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[Zaih]

Ok. I think I'm number 11, if your Leaderboard only displays the top 10. I got another 0.1 to play with. hehehe.. Will try to make it last longer this time by dividing my starting bet by 10, (or add another zero after the decimal point.)

I think leader board is off total wagered not Prime Points 

[BigBitz]

Another 9 losses out of 10.

I'm beginning to think PrimeDice has it in for me.  

Code:

1 minute ago	50.5	2	0.30000000	Lose	48.33
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.21915206	Lose	44.71
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Win	64.61
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	45.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	23.78
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	5.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	32.74
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	40.24
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	46.72
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	36.38

[hasher87]

Another 9 losses out of 10.

I'm beginning to think PrimeDice has it in for me.  

Code:

1 minute ago	50.5	2	0.30000000	Lose	48.33
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.21915206	Lose	44.71
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Win	64.61
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	45.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	23.78
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	5.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	32.74
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	40.24
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	46.72
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	36.38

this is why i preferred with coinroll due to this reason

prepared server-roll seed = doom

[BigBitz]

Another 9 losses out of 10.

I'm beginning to think PrimeDice has it in for me.  

Code:

1 minute ago	50.5	2	0.30000000	Lose	48.33
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.21915206	Lose	44.71
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Win	64.61
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	45.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	23.78
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	5.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	32.74
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	40.24
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	46.72
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	36.38

this is why i preferred with coinroll due to this reason

prepared server-roll seed = doom

wait, what, PREPARED?

It's PRE_ROLLED?

are you fucking joking me?

I've lost over 10BTC on this site and it's not mentioned anywhere it's pre rolled?!

[Zaih]

Another 9 losses out of 10.

I'm beginning to think PrimeDice has it in for me.  

Code:

1 minute ago	50.5	2	0.30000000	Lose	48.33
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.21915206	Lose	44.71
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Win	64.61
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	45.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	23.78
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	5.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	32.74
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	40.24
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	46.72
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	36.38

this is why i preferred with coinroll due to this reason

prepared server-roll seed = doom

Without being too 'sock puppet' like, I believe that's a pretty unfair assumption. You constantly see people cashing out 1 - 20 Bitcoins and when you look at their previous bets & profit, it's generally substantial. I really really doubt Stunna would be manipulating rolls over 0.1.

You can also change your client seed quite easily, if you look at my previous rolls I change my client seed every time just so I have nothing to b***h about when I lose It takes a few seconds each time. They're also working on making it easier, Idk what's taking so long though tbh.

[Zaih]

Another 9 losses out of 10.

I'm beginning to think PrimeDice has it in for me.  

Code:

1 minute ago	50.5	2	0.30000000	Lose	48.33
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.21915206	Lose	44.71
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Win	64.61
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	45.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	23.78
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	5.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	32.74
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	40.24
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	46.72
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	36.38

this is why i preferred with coinroll due to this reason

prepared server-roll seed = doom

wait, what, PREPARED?

It's PRE_ROLLED?

are you fucking joking me?

I've lost over 10BTC on this site and it's not mentioned anywhere it's pre rolled?!

Bigbitz, what's your PrimeDice name? I wanna see this lol

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Currently, the server knows the result if the user does not change the client seed. As something like 99% of users don't even know you can do that, this game is not provably fair. Not saying that it's cheating, but it's not provably fair.

It would literally take 1 line of code. Not securely random, but random enough as the client seed:

var clientSeed = Math.random();

[Zaih]

Currently, the server knows the result if the user does not change the client seed. As something like 99% of users don't even know you can do that, this game is not provably fair. Not saying that it's cheating, but it's not provably fair.

It would literally take 1 line of code. Not securely random, but random enough as the client seed:

var clientSeed = Math.random();

1 line of code to fix or to cheat?

[BigBitz]

I use different addresses each time so I don't have a list of them all  

I withdraw to my coinlenders.com account so that changes every deposit.

this series of rolls was under:

https://primedice.com/bets.php?user=fcfeb752748cd29521e174ef53147193&limit=200

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

To make it really provably fair.

[BigBitz]

To make it really provably fair.

It seems to me I have a lost a considerable amount of coin to a game which appears to be pre-determined.

 

That's shocking.

I shall not use PrimeDice.com again

[hasher87]

Another 9 losses out of 10.

I'm beginning to think PrimeDice has it in for me.  

Code:

1 minute ago	50.5	2	0.30000000	Lose	48.33
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.21915206	Lose	44.71
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Win	64.61
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	45.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	23.78
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	5.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	32.74
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	40.24
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	46.72
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	36.38

this is why i preferred with coinroll due to this reason

prepared server-roll seed = doom

wait, what, PREPARED?

It's PRE_ROLLED?

are you fucking joking me?

I've lost over 10BTC on this site and it's not mentioned anywhere it's pre rolled?!

i wouldn't say its 'PRE-ROLLED' to be exact, but this is what bugs me a bit

Server seed for next roll:
ee69b2a8d6dec664ee0d1fc7e

I'll stick to coinroll for now. hmac_sha512(secret, lastdeposittxid:nonce) seems more legit

[Zaih]

To make it really provably fair.

But wouldn't the server still know the client seed beforehand? I'd think you would have to allow the user/client to be the one to enter it?

[Zaih]

Another 9 losses out of 10.

I'm beginning to think PrimeDice has it in for me.  

Code:

1 minute ago	50.5	2	0.30000000	Lose	48.33
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.21915206	Lose	44.71
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Win	64.61
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	45.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	23.78
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	5.85
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	32.74
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	40.24
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	46.72
2 minutes ago	50.5	2	0.10000000	Lose	36.38

this is why i preferred with coinroll due to this reason

prepared server-roll seed = doom

wait, what, PREPARED?

It's PRE_ROLLED?

are you fucking joking me?

I've lost over 10BTC on this site and it's not mentioned anywhere it's pre rolled?!

i wouldn't say its 'PRE-ROLLED' to be exact, but this is what bugs me a bit

Server seed for next roll:
ee69b2a8d6dec664ee0d1fc7e

I'll stick to coinroll for now. hmac_sha512(secret, lastdeposittxid:nonce) seems more legit

Correct me if I'm wrong, but coinroll knows the secret, knows the last deposit ID, what's stopping them from assigning a nonce that gives them a win? (Shoot me down if I'm missing a vital concept)

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

To make it really provably fair.

But wouldn't the server still know the client seed beforehand? I'd think you would have to allow the user/client to be the one to enter it?

No.

The seed would be determined by the client using client JS. The server will not know.

This is how SatoshiDICE, Bitzino works. The player supplies a TXID (fun fact: TXIDs are just hashes, and are pretty much random), or the client JS generates a random seed.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

That line won't make it any more "provably" fair than it is now: all seeds can potentially be manipulated internally by the server (or the dice outcome can be totally indipendent from any seed for that matter). You can never know for sure what code is running internally, there's always trust involved to some extent.

Not really. That line will make it provably fair if it's on the client, and you can prove if the roll was not determined using your client seed + server seed. Hence the provable prat.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

That line won't make it any more "provably" fair than it is now: all seeds can potentially be manipulated internally by the server (or the dice outcome can be totally indipendent from any seed for that matter). You can never know for sure what code is running internally, there's always trust involved to some extent.

Not really. That line will make it provably fair if it's on the client, and you can prove if the roll was not determined using your client seed + server seed. Hence the provable prat.

On the client it'll be exploitable by the user (hard to do but the risk is there).

Huh? You can change your client seed now.

The client cannot exploit it, he does not know the server seed (only the hash of it).

See this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161236.0

Provably fair means:

1. Player can directly influence the results, but not know the end result.
2. Casino can directly influence the results, but not know the end result.

3. Player can prove the casino did not influence the result AFTER knowing the end result
4. Casino can prove the player did not influence the result AFTER knowing the end result

Currently, 3 is not true for PrimeDice.com as PrimeDice knows what each roll would be assuming default client seed. Making the default client seed generated by the client (rather than the server) would make it provably fair.

[BigBitz]

So how does "PrimeDice" make itself able to use "Provably Fair"

this isn't sour grapes btw. I've lost 10BTC+ as this thread knows  

[Zaih]

I still think the easiest way to do this would to be simply allowing the user to choose a client seed AFTER being assigned a server seed. That also allows simple minds (Like myself heh) the ability to easily understand & comprehend the concept. The whole JS assigning a client seed transcends me lol

[BigBitz]

Quite Frankly had I have known that I would not have bet on PrimeDice.

I would have just stuck to coinroll.it