ASICMINER Blade Sales [Temporarily Out of Stock]

[friedcat]

This is the official info thread of ASICMINER Blade sales for remaining interested miners after three successful auctions.

First      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178275.0
Second  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189248.0
Third     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201753.0

Spec
  Hashrate: baseline 10GHash/s, rated 10.752GHash/s, maximum 12.829GHash/s with overclocking and proper cooling
  Power Consumption: 70-75W on 1.03-1.05V, 83W on 1.1V, 100W on 1.2V, 120W on 1.2V and overclocking
  Hasher size: 233mm x 116mm with a 227mm x 100mm x 19mm heat sink attached to its back
  Power module size: 192mm x 89mm
  Ethernet controller size: 86mm x 40mm  

Picture

Complete Album
http://imgur.com/a/PkOcu#0

Online User Guide


Purchasing
  Pricing: retail price 49.99BTC each, 48.99 each if quantity >= 10 in a single order, 47.99 each if quantity >= 20 in a single order.
  Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number. PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored.
  Shipping: DHL for international, SF-Express for China.

Notes
  1. Fans are not accompanied with blades anymore. They were more or less intended to serve as a help of quick setup and mining testing for users who haven't got proper cooling yet, but turns out to be quite misleading by making people think the fans are powerful enough to cool the (already)over-voltaged and (easily)over-clocked blades.
  2. To make the whole shipping process smooth enough, no more racks are given out or for sales. As a compensate we practice the bulk price discount as shown above.
  3. Please be aware that the payment processing and shipping will be less prioritized than the remaining orders in the third auction. It may be 1-2 days less timely before the third auction's shipping is completed. After that it will resume the instant-style speed.

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[eroxors]

Wow. Nice to have options ready to ship.

[Herbalconfusion]

asicminer is gonna be the google of bitcoins...

[Dalkore]

Looks good.  Need to crunch some numbers.  A Groupbuy is setup with hosting & management https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=204118.0.  Very interesting little product.


-Dalkore

[Miracek]

nearly 5000 Euro, not quite there yet

[uhoh]

Credit where it's due, ASICMINER is a very impressive outfit.

Bravo sirs.

[muyuu]

nearly 5000 Euro, not quite there yet

The pricing is good. It's selling like chips.

As a shareholder and buyer I approve 

[shapemaker]

nearly 5000 Euro, not quite there yet

Don't think in Euros, think in Bitcoins.

That said, 50 BTC is still way too steep a price for such a low performance hasher. The rising difficulty will push ROI time way back into 4th quarter of this year at least, and by then nobody has good estimates or even guesses of difficulty. Too many unknowns, ASICMINER themselves being one of them.

At that price, the only ones benefiting are ASICMINER shareholders. Good for them I guess

EDIT: for comparison, in "Avalon equivalents", you'd pay about 278 BTC to get one 3-module Avalon unit out of these blades (67k/12k). If you were to assemble an "Avalon-erupter" with 12Ghash/s from Avalon chips, you'd pay less than 4 BTC (without any other components though, so that comparison isn't entirely valid). Put simply, these are way overpriced.

[Miracek]

nearly 5000 Euro, not quite there yet

The pricing is good. It's selling like chips.

As a shareholder and buyer I approve 

I'm sorry, my comment was that my finances were not there yet, not this offer.  Sorry for the confusion.  I TOTALLY would if I COULD.

[taenaive]

wow.  I want one but can't afford yet.

[Miracek]

nearly 5000 Euro, not quite there yet

Don't think in Euros, think in Bitcoins.

That said, 50 BTC is still way too steep a price for such a low performance hasher. The rising difficulty will push ROI time way back into 4th quarter of this year at least, and by then nobody has good estimates or even guesses of difficulty. Too many unknowns, ASICMINER themselves being one of them.

At that price, the only ones benefiting are ASICMINER shareholders. Good for them I guess

I agree, I should be thinking in Bitcoins, unfortunately I'm new to this and would need to purchase 50 BTC to spend it.  My own fault for getting into this so late, either way, I'm happy with my 1 GHash at the moment.

[muyuu]

I agree, I should be thinking in Bitcoins, unfortunately I'm new to this and would need to purchase 50 BTC to spend it.  My own fault for getting into this so late, either way, I'm happy with my 1 GHash at the moment.

1 Sell cards
2 Acquire Block Erupter blade(s)
3 Profit

[fgkrew]

Since i bought 12 + 2 outside the auction time and already payed for them all shouldnt i have some discount since you are now saying that it costs 48.99 in quantities bigger then 10?

I do not think is fair that i paid 50 for all of them just some hours ago...

please let me know. thanks

[shapemaker]

I agree, I should be thinking in Bitcoins, unfortunately I'm new to this and would need to purchase 50 BTC to spend it.  My own fault for getting into this so late, either way, I'm happy with my 1 GHash at the moment.

1 Sell cards
2 Acquire Block Erupter blade(s)
3 Profit ASICMINER shareholders

There, fixed for you. I guess some people are happy to pay 10x margins. At least you're honest when you say you hold AM shares

[ThickAsThieves]

Since i bought 12 + 2 outside the auction time and already payed for them all shouldnt i have some discount since you are now saying that it costs 48.99 in quantities bigger then 10?

I do not think is fair that i paid 50 for all of them just some hours ago...

please let me know. thanks

Of course it's fair. You agreed to the terms offered already.

[blackarrow]

I want to purchase 2 blades. How to proceed?

[Ozymandias]

Is there a limit as to how many will be sold (at least for the immediate future) or will as many be sold as people attempt to buy?

[Syke]

These are unlikely to break even in under 6 months. Maybe 12 months. That's too long a time frame for my investment comforts.

[Miracek]

I agree, I should be thinking in Bitcoins, unfortunately I'm new to this and would need to purchase 50 BTC to spend it.  My own fault for getting into this so late, either way, I'm happy with my 1 GHash at the moment.

1 Sell cards
2 Acquire Block Erupter blade(s)
3 Profit

That GHash is coming from 2 7870xt's  definitely not enough to sell and acquire 50BTC,  but I like your thinking. 

[talnted]

The pricing is precisely in line with what the market has dictated.  Refer to the past 3 auction threads for information on this rather than stating that you believe this is overpriced. 

Simple economics people.

[muyuu]

I agree, I should be thinking in Bitcoins, unfortunately I'm new to this and would need to purchase 50 BTC to spend it.  My own fault for getting into this so late, either way, I'm happy with my 1 GHash at the moment.

1 Sell cards
2 Acquire Block Erupter blade(s)
3 Profit ASICMINER shareholders

There, fixed for you. I guess some people are happy to pay 10x margins. At least you're honest when you say you hold AM shares

Buy shares too

I am a shareholder. Duh.

[bitcoiner49er]

The pricing is precisely in line with what the market has dictated.  Refer to the past 3 auction threads for information on this rather than stating that you believe this is overpriced. 

Simple economics people.

Meh. It's not a true market. It's not people with 0BTC, going to Mt Gox/ et al and buying 50-75BTC and then bidding on the ASICMINER blades. It's people who invested early in bitcoin (buying or mining) and have an abundance of BTC. If I bought 50BTC when it was $5, then $250 for a 10GH/s miner is a no-brainer. Yet at ~$100/BTC it's not market price. that is why there are so many DIY ASIC operations going on.
I applaud ASICMINER for getting product out there and doing it the fastest, for that they should (and are) be rewarded. But 50BTC is not a real-world option for most.

[BlackLilac Grant]

These are unlikely to break even in under 6 months. Maybe 12 months. That's too long a time frame for my investment comforts.

Then don't buy any! More for the rest of us.

[iCEBREAKER]

Meh. It's not a true market Scotsman.

^Fixed it.  No charge.  

50BTC is not a real-world option for most.

99.9% of "most" people have zero bitcoins.  Why should a market priced in bitcoins for people desiring to spend bitcoins on a bitcoin-producing product give one Satoshi of a flying fuck what "real-world options" those losers are lacking?  Because envy?  Because Marxism?  Because jelly?

[kaerf]

The pricing is precisely in line with what the market has dictated.  Refer to the past 3 auction threads for information on this rather than stating that you believe this is overpriced. 

Simple economics people.

Meh. It's not a true market. It's not people with 0BTC, going to Mt Gox/ et al and buying 50-75BTC and then bidding on the ASICMINER blades. It's people who invested early in bitcoin (buying or mining) and have an abundance of BTC. If I bought 50BTC when it was $5, then $250 for a 10GH/s miner is a no-brainer. Yet at ~$100/BTC it's not market price. that is why there are so many DIY ASIC operations going on.
I applaud ASICMINER for getting product out there and doing it the fastest, for that they should (and are) be rewarded. But 50BTC is not a real-world option for most.

uh...no it's not. why spend your 50 btc when you might not recover it all from mining? if you hold on to the 50 btc at least you've not lost BTC if the blade doesn't break even.

measure ROI in btc, not dollars.

[pikeadz]

These are unlikely to break even in under 6 months. Maybe 12 months. That's too long a time frame for my investment comforts.

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I see it as a hedge against my 5 batch 3 avalons arriving late.  If they arrive late, I have my blades which will be churning away for a while at low difficulty.  If my avalons arrive on time, difficulty will skyrocket but I will have 360,000 mh/s as opposed to only 22,000.  More hashing goodness.  Either way, the only way I lose is if hardware breaks or get stolen.  That's a gamble I will take all day long.  But I think your estimate of 12 months is way off because I don't believe BFL will ever ship their hardware as promised.  They will go under in a few months once difficulty jumps up, they still haven't shipped, and all their customers pull their orders at once.

[FloridaBear]

Well, ASICMINER has priced these over the ultimate ROI of the unit, assuming the hash rate increases at least 5% every two weeks (and we've been closer to 10% lately).

Here are the numbers:

Code:

2-week
Hash Rate   Total BTC
Increase    10 years
=========   =========
   3%         59.4
   4%         52.0
   5%         46.9  
   6%         43.1
   7%         40.2   
   8%         37.8
   10%        34.2
   15%        28.5

Of course, this assumes 24/7 operation, zero electricity costs, etc.

Please be careful!

[JimiQ84]

Well, ASICMINER has priced these over the ultimate ROI of the unit, assuming the hash rate increases at least 5% every two weeks (and we've been closer to 10% lately).

Here are the numbers:

Code:

2-week
Hash Rate   Total BTC
Increase    10 years
=========   =========
   3%         59.4
   4%         52.0
   5%         46.9  
   6%         43.1
   7%         40.2   
   8%         37.8
   10%        34.2
   15%        28.5

Of course, this assumes 24/7 operation, zero electricity costs, etc.

Please be careful!

You have it wrong. I just calculated that with 10% diff increase in 12,72 days (2016 blocks) means 69 BTC in 240 days. You know, blades are 13GH/s. By the way - diff at the end was 62M. That means roughly 467 TH/s network.

[wrenchmonkey]

You have to measure ROI in both dollars AND Bitcoin. Electricity is sold in dollars, not bitcoin. And regardless of whether you paid $5/btc a year ago, what you PAID then isn't what matters, it's what it's worth now.

Whether you have Bitcoin or cash, it doesn't matter. Either way, you're looking at $6000, because if you cashed out that bitcoin, instead of spending it, that's how much money you would have. Hence, you're losing $5750 in value that your cheap $5 Bitcoins that you spent $250 for are now worth.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter when you bought in. The Blade will cost you $6000 in assets.

[KS]

You have to measure ROI in both dollars AND Bitcoin. Electricity is sold in dollars, not bitcoin. And regardless of whether you paid $5/btc a year ago, what you PAID then isn't what matters, it's what it's worth now.

Whether you have Bitcoin or cash, it doesn't matter. Either way, you're looking at $6000, because if you cashed out that bitcoin, instead of spending it, that's how much money you would have. Hence, you're losing $5750 in value that your cheap $5 Bitcoins that you spent $250 for are now worth.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter when you bought in. The Blade will cost you $6000 in assets.

The cost of sucking up all the ASIC supply so others can't compete anymore or get past the barrier to entry and just go somewhere else.

[FloridaBear]

ARRGH, You are correct. I've revised my numbers:

Code:

2-week
Hash Rate   Total BTC  Time to B/E
Increase    10 years     (days)
=========   =========  ===========
   4%          197        95
   6%          142        102
   8%          110        109 
   10%          90        119
   15%          63        159
   20%          49        ---

My math just ain't what it used to be.

One thing to keep in mind is that during the GPU rush, we saw about 43% increase in difficulty every two weeks for 18 months straight. Difficulty went from 1 to 1,000,000 in 18 months. If we see anything over 20%, these rigs will not pay off.

[EDIT: Recently, we've seen about 17% increases in difficulty every two weeks. That gives a total ROI of 54.7 BTC after electricity, assuming 0.11 $/KWh and 116 $/BTC. They become uneconomical after 18 months.]

[Code_red]

Sucking up all the supply? there is other manufactures and nothing stopping asicminer from ramping up there own in house hash rate to compete with those chips you order.

[bitcoiner49er]

99.9% of "most" people have zero bitcoins.  Why should a market priced in bitcoins for people desiring to spend bitcoins on a bitcoin-producing product give one Satoshi of a flying fuck what "real-world options" those losers are lacking?  Because envy?  Because Marxism?  Because jelly?

Because people are buying blades in the hopes of making income (Bitcoin/dollars/Euros/etc). If it's just a novelty or pastime, then the USBeruptor or some other small ASIC device would be fine.

As you said, 99.9% of people don't have any BTC. So, the market is defined by those that do. Which it is/was. But if you truly believe that BTC can be the future, then you need to consider the 99.9%. Are they all going to try and buy miners? No. But saying that these "losers" are jelly is not gonna make anyone want to use BTC.

Nevermind, I guess replying and then ignoring is the new way to debate. 

[pikeadz]

99.9% of "most" people have zero bitcoins.  Why should a market priced in bitcoins for people desiring to spend bitcoins on a bitcoin-producing product give one Satoshi of a flying fuck what "real-world options" those losers are lacking?  Because envy?  Because Marxism?  Because jelly?

Are they all going to try and buy miners? No. BTC.

They don't need to.  We are all early adopters.Many of us believe that one day owning a single coin may be a luxury unobtainable by most of society.  That doesn't mean they won't adopt it eventually.  They will simply be buying mBTC instead of whole coins.  We are all taking a risk here, and those who jump in later will pay for the lower risk in the form of higher prices for smaller denominations.  Since btc is divisible to 8 places, why are you worried about the 99% at all?

[bitcoiner49er]

You have to measure ROI in both dollars AND Bitcoin. Electricity is sold in dollars, not bitcoin. And regardless of whether you paid $5/btc a year ago, what you PAID then isn't what matters, it's what it's worth now.

Whether you have Bitcoin or cash, it doesn't matter. Either way, you're looking at $6000, because if you cashed out that bitcoin, instead of spending it, that's how much money you would have. Hence, you're losing $5750 in value that your cheap $5 Bitcoins that you spent $250 for are now worth.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter when you bought in. The Blade will cost you $6000 in assets.

Agreed. But if I got into mining (or buying) 3 years ago, or bought in ASICMINER at .1BTC/share and I have hundreds or thousands of BTC, then re-investing 50+BTC is a much easier decision.

[KS]

Sucking up all the supply? there is other manufactures and nothing stopping asicminer from ramping up there own in house hash rate to compete with those chips you order.

Same ppl with a lot of "cheap" BTCs are sucking them up too, who else do you think?

[klondike_bar]

These are unlikely to break even in under 6 months. Maybe 12 months. That's too long a time frame for my investment comforts.

Its hard to tell. my basic research and calculations indicate that at the current rate of ASIC development/release you should be able to break even in a 6 month time period if there is no major release by avalon, BFL, or any other underdog thats still in R&D.

optimistically, the blade could pay for itself in about 4 months, and at the end of its "lifespan' of 2 years (i refuse to look any further due to diminishing returns and the possibility of hardware failure you could make about a 200% profit.

less optimistically, if the value of BTC changes or ASICs quickly come into the market at competitive pricing, this could take 8-10 months to break even and may only see a 100% ROI during its lifespan (which will require 24/7 uptime, basic user interaction, and the chance of hardware failure)


If i had 50BTC in my wallet I would probably buy one of these now. However, I don't and am willing to wait another month for when you can get at least 50% more hash per dollar.  i would love to see 5Gash for 20 BTC - that would be my trigger to buy one

[rideelement247]

These are unlikely to break even in under 6 months. Maybe 12 months. That's too long a time frame for my investment comforts.

Its hard to tell. my basic research and calculations indicate that at the current rate of ASIC development/release you should be able to break even in a 6 month time period if there is no major release by avalon, BFL, or any other underdog thats still in R&D.

optimistically, the blade could pay for itself in about 4 months, and at the end of its "lifespan' of 2 years (i refuse to look any further due to diminishing returns and the possibility of hardware failure you could make about a 200% profit.

less optimistically, if the value of BTC changes or ASICs quickly come into the market at competitive pricing, this could take 8-10 months to break even and may only see a 100% ROI during its lifespan (which will require 24/7 uptime, basic user interaction, and the chance of hardware failure)


If i had 50BTC in my wallet I would probably buy one of these now. However, I don't and am willing to wait another month for when you can get at least 50% more hash per dollar.  i would love to see 5Gash for 20 BTC - that would be my trigger to buy one

There are other options out there for far less than 20BTC per 5GH. Of course they aren't out yet, but I am sincerely interested in the DIY Avalon projects.

[mc_lovin]

You have to measure ROI in both dollars AND Bitcoin. Electricity is sold in dollars, not bitcoin. And regardless of whether you paid $5/btc a year ago, what you PAID then isn't what matters, it's what it's worth now.

Whether you have Bitcoin or cash, it doesn't matter. Either way, you're looking at $6000, because if you cashed out that bitcoin, instead of spending it, that's how much money you would have. Hence, you're losing $5750 in value that your cheap $5 Bitcoins that you spent $250 for are now worth.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter when you bought in. The Blade will cost you $6000 in assets.

I think ROI needs to just be BTC.  If you can get your coins back, electricity should be pretty trivial on a 90w item. 

[muyuu]

Are you including reward halvings in these numbers? 10 years is a long time.

[kaerf]

the other thing is opportunity cost. if you put in 50BTC now and think you will break even in 10 months, but a new device/service is available in the next few months with a much better rate of return, your 50BTC is no longer liquid. in the real world, we look at ROI in years. in the btc world things change so quickly that planning ROI in years (or even 6+ months) can be very dangerous.

[FloridaBear]

Are you including reward halvings in these numbers? 10 years is a long time.

That's a good point, and no, I'm not. I should probably just cut it off at a year--but with the higher values for hash rate increase, it honestly doesn't matter.

[iCEBREAKER]

people are buying blades in the hopes of making income

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  People have many reasons for buying blades, many of which are none of your business.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

If it's just a novelty or pastime, then the USBeruptor or some other small ASIC device would be fine.

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  Stop pretending to know everyone else's situation.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

saying that these "losers" are jelly is not gonna make anyone want to use BTC.

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  You are not psychic and have no way of determining to what extent this is true or false.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

Nevermind, I guess replying and then ignoring is the new way to debate. 

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  I didn't ignore you, but I'm now tempted by the idea.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.   

[Photon939]

I can certainly see buying these for their novelty factor (this is why I bought a few of the USB sticks) but yeah, I'm not really feeling it as an actual mining investment.

But hey, props to those that buy one expecting to make any kind of profit, btc or otherwise, you've got more balls than I do  

[Xian01]

How soon do they ship after an order has been placed ?

[BlackLilac Grant]

Is there a place to find an ideal configuration for these things once they arrive? What type of fan and case to use, etc.

[Milan77]

So, there is a piece for me at 50btc ?  Shipping when?

[greaterninja]

I am interested in buying 10-50 units, please pm me your best deals.

I will be hosting for the bitcointalk community.

Very Respectfully,

GreaterNinja

[BlackLilac Grant]

Has anyone received a response from emailing yet? Just curious as to what kind of wait time I should be expecting.

[DPoS]

with verifiable, documented citations

this isn't my pissing match but anyone who asks for verifiable documented citations in an online shoot the shit forum is just dying to be called an assclown

and yes, I guess I did quote a verifiable documented citation for proof

[Franktank]

How soon do they ship after an order has been placed ?

Based on previous auctions and sales, winners/buyers have received their units within a week of payment. What other company can match that level of service?

[Xian01]

How soon do they ship after an order has been placed ?

Based on previous auctions and sales, winners/buyers have received their units within a week of payment. What other company can match that level of service?

 Thanks. This is very appealing to me. Thinking of taking the plunge and ordering a single blade.

 What is the easiest way to power these devices ? I'm assuming they don't come with power bricks.

[ecliptic]

You literally are betting on Avalon not delivering chips.  That's the ONLY way this makes any sense at all.

Oh- DUH.  ASICMiner needs people buying BTC to keep their profits up.  What happens when there's nothing left worth buying with BTC instead of "not-BTC"?  What happens when SR goes down for a month?

They have to try and spur buy orders for BTC.

Not at this price though.

[blackarrow]

How do I buy the blades? I wrote email, sent PM and no reply yet...

[pikeadz]

How do I buy the blades? I wrote email, sent PM and no reply yet...

Same here.  Where's the "shutupandtakemymoney" meme when I need it? 

Sounds like they are a lot busier now that they've opened the floodgates up to the public.

[aahzmundus]

At least give them 48 hours before you freak out...

This is a manual process, and already several hundred units were sold yesterday and need to be shipped.  In the OP it was stated to expect a 1-2 day delay because of these units that were just recently sold... calm down!

[bitcoiner49er]

people are buying blades in the hopes of making income

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  People have many reasons for buying blades, many of which are none of your business.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181300.msg1978484#msg1978484
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181300.msg1980223#msg1980223
Verified owner of ASIC blade from 1st auction

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189248.msg2133385#msg2133385
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189248.msg2133657#msg2133657
2 owners from 2nd auction

If it's just a novelty or pastime, then the USBeruptor or some other small ASIC device would be fine.

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  Stop pretending to know everyone else's situation.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195004.msg2037537#msg2037537
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195004.msg2040447#msg2040447

saying that these "losers" are jelly is not gonna make anyone want to use BTC.

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  You are not psychic and have no way of determining to what extent this is true or false.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.

What world do you live in? I could show you a person on every block that would respond negatively to me walking around with some exotic device and asking them, "What's the matter loser? Jelly?" (Not to mention the immature vocabulary with jelly.)

Nevermind, I guess replying and then ignoring is the new way to debate. 

*BZZT*  Assumes facts not in evidence.  I didn't ignore you, but I'm now tempted by the idea.  Try again, this time with verifiable, documented citations instead of shit you just made up.   

Hmmm, sorry. I don't know what the yellow highlight around the ignore link means then.

[dan99]

this will be collectors items very soon and may not have much re-sell value, that is why they want to make a quick buck
before avalon diy miners comes in..avalon sample chip may comes in at the end of the month, and those chips order may be shipped
out in june - so that is where the party start...

[dudi]

OVERPRICED!
50BTC for 10gh/s. no way! some chart from april 17.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-e4hV5dW9VIs/UW1k3AzL--I/AAAAAAAAHjk/S2kgeDipxAo/s1600/9.13.table1.2013-04-17.png
lets calculate a little when it will turn into profit.

[KS]

They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before )

[shapemaker]

They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before )

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

[Franktank]

They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before )

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

Then you can wait for the next Avalon announcement (people who ordered in Batch 2 in Feb are still waiting) or order from BFL and wait 6+ mos

[blackarrow]

Has anybody managed to purchase a blade through this thread?

I've tried but still no reply.

Regards!

[shapemaker]

They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before )

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

Then you can wait for the next Avalon announcement (people who ordered in Batch 2 in Feb are still waiting) or order from BFL and wait 6+ mos

It hardly is brain surgery to realise that even holding onto the bitcoins is a better deal than buying ASICMINER hardware...

[KS]

They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before )

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

Then you can wait for the next Avalon announcement (people who ordered in Batch 2 in Feb are still waiting) or order from BFL and wait 6+ mos

It hardly is brain surgery to realise that even holding onto the bitcoins is a better deal than buying ASICMINER hardware...

Yes, but maybe it's a worse deal to wait and loose even more of your % of the network. It's a costly way to maintain your share, but if you get your GH/s sooner than later, it will take less time to get your target ROI.

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

(check using bitcoin_mine_or_invest_1.32.xls)

[Syke]

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

[Node]

the correct pricing for these should be closer to 25-30btc. 6month window.

[ummas]

Its based on assumption.
Lets assume prize risees HIGH!
PPL will pay for BTC:
120, 150, 165, 180, 300, 350$ in next 6 mths.

I know, lots of chips was sold. ATM we can put it on ours balls and have somme fun, but not btc.

ASICMINER sells blades for 50, bcoze ppl wonts it for 50 - i like that kind oc trade(3 auctions as a test).
I will not sell kidney just to buy somme asic (If You know what i mean ;P )

[shapemaker]

They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before )

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

Then you can wait for the next Avalon announcement (people who ordered in Batch 2 in Feb are still waiting) or order from BFL and wait 6+ mos

It hardly is brain surgery to realise that even holding onto the bitcoins is a better deal than buying ASICMINER hardware...

Yes, but maybe it's a worse deal to wait and loose even more of your % of the network. It's a costly way to maintain your share, but if you get your GH/s sooner than later, it will take less time to get your target ROI.

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

It's not about "maintaining a share" of network. It's about whether you get your 50 BTC back + some extra for your trouble. ASICMINER's pricing is so tight that you're very unlikely to make profit or even break even. Remember, you will be competing against ASICMINER's in-house hardware too, which they're sure to bring online as much as they dare to.

Even if you will break even in 6 months, the difficulty will be so high by that time the blade(s) will bring in so little revenue it probably isn't worth the bother to keep them running. As I said earlier, ASICMINER is trying to squeeze profits out of both ends.

Feel free to take the gamble enrich ASICMINER. I won't.

[sahkan]

I have emailed the gmail account for additional blades and no response. Just wondering if this is still a go?

[KS]

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Yes, damn, I used an outdated calculator. The numbers might be a little higher but it will be close to impossible to reach 50 BTC (I had already decided it was too expensive to buy at the time, I guess it's time to call it a day on the maths for today...).

Cheers for the correction.

[greaterninja]

I am doing a group buy...please pm me if you want to bundle up a 10-50 card buy so we can save.  I am also offering hosting for 8-8.5%  free electricity, internet connection / network, security, maintenance, etc.  even a webcam feed.  pm me.

[muyuu]

I have emailed the gmail account for additional blades and no response. Just wondering if this is still a go?

Friedcat is just busy now, keep trying. 

[pikeadz]

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Please show your math or these are just wild guesses.  You must be taking BFL into account shipping all 60,000ish of their orders in the next few weeks or months to come up with those numbers.

[dogie]

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Lol? My blades are currently making 16-17 a month, each. Nice to see 16-17=10 though.

[dogie]

Powering, cooling, mounting and setup guide is up if anyone here still needs it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205369.0

[turtle83]

Powering, cooling, mounting and setup guide is up if anyone here still needs it:
https://bitcointalk.net/index.php?topic=205369.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205369.0

.org not .net .
ctrl + C and ctrl + V  is your friend.

[dogie]

Powering, cooling, mounting and setup guide is up if anyone here still needs it:
https://bitcointalk.net/index.php?topic=205369.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205369.0

.org not .net .
ctrl + C and ctrl + V  is your friend.

My bad. Actually I still use the forum IP 109.201.133.65 but people will call for scammer tag if I post that -_-

[turtle83]

Powering, cooling, mounting and setup guide is up if anyone here still needs it:
https://bitcointalk.net/index.php?topic=205369.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205369.0

.org not .net .
ctrl + C and ctrl + V  is your friend.

My bad. Actually I still use the forum IP 109.201.133.65 but people will call for scammer tag if I post that -_-

Dont ever use forum ip ever. If you have flaky DNS or something adjust your hosts file, but always type bitcointalk.org in browser. That way you wont be ignoring SSL warnings.
Consider this. The hosting provider steals the IP and points it to some kind of proxy harvesting users passwords, etc. then u will unknowingly give them your stuff since u are used to ignoring the SSL certificate anyways. Hell even your local ISP or man in middle can get your password, cause you would simply trust their (invalid) certificate.

So +1 for scammer tag if you had used IP

[dogie]

Dont ever use forum ip ever. If you have flaky DNS or something adjust your hosts file, but always type bitcointalk.org in browser. That way you wont be ignoring SSL warnings.
Consider this. The hosting provider steals the IP and points it to some kind of proxy harvesting users passwords, etc. then u will unknowingly give them your stuff since u are used to ignoring the SSL certificate anyways. Hell even your local ISP or man in middle can get your password, cause you would simply trust their (invalid) certificate.

So +1 for scammer tag if you had used IP

And what else was I meant to use when they changed domain providers and it wouldn't route probably in the UK?

[ecliptic]

Asicminer is brinigng online THEIR OWN 262 TH/sec over the next 3 months

Avalon is shipping 200 TH/sec worth of Chips in 2 months

BFL will add anything between 0 and 400+ TH/sec

[klondike_bar]

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Lol? My blades are currently making 16-17 a month, each. Nice to see 16-17=10 though.

where are you getting "16-17=10" from? If you look at the theory by Syke it is probably safe to assume he is initiating his calculations from when the blade arrives, lets say in a month to be safe. from there, he estimates about 30% difficulty rise every month. That means if you have 16 BTC/month now, in a month (when his calculations start from) it would be 11.2 BTC, which isnt much greater then 10.

follow that logic, and you can expect to see about 47 BTC in six months, making you one of the few that will make a profit. However, at this point in time, 40BTC would be a better price in my opinion

[dogie]

Asicminer is brinigng online THEIR OWN 262 TH/sec over the next 3 months

Avalon is shipping 200 TH/sec worth of Chips in 2 months

BFL will add anything between 0 and 400+ TH/sec

26,000 blades isn't going to be easy. Just look at the logistics they faced on SHIPPING 50 blades, and then another 150. Nevermind HOSTING 26,000. Do you know how big that warehouse is, and to power 2600KW? And remove 2600KW of heat? It can obviously be done but its not a walk in the park.

Avalon are shipping 200TH worth of chips, if anyone ever works out 1) what to do with them 2) then actually do something with them. 10000000 chips in a jiffy bag does not equal network hashing. And going by the current month long delays on BATCH 2, nevermind batch 3.... 2 months? I doubt it.

BFL might ship a usb hub by 2016, they are a joke.

[dogie]

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Lol? My blades are currently making 16-17 a month, each. Nice to see 16-17=10 though.

where are you getting "16-17=10" from? If you look at the theory by Syke it is probably safe to assume he is initiating his calculations from when the blade arrives, lets say in a month to be safe. from there, he estimates about 30% difficulty rise every month. That means if you have 16 BTC/month now, in a month (when his calculations start from) it would be 11.2 BTC, which isnt much greater then 10.

follow that logic, and you can expect to see about 47 BTC in six months, making you one of the few that will make a profit. However, at this point in time, 40BTC would be a better price in my opinion

You're proposing 19% increases each 2 weeks, permanently. We saw 11% last week - that's a hell of a difference.

[turtle83]

Dont ever use forum ip ever. If you have flaky DNS or something adjust your hosts file, but always type bitcointalk.org in browser. That way you wont be ignoring SSL warnings.
Consider this. The hosting provider steals the IP and points it to some kind of proxy harvesting users passwords, etc. then u will unknowingly give them your stuff since u are used to ignoring the SSL certificate anyways. Hell even your local ISP or man in middle can get your password, cause you would simply trust their (invalid) certificate.

So +1 for scammer tag if you had used IP

And what else was I meant to use when they changed domain providers and it wouldn't route probably in the UK?

http://bit.ly/10FyzJE

[Syke]

You're proposing 19% increases each 2 weeks, permanently. We saw 11% last week - that's a hell of a difference.

Don't look at a single difficulty adjustment. Look at a couple months worth.

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png

The network has been growing at over 1% per day for the last two months. Over the next few months we'll be seeing that increase, as Avalon, BFL, and even Asicminer start ramping up ASIC production.

[ecliptic]

Haha i didn't even include the 200 - 1000 TH/Sec that Bitfury is bringing online this summer between chip sales and 100TH/sec miner

and MtGox just got raided - Can't move USD out.  BTC:USD crash incoming

[dogie]

You're proposing 19% increases each 2 weeks, permanently. We saw 11% last week - that's a hell of a difference.

Don't look at a single difficulty adjustment. Look at a couple months worth.

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png

The network has been growing at over 1% per day for the last two months. Over the next few months we'll be seeing that increase, as Avalon, BFL, and even Asicminer start ramping up ASIC production.

Past performance is not an indication of future performance, lesson 1.

[wtfvanity]

Asicminer is brinigng online THEIR OWN 262 TH/sec over the next 3 months

Avalon is shipping 200 TH/sec worth of Chips in 2 months

BFL will add anything between 0 and 400+ TH/sec

When is your estimate for BFL?

If it's the 2-3 month time frame, your estimate should be more like 0 - 1 TH/sec

If you mean in 2-3 years, 0-400 is probably fair.

[Code_red]

Mt.Gox did not get raided as far as I can tell : l

[pikeadz]

Asicminer is brinigng online THEIR OWN 262 TH/sec over the next 3 months

Avalon is shipping 200 TH/sec worth of Chips in 2 months

BFL will add anything between 0 and 400+ TH/sec

Agree with everything except the last one.  BFL is nowhere near mass production and will likely go under in he next few months as more and more people request refunds due to other companies and independents performing and raising difficulty.  

I am starting to think a lot of these naysayers are BFL customers in denial who are simply trying to prevent more difficulty spikes.  I suppose I'd do the same if I paid 60 bitcoins for a Jalapeno last year that's still on the drawing table.

[pikeadz]

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

Unlikely. BTC/month will go about like this:

10, 7, 5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.75 = 29.75 btc in 6 months. The chance of making back 50 btc, ever, is relatively small.

Lol? My blades are currently making 16-17 a month, each. Nice to see 16-17=10 though.

where are you getting "16-17=10" from? If you look at the theory by Syke it is probably safe to assume he is initiating his calculations from when the blade arrives, lets say in a month to be safe. from there, he estimates about 30% difficulty rise every month. That means if you have 16 BTC/month now, in a month (when his calculations start from) it would be 11.2 BTC, which isnt much greater then 10.

follow that logic, and you can expect to see about 47 BTC in six months, making you one of the few that will make a profit. However, at this point in time, 40BTC would be a better price in my opinion

A month?!  Most people received their blades in 2 days.  I bought mine yesterday and (checks DHL) ah yes, it just cleared customs.  It should be here in 2 more days.

[Syke]

Past performance is not an indication of future performance, lesson 1.

Past performance may not be a guarantee, but it sure is a good indiction of future growth.

[dogie]

Past performance is not an indication of future performance, lesson 1.

Past performance may not be a guarantee, but it sure is a good indiction of future growth.

Lesson 2, past performance is not a good indication of future growth, it is NOTHING. Rolling a dice a billion times does not give you any more information on what the next outcome will be.

[wtfvanity]

Past performance is not an indication of future performance, lesson 1.

Past performance may not be a guarantee, but it sure is a good indiction of future growth.

Lesson 2, past performance is not a good indication of future growth, it is NOTHING. Rolling a dice a billion times does not give you any more information on what the next outcome will be.

That absolutely is not true. Unless the dice were perfectly weighted, rolling a billion times would definitely give you information about that specific dice.

[KS]

They are the only one you can buy from right now, and actually get your GH/s (the others will deliver before )

Doesn't matter jack shit if you don't make as much or more bitcoins with them as you buy them for. The blades are a losing proposition.

Then you can wait for the next Avalon announcement (people who ordered in Batch 2 in Feb are still waiting) or order from BFL and wait 6+ mos

It hardly is brain surgery to realise that even holding onto the bitcoins is a better deal than buying ASICMINER hardware...

Yes, but maybe it's a worse deal to wait and loose even more of your % of the network. It's a costly way to maintain your share, but if you get your GH/s sooner than later, it will take less time to get your target ROI.

If you get your 10GH/s now, they will be paid for in 6 months or less, even if the difficulty reaches 100M in 6 months.

It's not about "maintaining a share" of network. It's about whether you get your 50 BTC back + some extra for your trouble. ASICMINER's pricing is so tight that you're very unlikely to make profit or even break even. Remember, you will be competing against ASICMINER's in-house hardware too, which they're sure to bring online as much as they dare to.

Even if you will break even in 6 months, the difficulty will be so high by that time the blade(s) will bring in so little revenue it probably isn't worth the bother to keep them running. As I said earlier, ASICMINER is trying to squeeze profits out of both ends.

Feel free to take the gamble enrich ASICMINER. I won't.

I don't know... For sure you should invest in a calculated manner, but I think ppl are buying them (because they can) to protect their current revenue levels (same as network share, since you only get a fixed amount of BTC).

I can see why you wouldn't want to support ASICMINER. Thanks to the good execution of their ASIC project, they are now too big for the system. You can blame that on BFL pocketing the money of a bunch of miners and never delivering. If they don't fold before shipping their products, the miners who have their funds stuck in the BFL pit will be able to start getting some ROI and the normal cycle of funding future revenues will recover, which should push ASICMINER lower in network share. Until the next cycle. Lather, rince, repeat.

[dogie]

Past performance is not an indication of future performance, lesson 1.

Past performance may not be a guarantee, but it sure is a good indiction of future growth.

Lesson 2, past performance is not a good indication of future growth, it is NOTHING. Rolling a dice a billion times does not give you any more information on what the next outcome will be.

That absolutely is not true. Unless the dice were perfectly weighted, rolling a billion times would definitely give you information about that specific dice.

And is an open market not a perfectly weighted dice? Without knowing EVERY variable at a given moment, the variables you do know are meaningless.

[muyuu]

It's expected that difficulty will continue going up strong for a while. But we don't know exactly how much and how long will it take.

We just made our bets. We will check back in 1 year to see how it looks like.

[Syke]

And is an open market not a perfectly weighted dice? Without knowing EVERY variable at a given moment, the variables you do know are meaningless.

The only time bitcoin was close to an open market was when CPU mining was effective. Then, anyone with a computer could simply download the app and start mining. Now that ASICs are available, there is momentum in bringing new hardware online. Miners were purchased months ago, and they will continue arriving and coming online over the next few months. Difficulty increases are going to accelerate as delivery catches up with orders.

[KS]

And is an open market not a perfectly weighted dice? Without knowing EVERY variable at a given moment, the variables you do know are meaningless.

The only time bitcoin was close to an open market was when CPU mining was effective. Then, anyone with a computer could simply download the app and start mining. Now that ASICs are available, there is momentum in bringing new hardware online. Miners were purchased months ago, and they will continue arriving and coming online over the next few months. Difficulty increases are going to accelerate as delivery catches up with orders.

It's only the beginning of ASICs. After the first gen, there will be the second gen, third gen etc. The major problem right now is that ther ASIC designers have their hands in the BTC system too, like ASICMINER.

The system is much healthier when vendors stick to hardware and customers to mining. Mix them both and it's a recipe for disaster.

If the new ASIC vendors stick to hardware, there will be (should be, in a perfect world) enough competition for the newcomers to buy into the ASIC train at a pricepoint that makes sense for them. IF BFL and KnC manage to 1/ deliver and 2/ stay out of everybody's hair, the current ASIC owners will have to ditch their hardware and upgrade. That will be the time when Joe Average will be able to hop on. I don't think we'll really loose the occasional miner, he will probably adapt like everyone else, buy a USB miner, whatever.

[shapemaker]

I don't know... For sure you should invest in a calculated manner, but I think ppl are buying them (because they can) to protect their current revenue levels (same as network share, since you only get a fixed amount of BTC).

Very true, people should calculate their projected earnings and decide if the risk is worth it. For myself, I've decided that there's no point in buying into ASICMINER for various reasons, price being a large factor.

I can see why you wouldn't want to support ASICMINER. Thanks to the good execution of their ASIC project, they are now too big for the system. You can blame that on BFL pocketing the money of a bunch of miners and never delivering. If they don't fold before shipping their products, the miners who have their funds stuck in the BFL pit will be able to start getting some ROI and the normal cycle of funding future revenues will recover, which should push ASICMINER lower in network share. Until the next cycle. Lather, rince, repeat.

Yes, indeed, ASICMINER is too large now and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future. Unless Avalon really gets their act together, or another newcomer starts selling hardware the next week, we're stuck with ASICMINER being too large and hence a threat to Bitcoin's stability for way too long.

[stripykitteh]

I think that in 6-12 months there will be open-source ASIC alternatives based around Avalon that will compete with the big boys and keep margins reasonable. There will still be a premium for cutting-edge hardware but if smaller miners can stay viable and there are a lot of them Bitcoin will be OK.

I am part of a small open-source project but also hold some AM shares. I think there will be room for both.

Just my 0.02BTC

[Rora]

These units still available?

[rezurect]

If any slots open up,
1@ 50.

[BlackLilac Grant]

If any slots open up,
1@ 50.

It's not an auction. Save yourself 0.01 BTC and e-mail them to place your order.  

[Rora]

Still no reply via email...

[BlackLilac Grant]

Still no reply via email...

Just got my DHL tracking number.   

[Rora]

Very nice. When did you order?

[BlackLilac Grant]

Very nice. When did you order?

E-mailed the first day this thread came out, completed the payment @ 2013-05-16 09:42:55. Got the tracking number less than 24 hours later.

[tkone]

Very nice. When did you order?

E-mailed the first day this thread came out, completed the payment @ 2013-05-16 09:42:55. Got the tracking number less than 24 hours later.

WOW thats great news!!!!

[underachiever]

I emailed 3 days ago and have heard nothing back.   

[BitAddict]

Very nice. When did you order?

E-mailed the first day this thread came out, completed the payment @ 2013-05-16 09:42:55. Got the tracking number less than 24 hours later.

Nice, it's tempting me  

That's a real customer service. I'm tired of waiting my Avalon and I can't imagine waiting BFL.
I just want something to mine!!

[ahitman]

I also emailed two days ago and have heard nothing back. Are these still available?

[jerye]

If anyone wants one of these, they can take my place as I am in Batch #3. I tried to raise that amount of BTC but now can't quite afford it. PM me if you want to take my place.

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[jjodwald]

Are you stiil selling guys? I want to buy more but were unable to contact you.

[dogie]

If anyone wants one of these, they can take my place as I am in Batch #3. I tried to raise that amount of BTC but now can't quite afford it. PM me if you want to take my place.

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Pastebin Contract: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Kk46ccPW

Your place in the queue has way, way expired. Payment was in 48 hours, not 10 days lol.

[yurtesen]

Do you have to email both email addresses and then also send PM? or is it just enough that email was sent to both email addresses mentioned?

[stripykitteh]

Do you have to email both email addresses and then also send PM? or is it just enough that email was sent to both email addresses mentioned?

Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number.

I don't know why friedcat put the other addresses in there, it's just confusing.

[yurtesen]

Do you have to email both email addresses and then also send PM? or is it just enough that email was sent to both email addresses mentioned?

Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number.

I don't know why friedcat put the other addresses in there, it's just confusing.

Ah now I get it, thanks for the help!
"PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored."
I thought the requests made on this thread may be ignored, but he means PM or sending email to the address will be ignored
I was confused because of the line break My brain processed "PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about" and "this sales thread may be ignored." as separate sentences :p

He could have simply said the only accepted contact method is sending mail to asicminer.blades@gmail.com

[Noitev]

Since i bought 12 + 2 outside the auction time and already payed for them all shouldnt i have some discount since you are now saying that it costs 48.99 in quantities bigger then 10?

I do not think is fair that i paid 50 for all of them just some hours ago...

please let me know. thanks

Of course it's fair. You agreed to the terms offered already.

plus, you get a neat rack!

[yurtesen]

Since i bought 12 + 2 outside the auction time and already payed for them all shouldnt i have some discount since you are now saying that it costs 48.99 in quantities bigger then 10?

I do not think is fair that i paid 50 for all of them just some hours ago...

please let me know. thanks

Of course it's fair. You agreed to the terms offered already.

plus, you get a neat rack!

It says "To make the whole shipping process smooth enough, no more racks are given out or for sales. As a compensate we practice the bulk price discount as shown above."

[Ozymandias]

Since i bought 12 + 2 outside the auction time and already payed for them all shouldnt i have some discount since you are now saying that it costs 48.99 in quantities bigger then 10?

I do not think is fair that i paid 50 for all of them just some hours ago...

please let me know. thanks

Of course it's fair. You agreed to the terms offered already.

plus, you get a neat rack!

It says "To make the whole shipping process smooth enough, no more racks are given out or for sales. As a compensate we practice the bulk price discount as shown above."

That is true for the non-auctioned blade sales; for the auctioned blade sales the rack does (or should) come if you bought at least 10

[josh_nc]

How do you buy outside the auction? Send an email to asicminer.blades@gmail.com or is there another email address? I noticed things change fast in this environment 

[stripykitteh]

How do you buy outside the auction? Send an email to asicminer.blades@gmail.com or is there another email address? I noticed things change fast in this environment 

Yes, that's the right address. Refer to the original post in this thread:

Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number.

[desired_username]

There's a lot of hype around these blades, so I thought it would be beneficial for the community if some points are cleared:

- Don't expect returns sooner than 8 - 12 months (maybe more). That means that the profit it makes afterwards are likely to be minimal.

- If you bought bitcoins at current price (120$) the blades are very overpriced I don't think it's worth it, there'll be better HW to buy at the next die shrink for a lot cheaper.

- Shipping takes ~4-5 days to EU (which is much better than "in 2 weeks" )

- You'll need a place to put them, adequate cooling (fans) and power source.

just my 2p (blade owner)

[muyuu]

There's a lot of hype around these blades, so I thought it would be beneficial for the community if some points are cleared:

- Don't expect returns sooner than 8 - 12 months (maybe more). That means that the profit it makes afterwards are likely to be minimal.

- If you bought bitcoins at current price (120$) the blades are very overpriced I don't think it's worth it, there'll be better HW to buy at the next die shrink for a lot cheaper.

- Shipping takes ~4-5 days to EU (which is much better than "in 2 weeks" )

- You'll need a place to put them, adequate cooling (fans) and power source.

just my 2p (blade owner)

- Got mine in 3 days in the UK. 5 days is still pretty much fine, compared to anybody else in the ASIC business.

- Amortisation in 1 year would be great, better than most investments.

- Valuation of the BTC doesn't matter if you get your return in BTC.

[matt4054]

For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?
Thanks for the info.

[RubenLeFuck]

For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?
Thanks for the info.

+1

[underachiever]

For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?

3 days.

[matt4054]

3 days.

Thanks for your reply. I'll mine for patience in the mean time ;-)
Even 3 days seems so long with +10% difficulty every 2000 blocks, but I'm not complaining, especially considering another company that has been keeping their customers waiting for almost a year now

[pikeadz]

I emailed the day this was posted and never heard back.  Which is odd because he replied to a tech support question for my first blade.  Guess I fell between the cracks somehow.

[dragonus]

For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?
Thanks for the info.

got answer after maybe 12 hours,

remember to send PM, not only email...

coins went, waiting for postman...

[stripykitteh]

For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?
Thanks for the info.

got answer after maybe 12 hours,

remember to send PM, not only email...

coins went, waiting for postman...

If you do need a PM as well, the top post is misleading. friedcat should make it clear what methods of communication are acceptable, and remove the ones that aren't for clarity. Well at least you got your order filled which is the main thing.

[matt4054]

For those who wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com how long did you have to wait for an answer?
Thanks for the info.

got answer after maybe 12 hours,

remember to send PM, not only email...

coins went, waiting for postman...

If you do need a PM as well, the top post is misleading. friedcat should make it clear what methods of communication are acceptable, and remove the ones that aren't for clarity. Well at least you got your order filled which is the main thing.

Oh yes indeed. The post about never getting any answer and this one weren't very reinsuring about patience alone, so I just PM'ed friedcat now. Has anyone else had an answer to their e-mails from asicminer.blades@gmail.com recently?

I'm probably impatient but it would suck if there were no reply at all like pikeadz

[Aajo]

16.5. ordered
19.5. payed
21.5. shipped

[Rawbit]

...Has anyone else had an answer to their e-mails from asicminer.blades@gmail.com recently?

I just got reply yesterday within few hours.
Remember "Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number"

[matt4054]

OK, thanks for your feedback. I guess he is very busy at the moment. Will keep waiting.

[yurtesen]

You do not need to send PM. Actually it says in first post that PMs may be ignored.

Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number. PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored.

[jerboa]

Paid on the 21st. Looking forward to getting my tracking number tomorrow 

[VeeMiner]

is this plastic connector shipped with the blade?

[cchan]

is this plastic connector shipped with the blade?

Yes

[matt4054]

Payment sent a couple of hours ago, fingers crossed

For those who got theirs already, three quick questions:

• Do I need to solder wires from an ATX PSU directly into the connector, or are there already wires (even short ones) provided?
• To power-on a standalone ATX PSU, I just need to sink pin 13 to the ground, right?
• Do you think using a desktop grade fan (about 30 cm diameter) oriented at the radiator is sufficient (without manual OC = in factory state), in a way that makes the air flow go through the blades of course

Thank you very much for your advice, I'm so excited to get it

[Caesium]

• Do I need to solder wires from an ATX PSU directly into the connector, or are there already wires (even short ones) provided?

The green connector shown in a photo above is a screw terminal - bare some wires and screw into it. No soldering.

[jerboa]

Got my tracking number as promised 2 days after payment. This is how a real company is run!

[Soros Shorts]

Got my tracking number as promised 2 days after payment. This is how a real company is run!

I got my tracking number 51 hours after paying them. However, they clearly shipped well within their 48 hour guarantee. On the one hand, I am impressed. On the other hand, considering that with the price they are charging an optimistic ROI is 9-12 months I would expect nothing less.

[jerboa]

Got my tracking number as promised 2 days after payment. This is how a real company is run!

I got my tracking number 51 hours after paying them. However, they clearly shipped well within their 48 hour guarantee. On the one hand, I am impressed. On the other hand, considering that with the price they are charging an optimistic ROI is 9-12 months I would expect nothing less.

Love your name/avatar combo! My second comment was an obligatory stab at BFL, I see the mindset of their poor customers the same as victims in a Ponzi scheme "It'll be okay, just have to wait a little longer".
If any large players have hiccups getting their millions of TH's online that 9-12mo ROI can only be decreased and even if everything goes smoothly for everyone, where else in this day and age will you get an ROI < 12months (and in an appreciating currency as well!)? "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"

[underachiever]

Received mine earlier today, total shipping time was like two and a half days.  It is hashing right now at 10,745MH without any tweaking.

This post is a great help on the setup.  Piece of cake, though I am pursuing another method to mount the board.  I knows ASICMiner uses blade-style rack boxes but some screw mounting holes on the PCB would have be extremely helpful.

[dragonus]

Only 2 days, and I've tracking number, my asic had just left china...
Everything works as they wrote in first post, just send email with your personal data, PM and wait for answer...

They are really fast

[dogie]

Received mine earlier today, total shipping time was like two and a half days.  It is hashing right now at 10,745MH without any tweaking.

This post is a great help on the setup.  Piece of cake, though I am pursuing another method to mount the board.  I knows ASICMiner uses blade-style rack boxes but some screw mounting holes on the PCB would have be extremely helpful.

ty

Hi let me introduce myself,

us www.asicgigahash.com is the 1st UK based company offering services in relation to the Avalon ASIC Chips.

At this time we are simply offering ASIC Chips available for purchase on our website, we are working in conjuction with many software developers & electrical engineers who can assemble these chips onto the "k16" klondike board. "evilscoop"

As many of you may know GPU mining will cease to Exist in the next 3 months with avalon asic's being readily available of the shelf.

We aim to offer complete ready to mine bitcoin rigs on a "k16" giving a hash rate of 4.5gh/s ~282mh/s per chip.

we also are looking into having a fully functional Mining farm with the option to simply hire out GH/S "this then you do not require to order your own Avalon ASIC, you can simply hire Hash rate from us that bitcoins will be generated daily & sent direct to your wallet, (this is yet to be confirmed)

Please visit us at www.asicgigahash.com
Kind Regards

www.asicgigahash.com

Begone troll *shoes*

[arklan]

maybe you guys can give me a hand, those who have the blades up and running:

i just got the first shipment of the AM USB miners. blugged it in, installed the apparently required c210x uart bridge driver and... well, cg miner doesn't see it at all.

[Caesium]

maybe you guys can give me a hand, those who have the blades up and running:

i just got the first shipment of the AM USB miners. blugged it in, installed the apparently required c210x uart bridge driver and... well, cg miner doesn't see it at all.

Probably want to find a USB miner thread, the blades are completely different and don't use cgminer at all.

[arklan]

oh right, they're standalone. duh.

[pikeadz]

Sent a second e-mail this morning.  I really want a second blade but can't buy one. 

[ahitman]

Can anyone tell me to contact for tech support with the blades? I have an issue with the backup pool setting in the blade: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205369.msg2261283#msg2261283  Thanks

[alexuk]

selling my blade here if anyone is interested

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=215916.msg2266349#msg2266349

[pikeadz]

Friedcat responded to my second e-mail.  49.99 BTC sent to him.  He did say that if they were out of stock, that the funds would be refunded.  I am wondering if they aren't making anymore?

[dogie]

Friedcat responded to my second e-mail.  49.99 BTC sent to him.  He did say that if they were out of stock, that the funds would be refunded.  I am wondering if they aren't making anymore?

Could be just between batch shipments, or they're expecting the new revision asap?

[matt4054]

Friedcat responded to my second e-mail.  49.99 BTC sent to him.  He did say that if they were out of stock, that the funds would be refunded.  I am wondering if they aren't making anymore?

I had the same reply on Thursday. I believe it's a standard reply, and they still have some in stock at the moment.

I paid 2 hours after friedcat's reply, and I just got my tracking number. Blade on the way. Excellent job, ASICMINER always reliable, so rare in this business, very much appreciated.

[jerboa]

Received mine today! Half an hour of setup later it was hashing away at 12780 MHS @ 99% efficiency out of the box, I didn't even have to calibrate the voltages since they were done @ 1.2V already. Will be coming up with a way for a permanent mounting solution in the next couple of days which I will share.

[matt4054]

It was waiting for me this morning when I arrived at the office, but it was way too fast... I had planned to buy the PSU and the fans after work, now I'm wasting 12h hashing just because friedcat & DHL were too fast

It is so nice too see that deadlines are always met with friedcat. More power to him

[pornluver]

How do you pass customs?

[dogie]

How do you pass customs?

Community chest.

[ISAWHIM]

$6500 for 10GHs! (Shipped?)

Wow, I was not expecting that much of an expense... Cheaper than a GPU setup, ...

10GHs = ~15x 7970's = $6000 (But still needs 3x mobo-setups... +$600, and 3500W of PSUs 5x750 +$250 -$50 {blade needs one too})
Total GPU setup = $6800... (Minus games 15x$25 = $375) = $6425 (And you can resell the cards and hardware, not so-much with the blades.)

PASS

You can push 12x 7970's to 10GHs... and save another $1400+, = $5025 for 10GHs (Only 2 mobo's and one less PSU) *Not wise to do... lol, it will be a 100% loss after one year.

... And still scrypt mine alt-coins, and play games.

[dragonus]

How do you pass customs?

You have price 39USD in declaration attached to BE, so You can easiliy pay custom taxes

[Soros Shorts]

$6500 for 10GHs! (Shipped?)

Most people run their blades at the HIGH clock speed, giving almost 13 GH/s @ 120W.

[dogie]

$6500 for 10GHs! (Shipped?)

Wow, I was not expecting that much of an expense... Cheaper than a GPU setup, ...

10GHs = ~15x 7970's = $6000 (But still needs 3x mobo-setups... +$600, and 3500W of PSUs 5x750 +$250 -$50 {blade needs one too})
Total GPU setup = $6800... (Minus games 15x$25 = $375) = $6425 (And you can resell the cards and hardware, not so-much with the blades.)

PASS

You can push 12x 7970's to 10GHs... and save another $1400+, = $5025 for 10GHs (Only 2 mobo's and one less PSU) *Not wise to do... lol, it will be a 100% loss after one year.

... And still scrypt mine alt-coins, and play games.

Have fun paying that 3KW power bill compared to 80W, the heat and size of 3 full open case mining rigs.

So what you've concluded: 4% of the power consumption, same performance, 5% of the footprint.

[dragonus]

Got my own BE!
BF sent it on thursday... only 4 days of journey (with customs delay)

[jimmy3dita]

Good for you!

What it's not clear is:
- do I have to pay in advance?
- do I have to use the escrow?
- did you send the email first and then you made the payment?
- when you ordered your BE (email or payment sent)?

Thanks

[dragonus]

everything You need is on the beginning of this topic.

in my case...

21 may (night)

1. Email to asicminer.blades@gmail.com with your personal data
2. Send PM to friedcat

wait... (few hours in my case)
22 may (morning)

3. Got answer with btc address to pay
4. Pay... not escrow, directly to BF (I presume)
...wait up to 48h a They wrote

23 may
5. After maybe 2 days I've got dhl tracking number

27 customs in my country
28 delivered, paid customs tax to courier

That's all folks!

[pikeadz]

Update:  

5/25:  email received from friedcat with payment instructions.
5/25: paid 49.99 BTC to friedcat 2 hours later.
5/26:  sent follow up email and pm to make sure payment was received.
5/27: received DHL express tracking email.
5/28:  package departed hong kong customs.  From past experience, it will arrive in cincinnati in a few hours and be delivered tomorrow.
5/29:  Blade received and hashing away.  Slight issue with one of the chips displaying "X" after hashing for 15 minutes on high clock.  A restart solved the problem.  All chips read 0 after 1.5 hours. 

THANK YOU FRIEDCAT.

[ryantc]

$6500 for 10GHs! (Shipped?)

Wow, I was not expecting that much of an expense... Cheaper than a GPU setup, ...

10GHs = ~15x 7970's = $6000 (But still needs 3x mobo-setups... +$600, and 3500W of PSUs 5x750 +$250 -$50 {blade needs one too})
Total GPU setup = $6800... (Minus games 15x$25 = $375) = $6425 (And you can resell the cards and hardware, not so-much with the blades.)

PASS

You can push 12x 7970's to 10GHs... and save another $1400+, = $5025 for 10GHs (Only 2 mobo's and one less PSU) *Not wise to do... lol, it will be a 100% loss after one year.

... And still scrypt mine alt-coins, and play games.

mathematically correct
but if you factor in space, power consumption and heat dispersion that's a different story.
I guess people like to invest 6500 in miner, they have more faith in BTC success

[jimmy3dita]

Now it's clear,
I didn't get the meaning of "PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored." correctly =)

[matt4054]

Now it's clear,
I didn't get the meaning of "PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored." correctly =)

You're not the only one, if you read previous pages. These are ignored indeed, and I believe it should be removed from OP because it has already caused much confusion.

[Fassade]

He's doesn't respond anymore my emails. How much time take to receive the payment address?

[TheSwede75]

I feel like ASICMINER should try doing another auction to gauge the price point for Blades with delivery in the next few weeks. I would love to see more blades sold, but I doubt there is a huge market for more @ BTC50-ish with diff going up and avalon chips soon becoming widely available.

[fredtrader]

I feel like ASICMINER should try doing another auction to gauge the price point for Blades with delivery in the next few weeks. I would love to see more blades sold, but I doubt there is a huge market for more @ BTC50-ish with diff going up and avalon chips soon becoming widely available.

It will have to sell as many blades as possible before that time.

[Ultraviolet]

I sent like 4 e-mails to address in the OP over the last 10 days and haven't received a reply. Pretty lame.

[kendog77]

I feel like ASICMINER should try doing another auction to gauge the price point for Blades with delivery in the next few weeks. I would love to see more blades sold, but I doubt there is a huge market for more @ BTC50-ish with diff going up and avalon chips soon becoming widely available.

Agreed, it's currently very risky to pay 50 BTC for a blade.

If difficulty only increases by 10% every 2016 blocks, and some folks think it will rise much faster than that, it will take 6 months for a blade to earn 50 BTC.

I'm on the fence but would definitely buy at a lower price point.

[matt4054]

I sent like 4 e-mails to address in the OP over the last 10 days and haven't received a reply. Pretty lame.

This is pure speculation from me (not implying that friedcat doesn't answer incomplete requests), but are you sure that you included ALL relevant details: nb of units ordered, a phone number with int'l dialing code, a ZIP code, a correctly formatted shipping address with country,  and a real name (they need a contact person for DHL).

Another possibility is Gmail's spam filter. If you haven't already, I would suggest e-mailing from an @gmail.com address to reduce the chances of being spam filtered.

I have sent two (polite) e-mails and got an answer after 2-3 days, with payment address. I paid 2 hours later, and I got my tracking number about 55 hours later, but the shipment was made well within the promised 48 hours after payment. And the shipping was *very* expedited, just a bit more than 48 hours from Shenzhen to Geneva. So I have all reasons to be satisfied, especially in the context of (bad) business practices in the ASIC market.

[BlackLilac Grant]

I have sent two (polite) e-mails and got an answer after 2-3 days, with payment address. I paid 2 hours later, and I got my tracking number about 55 hours later, but the shipment was made well within the promised 48 hours after payment. And the shipping was *very* expedited, just a bit more than 48 hours from Shenzhen to Geneva. So I have all reasons to be satisfied, especially in the context of (bad) business practices in the ASIC market.

Almost exactly my result, only the first e-mail response came in about 36 hours, and mine was shipped to Vancouver.

Currently hashing away at 13 GH/s with 99.99% efficiency.   

[sinx91]

Ordered 2 units on monday and still no bitcoinaddress/reply :/

[VeeMiner]

22/5 - emailed the order
23/5 - got the bitcoin address to send the bitcoins and paid in the evening
25/5 - got tracking number
27/5 - got the machine

[crochetg]

Just sent an email to  asicminer.blades@gmail.com and fnnirvana@gmail.com asking for payment instructions and I included my address.

Is this the correct protocol to order? Sorry, that was a little unclear to me, so I just sent the same email to both of those email addresses.

[matauc12]

Just sent an email to  asicminer.blades@gmail.com and fnnirvana@gmail.com asking for payment instructions and I included my address.

Is this the correct protocol to order? Sorry, that was a little unclear to me, so I just sent the same email to both of those email addresses.

He did say contacts to fnnirvana and pm will be ignored. But since it was cc'ed to asicminer.blades@gmail.com, you're OK..

[stripykitteh]

Ordered 2 units on monday and still no bitcoinaddress/reply :/

What email address did you use?

[pornluver]

How exactly this will be packaged?

What would the weight be?

What would the size be?

What would the packaging be?

I am scared of custom.

What would the declared price be?

I've heard it'll be declared as $39. That's fair. $39 is the cost of material, and the rest is the cost of building the blade. So yea the stuffs do worth $39.

The thing is, does asicminer put their brand name on the packaging? What about if custom is aware of what it really is?

I've heard serbian government caught that once.

[sinx91]

Ive only wrote to this mail: asicminer.blades@gmail.com

Still no reply.

[szmarco]

Ive only wrote to this mail: asicminer.blades@gmail.com

Still no reply.

me too. Sent a email at PM 3:00 yesterday . No Reply Yet.

[sinx91]

I dont know whats going on, i wrote them 4 days ago.
Does friedcat forgot this topic? He ignores the pms,
I tried to remember him that he should take a look in his mail
folder.

I dont understand, every of us want to pay a minimum of 50
Bitcoins, its 5000€ and this week they do not care about us.

I really hope i get the bitcoinaddress soon :/

[jimmy3dita]

Probably they are busy with the USB devices

[pikeadz]

How exactly this will be packaged?

What would the weight be?

What would the size be?

What would the packaging be?

I am scared of custom.

What would the declared price be?

I've heard it'll be declared as $39. That's fair. $39 is the cost of material, and the rest is the cost of building the blade. So yea the stuffs do worth $39.

The thing is, does asicminer put their brand name on the packaging? What about if custom is aware of what it really is?

I've heard serbian government caught that once.

The two that I have bought come in a small brown cardboard box that is wrapped in dhl packing wrap (the plastic kind that doesn't tear).  The box dimensions are 12in. x 12in. x 2.5in.  It weighs about 2 lbs.  Declared price was $39.  I will refrain from saying what label and address are on the package but it is pretty nondescript.  It's not obvious that there is an ASIC in there.

[Fassade]

My case:

-22/05: Sent mail about details.
-23/05: He asking about the functioning of customs in my country.
-23/05: I answered his question.
-29/05: He sent the address to pay.
-29/05: I paid.
-30/05: He sent me the tracking number of DHL.
-04/06: Received 

[SwissMiner]

.. sent order via email one week ago .. got btc address .. was asking for confirmation (hey, that's are no peanut orders) ..

NO MORE REACTION 

I guess if we are asking to much, friedcat is ignoring us 

[BlackLilac Grant]

.. sent order via email one week ago .. got btc address .. was asking for confirmation (hey, that's are no peanut orders) ..

NO MORE REACTION 

I guess if we are asking to much, friedcat is ignoring us 

What do you mean you asked for confirmation?

I have placed multiple orders with friedcat via this method and have never had to wait more than 24 hours to hear back from him. I wonder if they are being overwhelmed by orders, missing some messages to the spam folder, ignoring emails that don't meet a certain criteria, or what.

[arklan]

if they are, i'd be happy to help out!

[SwissMiner]

.. sent order via email one week ago .. got btc address .. was asking for confirmation (hey, that's are no peanut orders) ..

NO MORE REACTION 

I guess if we are asking to much, friedcat is ignoring us 

What do you mean you asked for confirmation?

I have placed multiple orders with friedcat via this method and have never had to wait more than 24 hours to hear back from him. I wonder if they are being overwhelmed by orders, missing some messages to the spam folder, ignoring emails that don't meet a certain criteria, or what.

I changed the quantity .. asking just to be sure ..
anyway, I transfered yesterday the BTC .. so I pray to get a trackingnumber 

[matt4054]

I changed the quantity .. asking just to be sure ..
anyway, I transfered yesterday the BTC .. so I pray to get a trackingnumber 

I think you did the right thing. No one here has reported more than 48h between the time of payment and the time of shipping. You'll notice, however, that you don't get your tracking number immediately after shipping. When I got mine, the unit had already been picked up by DHL something like 12 hours before.

Let's hope we can buy that stuff at Migros soon

[SwissMiner]

Let's hope we can buy that stuff at Migros soon

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO 

[pornluver]

What is migros?

How do I send the address? I've heard I have to sign the message. How to actually do that?

[sinner]

can still buy these?

[SwissMiner]

.. update .. got DHL tracking number .. blade is already at customs in Switzerland

[ElGabo]

I'm thinking about to buy 2 of these blades.

I have no BTC so I have to buy 100 to buy the blades.

The simple question is worth it for that price?

I was thinking about when I mined 50BTC with them I could buy a new one, than an other and so... But with the calculation of 40% difficulty increase per month it's a never ending story with no profit.

What do you think about it?
 

[pvtbrutus]

I'm thinking about to buy 2 of these blades.

I have no BTC so I have to buy 100 to buy the blades.

The simple question is worth it for that price?

I was thinking about when I mined 50BTC with them I could buy a new one, than an other and so... But with the calculation of 40% difficulty increase per month it's a never ending story with no profit.

What do you think about it?
 

Thats on everybody's mind Elgabo. Invest now and profit from the low diff untill the diff is too high and you need new devices? Or wait until the new devices arrive? Maybe the BTC is worth alot more by then so the calculated fiat price will also rise. Or just buy them and don't care about ROI because its just a hobby? I can imagine a lot of hobbies that are expensive and don't return shit .

It really depends on what your financial situation is and if you don't mind losing some money. Truth is these blades probably will sell in the future (+1 year) for the same price or higher or slightly lower. Proof of this is when you look for BFL single FPGA now, these sell around the same price as when they were sold new or more even.

[pikeadz]

Truth is these blades probably will sell in the future (+1 year) for the same price or higher or slightly lower. Proof of this is when you look for BFL single FPGA now, these sell around the same price as when they were sold new or more even.

That is a good point.  Everyone says the ASICs will have no resale value.  I call BS.  Look at the block erupter USBs on ebay.  People are buying them now just to resell.  And Blades are on ebay right now for $6800, used.  They've already been mining for a month if they are first batch, which means they've made 30 coins or so already.  People are very shortsighted in this business.  That, and some just paint a dire picture because they don't want others to mine out of greed. 

[twitami1]

So if one does decide to buy, what really is the easiest, fastest way to get that many bitcoins (if US based)?  I have like 5 now, so we need to buy 45 (or more).

Thanks!

[ElGabo]

I think I'll wait for new devices and jump in then. I try to look this investment only from business side. I would pretty happy if a few blades could hash on my desk but I think they can't make enough income to buy new ones to win the competition against difficulty.

If I could make at least 5%+ with each investment against difficulty it would be such a good business. But at this price I think it's better to hold money and wait.

[jerboa]

Don't mean to thread jack but I have made some mounts for these blades which I am auctioning off here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=225205.msg2368858#msg2368858

[twitami1]

These still available? Trying to get enough BTC together, but seems to be no one getting answers here lately.

[SwissMiner]

.. blade is online and mining at 10.680 on low clock .. thank you friedcat 

[Xian01]

These still available? Trying to get enough BTC together, but seems to be no one getting answers here lately.

 Seemingly still available. Just placed an order for a blade with friedcat this morning.

[twitami1]

Cool, thanks! Sent an email--cant decide between a blade or a bunch of USB miners.

[rammy2k2]

Cool, thanks! Sent an email--cant decide between a blade or a bunch of USB miners.

are u serious ?

[SwissMiner]

120min stats:

low clk: 10.910GH/s 149H/m 99.27% eff.

high clk: 13.044GH/s 178H/m 99.46% eff.

stratum protocol in use, connected via proxy

[rammy2k2]

120min stats:

low clk: 10.910GH/s 149H/m 99.27% eff.

high clk: 13.044GH/s 178H/m 99.46% eff.

stratum protocol in use, connected via proxy

i recommend u bitparking.com for merged mining , u earn a little extra

[Gomeler]

120min stats:

low clk: 10.910GH/s 149H/m 99.27% eff.

high clk: 13.044GH/s 178H/m 99.46% eff.

stratum protocol in use, connected via proxy

i recommend u bitparking.com for merged mining , u earn a little extra

or bitminter

[dimomit]

May be I have bad luck. Wrote to asicminer.blades@gmail.com on 30th may for purchasing still no answer, wrote yesterday again no reply. My colleague wrote them and receive answer after 2 hours. What to do?

[muyuu]

.. blade is online and mining at 10.680 on low clock .. thank you friedcat 

If you have appropriate fans it should be mining more at high clock.

[dogie]

Like this:

Wind tunnel design helps a LOT, conveys all the heat up and away. Everything much cooler and with lower fan speeds.

Remember the giant setup thread if you get stuck:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205369.0

[pikeadz]

120min stats:

low clk: 10.910GH/s 149H/m 99.27% eff.

high clk: 13.044GH/s 178H/m 99.46% eff.

stratum protocol in use, connected via proxy

i recommend u bitparking.com for merged mining , u earn a little extra

or bitminter

What does your configuration and stratum command look like for bitminter? That is the only pool I haven't been able to connect to, and 1 or 2 others have said the same thing in the bitminter pool thread.

[twitami1]

Yeah, I emailed too, few days ago. No answer yet.

[klrgoten]

aye, I'm still waiting on an answer from 5/30

[Ultraviolet]

I e-mailed 5+ times in the last two weeks including a PM to Friedcat but no response, so consider yourselves lucky if you've only been waiting since 5/30.

[rammy2k2]

I e-mailed 5+ times in the last two weeks including a PM to Friedcat but no response, so consider yourselves lucky if you've only been waiting since 5/30.

u should stop emailing, im sure they seen your first one too. maybe they are out of stock and u guys need to wait

[Xian01]

Strange. My orders just shipped. Have never gone longer than 24 hours without getting a response   Sorry to hear you're having difficulties with communication

[hx00]

Hey there, are there still some devices for sale? Somewhere?

[Xian01]

Hey there, are there still some devices for sale? Somewhere?

Purchasing
  Pricing: retail price 49.99BTC each, 48.99 each if quantity >= 10 in a single order, 47.99 each if quantity >= 20 in a single order.
  Contact: Please send mail to (asicminer.blades@gmail.com) about the quantity, your postal address, zip code and telephone number. PM to friedcat(this account) or fnnirvana@gmail.com about this sales thread may be ignored.
  Shipping: DHL for international, SF-Express for China.

[dogie]

Anyone still waiting, I'm selling my 5 blades here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226676.0
Available immediately.

[piit79]

I'm also selling 2 blades, I'm in UK but shipping worldwide.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227243.0

[Xian01]

Thanks again, friedcat !

[SilentSonicBoom]

Thanks again, friedcat !

What size fans are those in your picture?

[Xian01]

What size fans are those in your picture?

 Honestly, I'm not sure Had those fans kicking around in my stockpile from a bunch of old rigs, and dusted them off for this application. 120mm's I think

[SilentSonicBoom]

What size fans are those in your picture?

 Honestly, I'm not sure Had those fans kicking around in my stockpile from a bunch of old rigs, and dusted them off for this application. 120mm's I think

Thank you for the reply.

[dogie]

What size fans are those in your picture?

 Honestly, I'm not sure Had those fans kicking around in my stockpile from a bunch of old rigs, and dusted them off for this application. 120mm's I think

Too big to be 120s. Look like 140s

[sinx91]

These are 140 mm.

I have 4 fans, 2 on each side of the vertical blade.

So iam cooling my power and hashing module from both sides with
the powerful scythe ultra kaze 120 mm 3000 rpm and 230 m^3/h.
Each fan needs around 7 watt.
My heatsink is on 28 C, my chips are on 46 C and my powermodule on 26 C.
Overclocked at 1.2 V, running at 13200 mhs.

I took the temps after 30 hours and choosed the hottest spots of each modul.

Dont know, what are the max temps?
I think with this temps the blade will live forever

Please dont use the same cables to connect blade and fans or for two blades...cables could get hot and ... melt

Really not worth to risk and try. Only a advice.

[threedrules]

hope to get an answer soon on my email cant wait to get it

what kind of psu are you guys using?

[SwissMiner]

you will need 12 vdc at 10 amps, any pc powersupply will do

[bitdaniel]

Get no answer. Wrote to friedcat and to the email-adresses...

[dogie]

I still have 2 inhand units in the UK that are for sale, pm me.

[dogie]

Now have a list of buyers and sellers who want to trade.
Matching them in priority order by price and location for quick trades.
PM me if you want in

[SwissMiner]

Now have a list of buyers and sellers who want to trade.
Matching them in priority order by price and location for quick trades.
PM me if you want in

dogie in blade-broker-business (BBB) 

In your other thread you are writring "all blades sold" 

I guess nobody want to pay 50 BTC for yours when still new blades are available for 49.99 BTC with free shipping worldwide 

[friedcat]

The blades are temporarily out of stock.

Please wait till late June to early July for newer blades with improved design and better price.

[pitan]

The blades are temporarily out of stock.

Please wait till late June to early July for newer blades with improved design and better price.

Woo~ can't wait!

[Xian01]

friedcat for president !

[dogie]

The blades are temporarily out of stock.

Please wait till late June to early July for newer blades with improved design and better price.

Estimates?
Still targeting 13GH for 120W?
Just smaller mini blades?
Estimated price?

[CanaryInTheMine]

The blades are temporarily out of stock.

Please wait till late June to early July for newer blades with improved design and better price.

can't wait! 

[newmars]

what new price will it be? 
Watching the update...

The blades are temporarily out of stock.

Please wait till late June to early July for newer blades with improved design and better price.

[tkone]

The blades are temporarily out of stock.

Please wait till late June to early July for newer blades with improved design and better price.

please note this is not a BFL announcement rofl!

[one4many]

The blades are temporarily out of stock.

Please wait till late June to early July for newer blades with improved design and better price.

[advertising]
And if you live in the EU and can't wait because you want one now ... check out my eBay Auction! ;-)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bitcoin-Block-Erupter-ASIC-Miner-13GH-s-WIRD-SOFORT-VERSCHICKT-Kein-BFL-/271221523425?pt=DE_Computer_Sonstige&hash=item3f261003e1
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[SwissMiner]

[advertising]
And if you live in the EU and can't wait because you want one now ... check out my eBay Auction! ;-)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bitcoin-Block-Erupter-ASIC-Miner-13GH-s-WIRD-SOFORT-VERSCHICKT-Kein-BFL-/271221523425?pt=DE_Computer_Sonstige&hash=item3f261003e1
[/advertising]

.. schade, hätte gerne mitgeboten .. ich lebe aber nicht in der EU .. wir Schweizer werden aber auch immer mehr ausgegrenzt 

[one4many]

[advertising]
And if you live in the EU and can't wait because you want one now ... check out my eBay Auction! ;-)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bitcoin-Block-Erupter-ASIC-Miner-13GH-s-WIRD-SOFORT-VERSCHICKT-Kein-BFL-/271221523425?pt=DE_Computer_Sonstige&hash=item3f261003e1
[/advertising]

.. schade, hätte gerne mitgeboten .. ich lebe aber nicht in der EU .. wir Schweizer werden aber auch immer mehr ausgegrenzt  

Neeee ... so schlimm ist es jetzt auch nicht.  
Immerhin seid ihr:
a) dem Schengen Abkommen beigetreten ... und viel wichtiger natürlich
b) schickt ihr jetzt eure Strafzettel auch nach DE um euer Geld zu bekommen. 

 

  one4many

P.S.: Was würdest du den zahlen? (Antwort als PM bitte   )

[WinTame2012]

[advertising]
And if you live in the EU and can't wait because you want one now ... check out my eBay Auction! ;-)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bitcoin-Block-Erupter-ASIC-Miner-13GH-s-WIRD-SOFORT-VERSCHICKT-Kein-BFL-/271221523425?pt=DE_Computer_Sonstige&hash=item3f261003e1
[/advertising]

.. schade, hätte gerne mitgeboten .. ich lebe aber nicht in der EU .. wir Schweizer werden aber auch immer mehr ausgegrenzt  

Neeee ... so schlimm ist es jetzt auch nicht.  
Immerhin seid ihr:
a) dem Schengen Abkommen beigetreten ... und viel wichtiger natürlich
b) schickt ihr jetzt eure Strafzettel auch nach DE um euer Geld zu bekommen. 

 

  one4many

P.S.: Was würdest du den zahlen? (Antwort als PM bitte   )

English please? Be polite to other readers.

[SwissMiner]

All my blades are from here:

http://www.cardreaderfactory.com/shop/asicminer-block-erupter-blade.html

.. within two days after payment by DHL 

[JordanL]

Sweet, glad I got mine while the getting was good.   

I can't wait to get my hands on the new ones in July... it is really perfect that they are taking time off of selling them before releasing the newer ones at a lower price... giving time to those who bought at around BTC50 to make up the difference.

The way these people at Bitfountain/ASICMINER are handling their business is, simply put, the absolute best I have ever seen from a Bitcoin related company. They are showing the potential to be on the same level of other elite game-changing tech companies, like Ebay, Google, and Oracle, in their prime. The idea of the next gen ones that ASICMINER will release in the fall fills my daydreams with pure joy and excitement. If I thought I was ecstatic when I got my first blade hashing... I will lose my mind when I plug in my first next gen blade and see the damage it can do. Not to mention that there is almost no chance BFL will even begin shipping its backlog of mini-rigs by then... it looks as if they still are unable to produce anything close to the 1TH/s monsters they promised (and sold). By the time they get those things out ASICMINER will have a USB doing 1TH.   

It has been one of the biggest pleasures of my life to watch these geniuses turn ~400k of start-up money in to over 100 million bucks in under a year... and even more than the financial aspect, the way they always operate in the best interest of Bitcoin, and actually (over) deliver on what they plan and promise to their customers and shareholders... we have witnessed the birth of a company that will be discussed in every business school in five or ten years, whether they remain pseudonymous or not.

They are they new wealthy elite, and they didn't get it by fluke, they took it by being absolutely outstanding at what they're doing. If I could give a standing ovation over the internet, I would be doing it right now.

Friedcat for Prime Minister for sure.

[rtt]

friedcat for president !

Of any specific country?

[vapourminer]

friedcat for president !

Of any specific country?

why, all of them of course.

[teek]

We have some blades left @ http://www.wtcr.ca

[dogie]

I'm still looking for buyers and sellers. Big list of both, just matching people up by region, price and requirements PM me for details, things moving quickly.

[rdponticelli]

friedcat for president !

Of any specific country?

Of the Autonomous Self-determined Free Space of the Internet. 

[pand70]

Any chance of selling something that is not way overpriced
for those of us who can do basic maths?

[Toolhead]

Very good question, pand!

[matauc12]

Any chance of selling something that is not way overpriced
for those of us who can do basic maths?

I don't know the specific language of your math, but my blades are turning ROI in 3 weeks and then pure profit...

[candoo]

Any chance of selling something that is not way overpriced
for those of us who can do basic maths?

I don't know the specific language of your math, but my blades are turning ROI in 3 weeks and then pure profit...

You mine 50 btc in 3 weeks?? Lool.

[Xian01]

Anyone know a way around the Blades resetting to a low clock after being disconnected from a pool for a while ? Consistently happens for me when Bitminter goes offline

[dogie]

Anyone know a way around the Blades resetting to a low clock after being disconnected from a pool for a while ? Consistently happens for me when Bitminter goes offline

Only happens on B1 firmware.

[Xian01]

Anyone know a way around the Blades resetting to a low clock after being disconnected from a pool for a while ? Consistently happens for me when Bitminter goes offline

Only happens on B1 firmware.

 .. and a quick search reveals it's not possible to upgrade the firmware, correct ?

[dogie]

Its possible but needs specialist equipment

[sinx91]

Any chance of selling something that is not way overpriced
for those of us who can do basic maths?

I don't know the specific language of your math, but my blades are turning ROI in 3 weeks and then pure profit...

It is very clear, he bought them for 9 bitcoins or he is living in a other time period where the difficulty is 5 times lower.

[PuertoLibre]

http://speedy.sh/Zr5Mc/ASICs-are-way-overpriced-v1.xlsx

Here is the spreadsheet.

[dogie]

Here is the spreadsheet.

Did you really just use a 62 billion difficulty prediction within 12 months....

[PuertoLibre]

Here is the spreadsheet.

Did you really just use a 62 billion difficulty prediction within 12 months....

Use a more conservative number. Use 1%, then 2%. etc

http://dot-bit.org/tools/nextDifficulty.php

If you want to make the curves on your own you can change the table at the right. The next difficulty is 24%. Far higher than what my chart shows.

That means you are about to lose 24% of everything you would have made in the next year if difficulty remained absolutely flat. What do you think it will be next week? 2%?

Each successive 15% is a smaller proportion of the pie than the last. So it should be a good median start.

[shapemaker]

http://speedy.sh/Zr5Mc/ASICs-are-way-overpriced-v1.xlsx

Here is the spreadsheet.

And this is exactly why these devices are, and have been from the start, way overpriced. Some people keep on harping how Asicminer is soooo good for Bitcoin and all that crap. While the truth is they're ruthless capitalists who exploit the people who fail at maths completely. I guess there is a lot of truth in the saying "A fool and his money are easily parted".

The only people profiting here are Asicminer, and to a lesser degree, their shareholders. I said it before, and I say it again: Asicminer leaves no profit to their customers. Check back in a year and tell me how much profit you made from your BEB bought @50 BTC...

[Soros Shorts]

Here is the spreadsheet.

Did you really just use a 62 billion difficulty prediction within 12 months....

Use a more conservative number. Use 1%, then 2%. etc

http://dot-bit.org/tools/nextDifficulty.php

If you want to make the curves on your own you can change the table at the right. The next difficulty is 24%. Far higher than what my chart shows.

That means you are about to lose 24% of everything you would have made in the next year if difficulty remained absolutely flat. What do you think it will be next week? 2%?

Each successive 15% is a smaller proportion of the pie than the last. So it should be a good median start.

The 15% or 24% increase every difficulty change will not sustain for an entire year. At some point it will start tapering off well before we hit 62 billion. In parts of the world with expensive electricity, ASIC miners and Avalons will start becoming unprofitable to operate at around the 500 million difficulty mark (at current exchange rates). People would have to be really stupid to keep buying when we get close to that point.

[ThickAsThieves]

Here is the spreadsheet.

Did you really just use a 62 billion difficulty prediction within 12 months....

Use a more conservative number. Use 1%, then 2%. etc

http://dot-bit.org/tools/nextDifficulty.php

If you want to make the curves on your own you can change the table at the right. The next difficulty is 24%. Far higher than what my chart shows.

That means you are about to lose 24% of everything you would have made in the next year if difficulty remained absolutely flat. What do you think it will be next week? 2%?

Each successive 15% is a smaller proportion of the pie than the last. So it should be a good median start.

The 15% or 24% increase every difficulty change will not sustain for an entire year. At some point it will start tapering off well before we hit 62 billion. In parts of the world with expensive electricity, ASIC miners and Avalons will start becoming unprofitable to operate at around the 500 million difficulty mark (at current exchange rates). People would have to be really stupid to keep buying when we get close to that point.

What if all miners are on 28nm by then?

[PuertoLibre]

Here is the spreadsheet.

Did you really just use a 62 billion difficulty prediction within 12 months....

Use a more conservative number. Use 1%, then 2%. etc

http://dot-bit.org/tools/nextDifficulty.php

If you want to make the curves on your own you can change the table at the right. The next difficulty is 24%. Far higher than what my chart shows.

That means you are about to lose 24% of everything you would have made in the next year if difficulty remained absolutely flat. What do you think it will be next week? 2%?

Each successive 15% is a smaller proportion of the pie than the last. So it should be a good median start.

The 15% or 24% increase every difficulty change will not sustain for an entire year. At some point it will start tapering off well before we hit 62 billion. In parts of the world with expensive electricity, ASIC miners and Avalons will start becoming unprofitable to operate at around the 500 million difficulty mark (at current exchange rates). People would have to be really stupid to keep buying when we get close to that point.

Which just means you'll lose most of the value at the very beginning.

I chose 15% because it is neither too high nor too low. I back tested 15% (@ a frequency of 14 day corrections) to when I got my Avalon and it turned out very close to what I actually made. (it was actually a little bit higher than actual)

While I am aware that the first 15% is inaccurate and too low @ a frequency of 7 days per correction, (as we know 24% is the next figure) I figured the median of 15% should compensate for peaks and troughs over time.

As more ASIC come online the frequency towards the end should be even shorter than 7 days. Which will make corrections in difficulty all that more severe than what is depicted.

[Vycid]

Here is the spreadsheet.

Did you really just use a 62 billion difficulty prediction within 12 months....

Not unreasonable.

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png

(The dip in the last day or two is ASICMiner taking hardware offline temporarily)

[dogie]

Here is the spreadsheet.

Did you really just use a 62 billion difficulty prediction within 12 months....

Not unreasonable.

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png

(The dip in the last day or two is ASICMiner taking hardware offline temporarily)

Wow, the logics are OP. Who would be putting new hardware on line to raise the difficulty when the difficulty is already 59 BILLION. Thats 4,500,000TH, of which 4490000TH will never pay for itself. So it will never arrive. So it won't get there.

Stop spreading your bullshit please.

[Xian01]

Stop spreading your bullshit please.

 *mumbles something about going past 200 mil difficulty and everyone gets out of the game*

[innovation]

Anyone know a way around the Blades resetting to a low clock after being disconnected from a pool for a while ? Consistently happens for me when Bitminter goes offline

My acisminer blade goes well.
Maybe your internet browse allways refresh at the 'http://192.168.1.254:8000/Sw_Clock'.
Just close your browse and reopen Microsoft IE at http://192.168.1.254:8000/main.
Things maybe go well.
Best Regards.

[hanti]

Anyone know a way around the Blades resetting to a low clock after being disconnected from a pool for a while ? Consistently happens for me when Bitminter goes offline

i had the same problem after switch to high clock after restart it was low, then i hit update/restart button after switching to high clock and now its always high

[pikeadz]

Anyone know a way around the Blades resetting to a low clock after being disconnected from a pool for a while ? Consistently happens for me when Bitminter goes offline

My acisminer blade goes well.
Maybe your internet browse allways refresh at the 'http://192.168.1.254:8000/Sw_Clock'.
Just close your browse and reopen Microsoft IE at http://192.168.1.254:8000/main.
Things maybe go well.
Best Regards.

This just happened to both of my blades when Eligius when offline about an hour ago.  They both switched to low clock, and insteead of switching to my backup pool, kept trying to submit shares through the stratum proxy, which had quit entirely and was just generating an error (should have done a screenshot but I was in a hurry to get things moving again)...

[LainZ]

Thank you PuertoLibre for your tool.

If I understand correctly, and looking at your figures, a 10GH/S device will make 6,7BTC in July, 3,3BTC in August, 1,5BTC in September, and 1,5BTC for the rest of its hashing life. Starting @ 01/07/2013. That equals to 13,2BTC.

2 facts then if I am not mistaken :

-If friedcat sets a price higher than 13,2BTC no miner will get a ROI from Asicminer July Batch. (I expect the new price to be 25BTC/Blade)

-the price of a 10GH/s burnin device made with Avalons chips is around 4.5BTC(correct me if wrong).

-> That means the 10GH/S must be hashing before 16/08/2013 or I will not make ROI on my Avalon chips.

Hopefully(best scenario) they will arrive mid July in the hands of burnin(the chips are supposed to leave factory 4 weeks after the samples).

If it happens that in one week he can send the boards as he says, then I will make 3.6BTC from 22/07/2013 to 16/08/2013 and then 4.42BTC for the rest of its life.

It seems it will be a hot summer if the chips are late...

[PuertoLibre]

Thank you PuertoLibre for your tool.

If I understand correctly, and looking at your figures, a 10GH/S device will make 6,7BTC in July, 3,3BTC in August, 1,5BTC in September, and 1,5BTC for the rest of its hashing life. Starting @ 01/07/2013. That equals to 13,2BTC.

2 facts then if I am not mistaken :

-If friedcat sets a price higher than 13,2BTC no miner will get a ROI from Asicminer July Batch. (I expect the new price to be 25BTC/Blade)

-the price of a 10GH/s burnin device made with Avalons chips is around 4.5BTC(correct me if wrong).

-> That means the 10GH/S must be hashing before 16/08/2013 or I will not make ROI on my Avalon chips.

Hopefully(best scenario) they will arrive mid July in the hands of burnin(the chips are supposed to leave factory 4 weeks after the samples).

If it happens that in one week he can send the boards as he says, then I will make 3.6BTC from 22/07/2013 to 16/08/2013 and then 4.42BTC for the rest of its life.

It seems it will be a hot summer if the chips are late...

I'd have to check your numbers to be sure. But that sounds about in the right neighborhood.

"-If friedcat sets a price higher than 13,2BTC no miner will get a ROI from Asicminer July Batch. (I expect the new price to be 25BTC/Blade)"

Correct, if he doesn't lower the price (or dramatically increase the performance), then effectively you'd be pouring money into a losing proposition.

If you have doubts as to what the spreadsheet tells you, then feel free to use very conservative percentages and compare that with actual reality.

======================================

If you have serious doubts, simply plug in the current amount you made in one day as the first date. Then set the percentage to 0%.

When the next difficulty correction occurs, take note of the percentage the difficulty went up that week. Take note of what you would have made (in BTC) if things remained the same difficulty up to the very end of the year.

Now put in that number (manually) into the first percentage deduction. From that you will know just how much of your yearly earnings you lost in just that immediate change.

Every week that passes by, simply plug in the actual percentage of difficulty change and you'll see the years end amount decrease by that certain amount.

It will give you an irrefutable insight into what you are losing 1 year down the road. It won't take you, or anyone, that long to figure out...your not going to make back what you thought you would.

If your miner costs more than that value, then it is overpriced. You'll never make back the money that you put into it.

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The only way I see people making money off ASICMiner is through their shares. If they grow in value then by the shares price alone, you will make money.

But buying the hardware itself is simply like throwing money into a fire pit at this point. The current generation and configuration of ASICs aren't as profitable as people believe they are.

[PuertoLibre]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236050.0

Take a look. Someone put it on Google Docs.

[seleme]

Correct, if he doesn't lower the price (or dramatically increase the performance), then effectively you'd be pouring money into a losing proposition.

Can't see anything new there--- whoever ever bought any AsicMiner mining product poured money into losing proposition. Well,except AsicMiner shills who faked first blade auction to pump it's retail price and with that the AM share they have.

Can't say I feel sorry for them though I do admire them. You have to be seriously talented dumbass to get caught in AsicMiner's community robbery - like some 150$ profit margin on USBs (each of thousands of sold ones) while buyers won't sniff ROI ever.

If there's one proof that bitcoin community is filled by absolute idiots there's no need to go further then AsicMiner sale threads.

[ThickAsThieves]

Correct, if he doesn't lower the price (or dramatically increase the performance), then effectively you'd be pouring money into a losing proposition.

Can't see anything new there--- whoever ever bought any AsicMiner mining product poured money into losing proposition. Well,except AsicMiner shills who faked first blade auction to pump it's retail price and with that the AM share they have.

Can't say I feel sorry for them though I do admire them. You have to be seriously talented dumbass to get caught in AsicMiner's community robbery - like some 150$ profit margin on USBs (each of thousands of sold ones) while buyers won't sniff ROI ever.

If there's one proof that bitcoin community is filled by absolute idiots there's no need to go further then AsicMiner sale threads.

People buying AM blades aren't necessarily as dumb as you think they are. The blades are an asset like any other, and the biggest part of profiting from bitcoin assets is timing.

When did you buy? How much did you make while you held? What did you sell for?

Add those up and a blade owner can actually come out on top, even with difficulty rises.

[kendog77]

Correct, if he doesn't lower the price (or dramatically increase the performance), then effectively you'd be pouring money into a losing proposition.

Can't see anything new there--- whoever ever bought any AsicMiner mining product poured money into losing proposition. Well,except AsicMiner shills who faked first blade auction to pump it's retail price and with that the AM share they have.

Can't say I feel sorry for them though I do admire them. You have to be seriously talented dumbass to get caught in AsicMiner's community robbery - like some 150$ profit margin on USBs (each of thousands of sold ones) while buyers won't sniff ROI ever.

If there's one proof that bitcoin community is filled by absolute idiots there's no need to go further then AsicMiner sale threads.

People buying AM blades aren't necessarily as dumb as you think they are. The blades are an asset like any other, and the biggest part of profiting from bitcoin assets is timing.

When did you buy? How much did you make while you held? What did you sell for?

Add those up and a blade owner can actually come out on top, even with difficulty rises.

True, there seems to be no shortage of greater fools that will buy used ASIC mining hardware at inflated prices. Heck, even the USB miners are selling for between $300-400 on Ebay, so it seems like there are plenty of folks that are not very good at basic math and would be happy to buy ASIC mining hardware for more than it will earn in BTC.

Folks that bought blades at 50 BTC when they were announced on May 13th did a lot better than the folks who bought them at the same price a month later.

Hint: It pays to buy as soon as a product is announced assuming it is ready to ship because everyday you wait your ROI goes down. I am anxiously awaiting the ASICMiner announcement on their upgraded Blades and pricing. I hope increased competition from Avalon bulk chip sales will push the price of ASIC mining hardware down to reasonable levels in the near future.

[seleme]

Correct, if he doesn't lower the price (or dramatically increase the performance), then effectively you'd be pouring money into a losing proposition.

Can't see anything new there--- whoever ever bought any AsicMiner mining product poured money into losing proposition. Well,except AsicMiner shills who faked first blade auction to pump it's retail price and with that the AM share they have.

Can't say I feel sorry for them though I do admire them. You have to be seriously talented dumbass to get caught in AsicMiner's community robbery - like some 150$ profit margin on USBs (each of thousands of sold ones) while buyers won't sniff ROI ever.

If there's one proof that bitcoin community is filled by absolute idiots there's no need to go further then AsicMiner sale threads.

People buying AM blades aren't necessarily as dumb as you think they are. The blades are an asset like any other, and the biggest part of profiting from bitcoin assets is timing.

When did you buy? How much did you make while you held? What did you sell for?

Add those up and a blade owner can actually come out on top, even with difficulty rises.

Timing is barely important when it's very hard to meet ROI no matter when you bought it. And even if you do you'll need so much time to do it that you could double those coins trading them.

ASIC investments should be high profit ones like Avalon 1 was, it's risky investment and potential award should be big too, not something you have to fear for months or more if you would ever recover what you invested. It's only AsicMiner and it's shareholders who made significant profit on AM hardware sales, suckers who bought at any time are certainly not in that group.

There's no niche on this planet where final product that is supposed to make money to final user makes dozen(s) time less money (or not at all) to that final user than it makes to ones who sell the product. So yeah, people who are buying AsicMiner products are dumb, very dumb. They're filling AM's pockets with huge amounts of money while investing significant amounts of money in something that might bring them very small profit or none at all.

I know AM shareholders don't like me or anyone else saying this so clearly as AM is second coming for them but I couldn't care less about that.

[ThickAsThieves]

Correct, if he doesn't lower the price (or dramatically increase the performance), then effectively you'd be pouring money into a losing proposition.

Can't see anything new there--- whoever ever bought any AsicMiner mining product poured money into losing proposition. Well,except AsicMiner shills who faked first blade auction to pump it's retail price and with that the AM share they have.

Can't say I feel sorry for them though I do admire them. You have to be seriously talented dumbass to get caught in AsicMiner's community robbery - like some 150$ profit margin on USBs (each of thousands of sold ones) while buyers won't sniff ROI ever.

If there's one proof that bitcoin community is filled by absolute idiots there's no need to go further then AsicMiner sale threads.

People buying AM blades aren't necessarily as dumb as you think they are. The blades are an asset like any other, and the biggest part of profiting from bitcoin assets is timing.

When did you buy? How much did you make while you held? What did you sell for?

Add those up and a blade owner can actually come out on top, even with difficulty rises.

Timing is barely important when it's very hard to meet ROI no matter when you bought it. And even if you do you'll need so much time to do it that you could double those coins trading them.

ASIC investments should be high profit ones like Avalon 1 was, it's risky investment and potential award should be big too, not something you have to fear for months or more if you would ever recover what you invested. It's only AsicMiner and it's shareholders who made significant profit on AM hardware sales, suckers who bought at any time are certainly not in that group.

There's no niche on this planet where final product that is supposed to make money to final user makes dozen(s) time less money (or not at all) to that final user than it makes to ones who sell the product. So yeah, people who are buying AsicMiner products are dumb, very dumb. They're filling AM's pockets with huge amounts of money while investing significant amounts of money in something that might bring them very small profit or none at all.

I know AM shareholders don't like me or anyone else saying this so clearly as AM is second coming for them but I couldn't care less about that.

You are speaking your perspective and opinion as absolute, but these things are not for any one person decide. This is a marketplace, and any item is worth exactly what any buyer is willing to pay for it. Simple as that.

[seleme]

They can pay 300 BTC as far as I'm concerned but that doesn't make them less dumb.

The point is that AM is a company that is full equivalent of all those real world corporations that many people from bitcoin community apparently hate and who are the part of a reason why they are involved with cryptostuff.

AsicMiner doesn't give a shit about cryptocommunity, network etc, etc.. all they care is to milk most $$ out of it. I'm not sure who I hate more BFL or them. BFL is obviously worse but they're less hypocrites than lovely friedcat and his army of shareholding shills. And those that let them to rob them while launching their beautiful asic smiles are biggest idiots in that story.

[pikeadz]

They can pay 300 BTC as far as I'm concerned but that doesn't make them less dumb.

The point is that AM is a company that is full equivalent of all those real world corporations that many people from bitcoin community apparently hate and who are the part of a reason why they are involved with cryptostuff.

AsicMiner doesn't give a shit about cryptocommunity, network etc, etc.. all they care is to milk most $$ out of it. I'm not sure who I hate more BFL or them. BFL is obviously worse but they're less hypocrites than lovely friedcat and his army of shareholding shills. And those that let them to rob them while launching their beautiful asic smiles are biggest idiots in that story.

Okay, we get it.  You hate Asicminer and BFL.  Does it matter to anyone but yourself?  If yes, go write your congressmen, file a strongly-worded BBB complaint, or hold hands with each other.  If not, STFU.

[seleme]

They can pay 300 BTC as far as I'm concerned but that doesn't make them less dumb.

The point is that AM is a company that is full equivalent of all those real world corporations that many people from bitcoin community apparently hate and who are the part of a reason why they are involved with cryptostuff.

AsicMiner doesn't give a shit about cryptocommunity, network etc, etc.. all they care is to milk most $$ out of it. I'm not sure who I hate more BFL or them. BFL is obviously worse but they're less hypocrites than lovely friedcat and his army of shareholding shills. And those that let them to rob them while launching their beautiful asic smiles are biggest idiots in that story.

Okay, we get it.  You hate Asicminer and BFL.  Does it matter to anyone but yourself?  If yes, go write your congressmen, file a strongly-worded BBB complaint, or hold hands with each other.  If not, STFU.

No, I won't shut the fuck up, I'll call such a twattish and hypocrite company as long as I can type.. what can you do with that?

[pikeadz]

They can pay 300 BTC as far as I'm concerned but that doesn't make them less dumb.

The point is that AM is a company that is full equivalent of all those real world corporations that many people from bitcoin community apparently hate and who are the part of a reason why they are involved with cryptostuff.

AsicMiner doesn't give a shit about cryptocommunity, network etc, etc.. all they care is to milk most $$ out of it. I'm not sure who I hate more BFL or them. BFL is obviously worse but they're less hypocrites than lovely friedcat and his army of shareholding shills. And those that let them to rob them while launching their beautiful asic smiles are biggest idiots in that story.

Okay, we get it.  You hate Asicminer and BFL.  Does it matter to anyone but yourself?  If yes, go write your congressmen, file a strongly-worded BBB complaint, or hold hands with each other.  If not, STFU.

No, I won't shut the fuck up, I'll call such a twattish and hypocrite company as long as I can type.. what can you do with that?

Your english is somewhat broken.  Did you mean to ask: "What are you going to do about that?"  If so:  Ignored.  Another whiner bites the dust.

[kendog77]

Many ASICs buyers subscribe to the greater fool theory. Even if they pay too much, they expect to be able to mine for a couple weeks and then resell the hardware for what they paid for it or more.

In the past this worked well because there was no shortage of greater fools waiting to jump on the ASICs train, but buyers are starting to get smarter about their ASICs purchases by scoffing at some of the recent overpriced offerings.

I don't blame ASICMiner for capitalizing on the ASICs craze. In fact, they appear to be a very well run company that is good at maximizing profits as their competition stumbles along. They couldn't capture 25% of the Bitcoin network if they had competent competition. If their shares weren't so expensive at the moment, I would buy some.

[seleme]

They can pay 300 BTC as far as I'm concerned but that doesn't make them less dumb.

The point is that AM is a company that is full equivalent of all those real world corporations that many people from bitcoin community apparently hate and who are the part of a reason why they are involved with cryptostuff.

AsicMiner doesn't give a shit about cryptocommunity, network etc, etc.. all they care is to milk most $$ out of it. I'm not sure who I hate more BFL or them. BFL is obviously worse but they're less hypocrites than lovely friedcat and his army of shareholding shills. And those that let them to rob them while launching their beautiful asic smiles are biggest idiots in that story.

Okay, we get it.  You hate Asicminer and BFL.  Does it matter to anyone but yourself?  If yes, go write your congressmen, file a strongly-worded BBB complaint, or hold hands with each other.  If not, STFU.

No, I won't shut the fuck up, I'll call such a twattish and hypocrite company as long as I can type.. what can you do with that?

Your english is somewhat broken.  Did you mean to ask: "What are you going to do about that?"  If so:  Ignored.  Another whiner bites the dust.

My English is not important at all though it's all you AM shills can get about as you know I'm speaking the truth and you're all assholes  

I don't blame ASICMiner for capitalizing on the ASICs craze.

Neither do I, at least not too much... if they played fair it's their right to price their products as they want. what I do care and that's the reason why I regularly bash them is because they are hypocrites and kind of organized mafia organization. The way they did shill stuff in their first blade auction to "find out it's market price" would be crime anywhere out of bitcoin world and someone would be visited by police. It was so obvious organized event to artificially pump the price of their product so the share price could go up it's untrue.

[kendog77]

They can pay 300 BTC as far as I'm concerned but that doesn't make them less dumb.

The point is that AM is a company that is full equivalent of all those real world corporations that many people from bitcoin community apparently hate and who are the part of a reason why they are involved with cryptostuff.

AsicMiner doesn't give a shit about cryptocommunity, network etc, etc.. all they care is to milk most $$ out of it. I'm not sure who I hate more BFL or them. BFL is obviously worse but they're less hypocrites than lovely friedcat and his army of shareholding shills. And those that let them to rob them while launching their beautiful asic smiles are biggest idiots in that story.

Okay, we get it.  You hate Asicminer and BFL.  Does it matter to anyone but yourself?  If yes, go write your congressmen, file a strongly-worded BBB complaint, or hold hands with each other.  If not, STFU.

No, I won't shut the fuck up, I'll call such a twattish and hypocrite company as long as I can type.. what can you do with that?

Your english is somewhat broken.  Did you mean to ask: "What are you going to do about that?"  If so:  Ignored.  Another whiner bites the dust.

My English is not important at all though it's all you AM shills can get about as you know I'm speaking the truth and you're all assholes  

I don't blame ASICMiner for capitalizing on the ASICs craze.

Neither do I, at least not too much... if they played fair it's their right to price their products as they want. what I do care and that's the reason why I regularly bash them is because they are hypocrites and kind of organized mafia organization. The way they did shill stuff in their first blade auction to "find out it's market price" would be crime anywhere out of bitcoin world and someone would be visited by police. It was so obvious organized event to artificially pump the price of their product so the share price could go up it's untrue.

The only thing that will stop their behavior is competition. ASICMiner is acting perfectly rationale in the current market, so until BFL, Avalon, KncMiner, BitFury, or some other company gets their act together and starts delivering competitive products in a timely fashion expect the ASIC hardware price gouging to continue.

[dogie]

Still buying and selling blades. PM me for details, lots of transactions completed.

[one4many]

Still buying and selling blades. PM me for details, lots of transactions completed.

What is your current price for selling one?

[dragonus]

Hello Friedcat,

the winter is coming...

I've still need another asicminer for "heating" purposes

[jimmy3dita]

The cat came back?

[rammy2k2]

The cat came back?

nope

[SwissMiner]

What is your current price for selling one?

.. take a look at EBay ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bitcoin-Miner-Block-Erupter-Blade-up-to-13-3-GH-s-NO-USB-BFL-Ready-to-Ship-/300920455587?pt=CPUs&hash=item461041c1a3

[twitami1]

They are not selling at that price though. A few been relisted a bunch of times.

[rammy2k2]

What is your current price for selling one?

.. take a look at EBay ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bitcoin-Miner-Block-Erupter-Blade-up-to-13-3-GH-s-NO-USB-BFL-Ready-to-Ship-/300920455587?pt=CPUs&hash=item461041c1a3

"Block Erupter Blade up to 13,3 GH/s "

we all know thats a lie 

[threedrules]

yeah well its the same what shop do, up to 70 percent discount 

[sikman]

since the USB version price has halved from 2btc to 1btc, what is the pricing for the new batch of blades??

[Xian01]

since the USB version price has halved from 2btc to 1btc, what is the pricing for the new batch of blades??

Nothing has been announced yet.

[Bitoy]

Waiting for a 50% price reduction similar to USB block erupter 

[muyuu]

Waiting for a 50% price reduction similar to USB block erupter 

I'd expect a ~15% price reduction and a 5-10% hashing efficiency increase. Something around a 20-30% improvement on value, to match the difficulty increases.

50% would probably be too much when the competition isn't quite delivering yet.

[DutchBrat]

Waiting for a 50% price reduction similar to USB block erupter 

I'd expect a ~15% price reduction and a 5-10% hashing efficiency increase. Something around a 20-30% improvement on value, to match the difficulty increases.

50% would probably be too much when the competition isn't quite delivering yet.

It seems that BFL has delivered some ASIC Minirigs (500 GH per rig), so albeit slowly and long overdue, the competition is starting to deliver....

[bobboooiie]

Waiting for a 50% price reduction similar to USB block erupter 

I'd expect a ~15% price reduction and a 5-10% hashing efficiency increase. Something around a 20-30% improvement on value, to match the difficulty increases.

50% would probably be too much when the competition isn't quite delivering yet.

It seems that BFL has delivered some ASIC Minirigs (500 GH per rig), so albeit slowly and long overdue, the competition is starting to deliver....

Gosh this is beyond me... they deliver ONE minirig tell customer to spread the hype and people eat that shit as "they are starting to deliver" ?

[pitan]

Waiting for a 50% price reduction similar to USB block erupter 

I'd expect a ~15% price reduction and a 5-10% hashing efficiency increase. Something around a 20-30% improvement on value, to match the difficulty increases.

50% would probably be too much when the competition isn't quite delivering yet.

It seems that BFL has delivered some ASIC Minirigs (500 GH per rig), so albeit slowly and long overdue, the competition is starting to deliver....

Gosh this is beyond me... they deliver ONE minirig tell customer to spread the hype and people eat that shit as "they are starting to deliver" ?

Ya you really wonder, when did "ONE" become start shipping

[DutchBrat]

They shipped 4 X 500Gh boxes, 2 Th worth.... the equivalent of 150 ASICminer blades.... so like it or not, that qualifies as very very late shipping

[Mabsark]

Waiting for a 50% price reduction similar to USB block erupter 

I'd expect a ~15% price reduction and a 5-10% hashing efficiency increase. Something around a 20-30% improvement on value, to match the difficulty increases.

50% would probably be too much when the competition isn't quite delivering yet.

It seems that BFL has delivered some ASIC Minirigs (500 GH per rig), so albeit slowly and long overdue, the competition is starting to deliver....

Gosh this is beyond me... they deliver ONE minirig tell customer to spread the hype and people eat that shit as "they are starting to deliver" ?

They've actually shipped 5 Minirigs.

[muyuu]

ASICMiner is the only game in town if you want to buy today and get your ASIC as quick as DHL can deliver it.

They could charge 40BTC for the same blades and they would sell like hotcakes.

[AM4Bitcoin]

ASICMiner is the only game in town if you want to buy today and get your ASIC as quick as DHL can deliver it.

They could charge 40BTC for the same blades and they would sell like hotcakes.

Bullshit. Since the difficulty is rising so fast the demand has dropped or do you think friedcat is reducing the price just for fun.

[SilentSonicBoom]

My guess is 25 btc or slightly less in the next 10 days per blade.

[Bitcoinorama]

At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.

[-Redacted-]

ASICMiner is the only game in town if you want to buy today and get your ASIC as quick as DHL can deliver it.

They could charge 40BTC for the same blades and they would sell like hotcakes.

Bullshit. Since the difficulty is rising so fast the demand has dropped or do you think friedcat is reducing the price just for fun.

What makes you think Friedcat is going to reduce the price of blades?  I don't see it happening.

[kendog77]

The blades are temporarily out of stock.

Please wait till late June to early July for newer blades with improved design and better price.

ASICMiner is the only game in town if you want to buy today and get your ASIC as quick as DHL can deliver it.

They could charge 40BTC for the same blades and they would sell like hotcakes.

Bullshit. Since the difficulty is rising so fast the demand has dropped or do you think friedcat is reducing the price just for fun.

What makes you think Friedcat is going to reduce the price of blades?  I don't see it happening.

The fact that friedcat said he was going to reduce the price of blades in this very thread. 

[josh_nc]

I'm selling my 2 blades on ebay: 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111106667683&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123

J/

[kendog77]

I'm selling my 2 blades on ebay:  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111106667683&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123

J/

So you're trying to dump your blades on some unsuspecting suckers right before ASICMiner cuts the price in half.

[-Redacted-]

Where are people getting this strange idea that he's planning to cut the price of blades?

[CoinHoarder]

Where are people getting this strange idea that he's cutting the price of blades?

Maybe everyone is (understandably) just assuming this?

I have a little insider info I will share though:

Friedcat confirmed with me VIA PM that blades will receive a similar price cut to that of the USBs.

[Bitcoinorama]

Where are people getting this strange idea that he's cutting the price of blades?

Maybe everyone is (understandably) just assuming this?

I have a little insider info I will share though:

Friedcat confirmed with me VIA PM that blades will receive a similar price cut to that of the USBs.

F**k me, don't either of you read a couple of posts ahead of typing your own and posting?!

[CoinHoarder]

Where are people getting this strange idea that he's cutting the price of blades?

Maybe everyone is (understandably) just assuming this?

I have a little insider info I will share though:

Friedcat confirmed with me VIA PM that blades will receive a similar price cut to that of the USBs.

F**k me, don't either of you read a couple of posts ahead of typing your own and posting?!

No... any other stupid questions? 

[josh_nc]

I'm selling my 2 blades on ebay:  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111106667683&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123

J/

So you're trying to dump your blades on some unsuspecting suckers right before ASICMiner cuts the price in half.

I need capital to continue investing in newer blades. I bought an Avalon and ordered a Jupiter. There is no point keeping the blades. Someone may still get some good use out of them. People who are still mining with FPGAs for example may want to get into ASICS.

Blades are still way better than usb asicminers.

I just lowered the starting and buy it now prices.

Free delivery anywhere in US plus I am throwing in 2 powerful & long lasting fans. Blades never more than warm to the touch. Currently making 0.10 btc every 4 hours on 50btc.com pool (1 worker for both blades at difficulty 16 via python proxy).

J/

[Bitcoinorama]

I'm selling my 2 blades on ebay:  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111106667683&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123

J/

So you're trying to dump your blades on some unsuspecting suckers right before ASICMiner cuts the price in half.

I need capital to continue investing in newer blades. I bought an Avalon and ordered a Jupiter. There is no point keeping the blades. Someone may still get some good use out of them. People who are still mining with FPGAs for example may want to get into ASICS.

Blades are still way better than usb asicminers.

J/

How? The price has dropped for the USB crap, they are now $333 a gh/s, where as blades were $500 per gh/s at the very minimum.

[josh_nc]

I'm selling my 2 blades on ebay:  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111106667683&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123

J/

So you're trying to dump your blades on some unsuspecting suckers right before ASICMiner cuts the price in half.

I need capital to continue investing in newer blades. I bought an Avalon and ordered a Jupiter. There is no point keeping the blades. Someone may still get some good use out of them. People who are still mining with FPGAs for example may want to get into ASICS.

Blades are still way better than usb asicminers.

J/

How? The price has dropped for the USB crap, they are now $333 a gh/s, where as blades were $500 per gh/s at the very minimum.

Perhaps I should shave off some 35%. I am going to wait a couple of days. I was only looking at current eBay asking prices for other blades and didn't take into account the current $/GHash.

Thanks for the info.

J/

[muyuu]

Friedcat is doing exactly what it should, retiring blades temporarily before a revision in HW and price, not to screw too much the latest people to buy before the update.

But you guys can rest assured there's demand, as there have been people selling their blades 2nd hand in the meantime, despite the announcement, with minimum price reductions (and in some cases even at a profit).

So yeah, just wait and see.

Sorry if you're too poor to buy.

[josh_nc]

Friedcat is doing exactly what it should, retiring blades temporarily before a revision in HW and price, not to screw too much the latest people to buy before the update.

But you guys can rest assured there's demand, as there have been people selling their blades 2nd hand in the meantime, despite the announcement, with minimum price reductions (and in some cases even at a profit).

So yeah, just wait and see.

Sorry if you're too poor to buy.

I got in too late for the "big bucks". I have a plan which I hope will work in the long run but right now, yes, I need $$$ to continue investing in mining gear or I just won't make it. Not sure small miners will ever make it in expensive countries... do your math.

[iCEBREAKER]

There are 9 AM Blades available on BitMit for BTC38.99 each:

https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/35917-asicminer-13-gh-s-block-erupter-blade-in-stock-at-wtcr-ca/?ref=2987

The seller has good feedback (from the 9 Blades he's already sold) and is using escrow.  Seems legit!   

[nikycoin]

What do you expect the new price
On blades will be ? 25-30 btc ?

[lithiumfinn]

I'm betting on BTC25.

[Xian01]

I'm betting on BTC25.

That is certainly a reasonable bet to make. However, I think we are in for a bit of a wait before Blades become available again. With the redesign taking place, my gut is telling me we don't see anything available for sale/shipping before mid August.

[PuertoLibre]

At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.

Possibly, possibly a little less than that.

[PuertoLibre]

Where are people getting this strange idea that he's cutting the price of blades?

Maybe everyone is (understandably) just assuming this?

I have a little insider info I will share though:

Friedcat confirmed with me VIA PM that blades will receive a similar price cut to that of the USBs.

25BTC is still WAY overpriced.

[nikycoin]

At 10 btc or less i might be able to buy a couple
! Hehe

[Bitcoinorama]

Greed dictates it will be BTC25...and will be the last time you see those 25 coins with 10gh/s.

[PuertoLibre]

Greed dictates it will be BTC25...and will be the last time you see those 25 coins with 10gh/s.

Your right, if priced by greed, it will be much higher than it should be.

25 BTC sounds about "greedy" enough. (also sounds unprofitable enough!)

Question, Avalons are now being overclocked to 100GH/s.

If people are willing to pay 50 BTC for 10Gh/s. Are people willing to buy overclockable Avalons at 10x that? (500BTC?)

If not, why?

[pikeadz]

Greed dictates it will be BTC25...and will be the last time you see those 25 coins with 10gh/s.

Your right, if priced by greed, it will be much higher than it should be.

25 BTC sounds about "greedy" enough. (also sounds unprofitable enough!)

Question, Avalons are now being overclocked to 100GH/s.

If people are willing to pay 50 BTC for 10Gh/s. Are people willing to buy overclockable Avalons at 10x that? (500BTC?)

If not, why?

I don't know anyone who runs their blades at 10Gh/s.  They are 12,500Gh/s overclocked, with the push of a button, and stable.  So if you're comparing apples to apples, you would compare overclocked ASIC to overclocked ASIC. 

50BTC -> 12.5Gh/s
x BTC -> 100Gh/s

x = 400 BTC, but that will never happen unless people have portable air conditioners handy that they can aim at their Avalons.  In reality, 85Gh/s is a more reasonable rate for a 3 module Avalon.  Using the same maths as above, the target price would be 340 BTC.

But we all know blades aren't selling for 50 BTC anymore.  They don't even sell for 40.  I think a reasonable price for a blade today is about 30 BTC.  So again, using above math, a reasonable price for an Avalon would be

30 BTC -> 12.5Gh/s
x BTC - > 85Gh/s

x = 204 BTC.  Still, twice as much as they are going for currently.

[PuertoLibre]

But we all know blades aren't selling for 50 BTC anymore.  They don't even sell for 40.  I think a reasonable price for a blade today is about 30 BTC.  So again, using above math, a reasonable price for an Avalon would be

30 BTC -> 12.5Gh/s
x BTC - > 85Gh/s

x = 204 BTC.  Still, twice as much as they are going for currently.

Half as much is the fair price?

Sounds like you are telling us that an Avalon at 100BTC is quite the sweet deal vs an ASICMiner Blade.

I have read that Avalon will soon catch up and have units for order. (not pre-order)

So it makes more sense to buy a stock Avalon than it does an ASICMiner blade.

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If the ASICMiner blades go on sale again for much less (say 10BTC) it would be in line with the proportions that you mentioned.

It sounds like FriedCat has a few arrows pointing in a certain price direction.

[muyuu]

Greed dictates it will be BTC25...and will be the last time you see those 25 coins with 10gh/s.

About 35BTC for 15GH/s OC or so.

[nubbins]

I'm fine with throwing away single BTCs on toys, but once you get into double-digits, it's less of an impulse buy.

I'd purchase a blade at <BTC20, but that's the upper limit.

[Rampion]

At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.

Possibly, possibly a little less than that.

Agreed, if he priced them at 9BTC he would sell A LOT of them, resellers would do big orders. But I have the gut feeling he will give it a try at 20/25BTC, maybe he prefers to sell 300 at 25BTC than 1,000 at 9BTC

[muyuu]

I'm fine with throwing away single BTCs on toys, but once you get into double-digits, it's less of an impulse buy.

I'd purchase a blade at <BTC20, but that's the upper limit.

Don't lose sleep, there will be plenty of takers.

[PuertoLibre]

I'm fine with throwing away single BTCs on toys, but once you get into double-digits, it's less of an impulse buy.

I'd purchase a blade at <BTC20, but that's the upper limit.

Don't lose sleep, there will be plenty of takers.

Suckers...is probably what you mean.

[-Redacted-]

At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.

Possibly, possibly a little less than that.

Agreed, if he priced them at 9BTC he would sell A LOT of them, resellers would do big orders. But I have the gut feeling he will give it a try at 20/25BTC, maybe he prefers to sell 300 at 25BTC than 1,000 at 9BTC

I think the numbers you mean are 60,000 at 25BTC instead of 100,000 at 9BTC.    You do the math....

[josh_nc]

Aren't you all forgetting a "little" detail in all of this price calculation? Asicminer mine! They sell shares of their mining. The devil is in the details...
Up to you now to connect the dots.

[ThickAsThieves]

Aren't you all forgetting a "little" detail in all of this price calculation? Asicminer mine! They sell shares of their mining. The devil is in the details...
Up to you now to connect the dots.

The only thing ASICMINER sells is hardware.

[kendog77]

Aren't you all forgetting a "little" detail in all of this price calculation? Asicminer mine! They sell shares of their mining. The devil is in the details...
Up to you now to connect the dots.

The only thing ASICMINER sells is hardware.

Right, but if they sell too much ASIC mining hardware, they will cut into their own mining revenue. That alone is enough for them to keep the price of blades high.

[seleme]

There is only one thing you can bet with AM if you are considering buying their products. You're going to be scared to death f ever making profit with any of those while AM will make a killing on any of those. If you hope for something different you're deluded.

[Wesly]

Right, but if they sell too much ASIC mining hardware, they will cut into their own mining revenue. That alone is enough for them to keep the price of blades high.

Actually it is the complete opposite.  Why would ASICminer brother with the logistic (setup, pay for power/space/maintenance) to mine themselves if they can receive instant 1-2 years worth of bitcoin mining profit from people who can't do or don't care about math?  In another words, why would anybody in their right mind turn down collecting 1-2 years worth of salary in advance today?  Especially when you tells them in 1-2 years you will either be out of a job or your salary will be 1% of what you will be earning today for doing the same task (The current generation of ASIC useful life ends when difficulty increase 100 times in 1-2 years)?

[josh_nc]

Right, but if they sell too much ASIC mining hardware, they will cut into their own mining revenue. That alone is enough for them to keep the price of blades high.

Actually it is the complete opposite.  Why would ASICminer brother with the logistic (setup, pay for power/space/maintenance) to mine themselves if they can receive instant 1-2 years worth of bitcoin mining profit from people who can't do or don't care about math?  In another words, why would anybody in their right mind turn down collecting 1-2 years worth of salary in advance today?  Especially when you tells them in 1-2 years you will either be out of a job or your salary will be 1% of what you will be earning today for doing the same task (The current generation of ASIC useful life ends when difficulty increase 100 times in 1-2 years)?

Wesly, you should like Esher.

[ThickAsThieves]

Right, but if they sell too much ASIC mining hardware, they will cut into their own mining revenue. That alone is enough for them to keep the price of blades high.

Actually it is the complete opposite.  Why would ASICminer brother with the logistic (setup, pay for power/space/maintenance) to mine themselves if they can receive instant 1-2 years worth of bitcoin mining profit from people who can't do or don't care about math?  In another words, why would anybody in their right mind turn down collecting 1-2 years worth of salary in advance today?  Especially when you tells them in 1-2 years you will either be out of a job or your salary will be 1% of what you will be earning today for doing the same task (The current generation of ASIC useful life ends when difficulty increase 100 times in 1-2 years)?

There is a logical answer to all of this.

1. ASICMINER's farm acts as security for the network, it quite literally insures their hardware sales business by being as big or bigger than any other threat.
2. In much the same way, as AM increases the size of their farm, they increase demand on their hardware sales due to rising difficulty. A dangling carrot.
3. The farm provides predictable revenue, something hardware sales may not always provide.

[kendog77]

Right, but if they sell too much ASIC mining hardware, they will cut into their own mining revenue. That alone is enough for them to keep the price of blades high.

Actually it is the complete opposite.  Why would ASICminer brother with the logistic (setup, pay for power/space/maintenance) to mine themselves if they can receive instant 1-2 years worth of bitcoin mining profit from people who can't do or don't care about math?  In another words, why would anybody in their right mind turn down collecting 1-2 years worth of salary in advance today?  Especially when you tells them in 1-2 years you will either be out of a job or your salary will be 1% of what you will be earning today for doing the same task (The current generation of ASIC useful life ends when difficulty increase 100 times in 1-2 years)?

Most normal manufacturers would price items to maximize the profit associated with selling the product. My point was that ASICMiner has zero incentive to price blades low enough that they sell like hotcakes because bulk sales would cut into their mining revenue too much.

For example, I suspect that ASICMiner would sell a lot more blades (and make more total profit) at 10 BTC than they would at 25 BTC, but they will likely price them at 25 BTC and simply sell less of them.

[Rampion]

At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.

Possibly, possibly a little less than that.

Agreed, if he priced them at 9BTC he would sell A LOT of them, resellers would do big orders. But I have the gut feeling he will give it a try at 20/25BTC, maybe he prefers to sell 300 at 25BTC than 1,000 at 9BTC

I think the numbers you mean are 60,000 at 25BTC instead of 100,000 at 9BTC.    You do the math....

No, i dont mean those useless numbers. They didn't sell a thousand blades at 50BTC, they won't be selling 60,000 at 25BTC. And the correlation you made between demand at 25BTC and demand at 9BTC is ridiculous. 9BTC is a price ANY miner would pay. 25BTC is a price that would be paid only by i) someone that doesn't care about ROI, ii) someone clueless or iii) someone looking for the greater fool to which resell the blade.

And before spitting nonsense numbers like "60,000 or 100,000" blades sold you do the math about what would that represent in terms of network hash rate and maybe you will realize how far from the reality are those numbers.

[scyth3]

Aren't you all forgetting a "little" detail in all of this price calculation? Asicminer mine! They sell shares of their mining. The devil is in the details...
Up to you now to connect the dots.

This is called conflict of interest, that is why their hardware will never ROI.

[twitami1]

Aren't you all forgetting a "little" detail in all of this price calculation? Asicminer mine! They sell shares of their mining. The devil is in the details...
Up to you now to connect the dots.

This is called conflict of interest, that is why their hardware will never ROI.

No, it's called smart business.

[scyth3]

Aren't you all forgetting a "little" detail in all of this price calculation? Asicminer mine! They sell shares of their mining. The devil is in the details...
Up to you now to connect the dots.

This is called conflict of interest, that is why their hardware will never ROI.

No, it's called smart business.

Never said what they are doing isn't smart. Just don't expect ROI if you are mining with their equipment.

[-Redacted-]

At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.

Possibly, possibly a little less than that.

Agreed, if he priced them at 9BTC he would sell A LOT of them, resellers would do big orders. But I have the gut feeling he will give it a try at 20/25BTC, maybe he prefers to sell 300 at 25BTC than 1,000 at 9BTC

I think the numbers you mean are 60,000 at 25BTC instead of 100,000 at 9BTC.    You do the math....

No, i dont mean those useless numbers. They didn't sell a thousand blades at 50BTC, they won't be selling 60,000 at 25BTC. And the correlation you made between demand at 25BTC and demand at 9BTC is ridiculous. 9BTC is a price ANY miner would pay. 25BTC is a price that would be paid only by i) someone that doesn't care about ROI, ii) someone clueless or iii) someone looking for the greater fool to which resell the blade.

And before spitting nonsense numbers like "60,000 or 100,000" blades sold you do the math about what would that represent in terms of network hash rate and maybe you will realize how far from the reality are those numbers.

The point was simply to show that I can also pull numbers out of my ass  - numbers that compute differently than the numbers you pull out of yours.  Until you have insider information about ASCIMiner's sales numbers and profit margins - and we find out what the new pricing is - anything and everything is just speculation, nothing more.  Your made up numbers don't prove anything different than mine do.  

ASCIMiner/FriedCat is not stupid - he knows what he's doing and works to maximize his own profit - whether or not buyers can make some ROI isn't relevant from his end.

[Amph]

10 is the correct price, equal to 1 month ROI
1 month ROI is the key for everything

[Xian01]

1 month ROI is the key for everything

 In which reality ? This is not traditionally how investments work.

[Amph]

and why?
obv less is better

[josh_nc]

A lot of funny people here LOL!!! I want to dive into the fun! Why don't we start betting?

I bet the new blades will go for ~ 35BTCs, with hashing slightly improved to 15Gh/s and a little better relative power consumption.
How's that for ma ass, y'all?

[ThickAsThieves]

I bet the new boards will be PCIe and cost 10btc

[chanberg]

I bet the new boards will be PCIe and cost 10btc

that be nice

[PuertoLibre]

At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.

Possibly, possibly a little less than that.

Agreed, if he priced them at 9BTC he would sell A LOT of them, resellers would do big orders. But I have the gut feeling he will give it a try at 20/25BTC, maybe he prefers to sell 300 at 25BTC than 1,000 at 9BTC

I think the numbers you mean are 60,000 at 25BTC instead of 100,000 at 9BTC.    You do the math....

No, i dont mean those useless numbers. They didn't sell a thousand blades at 50BTC, they won't be selling 60,000 at 25BTC. And the correlation you made between demand at 25BTC and demand at 9BTC is ridiculous. 9BTC is a price ANY miner would pay. 25BTC is a price that would be paid only by i) someone that doesn't care about ROI, ii) someone clueless or iii) someone looking for the greater fool to which resell the blade.

And before spitting nonsense numbers like "60,000 or 100,000" blades sold you do the math about what would that represent in terms of network hash rate and maybe you will realize how far from the reality are those numbers.

The point was simply to show that I can also pull numbers out of my ass  - numbers that compute differently than the numbers you pull out of yours.  Until you have insider information about ASCIMiner's sales numbers and profit margins - and we find out what the new pricing is - anything and everything is just speculation, nothing more.  Your made up numbers don't prove anything different than mine do.  

ASCIMiner/FriedCat is not stupid - he knows what he's doing and works to maximize his own profit - whether or not buyers can make some ROI isn't relevant from his end.

[-Redacted-]

You know, if the temperature of the pool bothers you, instead of bitching about it, you could just get out of the water... 

[rsbriggs]

You know, if the temperature of the pool bothers you, instead of bitching about it, you could just get out of the water... 

This.  +1000

[PuertoLibre]

You know, if the temperature of the pool bothers you, instead of bitching about it, you could just get out of the water...  

No thanks, I just tell the pool owner there is something wrong with the pool.

Then comment on it when getting into the pool so that innocent bystanders can all agree there is something wrong at this pool.

It is "change" in action!  

[Bitcoinorama]

You know, if the temperature of the pool bothers you, instead of bitching about it, you could just get out of the water...  

No thanks, I just tell the pool owner there is something wrong with the pool.

Then comment on it when getting into the pool so that innocent bystanders can all agree there is something wrong at this pool.

It is "change" in action!  

[Rampion]

At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.

Possibly, possibly a little less than that.

Agreed, if he priced them at 9BTC he would sell A LOT of them, resellers would do big orders. But I have the gut feeling he will give it a try at 20/25BTC, maybe he prefers to sell 300 at 25BTC than 1,000 at 9BTC

I think the numbers you mean are 60,000 at 25BTC instead of 100,000 at 9BTC.    You do the math....

No, i dont mean those useless numbers. They didn't sell a thousand blades at 50BTC, they won't be selling 60,000 at 25BTC. And the correlation you made between demand at 25BTC and demand at 9BTC is ridiculous. 9BTC is a price ANY miner would pay. 25BTC is a price that would be paid only by i) someone that doesn't care about ROI, ii) someone clueless or iii) someone looking for the greater fool to which resell the blade.

And before spitting nonsense numbers like "60,000 or 100,000" blades sold you do the math about what would that represent in terms of network hash rate and maybe you will realize how far from the reality are those numbers.

The point was simply to show that I can also pull numbers out of my ass  - numbers that compute differently than the numbers you pull out of yours.  Until you have insider information about ASCIMiner's sales numbers and profit margins - and we find out what the new pricing is - anything and everything is just speculation, nothing more.  Your made up numbers don't prove anything different than mine do.  

ASCIMiner/FriedCat is not stupid - he knows what he's doing and works to maximize his own profit - whether or not buyers can make some ROI isn't relevant from his end.

Sales numbers are not so difficult to figure out, this is a super small market and network hash rate is a pretty good indicator. You know for sure they are in the order of thousands.

Still selling the blades at a price that allows ROI would at least three-fold the demand for those (actually much more IMO), so my example is still valid. The point here is simply that for ASICMiner ATM is more profitable to have a limited supply of hardware sold at a high prize while they maximize their mining profits.

[josh_nc]

Oh, my goodness. I have one of those. Good job I never filled it up!

[Bitcoinorama]

I'm fed up reading about free-market bollocks.

Look at the end of the day, a deal is not a deal unless both parties get something worthwhile out of it, and ASICminer's deals are so one sided it's untrue.

Any discount as prices are 'slashed' (lol) are mitigated as all future profits become ASICminers whether they keep them and mine them, or sell them for all the coins they could potentially be mined for.

Aside ASICminer, anyone currently thinking they are getting anything out of these deals sums up a lot of the behaviour and lack of due diligence I have seen on this forum. Close to none.

Still if you get an emotional thrill from being so submissive, who am I to stop you, it's clearly a warped fetish...

[josh_nc]

ROI may not be a simple calculation of what you paid in BTC and how long to get your investment back in BTC. BTC is going to remain tied to fiat for some time and if all goes well it may reach a good fiat value in a few years. So, if you mine in a country where say, 4 BTCs pays all your living expenses for a month and you can save some BTCs for the long run then you may be able to make your fiat ROI although not your BTC ROI.  Right now it is a very risky investment and we should all be very aware of it. This is not like a gold mine like some may dream of. BTC mining is not for the faint of heart or those with high expectations. I expect many will lose a lot and exit very frustrated.

J/

[ThickAsThieves]

I'm fed up reading about free-market bollocks.

Look at the end of the day, a deal is not a deal unless both parties get something worthwhile out of it, and ASICminer's deals are so one sided it's untrue.

Any discount as prices are 'slashed' (lol) are mitigated as all future profits become ASICminers whether they keep them and mine them, or sell them for all the coins they could potentially be mined for.

Aside ASICminer, anyone currently thinking they are getting anything out of these deals sums up a lot of the behaviour and lack of due diligence I have seen on this forum. Close to none.

Still if you get an emotional thrill from being so submissive, who am I to stop you, it's clearly a warped fetish...

A deal is whatever 2 parties agree to deliver. There's no greater ideal of value required. The only time you truly get to decide if a deal is worthwhile is when you are a part of it.

[Rampion]

ROI may not be a simple calculation of what you paid in BTC and how long to get your investment back in BTC. BTC is going to remain tied to fiat for some time and if all goes well it may reach a good fiat value in a few years. So, if you mine in a country where say, 4 BTCs pays all your living expenses for a month and you can save some BTCs for the long run then you may be able to make your fiat ROI although not your BTC ROI.  Right now it is a very risky investment and we should all be very aware of it. This is not like a gold mine like some may dream of. BTC mining is not for the faint of heart or those with high expectations. I expect many will lose a lot and exit very frustrated.

J/

Really can't understand this logic, never could and never will.

If you think bitcoin may be worth something in the future then just buy and hold it for the long run, do not pay 50BTC to get 10ishBTC "in the long run"!

[keepinithamsta]

I personally wouldn't buy for anything more than 10BTC near the current rated hash rate of the blades.  Seems like the magic number to a lot of people.  If someone wants to spend 2-3x that, have at it.

[josh_nc]

ROI may not be a simple calculation of what you paid in BTC and how long to get your investment back in BTC. BTC is going to remain tied to fiat for some time and if all goes well it may reach a good fiat value in a few years. So, if you mine in a country where say, 4 BTCs pays all your living expenses for a month and you can save some BTCs for the long run then you may be able to make your fiat ROI although not your BTC ROI.  Right now it is a very risky investment and we should all be very aware of it. This is not like a gold mine like some may dream of. BTC mining is not for the faint of heart or those with high expectations. I expect many will lose a lot and exit very frustrated.

J/

Really can't understand this logic, never could and never will.

If you think bitcoin may be worth something in the future then just buy and hold it for the long run, do not pay 50BTC to get 10ishBTC "in the long run"!

Many people only buy and sell (see here: https://localbitcoins.com) and don't want anything to do with mining.

If you are into this then just buy and sell and you may be satisfied with it. It is very competitive and the current BTC price stagnation makes it harder to make a buck. I chose mining because I like it and it is more my style but the jury is still out whether it is profitable for the little guy at this point.

Like I mentioned before, if your living expenses are low in fiat then you may be OK. If you live somewhere expensive, high taxes, high costs of health ins, so on, like in the US, I believe you will be disappointed. In this case you can only make it work if it is something you do on the side and have a main source of income.

Someone once wrote that during the gold rush the people who made the most money were those selling pans and shovels. You may also want to buy mining rigs and sell them at a huge profit on eBay. That might also work.

J/

[-Redacted-]

I personally wouldn't buy for anything more than 10BTC near the current rated hash rate of the blades.  Seems like the magic number to a lot of people.  If someone wants to spend 2-3x that, have at it.

Obviously many people do want such things, since 5 Gh/s Jalepenos - in hand - are catching bids at the equivalent of between 22 and 25 BTC on eBay.  Not many Avalons moving for 250 BTC though....

(I personally won't wade around in the eBay swamp anymore after having been ripped off WAY too many times in the past.)

[pikeadz]

You may also want to buy mining rigs and sell them at a huge profit on eBay. That might also work.

This is actually a really bad idea.  Sellers are getting scammed on ebay with "significantly not as described" chargebacks and stolen credit cards.  Ebay is a great way to risk your entire investment to a scammer and put yourself at the whim and fancy of Paypal's subjective claims process.  No thanks.

[Bitcoinorama]

You may also want to buy mining rigs and sell them at a huge profit on eBay. That might also work.

This is actually a really bad idea.  Sellers are getting scammed on ebay with "significantly not as described" chargebacks and stolen credit cards.  Ebay is a great way to risk your entire investment to a scammer and put yourself at the whim and fancy of Paypal's subjective claims process.  No thanks.

PayPal does this as it's minimal risk to them, they just escrow the buyer's monies, they loose nothing this way, but still gain the cut of the buyer's fees. It's why sellers hate them. Buyer's still need to provide proof of re shipment as do sellers need to confirm they are happy with what they have received, though they get little choice.

[PuertoLibre]

I'm fed up reading about free-market bollocks.

Look at the end of the day, a deal is not a deal unless both parties get something worthwhile out of it, and ASICminer's deals are so one sided it's untrue.

Any discount as prices are 'slashed' (lol) are mitigated as all future profits become ASICminers whether they keep them and mine them, or sell them for all the coins they could potentially be mined for.

Aside ASICminer, anyone currently thinking they are getting anything out of these deals sums up a lot of the behaviour and lack of due diligence I have seen on this forum. Close to none.

Still if you get an emotional thrill from being so submissive, who am I to stop you, it's clearly a warped fetish...

A deal is whatever 2 parties agree to deliver. There's no greater ideal of value required. The only time you truly get to decide if a deal is worthwhile is when you are a part of it.

That is some heavy dose of mega bullshit.

Could you please not take a crap in the pool?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkOVbvIbmLs

[PuertoLibre]

I personally wouldn't buy for anything more than 10BTC near the current rated hash rate of the blades.  Seems like the magic number to a lot of people.  If someone wants to spend 2-3x that, have at it.

Obviously many people do want such things, since 5 Gh/s Jalepenos - in hand - are catching bids at the equivalent of between 22 and 25 BTC on eBay.  Not many Avalons moving for 250 BTC though....

Probably because a few people have reigned in that parade. (Me included)

ASICMiners party buzzkill has finally shown up in much the same way.

(I personally won't wade around in the eBay swamp anymore after having been ripped off WAY too many times in the past.)

Well, as long as no one from here <cough> is doing the same to rip someone else off.

You may also want to buy mining rigs and sell them at a huge profit on eBay. That might also work.

This is actually a really bad idea.  Sellers are getting scammed on ebay with "significantly not as described" chargebacks and stolen credit cards.  Ebay is a great way to risk your entire investment to a scammer and put yourself at the whim and fancy of Paypal's subjective claims process.  No thanks.

Some scammers are getting scammed themselves?

Sounds like the opposite of the greater fool...oh wait. Nevermind.

[nubbins]

Some scammers are getting scammed themselves?

Sounds like the opposite of the greater fool...oh wait. Nevermind.

Being the lesser wise doesn't seem as bad, somehow   

[lenny_]

Block Erupter Blade support for p2pool - Bounty
Current bounty: 5 BTC

I would like to make ASIC Block Erupter Blades 13GH/s working with p2pool. ASICs support for p2pool is very important for p2pool survival.
I am giving 5 BTC bounty for developer who will make them working on p2pool. Bounty will be paid to developer or split between group of developers who will contribute to solving the problem.
If you guys have BE Blades too, please let me know. I can arrange escrow via John K. (or I can collect funds directly, I am trusted forum member, please check my OTC), once we gather more funds maybe one of our developers will be interested to look closer to this problem.
I myself can donate my Blade worktime for a developer to make debug and testing, please let me know.
PM me if you a developer and you would like to get access to my BE Blade and to my Linux server for debug purposes. Please help:)
PM me if you a BE Blade user and you d'love to see your blades hashing on p2pool to - let's gather more BTC for our honest developers.

Updates to current bounty and progress here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.0
Regards
Lenny

[BigBitz]

Any news on the new models/stock?

[culexevilman]

Any news on the new models/stock?

nope...we are all waiting to jump the gun.

[muyuu]

Surely he's going to let the stockholders buy first 

[dogie]

If anyone wants to actually buy real, in hand hardware than PM me. Enough conjecture, enough preorders.

[SilentSonicBoom]

Any news on the new models/stock?

New stock mid July. New models, unknown.

[suprabitz]

You know Jalapenos are selling resale for $1500-2000 on ebay for 5.2-5.5gh/s and theres a mod to flash it up it to 8-9 gh/s. And that's because the jalas just hit the market. After another month or two the price will probably be closer to $1000-1200 as supply catches up.
If the mini blades aren't below 25BTC then it would be just as well to buy a Jalapeno, flash it and have 90% of a blade for half the price. Or wait a month and get 2 Jalas unflashed, for less.

[jerboa]

For anyone that needs some mounting solutions I am offering mounts for the blade and fans here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=249693.0

[SilentSonicBoom]

Bring on lower prices and the new mini blade please

[lenny_]

WTB BE Blade 13GH/s. If anyone have one for sale, please PM with your country and your price. Thanks.

[psjw4450]

I have a bunch of BE blades for sale at 38 btc if anyone is interested. 

[lenny_]

We're talking here about BE Blades, not USB sticks. Please do not spam with your group buy, if you please.

[notlist3d]

Is there a set date on release for sure?

[qurio]

I have a faulty ethernet module.
How to replace it under warranty?
Or maybe can I buy it? Maybe it would be faster?
How much would it cost?

[rammy2k2]

I have a faulty ethernet module.
How to replace it under warranty?
Or maybe can I buy it? Maybe it would be faster?
How much would it cost?

PM friedcat

[qurio]

I just did, thanks.

[sillywhim]

Block Erupter Blade support for p2pool - Bounty
Current bounty: 5 BTC

I would like to make ASIC Block Erupter Blades 13GH/s working with p2pool. ASICs support for p2pool is very important for p2pool survival.
I am giving 5 BTC bounty for developer who will make them working on p2pool. Bounty will be paid to developer or split between group of developers who will contribute to solving the problem.

BE Blades have no problem connecting to p2pools. But I guess you're referring to the +50% DOA rate? Hahaha.

baloo_kiev got a solution for us BE owners (I got 5 of these things) wanting to do a forked p2pool. But according to him, we need at least 100 blades to make for a decent variance. So a 1TB Hash rate apart from the standard p2pool. Good Luck.

For me, I just stick with Eligius and Itzod (no fees) with slush's stratum proxy.

[lenny_]

BE Blades have no problem connecting to p2pools. But I guess you're referring to the +50% DOA rate? Hahaha.

They have no problem connecting to p2pool, because we get it fixed. Before my bounty initiative, they wasn't mining at all.
We now waiting for a fork newshare (p2pool share every 30s), so BE Blade will do ~18% DOA. Sad, but true.

[CanaryInTheMine]

group buy setup: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=254739.0

[Xian01]

group buy setup: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=254739.0

I can appreciate you trying to drum up some business, but dude, your spamming in these threads is starting to get bothersome and irritating.

We don't have any idea when these are even shipping yet. Setting up a group buy right now is way premature.

[sillywhim]

BE Blades have no problem connecting to p2pools. But I guess you're referring to the +50% DOA rate? Hahaha.

They have no problem connecting to p2pool, because we get it fixed. Before my bounty initiative, they wasn't mining at all.
We now waiting for a fork newshare (p2pool share every 30s), so BE Blade will do ~18% DOA. Sad, but true.

I have 5 BE Blades. Why would I connect to p2pool with a 18% DOA (after the fork) for? For instance, with slush stratum proxy to ITZOD I am just getting a 0.2% rejection rate (diff 2 even.)

[pornluver]

WHen will the next one be in stock and for sell?

[BitAddict]

WHen will the next one be in stock and for sell?

They're currently pre-selling in China. I hope next week they open pre-orders to the rest of the world.

[WinTame2012]

Is there a thread dedicated to RMA of BE blades? The process, terms, shipping, customs etc. I mean.

[rammy2k2]

any news anywhere abt the new blades ?

[ryanb]

what is the difference between the old blades and the new ones?

[candoo]

what is the difference between the old blades and the new ones?

 USB Connection and no overclocking

[ryanb]

what is the difference between the old blades and the new ones?

 USB Connection and no overclocking

Thank you

[VolanicEruptor]

what is the difference between the old blades and the new ones?

 USB Connection and no overclocking

How do you know it will be USB for sure?