's still on the drawing table.
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If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Lol? My blades are currently making 16-17 a month, each. Nice to see 16-17=10 though.

where are you getting "16-17=10" from? If you look at the theory by Syke it is probably safe to assume he is initiating his calculations from when the blade arrives, lets say in a month to be safe. from there, he estimates about 30% difficulty rise every month. That means if you have 16 BTC/month now, in a month (when his calculations start from) it would be 11.2 BTC, which isnt much greater then 10.

follow that logic, and you can expect to see about 47 BTC in six months, making you one of the few that will make a profit. However, at this point in time, 40BTC would be a better price in my opinion

A month?!  Most people received their blades in 2 days.  I bought mine yesterday and (checks DHL) ah yes, it just cleared customs.  It should be here in 2 more days.
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Past performance is not an indication of future performance, lesson 1.

Past performance may not be a guarantee, but it sure is a good indiction of future growth.

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Past performance is not an indication of future performance, lesson 1.

Past performance may not be a guarantee, but it sure is a good indiction of future growth.

Lesson 2, past performance is not a good indication of future growth, it is NOTHING. Rolling a dice a billion times does not give you any more information on what the next outcome will be.

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Past performance is not an indication of future performance, lesson 1.

Past performance may not be a guarantee, but it sure is a good indiction of future growth.

Lesson 2, past performance is not a good indication of future growth, it is NOTHING. Rolling a dice a billion times does not give you any more information on what the next outcome will be.

That absolutely is not true. Unless the dice were perfectly weighted, rolling a billion times would definitely give you information about that specific dice.

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They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before Huh Huh Huh)

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

Then you can wait for the next Avalon announcement (people who ordered in Batch 2 in Feb are still waiting) or order from BFL and wait 6+ mos

It hardly is brain surgery to realise that even holding onto the bitcoins is a better deal than buying ASICMINER hardware...

Yes, but maybe it's a worse deal to wait and loose even more of your % of the network. It's a costly way to maintain your share, but if you get your GH/s sooner than later, it will take less time to get your target ROI.

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

It's not about "maintaining a share" of network. It's about whether you get your 50 BTC back + some extra for your trouble. ASICMINER's pricing is so tight that you're very unlikely to make profit or even break even. Remember, you will be competing against ASICMINER's in-house hardware too, which they're sure to bring online as much as they dare to.

Even if you will break even in 6 months, the difficulty will be so high by that time the blade(s) will bring in so little revenue it probably isn't worth the bother to keep them running. As I said earlier, ASICMINER is trying to squeeze profits out of both ends.

Feel free to take the gamble enrich ASICMINER. I won't.

I don't know... For sure you should invest in a calculated manner, but I think ppl are buying them (because they can) to protect their current revenue levels (same as network share, since you only get a fixed amount of BTC).

I can see why you wouldn't want to support ASICMINER. Thanks to the good execution of their ASIC project, they are now too big for the system. You can blame that on BFL pocketing the money of a bunch of miners and never delivering. If they don't fold before shipping their products, the miners who have their funds stuck in the BFL pit will be able to start getting some ROI and the normal cycle of funding future revenues will recover, which should push ASICMINER lower in network share. Until the next cycle. Lather, rince, repeat.

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Past performance is not an indication of future performance, lesson 1.

Past performance may not be a guarantee, but it sure is a good indiction of future growth.

Lesson 2, past performance is not a good indication of future growth, it is NOTHING. Rolling a dice a billion times does not give you any more information on what the next outcome will be.

That absolutely is not true. Unless the dice were perfectly weighted, rolling a billion times would definitely give you information about that specific dice.

And is an open market not a perfectly weighted dice? Without knowing EVERY variable at a given moment, the variables you do know are meaningless.

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It's expected that difficulty will continue going up strong for a while. But we don't know exactly how much and how long will it take.

We just made our bets. We will check back in 1 year to see how it looks like.

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And is an open market not a perfectly weighted dice? Without knowing EVERY variable at a given moment, the variables you do know are meaningless.

The only time bitcoin was close to an open market was when CPU mining was effective. Then, anyone with a computer could simply download the app and start mining. Now that ASICs are available, there is momentum in bringing new hardware online. Miners were purchased months ago, and they will continue arriving and coming online over the next few months. Difficulty increases are going to accelerate as delivery catches up with orders.

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And is an open market not a perfectly weighted dice? Without knowing EVERY variable at a given moment, the variables you do know are meaningless.

The only time bitcoin was close to an open market was when CPU mining was effective. Then, anyone with a computer could simply download the app and start mining. Now that ASICs are available, there is momentum in bringing new hardware online. Miners were purchased months ago, and they will continue arriving and coming online over the next few months. Difficulty increases are going to accelerate as delivery catches up with orders.

It's only the beginning of ASICs. After the first gen, there will be the second gen, third gen etc. The major problem right now is that ther ASIC designers have their hands in the BTC system too, like ASICMINER.

The system is much healthier when vendors stick to hardware and customers to mining. Mix them both and it's a recipe for disaster.

If the new ASIC vendors stick to hardware, there will be (should be, in a perfect world) enough competition for the newcomers to buy into the ASIC train at a pricepoint that makes sense for them. IF BFL and KnC manage to 1/ deliver and 2/ stay out of everybody's hair, the current ASIC owners will have to ditch their hardware and upgrade. That will be the time when Joe Average will be able to hop on. I don't think we'll really loose the occasional miner, he will probably adapt like everyone else, buy a USB miner, whatever.

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I don't know... For sure you should invest in a calculated manner, but I think ppl are buying them (because they can) to protect their current revenue levels (same as network share, since you only get a fixed amount of BTC).

Very true, people should calculate their projected earnings and decide if the risk is worth it. For myself, I've decided that there's no point in buying into ASICMINER for various reasons, price being a large factor.

I can see why you wouldn't want to support ASICMINER. Thanks to the good execution of their ASIC project, they are now too big for the system. You can blame that on BFL pocketing the money of a bunch of miners and never delivering. If they don't fold before shipping their products, the miners who have their funds stuck in the BFL pit will be able to start getting some ROI and the normal cycle of funding future revenues will recover, which should push ASICMINER lower in network share. Until the next cycle. Lather, rince, repeat.

Yes, indeed, ASICMINER is too large now and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future. Unless Avalon really gets their act together, or another newcomer starts selling hardware the next week, we're stuck with ASICMINER being too large and hence a threat to Bitcoin's stability for way too long.

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I think that in 6-12 months there will be open-source ASIC alternatives based around Avalon that will compete with the big boys and keep margins reasonable. There will still be a premium for cutting-edge hardware but if smaller miners can stay viable and there are a lot of them Bitcoin will be OK.

I am part of a small open-source project but also hold some AM shares. I think there will be room for both.

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These units still available?
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Very nice. When did you order?
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Very nice. When did you order?

E-mailed the first day this thread came out, completed the payment @ 2013-05-16 09:42:55. Got the tracking number less than 24 hours later.
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Very nice. When did you order?

E-mailed the first day this thread came out, completed the payment @ 2013-05-16 09:42:55. Got the tracking number less than 24 hours later.

WOW thats great news!!!!

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Very nice. When did you order?

E-mailed the first day this thread came out, completed the payment @ 2013-05-16 09:42:55. Got the tracking number less than 24 hours later.

Nice, it's tempting me  Shocked

That's a real customer service. I'm tired of waiting my Avalon and I can't imagine waiting BFL.
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I also emailed two days ago and have heard nothing back. Are these still available?
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If anyone wants one of these, they can take my place as I am in Batch #3. I tried to raise that amount of BTC but now can't quite afford it. PM me if you want to take my place.

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Are you stiil selling guys? I want to buy more but were unable to contact you.

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If anyone wants one of these, they can take my place as I am in Batch #3. I tried to raise that amount of BTC but now can't quite afford it. PM me if you want to take my place.

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Do you have to email both email addresses and then also send PM? or is it just enough that email was sent to both email addresses mentioned?
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Do you have to email both email addresses and then also send PM? or is it just enough that email was sent to both email addresses mentioned?

Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number.

I don't know why friedcat put the other addresses in there, it's just confusing.

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Do you have to email both email addresses and then also send PM? or is it just enough that email was sent to both email addresses mentioned?

Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number.

I don't know why friedcat put the other addresses in there, it's just confusing.

Ah now I get it, thanks for the help!
"PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored."
I thought the requests made on this thread may be ignored, but he means PM or sending email to the address will be ignored Cheesy
I was confused because of the line break Smiley My brain processed "PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about" and "this sales thread may be ignored." as separate sentences :p

He could have simply said the only accepted contact method is sending mail to asicminer.blades@gmail.com
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Since i bought 12 + 2 outside the auction time and already payed for them all shouldnt i have some discount since you are now saying that it costs 48.99 in quantities bigger then 10?

I do not think is fair that i paid 50 for all of them just some hours ago...

please let me know. thanks

Of course it's fair. You agreed to the terms offered already.

plus, you get a neat rack!
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Since i bought 12 + 2 outside the auction time and already payed for them all shouldnt i have some discount since you are now saying that it costs 48.99 in quantities bigger then 10?

I do not think is fair that i paid 50 for all of them just some hours ago...

please let me know. thanks

Of course it's fair. You agreed to the terms offered already.

plus, you get a neat rack!

It says "To make the whole shipping process smooth enough, no more racks are given out or for sales. As a compensate we practice the bulk price discount as shown above."
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Since i bought 12 + 2 outside the auction time and already payed for them all shouldnt i have some discount since you are now saying that it costs 48.99 in quantities bigger then 10?

I do not think is fair that i paid 50 for all of them just some hours ago...

please let me know. thanks

Of course it's fair. You agreed to the terms offered already.

plus, you get a neat rack!

It says "To make the whole shipping process smooth enough, no more racks are given out or for sales. As a compensate we practice the bulk price discount as shown above."

That is true for the non-auctioned blade sales; for the auctioned blade sales the rack does (or should) come if you bought at least 10

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How do you buy outside the auction? Send an email to asicminer.blades@gmail.com or is there another email address? I noticed things change fast in this environment  Undecided
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How do you buy outside the auction? Send an email to asicminer.blades@gmail.com or is there another email address? I noticed things change fast in this environment  Undecided

Yes, that's the right address. Refer to the original post in this thread:

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Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number.

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There's a lot of hype around these blades, so I thought it would be beneficial for the community if some points are cleared:

- Don't expect returns sooner than 8 - 12 months (maybe more). That means that the profit it makes afterwards are likely to be minimal.

- If you bought bitcoins at current price (120$) the blades are very overpriced I don't think it's worth it, there'll be better HW to buy at the next die shrink for a lot cheaper.

- Shipping takes ~4-5 days to EU (which is much better than "in 2 weeks" Cheesy )

- You'll need a place to put them, adequate cooling (fans) and power source.

just my 2p (blade owner)
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There's a lot of hype around these blades, so I thought it would be beneficial for the community if some points are cleared:

- Don't expect returns sooner than 8 - 12 months (maybe more). That means that the profit it makes afterwards are likely to be minimal.

- If you bought bitcoins at current price (120$) the blades are very overpriced I don't think it's worth it, there'll be better HW to buy at the next die shrink for a lot cheaper.

- Shipping takes ~4-5 days to EU (which is much better than "in 2 weeks" Cheesy )

- You'll need a place to put them, adequate cooling (fans) and power source.

just my 2p (blade owner)

- Got mine in 3 days in the UK. 5 days is still pretty much fine, compared to anybody else in the ASIC business.

- Amortisation in 1 year would be great, better than most investments.

- Valuation of the BTC doesn't matter if you get your return in BTC.

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For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?
Thanks for the info.
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For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?
Thanks for the info.
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For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?

3 days.
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May 21, 2013, 02:40:24 PM

3 days.

Thanks for your reply. I'll mine for patience in the mean time ;-)
Even 3 days seems so long with +10% difficulty every 2000 blocks, but I'm not complaining, especially considering another company that has been keeping their customers waiting for almost a year now Wink
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May 21, 2013, 05:09:31 PM

I emailed the day this was posted and never heard back.  Which is odd because he replied to a tech support question for my first blade.  Guess I fell between the cracks somehow.
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For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?
Thanks for the info.

got answer after maybe 12 hours,

remember to send PM, not only email...

coins went, waiting for postman...

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For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?
Thanks for the info.

got answer after maybe 12 hours,

remember to send PM, not only email...

coins went, waiting for postman...



If you do need a PM as well, the top post is misleading. friedcat should make it clear what methods of communication are acceptable, and remove the ones that aren't for clarity. Well at least you got your order filled which is the main thing.

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For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?
Thanks for the info.

got answer after maybe 12 hours,

remember to send PM, not only email...

coins went, waiting for postman...

If you do need a PM as well, the top post is misleading. friedcat should make it clear what methods of communication are acceptable, and remove the ones that aren't for clarity. Well at least you got your order filled which is the main thing.

Oh yes indeed. The post about never getting any answer and this one weren't very reinsuring about patience alone, so I just PM'ed friedcat now. Has anyone else had an answer to their e-mails from asicminer.blades@gmail.com recently?

I'm probably impatient but it would suck if there were no reply at all like pikeadz
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16.5. ordered
19.5. payed
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...Has anyone else had an answer to their e-mails from asicminer.blades@gmail.com recently?

I just got reply yesterday within few hours.
Remember "Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number"
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OK, thanks for your feedback. I guess he is very busy at the moment. Will keep waiting.
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You do not need to send PM. Actually it says in first post that PMs may be ignored.
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Paid on the 21st. Looking forward to getting my tracking number tomorrow  Grin
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is this plastic connector shipped with the blade?

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is this plastic connector shipped with the blade?



Yes

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Payment sent a couple of hours ago, fingers crossed Cool

For those who got theirs already, three quick questions:

  • Do I need to solder wires from an ATX PSU directly into the connector, or are there already wires (even short ones) provided?
  • To power-on a standalone ATX PSU, I just need to sink pin 13 to the ground, right?
  • Do you think using a desktop grade fan (about 30 cm diameter) oriented at the radiator is sufficient (without manual OC = in factory state), in a way that makes the air flow go through the blades of course

Thank you very much for your advice, I'm so excited to get it Kiss
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  • Do I need to solder wires from an ATX PSU directly into the connector, or are there already wires (even short ones) provided?


The green connector shown in a photo above is a screw terminal - bare some wires and screw into it. No soldering.

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Got my tracking number as promised 2 days after payment. This is how a real company is run!
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Got my tracking number as promised 2 days after payment. This is how a real company is run!
I got my tracking number 51 hours after paying them. However, they clearly shipped well within their 48 hour guarantee. On the one hand, I am impressed. On the other hand, considering that with the price they are charging an optimistic ROI is 9-12 months I would expect nothing less.
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Got my tracking number as promised 2 days after payment. This is how a real company is run!
I got my tracking number 51 hours after paying them. However, they clearly shipped well within their 48 hour guarantee. On the one hand, I am impressed. On the other hand, considering that with the price they are charging an optimistic ROI is 9-12 months I would expect nothing less.


Love your name/avatar combo! My second comment was an obligatory stab at BFL, I see the mindset of their poor customers the same as victims in a Ponzi scheme "It'll be okay, just have to wait a little longer".
If any large players have hiccups getting their millions of TH's online that 9-12mo ROI can only be decreased and even if everything goes smoothly for everyone, where else in this day and age will you get an ROI < 12months (and in an appreciating currency as well!)? "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"
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Received mine earlier today, total shipping time was like two and a half days.  It is hashing right now at 10,745MH without any tweaking.

This post is a great help on the setup.  Piece of cake, though I am pursuing another method to mount the board.  I knows ASICMiner uses blade-style rack boxes but some screw mounting holes on the PCB would have be extremely helpful.
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Only 2 days, and I've tracking number, my asic had just left china...
Everything works as they wrote in first post, just send email with your personal data, PM and wait for answer...

They are really fast
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Received mine earlier today, total shipping time was like two and a half days.  It is hashing right now at 10,745MH without any tweaking.

This post is a great help on the setup.  Piece of cake, though I am pursuing another method to mount the board.  I knows ASICMiner uses blade-style rack boxes but some screw mounting holes on the PCB would have be extremely helpful.

ty Wink

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us www.asicgigahash.com is the 1st UK based company offering services in relation to the Avalon ASIC Chips.

At this time we are simply offering ASIC Chips available for purchase on our website, we are working in conjuction with many software developers & electrical engineers who can assemble these chips onto the "k16" klondike board. "evilscoop"

As many of you may know GPU mining will cease to Exist in the next 3 months with avalon asic's being readily available of the shelf.

We aim to offer complete ready to mine bitcoin rigs on a "k16" giving a hash rate of 4.5gh/s ~282mh/s per chip.

we also are looking into having a fully functional Mining farm with the option to simply hire out GH/S "this then you do not require to order your own Avalon ASIC, you can simply hire Hash rate from us that bitcoins will be generated daily & sent direct to your wallet, (this is yet to be confirmed)

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maybe you guys can give me a hand, those who have the blades up and running:

i just got the first shipment of the AM USB miners. blugged it in, installed the apparently required c210x uart bridge driver and... well, cg miner doesn't see it at all.
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maybe you guys can give me a hand, those who have the blades up and running:

i just got the first shipment of the AM USB miners. blugged it in, installed the apparently required c210x uart bridge driver and... well, cg miner doesn't see it at all.

Probably want to find a USB miner thread, the blades are completely different and don't use cgminer at all.

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oh right, they're standalone. duh.

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Sent a second e-mail this morning.  I really want a second blade but can't buy one.  Sad
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Can anyone tell me to contact for tech support with the blades? I have an issue with the backup pool setting in the blade: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205369.msg2261283#msg2261283  Thanks
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Friedcat responded to my second e-mail.  49.99 BTC sent to him.  He did say that if they were out of stock, that the funds would be refunded.  I am wondering if they aren't making anymore?
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May 25, 2013, 02:32:57 PM

Friedcat responded to my second e-mail.  49.99 BTC sent to him.  He did say that if they were out of stock, that the funds would be refunded.  I am wondering if they aren't making anymore?

Could be just between batch shipments, or they're expecting the new revision asap?

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Friedcat responded to my second e-mail.  49.99 BTC sent to him.  He did say that if they were out of stock, that the funds would be refunded.  I am wondering if they aren't making anymore?

I had the same reply on Thursday. I believe it's a standard reply, and they still have some in stock at the moment.

I paid 2 hours after friedcat's reply, and I just got my tracking number. Blade on the way. Excellent job, ASICMINER always reliable, so rare in this business, very much appreciated.
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Received mine today! Half an hour of setup later it was hashing away at 12780 MHS @ 99% efficiency out of the box, I didn't even have to calibrate the voltages since they were done @ 1.2V already. Will be coming up with a way for a permanent mounting solution in the next couple of days which I will share.
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It was waiting for me this morning when I arrived at the office, but it was way too fast... I had planned to buy the PSU and the fans after work, now I'm wasting 12h hashing just because friedcat & DHL were too fast Grin

It is so nice too see that deadlines are always met with friedcat. More power to him Smiley
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May 28, 2013, 01:17:19 PM

$6500 for 10GHs! (Shipped?)

Wow, I was not expecting that much of an expense... Cheaper than a GPU setup, Huh ...

10GHs = ~15x 7970's = $6000 (But still needs 3x mobo-setups... +$600, and 3500W of PSUs 5x750 +$250 -$50 {blade needs one too})
Total GPU setup = $6800... (Minus games 15x$25 = $375) = $6425 (And you can resell the cards and hardware, not so-much with the blades.)

PASS

You can push 12x 7970's to 10GHs... and save another $1400+, = $5025 for 10GHs (Only 2 mobo's and one less PSU) *Not wise to do... lol, it will be a 100% loss after one year.

... And still scrypt mine alt-coins, and play games. Tongue
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How do you pass customs?

You have price 39USD in declaration attached to BE, so You can easiliy pay custom taxes Wink
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May 28, 2013, 01:47:23 PM

$6500 for 10GHs! (Shipped?)
Most people run their blades at the HIGH clock speed, giving almost 13 GH/s @ 120W.
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May 28, 2013, 01:55:52 PM

$6500 for 10GHs! (Shipped?)

Wow, I was not expecting that much of an expense... Cheaper than a GPU setup, Huh ...

10GHs = ~15x 7970's = $6000 (But still needs 3x mobo-setups... +$600, and 3500W of PSUs 5x750 +$250 -$50 {blade needs one too})
Total GPU setup = $6800... (Minus games 15x$25 = $375) = $6425 (And you can resell the cards and hardware, not so-much with the blades.)

PASS

You can push 12x 7970's to 10GHs... and save another $1400+, = $5025 for 10GHs (Only 2 mobo's and one less PSU) *Not wise to do... lol, it will be a 100% loss after one year.

... And still scrypt mine alt-coins, and play games. Tongue

Have fun paying that 3KW power bill compared to 80W, the heat and size of 3 full open case mining rigs.

So what you've concluded: 4% of the power consumption, same performance, 5% of the footprint.

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May 28, 2013, 01:57:51 PM

Got my own BE!
BF sent it on thursday... only 4 days of journey (with customs delay)

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May 28, 2013, 02:07:24 PM

Good for you!

What it's not clear is:
- do I have to pay in advance?
- do I have to use the escrow?
- did you send the email first and then you made the payment?
- when you ordered your BE (email or payment sent)?

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May 28, 2013, 02:19:04 PM

everything You need is on the beginning of this topic.

in my case...

21 may (night)

1. Email to asicminer.blades@gmail.com with your personal data
2. Send PM to friedcat

wait... (few hours in my case)
22 may (morning)

3. Got answer with btc address to pay
4. Pay... not escrow, directly to BF (I presume)
...wait up to 48h a They wrote

23 may
5. After maybe 2 days I've got dhl tracking number

27 customs in my country
28 delivered, paid customs tax to courier

That's all folks!
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Update:  

5/25:  email received from friedcat with payment instructions.
5/25: paid 49.99 BTC to friedcat 2 hours later.
5/26:  sent follow up email and pm to make sure payment was received.
5/27: received DHL express tracking email.
5/28:  package departed hong kong customs.  From past experience, it will arrive in cincinnati in a few hours and be delivered tomorrow. Cheesy
5/29:  Blade received and hashing away.  Slight issue with one of the chips displaying "X" after hashing for 15 minutes on high clock.  A restart solved the problem.  All chips read 0 after 1.5 hours. 

THANK YOU FRIEDCAT.
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May 28, 2013, 03:02:37 PM

$6500 for 10GHs! (Shipped?)

Wow, I was not expecting that much of an expense... Cheaper than a GPU setup, Huh ...

10GHs = ~15x 7970's = $6000 (But still needs 3x mobo-setups... +$600, and 3500W of PSUs 5x750 +$250 -$50 {blade needs one too})
Total GPU setup = $6800... (Minus games 15x$25 = $375) = $6425 (And you can resell the cards and hardware, not so-much with the blades.)

PASS

You can push 12x 7970's to 10GHs... and save another $1400+, = $5025 for 10GHs (Only 2 mobo's and one less PSU) *Not wise to do... lol, it will be a 100% loss after one year.

... And still scrypt mine alt-coins, and play games. Tongue

mathematically correct
but if you factor in space, power consumption and heat dispersion that's a different story.
I guess people like to invest 6500 in miner, they have more faith in BTC success Wink
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Now it's clear,
I didn't get the meaning of "PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored." correctly =)

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Now it's clear,
I didn't get the meaning of "PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored." correctly =)

You're not the only one, if you read previous pages. These are ignored indeed, and I believe it should be removed from OP because it has already caused much confusion.
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He's doesn't respond anymore my emails. How much time take to receive the payment address?
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May 28, 2013, 05:02:52 PM

I feel like ASICMINER should try doing another auction to gauge the price point for Blades with delivery in the next few weeks. I would love to see more blades sold, but I doubt there is a huge market for more @ BTC50-ish with diff going up and avalon chips soon becoming widely available.
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I feel like ASICMINER should try doing another auction to gauge the price point for Blades with delivery in the next few weeks. I would love to see more blades sold, but I doubt there is a huge market for more @ BTC50-ish with diff going up and avalon chips soon becoming widely available.

It will have to sell as many blades as possible before that time.

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May 28, 2013, 05:14:25 PM

I sent like 4 e-mails to address in the OP over the last 10 days and haven't received a reply. Pretty lame.
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I feel like ASICMINER should try doing another auction to gauge the price point for Blades with delivery in the next few weeks. I would love to see more blades sold, but I doubt there is a huge market for more @ BTC50-ish with diff going up and avalon chips soon becoming widely available.

Agreed, it's currently very risky to pay 50 BTC for a blade.

If difficulty only increases by 10% every 2016 blocks, and some folks think it will rise much faster than that, it will take 6 months for a blade to earn 50 BTC.

I'm on the fence but would definitely buy at a lower price point.
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I sent like 4 e-mails to address in the OP over the last 10 days and haven't received a reply. Pretty lame.

This is pure speculation from me (not implying that friedcat doesn't answer incomplete requests), but are you sure that you included ALL relevant details: nb of units ordered, a phone number with int'l dialing code, a ZIP code, a correctly formatted shipping address with country,  and a real name (they need a contact person for DHL).

Another possibility is Gmail's spam filter. If you haven't already, I would suggest e-mailing from an @gmail.com address to reduce the chances of being spam filtered.

I have sent two (polite) e-mails and got an answer after 2-3 days, with payment address. I paid 2 hours later, and I got my tracking number about 55 hours later, but the shipment was made well within the promised 48 hours after payment. And the shipping was *very* expedited, just a bit more than 48 hours from Shenzhen to Geneva. So I have all reasons to be satisfied, especially in the context of (bad) business practices in the ASIC market.
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I have sent two (polite) e-mails and got an answer after 2-3 days, with payment address. I paid 2 hours later, and I got my tracking number about 55 hours later, but the shipment was made well within the promised 48 hours after payment. And the shipping was *very* expedited, just a bit more than 48 hours from Shenzhen to Geneva. So I have all reasons to be satisfied, especially in the context of (bad) business practices in the ASIC market.


Almost exactly my result, only the first e-mail response came in about 36 hours, and mine was shipped to Vancouver.

Currently hashing away at 13 GH/s with 99.99% efficiency.   Grin
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May 29, 2013, 03:55:25 PM

Ordered 2 units on monday and still no bitcoinaddress/reply :/

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22/5 - emailed the order
23/5 - got the bitcoin address to send the bitcoins and paid in the evening
25/5 - got tracking number
27/5 - got the machine
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May 29, 2013, 09:18:37 PM

Just sent an email to  asicminer.blades@gmail.com and fnnirvana@gmail.com asking for payment instructions and I included my address.

Is this the correct protocol to order? Sorry, that was a little unclear to me, so I just sent the same email to both of those email addresses.
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Just sent an email to  asicminer.blades@gmail.com and fnnirvana@gmail.com asking for payment instructions and I included my address.

Is this the correct protocol to order? Sorry, that was a little unclear to me, so I just sent the same email to both of those email addresses.
He did say contacts to fnnirvana and pm will be ignored. But since it was cc'ed to asicminer.blades@gmail.com, you're OK..
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Ordered 2 units on monday and still no bitcoinaddress/reply :/


What email address did you use?

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May 30, 2013, 07:38:21 AM

How exactly this will be packaged?

What would the weight be?

What would the size be?

What would the packaging be?

I am scared of custom.

What would the declared price be?

I've heard it'll be declared as $39. That's fair. $39 is the cost of material, and the rest is the cost of building the blade. So yea the stuffs do worth $39.

The thing is, does asicminer put their brand name on the packaging? What about if custom is aware of what it really is?

I've heard serbian government caught that once.

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Ive only wrote to this mail: asicminer.blades@gmail.com

Still no reply.

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Ive only wrote to this mail: asicminer.blades@gmail.com

Still no reply.

me too. Sent a email at PM 3:00 yesterday . No Reply Yet.
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I dont know whats going on, i wrote them 4 days ago.
Does friedcat forgot this topic? He ignores the pms,
I tried to remember him that he should take a look in his mail
folder.

I dont understand, every of us want to pay a minimum of 50
Bitcoins, its 5000 and this week they do not care about us.

I really hope i get the bitcoinaddress soon :/

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Probably they are busy with the USB devices Smiley

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How exactly this will be packaged?

What would the weight be?

What would the size be?

What would the packaging be?

I am scared of custom.

What would the declared price be?

I've heard it'll be declared as $39. That's fair. $39 is the cost of material, and the rest is the cost of building the blade. So yea the stuffs do worth $39.

The thing is, does asicminer put their brand name on the packaging? What about if custom is aware of what it really is?

I've heard serbian government caught that once.

The two that I have bought come in a small brown cardboard box that is wrapped in dhl packing wrap (the plastic kind that doesn't tear).  The box dimensions are 12in. x 12in. x 2.5in.  It weighs about 2 lbs.  Declared price was $39.  I will refrain from saying what label and address are on the package but it is pretty nondescript.  It's not obvious that there is an ASIC in there.
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My case:

-22/05: Sent mail about details.
-23/05: He asking about the functioning of customs in my country.
-23/05: I answered his question.
-29/05: He sent the address to pay.
-29/05: I paid.
-30/05: He sent me the tracking number of DHL.
-04/06: Received  Grin
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May 31, 2013, 10:02:58 AM

.. sent order via email one week ago .. got btc address .. was asking for confirmation (hey, that's are no peanut orders) ..

NO MORE REACTION  Angry

I guess if we are asking to much, friedcat is ignoring us  Huh

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.. sent order via email one week ago .. got btc address .. was asking for confirmation (hey, that's are no peanut orders) ..

NO MORE REACTION  Angry

I guess if we are asking to much, friedcat is ignoring us  Huh

What do you mean you asked for confirmation?

I have placed multiple orders with friedcat via this method and have never had to wait more than 24 hours to hear back from him. I wonder if they are being overwhelmed by orders, missing some messages to the spam folder, ignoring emails that don't meet a certain criteria, or what.
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if they are, i'd be happy to help out!
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.. sent order via email one week ago .. got btc address .. was asking for confirmation (hey, that's are no peanut orders) ..

NO MORE REACTION  Angry

I guess if we are asking to much, friedcat is ignoring us  Huh

What do you mean you asked for confirmation?

I have placed multiple orders with friedcat via this method and have never had to wait more than 24 hours to hear back from him. I wonder if they are being overwhelmed by orders, missing some messages to the spam folder, ignoring emails that don't meet a certain criteria, or what.

I changed the quantity .. asking just to be sure ..
anyway, I transfered yesterday the BTC .. so I pray to get a trackingnumber  Shocked

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I changed the quantity .. asking just to be sure ..
anyway, I transfered yesterday the BTC .. so I pray to get a trackingnumber  Shocked

I think you did the right thing. No one here has reported more than 48h between the time of payment and the time of shipping. You'll notice, however, that you don't get your tracking number immediately after shipping. When I got mine, the unit had already been picked up by DHL something like 12 hours before.

Let's hope we can buy that stuff at Migros soon Wink
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Let's hope we can buy that stuff at Migros soon Wink

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What is migros?

How do I send the address? I've heard I have to sign the message. How to actually do that?

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can still buy these?
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.. update .. got DHL tracking number .. blade is already at customs in Switzerland

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I'm thinking about to buy 2 of these blades.

I have no BTC so I have to buy 100 to buy the blades.

The simple question is worth it for that price?

I was thinking about when I mined 50BTC with them I could buy a new one, than an other and so... But with the calculation of 40% difficulty increase per month it's a never ending story with no profit.

What do you think about it?
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I'm thinking about to buy 2 of these blades.

I have no BTC so I have to buy 100 to buy the blades.

The simple question is worth it for that price?

I was thinking about when I mined 50BTC with them I could buy a new one, than an other and so... But with the calculation of 40% difficulty increase per month it's a never ending story with no profit.

What do you think about it?
 Huh
Thats on everybody's mind Elgabo. Invest now and profit from the low diff untill the diff is too high and you need new devices? Or wait until the new devices arrive? Maybe the BTC is worth alot more by then so the calculated fiat price will also rise. Or just buy them and don't care about ROI because its just a hobby? I can imagine a lot of hobbies that are expensive and don't return shit Cheesy.

It really depends on what your financial situation is and if you don't mind losing some money. Truth is these blades probably will sell in the future (+1 year) for the same price or higher or slightly lower. Proof of this is when you look for BFL single FPGA now, these sell around the same price as when they were sold new or more even.
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Truth is these blades probably will sell in the future (+1 year) for the same price or higher or slightly lower. Proof of this is when you look for BFL single FPGA now, these sell around the same price as when they were sold new or more even.

That is a good point.  Everyone says the ASICs will have no resale value.  I call BS.  Look at the block erupter USBs on ebay.  People are buying them now just to resell.  And Blades are on ebay right now for $6800, used.  They've already been mining for a month if they are first batch, which means they've made 30 coins or so already.  People are very shortsighted in this business.  That, and some just paint a dire picture because they don't want others to mine out of greed. 
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So if one does decide to buy, what really is the easiest, fastest way to get that many bitcoins (if US based)?  I have like 5 now, so we need to buy 45 (or more).

Thanks!
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I think I'll wait for new devices and jump in then. I try to look this investment only from business side. I would pretty happy if a few blades could hash on my desk but I think they can't make enough income to buy new ones to win the competition against difficulty.

If I could make at least 5%+ with each investment against difficulty it would be such a good business. But at this price I think it's better to hold money and wait.

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June 04, 2013, 02:41:37 PM

Don't mean to thread jack but I have made some mounts for these blades which I am auctioning off here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=225205.msg2368858#msg2368858
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These still available? Trying to get enough BTC together, but seems to be no one getting answers here lately.
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.. blade is online and mining at 10.680 on low clock .. thank you friedcat  Kiss

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These still available? Trying to get enough BTC together, but seems to be no one getting answers here lately.

 Seemingly still available. Just placed an order for a blade with friedcat this morning.
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Cool, thanks! Sent an email--cant decide between a blade or a bunch of USB miners.
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Cool, thanks! Sent an email--cant decide between a blade or a bunch of USB miners.

are u serious ?
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120min stats:

low clk: 10.910GH/s 149H/m 99.27% eff.

high clk: 13.044GH/s 178H/m 99.46% eff.

stratum protocol in use, connected via proxy

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120min stats:

low clk: 10.910GH/s 149H/m 99.27% eff.

high clk: 13.044GH/s 178H/m 99.46% eff.

stratum protocol in use, connected via proxy

i recommend u bitparking.com for merged mining Wink, u earn a little extra
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120min stats:

low clk: 10.910GH/s 149H/m 99.27% eff.

high clk: 13.044GH/s 178H/m 99.46% eff.

stratum protocol in use, connected via proxy

i recommend u bitparking.com for merged mining Wink, u earn a little extra

or bitminter
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May be I have bad luck. Wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com on 30th may for purchasing still no answer, wrote yesterday again no reply. My colleague wrote them and receive answer after 2 hours. What to do?
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.. blade is online and mining at 10.680 on low clock .. thank you friedcat  Kiss

If you have appropriate fans it should be mining more at high clock.

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June 05, 2013, 01:17:24 PM

Like this:

Wind tunnel design helps a LOT, conveys all the heat up and away. Everything much cooler and with lower fan speeds.

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120min stats:

low clk: 10.910GH/s 149H/m 99.27% eff.

high clk: 13.044GH/s 178H/m 99.46% eff.

stratum protocol in use, connected via proxy

i recommend u bitparking.com for merged mining Wink, u earn a little extra

or bitminter

What does your configuration and stratum command look like for bitminter? That is the only pool I haven't been able to connect to, and 1 or 2 others have said the same thing in the bitminter pool thread.
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Yeah, I emailed too, few days ago. No answer yet.
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aye, I'm still waiting on an answer from 5/30
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I e-mailed 5+ times in the last two weeks including a PM to Friedcat but no response, so consider yourselves lucky if you've only been waiting since 5/30.
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I e-mailed 5+ times in the last two weeks including a PM to Friedcat but no response, so consider yourselves lucky if you've only been waiting since 5/30.

u should stop emailing, im sure they seen your first one too. maybe they are out of stock and u guys need to wait
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June 05, 2013, 05:09:29 PM

Strange. My orders just shipped. Have never gone longer than 24 hours without getting a response  Undecided Sorry to hear you're having difficulties with communication Sad
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June 05, 2013, 05:48:26 PM

Hey there, are there still some devices for sale? Somewhere?
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June 05, 2013, 06:05:05 PM

Hey there, are there still some devices for sale? Somewhere?

Purchasing
  Pricing: retail price 49.99BTC each, 48.99 each if quantity >= 10 in a single order, 47.99 each if quantity >= 20 in a single order.
  Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number. PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored.
  Shipping: DHL for international, SF-Express for China.
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June 06, 2013, 11:37:05 AM

Anyone still waiting, I'm selling my 5 blades here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226676.0
Available immediately.

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June 06, 2013, 09:32:14 PM

I'm also selling 2 blades, I'm in UK but shipping worldwide.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227243.0
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June 07, 2013, 08:50:21 PM

Thanks again, friedcat !

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June 07, 2013, 08:54:53 PM

Thanks again, friedcat !


What size fans are those in your picture?

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June 07, 2013, 08:58:24 PM

What size fans are those in your picture?

 Honestly, I'm not sure Sad Had those fans kicking around in my stockpile from a bunch of old rigs, and dusted them off for this application. 120mm's I think
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June 07, 2013, 09:00:54 PM

What size fans are those in your picture?

 Honestly, I'm not sure Sad Had those fans kicking around in my stockpile from a bunch of old rigs, and dusted them off for this application. 120mm's I think
Thank you for the reply.

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June 07, 2013, 09:06:53 PM

What size fans are those in your picture?

 Honestly, I'm not sure Sad Had those fans kicking around in my stockpile from a bunch of old rigs, and dusted them off for this application. 120mm's I think
Too big to be 120s. Look like 140s

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June 08, 2013, 04:03:22 AM

These are 140 mm.

I have 4 fans, 2 on each side of the vertical blade.

So iam cooling my power and hashing module from both sides with
the powerful scythe ultra kaze 120 mm 3000 rpm and 230 m^3/h.
Each fan needs around 7 watt.
My heatsink is on 28 C, my chips are on 46 C and my p