Substratum ICO - August 7-September 7 (Pre-Sale with Bonuses Available Now)

[operabit]

When we invested in SUB , we knew it a relatively long term hold project!
 It is just to naive to think that we all jumped in in a right time and the price just go to ATH all the time

Yes, it's better to go to the right time than to wait for long because it's long-term for it, while going into a project that is going to enter that long-term time before entering the SUB again.

[iotafrustration]

Im telling you guys, this thing is a total scam and its becoming more apparent as time goes on. The first alpha test they did bought them a direct shot up and then they failed to produce anything over and over like they promised and now they have simply released the first alpha video again except this time with a stupid fucking GUI that has a on and of switch and they refreshed a page.......The dude Justin is a convicted criminal and he has an excuse for this but we will never know until someone buys the police report, someone should really consider paying for that police report so we can fully expose these scammers.

https://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Justin_Tabb_3777463/

you can pay for the police report on this site. I really was interested by this project and was hoping for something more then a typical pump and dump scam but so far they have exhibited every last detail of scam coins.

[iotafrustration]

Someone that get arrested at the age of 20 and gets his life in order.. 15 years later does not make this man a scam artist due to his past.  The crime is irrelevant to what a where Sub is doing and where it is going.  This project is a great idea and if everything works out as according to the white paper and mass adoption occurs then sky is the limit.

[cvdesty]

This project is a great idea and if everything works out as according to the white paper and mass adoption occurs then sky is the limit.

I don't think anyone would object to it being a great idea. The problem, however, is the same with most ICOs: there is no product. An idea, no matter how great, isn't worth much to consumers without a product.

Where is the product?

[fromholland]

This project is a great idea and if everything works out as according to the white paper and mass adoption occurs then sky is the limit.

I don't think anyone would object to it being a great idea. The problem, however, is the same with most ICOs: there is no product. An idea, no matter how great, isn't worth much to consumers without a product.

Where is the product?

The biggest problem with people who have invested money into something, is patience.
Good things take time, so give it some time.

[cvdesty]

The biggest problem with people who have invested money into something, is patience.
Good things take time, so give it some time.

Yes; it is important to be patient. However, I believe this team has had more than enough time to make their product. Truth is, most ICOs are just money grabs, filled with empty promises. Hopefully, that won't be the case here. People need to be cautious when it comes to investing in ideas.

[fromholland]

The biggest problem with people who have invested money into something, is patience.
Good things take time, so give it some time.

I believe this team has had more than enough time to make their product.

Based on? Your own experience of how long it takes to build a decentralized internet??

[saupher]

I fully agree but if said person is lying and being shady about why they were arrested instead of just owning up to mistakes in the past, then it it reveals the kind of character they are and how that might influence the project right? 

[Brilliantrocket]

I Imagine if something similar happened to SUB, SHIFT fans would be dancing in the streets and rubbing it in our faces relentlessly

[cvdesty]

Based on? Your own experience of how long it takes to build a decentralized internet??

Wishful thinking isn't going to put money in your pocket.

[fromholland]

Based on? Your own experience of how long it takes to build a decentralized internet??

Wishful thinking isn't going to put money in your pocket.

Neither is talking trash without any proof.

[cvdesty]

Neither is talking trash without any proof.

Where is the product?

Until they have a product people can use, I stand by what I said about their performance.

Don't be so defensive. I am not attacking you; I am merely exercising my right to share an opinion about a company.

[fromholland]

Neither is talking trash without any proof.

Where is the product?

Until they have a product people can use, I stand by what I said about their performance.

Don't be so defensive. I am not attacking you; I am merely exercising my right to share an opinion about a company.

No you don't just giving your opinion. You're accusing some people / a company of scamming, without any proof. In my country, that's illegal.

[cvdesty]

No you don't just giving your opinion. You're accusing some people / a company of scamming, without any proof. In my country, that's illegal.

Where have I accused them of being a scam? I have done no such thing! I merely commented on an issue I see with their performance.  

You are making false accusations against me. So what does that make you?

[fromholland]

No you don't just giving your opinion. You're accusing some people / a company of scamming, without any proof. In my country, that's illegal.

Where have I accused them of being a scam? I have done no such thing! I merely commented on an issue I see with their performance.  

You are making false accusations against me. So what does that make you?

You're right, I mixed you up with saupher. My bad.

You're the guy that said "An idea, no matter how great, isn't worth much to consumers without a product."
Did you see Cardano with a market cap of $10 billion dollars? Or EOS at $6 billion dollars. Not worth much? 

[Sameffkakkare]

Are there news updates coming for this week?

[Samuelmins]

Is it still time to buy some sub or wait a little bit longer to see how the market goes ?

[F2b]

Is it still time to buy some sub or wait a little bit longer to see how the market goes ?

Interessant question... In my opinion:
- If you have a trader approach, I think you should buy soon because the market is quite low actually (although it can go lower)
- With a technical approach, it is a bit different: if you are very confident in the project, you can invest now, so that when a product is released, you can make profit. Otherwise, you can wait a working product is released and then invest on the growth potential of the project. The last one is the less risky, and this is a long term investment.
You're free to choose, the market needs winners and loosers anyway.

[Game_Seller]

Bought a few decent project.

[SamRobsondd]

I've been telling people to buy sub here since it went from 30c and it went a bit down